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couchmaster
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 18, 2016 - 06:36pm PT
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OK. I was in school with a bunch of Muslim guys and still have a few as neighbors. Seemed like good folks. I mean real good people. Is this like the Germans and the Japanese? That is, good folks until you get a bunch of them together? How the hell can folks hate on Radiohead? Damned good thing the fans weren't gay or some such. The news: Link: http://www.yahoo.com/news/islamists-attack-radiohead-fans-turkey-091839421.html?nhp=1
"Istanbul (AFP) - British rock group Radiohead on Saturday condemned "violent intolerance" after Islamists brutally attacked customers at an Istanbul record store attending an album release party, angered that the event coincided with Ramadan. A group of about 20 men accosted and beat up customers and employees at the Velvet IndieGround music store in the city's hip Tophane district on Friday night for drinking alcohol while listening to music during the Muslim holy month. They trashed the store, hurled insults and broke up the release party of the album "A Moon Shaped Pool"."...blah blah...
Please don't tell them that Metallica wants residuals for their songs and wants the police to fine you if you download their stuff for free for Christs sake. They'll be on a 2 month rampage. Where's Fattrad, I think that we may have a Clash of Culture instance here. There may be more examples a well other folks can post up......I heard that Iran finally allowed Queen music to be played there. 15 years after Freddie Mercury's death. Bold, and progress too....but they still hang all male homosexuals if and when they catch them. I wonder what would have happened if Queen had played a concert there and while they were in the middle of "I want to Break Free" someone whispered to the head Ayatollah as the band played "Hey, did you know that singer is homo"....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 18, 2016 - 06:40pm PT
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Couch, that's one of the reasons Turkey will not be admitted to the EU -
the government encourages that sh!t.
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:02pm PT
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Your knowledge of homosexuality in Iran is lacking. You have a point, but its based on uninformed heresay which over-simplifies and under-mines it.
But i agree in general. The persecution of sexuality anywhere is a crime against nature.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:20pm PT
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Well, this is a good conversation. Actually used to climb with a Muslim a bit ago, but we parted ways for secular reasons. I guess. Long story. Had almost nothing to do with me.
Anyway, very prescient topic. Muslims need to sack up. "good Muslims" need to be as vocal as possible in this regard. I understand that not everybody is willing to stnd up and declare,"I'm a good Muslim", or whatever.
But I need to hear Muslims LEADERS AND PRACTIONIONERS make no bones about the fact that they despise these people amongst them. They need to turn them in.
Again, pretty difficult.
The FBI has been neutered with respect to actually targeting a legit Muslim target, or lead. They had to tread different waters when dealing with a certain religion.
THIS IS THE F*#KING PROBLEM!!! None other.
You cannot quell an enemy if it is not defined. We are at WAR with radical Islamists whether YOU OR THE PRESIDENT LIKE IT! THEY WILL KILL YOU IF THEY CAN.
These are FACTS. Radical Islamists have declared war on the West. They will never kill us all, but they;ll kill as many as they can as long as they're still breathing.
They have done this before, and are following the same path/doctrine. It's you or them. They will not stop until they're confronted. It won't be knights on horseback this time. It will be .223 rounds in the face and, appropriately named, Hellfire missiles on yer convoy.
Everybody hates Muslims. Except for the good ones.
Let's hope we don't come this, but we're pretty close.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:35pm PT
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Is this like the Germans and the Japanese? That is, good folks until you get a bunch of them together?
Oh, you think that Germany and Japan are at this point filled with BAD folks, because there are a lot of Germans and Japanese?
I don't see a lot of violence in America during Octoberfest, or during the Cherry Blossom Festival.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:39pm PT
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Everybody hates Muslims. Except for the good ones.
Yep, keep writing this sort of thing. You will be the poster child for ISIS.
Islamic Terrorists are to Islam,
as the KKK or Westboro is to Christianity.
Haven't seen you disavowing yourself of your Westboro Christian brothers, so we know that you approve of their actions, right?
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
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Start by replacing the word 'muslim' with 'religious' everytime its used and you start to see the 'war' has been on for sometime and that the side of reason is loosing, by the simple metrc that in the US religion is gaining more influence.
Japans a good example. They were a lunatic violent lot with fundamentalist religion at the core of their national ideology. After excising all of it and allowing religion no higher status than private practice they calmed down, invested in capitalist democracy and turned on to fetish, sexuality and fun.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:45pm PT
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and became really fat thanks to western cuisine.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
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Haven't seen you disavowing yourself of your Westboro Christian brothers, so we know that you approve of their actions, right?
Every time I see one of those losers I tell them to f*#k off. They are worthless brainwashed beings.
When I see I see them trying to do violence, I'll be the first one there to fire back.
But they have been marginalized, they way they should be.
Nice to try to tie Killer Christians into the discussion though. Maybe try the McVeigh route next?
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Jun 18, 2016 - 08:04pm PT
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The japanese became really fat? Really?
Tornado; i recommend researching korean girl bands. I think you will be grateful for the data. I know i am.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 18, 2016 - 08:05pm PT
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The point is that you don't take ownership for the exact thing that you demand of others.
I'm sure that you don't monitor the sites where Moslem leaders post their repugnance of the terrorists, but you don't post about your repugnance for Westboro, and their CELEBRATION of violence against US Service people.
You want us to draw conclusions about them, but not about you, for exactly the same supposed actions.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 18, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
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I'm sure that you don't monitor the sites where Moslem leaders post their repugnance of the terrorists, but you don't post about your repugnance for Westboro, and their CELEBRATION of violence against US Service people.
You want us to draw conclusions about them, but not about you, for exactly the same supposed actions.
Because I'm a super-paranoid right-winger, I really don't trust or like most people. I judge everybody the same.
BUT
I would obviously have to profile Muslims at a different level though, right? That would be common sense.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jun 18, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
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Arguably the largest mass killing in very recent times was the Rwanda Genocide, where nearly a million people were shot, beaten, stabbed and hacked to death, in a period of around three months. At that time, very few of the perpetrators were Muslim, the vast majority were Protestant Christians.
One lesson to be learned is that regardless of religious affiliation, a certain percentage of people are capable of this sort of violence, if provoked.
Robert Pape, who made the largest most comprehensive study of suicide bombers, found that the group with the largest number were the Marxist Tamil rebels of Sri Lanka. He also found that among all suicide bombers, their motivation and feelings were primarily political, regardless of religious association.
If you look at the Orlando bomber, you find that he was deeply disturbed and prone to violence. He expressed anger at the Americans for killing innocent people in Afghanistan. But it does not appear to me that he was motivated by reading the Koran and acting in accord with it.
Donald Trump claims that Muslims will not turn in fellow Muslims, but a high FBI official has contradicted this, saying that they have gotten many valuable tips from Muslims, and consider the non-violent portion of the Muslim community to be a valuable ally in their efforts to prevent attacks.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 18, 2016 - 08:57pm PT
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aspen, good point.
The problem most people have is that our current perp d'jour of genocide and indescimanite killing all have the Muslim faith as their Most Common Denominator (MCD). I just made that up.
But it is a fact of reality.
So, if you're going to profile for future events, you would have that in your bag of tricks as an investigator (unless you're FBI, then you can't mention Muslim ). Start with Muslims, the MCD.
This is where the phrase 'radical Islamist' came from. It was so we could separate our Muslim friends from our Muslim enemies.
It is actually a term of solidarity, if you really consider it.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 18, 2016 - 09:04pm PT
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He also found that among all suicide bombers, their motivation and feelings were primarily political, regardless of religious association.
everyone should read this a couple times.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 18, 2016 - 09:17pm PT
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He also found that among all suicide bombers, their motivation and feelings were primarily political, regardless of religious association.
everyone should read this a couple times.
Yes, exactly. Radical Islam uses religion, as much as it has to do with political ideology. They twist it into a political ideology.
It;s a cult really. Radical Islam.
EDIT: You can be a fanatic even if you don't believe in god(s).
Yep. But you still always look for commonality in a series of events. What made them happen?
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Jun 18, 2016 - 11:07pm PT
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I actually dont think this was about Radiohead at all. It was about drinking booze during ramadan.
I do think radiohead has leveraged it for some handy promotion tho, yknow, now that their best stuff seems behind them and they spiral into mediocrity. Gotta keep the uni students feeling smugly radical somehow eh.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 18, 2016 - 11:31pm PT
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^^^ HaHaHAhahaha good one.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 21, 2016 - 12:36am PT
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It just makes it so much easier when racists publicly declare themselves and self-identify. No wondering if it was just a momentary lapse or deciding if they were just being insensitive - nope, clearly a bigot and racist. Now if the other 59.999% of the republican party could be similarly honest we could just get on with it with everything at least honest and above board. Ignorance never sleeps, especially bigotry for god - and that's different than ISIS how?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 21, 2016 - 12:49am PT
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^^^go back to sleep. your not winning any votes here.
edit; and nobody's buying.
edit, edit; why aren't you at COR?
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couchmaster
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 21, 2016 - 06:28am PT
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The failure of Americans to understand Islam is, I feel, due their belief that everyone thinks as they do. They don't. Muslims want their laws to be Gods laws as interpreted by theologians like Ayatollah Khomeini, not a written law like the US constitution. That's why generally, it's a terribly stupid idea to invite Muslims from the middle into our country to be citizens. Their loyalty will be different than ours. Always. Not talking "ALL", talking "many" Muslims.
Perhaps the preeminent mideast scholar in the world, Bernard Lewis, came up with the phrase, "Clash of Civilizations" popularized by Fattrad here on ST before he was axed. (which Lewis later modified to be less harsh sounding).
If anyone wants a good read about Islam, start here: http://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2016/06/the-return-of-bernard-lewis/
"...in 1954, he declared democracy to be “the most difficult form of government to operate, requiring certain qualities of mind and habit, of institution and tradition, perhaps even of climate, for its effective working.” The Muslims had none of these—in most cases, not even the climate"...
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HighDesertDJ
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Jul 21, 2016 - 06:32am PT
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bluering posted The FBI has been neutered with respect to actually targeting a legit Muslim target, or lead. They had to tread different waters when dealing with a certain religion.
Citation needed. You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
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kattz
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Jul 21, 2016 - 06:35am PT
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Good folks...
until they think you violated some medieval principle of their religion.
Then you find out what they really are.
(speaking from experience)
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 07:05am PT
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Oh? Were you beheaded? That might make some sense. Care to explain how Islam is a standout religion in the way you describe?
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 07:10am PT
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you people
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 21, 2016 - 07:32am PT
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More twerking videos!
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jul 21, 2016 - 08:11am PT
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Christians want their laws to be Gods laws as interpreted by theologians like the Pope, not a written law like the US constitution. There.
Fixed that for ya.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jul 21, 2016 - 08:16am PT
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Muslims need to sack up. "good Muslims" need to be as vocal as possible in this regard.
Oh stop.
So because some nutcase who commits an atrocity claims to believe in "Book of Fables B" you expect the other billion plus readers of "Book of Fables B" to verbally take time out of their day to denounce the nutcase?
Why?
If the problem were "Book of Fables B", read by billions, the entire world would be on fire.
Focus on those who use these differing beliefs to create violence for their agendas.
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John M
climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 08:57am PT
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http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2640306/The-Harleys-of-Summer
maybe if we combined threads we could start to understand that its not.. religion, or Germans, Italians and Japanese, or white people versus black people.
especially this post by Buddhastalin..
Come on up to Reno during street vibrations and have a sample. Next biggest gathering of this crap outside of sturgis. Always a mess, always a majority of them arrogant, unruly, with complete disregard for the city that welcomes their stupid asses. Always biker gang violence that does not get media coverage, (street vibrations brings a lot of money to town you know), violent crimes of all sorts for that matter.
Ive been harassed, chased, spat at by these pieces of sh#t for merely being on the road at the same time as them, and then working in the trauma unit, had to help keep them alive after their shenanigans landed them at the level 2 trauma center.
And I cant put an aftermarket exhaust that is the same dB level as stock on my subaru.....
Ive taken care of the po bobs, the mongols, the vagos, hell angels, branded, all of em....becuase i had to by law.
Even worse are the 'everyday people' that ride that get all outlaw when the gathering is on, they really get a surge of rebel and go all apey.
Its people.
Everything that the above list has in common is people. People have a streak of meanness, selfishness, ignorance, hatefulness that has to be overcome.
The main way we do that is one person at a time. Everyone has to learn to take responsibility for their own inner pissant.
People on this forum got all agro and aggressive because I said I might not vote and that I didn't like Hillary.
Shades of the inner pissant. ( Perhaps I should write a book with that title.. haha )
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 21, 2016 - 09:05am PT
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But, John...if there is no "them" I have no one to blame and have to take responsibility for things.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 22, 2016 - 10:08am PT
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Pssst, Bluering....the FBI is a part of the DOJ (not separate entities). Also, FBI agents can utter the word Muslim. I assure you that is the case.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 22, 2016 - 10:11am PT
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Well, we just killed 21 civilians in Syria with an airstrike. At least it gives Muslim haters something to cheer about. Those little kids would've just grown up to be suicide bombers anyway...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jul 22, 2016 - 10:23am PT
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Well, we just killed 21 civilians in Syria with an airstrike. At least it gives Muslim haters something to cheer about. Those little kids would've just grown up to be suicide bombers anyway...
Funny how the regime never wants to talk about "bomb violence".
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 22, 2016 - 10:54am PT
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Wow, FBI agents will never be able to figure out anything about Sharia or jihad now cuz it's not in their training materials.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 11:09am PT
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Wow, FBI agents will never be able to figure out anything about Sharia or jihad now cuz it's not in their training materials.
The FBI is probably the last bastion of real LEO. If that gets corrupted, we're f*#ked.
I have no doubt that there are many more good people there under Comey. But he is fighting uphill battles in getting what he wants done.
All I'm saying is that there are forces within our government who are being told to tread very lightly when it comes to obvious suspects.
And their statements regarding investigations have to meet certain protocols for 'sensitivity'. "Lone gunman" instead of radicalized terrorist seems to be getting more common.
Could be a Buddhist monk self-immoliating for Tibeten rights at that gay nightclub in Orlando Florida. SOmetimes Buddhists have been known to speak in tongues and shout "Allahu Akbar" in Pashtun before BBQ-ing themselves publicly.
Could be Norwegian Catholic nuns too. They are real militant.
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zBrown
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Jul 22, 2016 - 11:24am PT
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Let me break it down for ya.
Don't smoke 'em even if ya got 'em.
-Al Capone (soft on the 'e')
I went to school with some Persians (the preferred brand name) and had a couple work for me.
We never discussed religion.
Close-out set and game. You can book it Danno and mark this one closed.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 11:32am PT
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I wonder if German police are suspecting radical right-wing Neo-Nazis for the Munich killings happening right now?
I'm sure they are.
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Lurkingtard
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Jul 22, 2016 - 12:13pm PT
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I used to think Blueplug was an as#@&%e but now I realize he's just special.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 12:34pm PT
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I used to think Blueplug was an as#@&%e but now I realize he's just special.
One thing I've noticed after I quit drinking is that even more people are dissuaded from my personality-type. The real me.
Not fun, angrier, more intense, expect people to do everything correctly. Little tolerance for bullsh#t.
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Coach37
Social climber
Philly
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Jul 22, 2016 - 01:11pm PT
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Not fun, angrier, more intense, expect people to do everything correctly. Little tolerance for bullsh#t.
Sounds like all the qualities of a great parent.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 01:25pm PT
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Sounds like all the qualities of a great parent.
Explain, I'm not sure what you mean?
You too, Locker. Stop with the f*#king bullshit and say what you mean!
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 01:51pm PT
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"One thing I've noticed after I quit drinking is that even more people are dissuaded from my personality-type. The real me."
Do you think it's possible you are just more aware of their reactions because you are not numb to it anymore? Able to feel things? Able to observe better?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 02:08pm PT
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Do you think it's possible you are just more aware of their reactions because you are not numb to it anymore? Able to feel things? Able to observe better?
I've considered that. And the opposite. That I used to drink a lot because I was not allowed to express certain things I observed.
Most people don't have the attention span to sit and listen to me. More importantly, most people fail to think critically and logically. That's why all my discusion with a-holes degenerate. They twist my words and don't follow the logic of what I'm trying to illustrate.
+Before you judge the prior statement, go back and look at how things degenerate. I've been there, but some may not realize how I get attacked. Maybe correctly.+
Better to just call someone a racist. A homophobe. Whatever. Dismiss them. I understand the tactic. It works with mindless people.
I'm merely trying to wake people up. Stop all your talk about free speech, unless you can really handle it!
I'm the right-keel on this ship of liberty. I'm only here to keep things balanced. I also need the left-keel. Together, it keeps us in the correct direction.
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Lurkingtard
climber
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Jul 22, 2016 - 02:38pm PT
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Like I said Special.
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Coach37
Social climber
Philly
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Jul 22, 2016 - 02:39pm PT
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Explain, I'm not sure what you mean?
Naw, that's ok. You know what I mean.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 02:45pm PT
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Naw, that's ok. You know what I mean.
This s where I have a problem with as#@&%e like you. Say it!
Why can't you say that my child MUST BE defective or living in misery because he was raised by me?
Is that not what you meant? Then f*#king explain yourself. Because you made a statement that was vague, and could be perceived as controversial. By me.
You little f*#kers like to nit-pik, but never stand by the fire.
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Lurkingtard
climber
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Jul 22, 2016 - 02:52pm PT
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I think he was saying you're an as#@&%e? But I disagree yer just a dumbass.
Carry on.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jul 22, 2016 - 02:58pm PT
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I think what they're trying to say is that being angry, humorless, intense and intolerable of anything that isn't done to your standards of perfection is a miserable way to raise a child? That's this little f*#kers take on it, anyways.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 02:59pm PT
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I think he was saying you're an as#@&%e? But I disagree yer just a dumbass.
Carry on.
Was somebody talking to you, or are you a by-stander? Would you like to add anything constructive to the ongoing argument, or rather make my point that people like you can only BITCH and not handle the criticism back?
Let's wait and see.....
EDIT: I think what they're trying to say is that being angry, humorless, intense and intolerable of anything that isn't done to your standards of perfection is a miserable way to raise a child? That's this little f*#kers take on it, anyways.
It's funny how the welfare of my children always come into dispute with militant liberals. Where are they for the welfare of small black children in Chicago? Detroit?
I'm a bad parent? Really?
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Coach37
Social climber
Philly
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Jul 22, 2016 - 02:59pm PT
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What is it you want me to say guy?
That a negative, perpetually complaining victim, a rage-filled overly demanding perfectionist, is likely to make a GOOD parent? WTF?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 03:09pm PT
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That a negative, perpetually complaining victim, a rage-filled overly demanding perfectionist, is likely to make a GOOD parent? WTF?
In this current world, is that not realistic?
Please no longer discus my son. This will get ugly. I do not indoctrinate him. But I do tell him what is right and wrong. It involves only the 'old' truths. Don't lie, kill, be a good boy.
I try to keep him away from the BS..
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 03:18pm PT
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Nothing will get a person more upset than attacking their parental skills. It's just wrong. I would never do that and other people should not imply it. Disagreement and debate on other issues is fine. I'm sure we will continue to disagree on many topics.... ;-)
I suggest that you just ignore them Blue. It's a no win situation.
I'm not sure if locker is trying to be Yoda or Werner with this one.
"Look inward for the answers that continue to elude you..."
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Jul 22, 2016 - 03:21pm PT
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I've learned some stuff on this thread, including the fact that some commentators can judge a person's fitness to be a parent based on political beliefs and posts to a forum.
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Coach37
Social climber
Philly
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Jul 22, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
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Please no longer discus my son.
I have not said a word about your child, ever. I spoke specifically about you, the parent.
This will get ugly.
Well then. I guess you told me. Keep raging on, good fellow.
some commentators can judge a person's fitness to be a parent based on political beliefs and posts to a forum.
Interesting, Larry. And how did you get "political beliefs and posts" into the equation? In my initial post, what I reacted to and quoted, was this Bluering guy DESCRIBING HIS OWN PERSONALITY. Is that clear Larry? Make sense to you? Or are you as slow as the chap you're white knighting for? Reading comprehension is a beautiful thing Lar.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jul 22, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
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Bluering, I was merely clarifying what wasn't perhaps obvious in the statements made. I don't know you, or how you parent. You stated you are angry, have no tolerance for imperfection, and aren't any fun since obtaining sobriety. Those are words you wrote...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 22, 2016 - 03:29pm PT
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and aren't any fun since obtaining sobriety. Those are words you wrote...
I can tell you are either an as#@&%e or a lawyer. F*#k you. YOu have no concept of me or my life.
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Coach37
Social climber
Philly
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Jul 22, 2016 - 03:36pm PT
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Jim Brennan, I read english, not minds.
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Coach37
Social climber
Philly
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Jul 22, 2016 - 03:42pm PT
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Dammit, they infiltrated WERNER!
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jul 22, 2016 - 03:55pm PT
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Awww, bluering told me to f*#k off. Should I be hurt? Do you spend the majority of your days telling people to f*#k off because they don't understand your oppression or your righteous anger? Life must be tough,huh?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 22, 2016 - 04:09pm PT
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bluering posted Not fun, angrier, more intense, expect people to do everything correctly. Little tolerance for bullsh#t.
Trump's entire candidacy is based on bullshitting. He knows almost nothing. You have loved every second of it since the birther movement.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jul 22, 2016 - 04:52pm PT
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Trump's entire candidacy is based on bullshitting.
True dat!
But don't single him out for special condemnation. Hillary's entire political career has also been based on bullshitting.
What we have before us today are two candidates that have spent their lives as bullshitters. Voting for either one means that you're eating sh#t and calling it the very smoothie you actually really wanted.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jul 22, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jul 22, 2016 - 06:59pm PT
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Happy Friday, Richard !
LOL
You as well, Jim.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jul 22, 2016 - 07:08pm PT
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Drinking a Dirty Bastard you bastard...Nice one Locker...!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 22, 2016 - 07:53pm PT
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Angry and intolerant don't make a good sober future Blue. Some of the stuff they tried to teach me in AA.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 22, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
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Suckit, or at least lick it
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