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ClimbingRanger
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 16, 2016 - 11:40am PT
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All,
We have official notice that a few climbing areas will be closed over the weekend. Please see below for area closures for Thursday evening (6/16, tonight) through Sunday afternoon (6/19). There will also be other areas closed Friday evening through Saturday evening. We will keep you updated on the official word for the Friday/Saturday closures.
"All climbing routes from and including Church Bowl east to Washington Column (Washington Column itself remains open) will be closed from Thursday sunset through Sunday afternoon. This includes Bishops Terrace, Royal Arches, Serenity Crack, Son’s of Yesterday."
Thank you for your cooperation in these temporary closures.
Here is a link to the park webpage on the closures as well.
http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/climbingclosures.htm
Closures and other climbing information can also be found at:
http://www.climbingyosemite.com/portfolio/advisory-temporary-climbing-closure/
Yosemite Climbing Management
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Climberdude
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 11:43am PT
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Obama must be a hardcore climber if he is going to do all of those routes in that time. Well, not so hardcore since the Column is still open.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 11:59am PT
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Thanks for the update. I now have an excuse not to do any of those climbs this weekend!
John
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Climberdude
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 12:16pm PT
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Where do I sign up to have routes closed so I do not have any competition for the routes I want to do?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
Boise, ID or the fricken Bakken, variously
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Jun 16, 2016 - 12:19pm PT
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Word.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 12:28pm PT
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I hope they have thermal sensors to keep scanning the cliffs while he is at the Ahwahnee.
I doubt they'll have secret service sweeping every route with line of site in that area. Someone could already be up there on a bivy, all coated up in wet mud, just waiting. What about up at the walk-off forest for Royal Arches area? Top of Arches Terrace area? Before the pendulum on Royal Arches? Up in the gully past Serenity/Sons for the finish of Ahwahnee Buttress?
So many places to hide, tough to get close enough to check them all. Security nightmare. Maybe drones to the rescue?
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Marcus McCoy from somewhere over the rainbow...
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Jun 16, 2016 - 12:31pm PT
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Interesting...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 16, 2016 - 12:38pm PT
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Secret Service is pretty diligent, they will be scanning the cliffs. Maybe someone could rap in? I knew a cop who was assigned to SWAT in San Diego. When Bush came to town the cop was assigned to a position on top of a building. He decided he wanted to get a better look at the prez so he used his rifle scope. Secret Service pounced and arrested him pretty quickly. he got booted from SWAT.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 16, 2016 - 12:49pm PT
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Countdown to ranting Republican response about how shameful it is that Obama is visiting the Valley and obstructing access to real American access to our Parks....
10...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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Jun 16, 2016 - 12:50pm PT
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It seems likely that all NPS employees, and YOSAR, are involved in security measures for the Obamas' visit, many of which we'll never know about. But it wouldn't be a surprise if that included inspecting if not securing nearby climbing routes.
I just want to know when Werner and the Obamas will be going for their hike or even climb.
And yes, apogee is correct. Finally - it only took seven + years - Obama has actually done something that the right-wingers can legitimately "blame" him for, something that in a minor way even affects climbers. (Although it may also benefit parks, and so climbers.) And not a word from espotato, klimmer, and gang.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Jun 16, 2016 - 12:54pm PT
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I'd like to climb with him. He's got good reach.
But never cool to hog lines.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 16, 2016 - 12:56pm PT
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Obama's cragging day in the Ditch.
That would be the coolest goddamn thing that I ever saw in politics.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 01:04pm PT
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Question for ClimbingRanger:
What traffic can I expect in the Yosemite loop Saturday and Sunday due to President visit?
Any suggestions of specific time of the day that better not to drive on the loop at all?
Any places which is OPEN but you can suggest Not to go this weekend due to expected long time waiting in closed roads?
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jun 16, 2016 - 01:10pm PT
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So who is guiding? A 3 day closure is not for bird nesting protection.
Will the loop road be closed as well?
Obama typically travels with a 21 vehicle entourage when he comes to LA and all roads/freeways on his route are closed.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Jun 16, 2016 - 02:10pm PT
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"So far this calendar year, visitation to the park has increased by over 20% from 2015’s record visitation. Both last year and so far this spring, the park has seen traffic congestion, delays of up to two hours and full parking lots on weekends and holidays."
Wow! Reasons? More rain and snow pack so the falls are better perhaps? Maybe 100th Birthday events and publicity?
It's time. Remove all private vehicles from valley central.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 16, 2016 - 05:18pm PT
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The President has scheduled a few burns on the lightning. Allez!
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cleo
Social climber
wherever you go, there you are
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Jun 16, 2016 - 10:36pm PT
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I was wondering how the Secret Service would deal with the massive walls and gullys that are hard to secure..
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 16, 2016 - 10:45pm PT
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Sons of Kenya
Sounds like a great band...
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 16, 2016 - 11:45pm PT
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hope he remembers to bring a poop tube.
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Jun 17, 2016 - 04:44am PT
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It's time. Remove all private vehicles from valley central.
Man i hope I live to see that. Hated the concept when they started in Zion, but now I wish it were a year round thing. Looks like Arches will be next, but I'd think they'll have to do something like this in the ditch eventually.
Enjoy Mr President! If you're wondering, Bears Ears would be a fantastic Birthday/Father's day gift for this desert rat.
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Rattlesnake Arch
Social climber
Home is where we park it
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Jun 17, 2016 - 11:55am PT
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It looks like Five Open Books and Yosemite Falls Area will be included in the closure as well. I just came down from Commitment and they were posting signs.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 17, 2016 - 12:05pm PT
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Werner is conspicuous by his absence here. You know he's holding.
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Rattlesnake Arch
Social climber
Home is where we park it
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Jun 17, 2016 - 12:09pm PT
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Park employees have been advised to keep quiet.
The good news is that there is now a temporary Verizon 4G LTE tower in Half Dome Village. Yosemite is really connected at the moment. You cant climb, but you sure can stream video...
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chill
climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
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Jun 18, 2016 - 08:19am PT
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Thanks Obama.
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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Jun 18, 2016 - 04:08pm PT
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What a crock. I assume the "Majestic" is closed as well so he and his entourage will be safe and well kept at taxpayer expense? Bad news for bear 46.
I cannot believe my eyes. Did you just make an assumption and then get mad and make accusations based on your very own wild imagination?
I just called the hotel to confirm. It's not closed to guests who are staying or arriving. Yesterday, I rode around the loop on my bike in the afternoon. Was surprised how light the traffic was and how business as usual it was, esp when I was later told that President Obama was already in the park!
Today, I watched from El Cap for a few hours and did not detect anything unusual for a Saturday. And my drive out of the park around 3pm was all smooth sailing.
I was told that when he gave a speech under Yosemite Falls this morning, the traffic in the vicinity was indeed demobilized temporarily. But come on, this is the much respected (source) president of your beautiful, prosperous, and welcoming nation we are talking about. The necessary security and safety is very much common sense, and a little inconvenience is nothing but expected. What's to cry about?
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Jun 18, 2016 - 05:17pm PT
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If I had known he was going to give public speech today I would have stayed last night!
I'm with Mei! Great that he is visiting the park.
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Patrice Ayme
Social climber
Earth
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Jun 19, 2016 - 12:53pm PT
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I love the way Americans take orders, thus showing they are not worthy to lead the world, civilizationally speaking, as they effectively do. This sort of self-humiliation would NEVER work in France. Instead little American sheep take unconstitutional orders with alacrity, pride and total obedience. They should be ashamed of themselves, instead, and the rest of the world should be afraid. Very afraid. Indeed, who is this Obama? An employee of We The People! Wake up, People, instead of just goose stepping proudly in the sunset of the dignity of the human spirit. The meaning and appeal of real climbing is freedom. Taking orders, the exact opposite.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jun 19, 2016 - 01:09pm PT
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I cannot believe my eyes. Did you just make an assumption and then get mad and make accusations based on your very own wild imagination?
I just called the hotel to confirm. It's not closed to guests who are staying or arriving. Yesterday, I rode around the loop on my bike in the afternoon. Was surprised how light the traffic was and how business as usual it was, esp when I was later told that President Obama was already in the park!
Yes it was an assumption. Was he staying in the park or getting choppered out every evening?
How light traffic was? Go figure that one.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Jun 19, 2016 - 01:24pm PT
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I love the way Americans take orders, thus showing they are not worthy to lead the world, civilizationally speaking, as they effectively do. This sort of self-humiliation would NEVER work in France. Instead little American sheep take unconstitutional orders with alacrity, pride and total obedience. They should be ashamed of themselves, instead, and the rest of the world should be afraid. Very afraid. Indeed, who is this Obama? An employee of We The People! Wake up, People, instead of just goose stepping proudly in the sunset of the dignity of the human spirit. The meaning and appeal of real climbing is freedom. Taking orders, the exact opposite. This HAS to be a troll. I mean really, France? The country that invented the white flag of rolling over and taking it. Btw, there is nothing unconstitutional about the park service determining what we can do inside the park. It is well within their authority.
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c wilmot
climber
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Jun 19, 2016 - 01:28pm PT
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what the park service is supposed to do and what they actually do are two different things.
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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Jun 19, 2016 - 01:44pm PT
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Don't mean to go back and forth with you, johntp, but at least, you are not a laughable troll.
Yes it was an assumption. Was he staying in the park or getting choppered out every evening?
What difference does it make if neither would please you anyway?
How light traffic was? Go figure that one.
Were/Are you in the Valley? I don't need to figure it out; I was there. It was light when I rode and drove around (early mornings and then afternoons). That said, I'm pretty sure there were times and spots that traffic was heavy. A couple of weekends ago, it took someone I know TWO HOURS to get around the loop. Sure, blame it on Obama.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 19, 2016 - 02:21pm PT
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I gotcha Patrice, just like the French and the Nazis right?
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Jun 19, 2016 - 02:26pm PT
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Park "Service"
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jun 19, 2016 - 02:39pm PT
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Don't mean to go back and forth with you, johntp, but at least, you are not a laughable troll.
Cheers Mei. No, I am not a troll. Laughable? Depends who you ask.
To clarify, no I was not in the valley, so am just sup-positioning based on what What I've seen here in SoCal. Every time he comes to SoCal for fund raising it is a huge inconvenience for commuters. Many just take the day off rather than deal with the additional congestion.
I hate all politicians equally. Hell, I'd rather see another 4 years of Obama than Hillary or Trump (not likely).
I don't hold Obama in a state of reverence. He is just another guy trying to do his job while sucking at the taxpayers teat.
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Osprey
climber
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Jun 19, 2016 - 02:50pm PT
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Osprey
climber
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Jun 19, 2016 - 03:11pm PT
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chill
climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
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Jun 19, 2016 - 03:30pm PT
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I love the way Americans take orders, thus showing they are not worthy to lead the world...
Ha. Well played "Patrice".
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jun 19, 2016 - 03:36pm PT
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You made the right choice by moving to France there Pudrice, France, the first to flight
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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Jun 19, 2016 - 09:22pm PT
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So is it true, as reported in National Geographic, that the Obamas went rock climbing near Camp 4? Enquiring minds demand to know!
As for gumby's remarks about France, well, if it hadn't been for France, the USA wouldn't exist. Twice. Plus they sent you a very nice statue.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 19, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
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Hey, did he really strut his cojones and eat at the cafeteria or did he
wuss out at the Ahwhanee?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jun 19, 2016 - 10:14pm PT
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Walked past about thirty black SUVs and a handful of Boy Scouts looking like they were straight out of an Eddie baur catalog armed with earpieces after getting off the NDG.
Took all of me not to crack jokes. My partner was thankful.
Please never bring that infrastructure to our parks again. The impact is shitty and so is the circus surrounding it. Just kidding. But seriously. Don't do that sh#t.
Also if you spent hours in Yosemite waiting to catch a glimpse of another human being, one no more important than any of us, you are not #local.
Hero worship irks me.
Edit - voted for the guy and like him
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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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Jun 19, 2016 - 10:54pm PT
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Hero worship irks me.
except for speedo wearing man-huggers?
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 19, 2016 - 11:14pm PT
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Walleye
climber
The Hot Kiss On the End of a Wet Fist
Jun 19, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
The First Lady and the 2 daughters got basic rock instruction for 2 hrs at the Swan slab area.
It just gets better. TFPU Walleye
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 19, 2016 - 11:55pm PT
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"The First Lady and the 2 daughters got basic rock instruction for 2 hrs at the Swan slab area."
Did not happen without pics.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jun 20, 2016 - 04:06am PT
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i'm feeling all uncharacteristically represented and stuff
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john hansen
climber
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Jun 20, 2016 - 10:26am PT
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I wonder which trail they took down?
Four mile ,,or Panorama?
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:21am PT
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Hey Walter.....Hey..(-;
Who was the climbing guide for Michele Obama and her daughters?
and.. who has photos..?
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 11:42am PT
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I think the traffic was light because of all the news stations said its best to stay away because traffic and logistics were going to be a nightmare. Can't imagine being in the secret service and having to secure a place like the valley, totally understandable to close parts down. I mean, we close huge areas for a bird that's not even threatened anymore.
It looked like everyone went to Sequoia, there was a line at the entrance and it was nuts up there this weekend!
Not an Obama supporter but I like any time a president visits and supports public lands, we have at least that in common. Bonus points for the first family doing some climbing!
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Patrice Ayme
Social climber
Earth
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Jun 20, 2016 - 02:27pm PT
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Reminder to the hateful know-nothings: the French Republic declared war TO Hitler. Instead the USA collaborated WITH Hitler. Actually many US corporations kept on collaborating with Hitler throughout the Second World War.
Prescott Bush made a fortune from that collaboration. However, he had to resign from his position as head of Hitler's most important defense company in August 1942. To prevent prosecution for his management of American-Silesian after Hitler had declared war TO the USA on December 11,1941, Prescott was nominated US Senator. Anyway I am happy to see there are so many Bush lovers on this site.
Every extermination camp had at least one IBM computer, often more, and they were directly manged from New York (the special paper cards got jammed all the time).
Hitler was little more than a US plant, planted by hyper racist Judeophobic plutocrat Henry Ford as early as 1920, then further watered by Wall Street, and the who is who of US plutocratic corporations. To see that, nearly a century later, people don't get it, is always a pleasure.
Ah, another point: Ancient Regime France created the US (which did not pay one cent of the 5 trillion dollars war France conducted against Great Britain to keep the US independent).
Vichy was an unconstitutional coup, after the Nazis had overrun more than half of France. Vichy was recognized immediately as the legitimate government of France by Roosevelt, who sent there as ambassador his right hand man, Admiral William Leahy. That did not make Vichy legitimate.
Naturally, President F D Roosevelt had betrayed completely the French Republic, which courageously fought Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, the Soviet Union, and the horde of hellish American plutocrats, all at the same time.... I am happy to report that the latter, with their obnoxious little servants are still active and thriving...
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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Jun 20, 2016 - 02:30pm PT
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where's my popcorn? this is getting spicy!
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jun 20, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
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Reminder to the hateful know-nothings
you get back what you put out
I love the way Americans take orders, thus showing they are not worthy to lead the world, civilizationally speaking, as they effectively do. This sort of self-humiliation would NEVER work in France. Instead little American sheep take unconstitutional orders with alacrity, pride and total obedience. They should be ashamed of themselves, instead, and the rest of the world should be afraid. Very afraid. Indeed, who is this Obama? An employee of We The People! Wake up, People, instead of just goose stepping proudly in the sunset of the dignity of the human spirit. The meaning and appeal of real climbing is freedom. Taking orders, the exact opposite.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 04:24pm PT
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Reminder to the hateful know-nothings:
.........
Naturally, President F D Roosevelt had betrayed completely the French Republic, which courageously fought Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, the Soviet Union, and the horde of hellish American plutocrats, all at the same time....
French Republic fought Soviet Union ? really during President F D Roosevelt rein?
check the facts before say the other know-nothings
and all what you wrote sound like propaganda from "Pravda de Paris" half true/half lie
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Jun 20, 2016 - 06:02pm PT
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war France conducted against Great Britain to keep the US independent
France was just looking for a way to stick it to Great Britain, US independence was a bi-product
back on topic...so this must mean that Hillary has the climber vote all sewn up. What can Trump do to win us over? maybe he should solo Half Dome. I'd vote for him ... if he made it
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 20, 2016 - 06:25pm PT
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Yeah, that Maginot Line was badazz.
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herm
Trad climber
Bishop
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Jun 20, 2016 - 06:50pm PT
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Maginot Line was my first hard boulder problem. It goes sideways.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Jun 20, 2016 - 07:07pm PT
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I like Obama. Dark days ahead for this sorry-ass country.
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Jun 20, 2016 - 07:09pm PT
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I love the way these threads go OT so fast here. Nice try though, herm...
... the French Republic, which courageously fought Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, the Soviet Union, and the horde of hellish American plutocrats, all at the same time.
LMAO The military casualties for the US during WWII in fighting all those countries the French Republic almost staved off before their collapse (again) was nearly twice the French military casualties for the war.
Revisionist history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Jun 20, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
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Half the deaths out of less than 1/3 of the population. They lost about 1.6 times as many per capita, but yes, less in absolute terms. Revisionist statistical BS on your part.
They also lost 390k civilians compared the 12k in the US. So by total lives lost they lost 50% more in absolute terms, and nearly 5x in per capita terms.
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Jun 20, 2016 - 08:47pm PT
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Statistics, damn statistics, and lies.
Would you care to conjecture how many civilian casualties the US would have sustained if the Nazis had occupied our country? Go ahead and use your per capita math.
I am not saying there weren't loyal French fighting throughout WWII nor that it was an 'easy' occupation for the French but Patrice is way off base and judging from the memorials to foreign soldiers who fell in defense of France, 'she' is not particularly indicative of the majority of French feeling on this matter.
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