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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 9, 2016 - 01:58pm PT
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The Fresno Bee just reported that President Obama is planning a trip to Yosemite on June 17-19. It reports the itnerary is not yet set, but it's always exciting when a sitting president visits.
I saw Presisdent Kennedy when he visited. In those days, he rode in an open convertible (the "bubble top limousine") so he was easy to see. I suspect current security concerns prevent any such easy access now.
Would it not be cool if he made it to Camp 4?
John
P.S. Yes, it would be nice if uses any photo ops to call attention to the deferred maintenance or, even better yet, to the campsites we lost 20 years ago that have yet to be replaced, but I still find the idea of the his visit a good thing.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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cw, pull the stick out man.
A presidential visit creates an opportunity to increase public interest in preserving these resources and the services that make them accessible to the masses, and to make it easier to prioritize funding for these things.
You can't improve or manage what you don't measure, and consider this a form of public spotlight measurement.
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clode
Trad climber
portland, or
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Maybe he'll do some bouldering near horse camp ...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I dare him to eat at the cafeteria.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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I saw Presisdent Kennedy when he visited.
It took a minute for that comment to sink in ;)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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he and congress need to get to work fixing the problem
not ignoring it
Have your much coveted Repub congressman pass and send him a bill that covers the backlog. He'll sign it.
But no, you'd rather be one of those the Repubs describe as pigging out at the gov't trough, not voting, not contacting the congressional office, or doing anything else to ACTUALLY change the situation.
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BrassNuts
Trad climber
Save your a_s, reach for the brass...
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Obama taking a ride on the Captain last year...
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 9, 2016 - 02:35pm PT
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I'm curious, Ken, about what funding bill for the NPS anyone (administration or congress) anyone has proposed. The roads in YNP have nice curbs now, brought to us by the Stimulus, while much more pressing needs remain. It may be a master planning issue, but if the administration has proposed a decent funding bill, I would be happy to write my congressman to ask why there's no action on it.
In the meantime, I must admit that Reilly wrote the line of the day thus far.
John
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Would it not be cool if he made it to Camp 4? Too bad Tucker in no longer a fixture there. He'd had some clever comments for him.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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That's next weekend (duh).
I'm making plans as I type.
I was on hand at the same time, John. I wasn't in the park, however, just here in Merced following his address at San Luis Reservoir. On this same jaunt he made an address at the new Whiskeytown Reservoir near Redding, as well.
JFK choppered into the Valley after a stop at Castle AFB following the SLR gig.
I believe he was meeting the head of state of South Korea, named Park Chung-Hee, oddly.
Here he is with Edmund G. "Just Plain Pat, thanks" Brown, Sr.
Official gov't archive shot of political involvement involving two well-known politicos.
Wilmot, yer FIRED! :0)
edit: Park Chung-Hee was assassinated, as was JFK. Park's daughter, Park Geun-hye, is currently serving as S. Korea's 11th president. Caroline Kennedy is now the serving US Ambassador to Japan.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Get real.
Congress controls the purse strings. They have been the road block to additional funding. But go ahead and blame the President.
I do agree that it would be cheaper if Obama just stayed home and didn't travel at all. They'll clear it with you next time.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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I'd happily defer the portion on my taxes that go to defense dept waste to the President's trip.
What a job, can you imagine the responsibility? I don't think anyone can. Let the guy soak up the views without criticizing him.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Delusions of grandeur?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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"Yes, yer Highness, those are what we call 'dirtbags'. They're a local
sub-species of Homo sapiens, but they're a little lite on the sapiens bits."
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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I and many other NPS workers have suffered because of that backlog
The backlog has been going on for decades. You can't blame Obama for it.
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Maybe Obama will visit the El Cap bridge and suck down a couple of luke-warm cobras with the climber-brahs.
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WBraun
climber
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Better yet Obama should B.A.S.E into the park from Air Force One as it's flying over the Park ......
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WBraun
climber
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Nope ... for one split second the airplane is stationary in the sky.
:-)
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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He's probably scouting the place for a suitable wall for the giant Hillary rock carving. Maybe the NW Face of Half Dome. Get David Lee Roth to do it.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Bwahaha, if we have a Trump President we might really see a face carved into El Cap or Half Dome... probably Half Dome because it's higher and can be seen from more vantage points.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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That is not Trump, it looks like Johnson
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Sweet! I like Presidents who get out there.
Maybe he'll do a Teddy and follow in his footsteps. I assume that will be 2 nights at the Ahwahnee. Maybe Camp 4 one night or the Backpacker's camp.
Hopefully he'll issue an executive order making it illegal for a private company to trademark intellectual property owned by the American People.
Shall we send Mr Bridwell as our "climbing community" ambassador to meet him and shake hands in a photo opp? }:-)
Largo could take him top-roping on After Six. Sweet first pitch.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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If it draws a little more attention to the importance of parks and their funding/management, fine with me. Perhaps Obama will even publicly comment on the subject while there. After all, he did call Kevin and Tommy when they got up the Dawn Wall.
There was of course Teddy Roosevelt's historic visit to Yosemite, and meeting with John Muir. What other US presidents have truly experienced Yosemite?
It's possible to imagine Obama, like Roosevelt, actually hiking if not climbing while in Yosemite. For sure he won't be golfing. But unlike Roosevelt, Obama probably won't have a chance to sneak off on his own. Visits like this must create a lot of work for the NPS, if not YOSAR.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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If you please, Tad, since this will be a family vacation for the POTUS and his gals, after all, we should NOT discuss that and get back on topic, whatever that proves to be, eventually.
Licky has his own titties-on-a-boar thread. Keep those asinine comments and BS where it belongs.
And why in hell does everything have to turn political?
STickit, 'tards!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Barak and Michelle will probably opt for the Yosemite Majestic Hotel but Malia and Sasha are taking their Filson tent to Camp 4 hoping to get to know some of the calloused feet, non 1% types they'll never meet at Harvard.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Trump's likeness has already been carved into stone....."
Well, can't disagree with you on that one, Cragman.
I've got you all beat...Obama's gonna be living in a location just down the hill from me. Maybe I can talk him into a little Tramway bouldering, or a romp up Whodunit...
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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I'm going to predict that President Obama will use his visit to Yosemite to announce at least one new National Monument.
My guess is: It will be Bear’s Ears-Cedar Mesa-Grand Gulch in SE Utah.
I have somewhat mixed feelings about this area becoming a National Monument, since it will likely affect my wanderings on it, but it does need some more protection.
On the other hand, the local & statewide Mormons really hate the idea of the area being protected from cattle grazing, ATV’s, & anything else that might make the locals some money.
Here's a link to a fairly long article on the subject.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-major-native-american-site-is-being-looted-will-obama-risk-armed-conflict-to-save-it/ar-BBtTzkn?li=BBnb7Kz
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John Morton
climber
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JEleazarian, Bill Peppin and I were on the W Face of Lower Brother when we heard the thunder of helicopters approaching, then watched as the Kennedy convoy passed on their way up the valley. Funny to think that we were all there that weekend, unaware of each other. There were so few climbers in C4 in those days.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 9, 2016 - 10:17pm PT
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Thanks for the comment, John. JFK's visit was a four or five years before I started climbing, but I remember watching people on the Apron a few days before, while I was checking out the bears at the dump. While most of the people around me were saying things about how crazy those climbers were, I wanted to emulate them. Obviously, that desire never left me.
John
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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There goes the neighborhood.
So the President doesn't have the right to visit a National Park...
Sorry those couple of days inconvenience you...maybe pick another date and quit your bellyaching..
I was working at the Ahwahnee Hotel when the Queen visited, i still have my tee-shirt.
Edit, wrong date John.....Everyone who had a reservation during the Queens stay was still allowed in... It was cold and rainy.. and 3 secret service agents died in a car crash...)-;
"And why in hell does everything have to turn political "...Yup, I hope the President and his family get to enjoy the park ..
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 9, 2016 - 10:40pm PT
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Well, Nita, it is Father's Day weekend. Still, when HRH Elizabeth II visited the park in February of 1983, they virtually shut down the Valley. Fortunately, my family had a cabin in Yosemite West, where I spent the weekend and, of greatest importance, met my future wife. If for no other reason than that, I don't think I'll resent dignitaries' visits, as long as they remind me of that wonderful weekend.
John
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Could be worse, John. Chump could be blocking your access to Swan Slab...
zing!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 10, 2016 - 08:01am PT
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jun 10, 2016 - 11:46am PT
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So lame.
The President wants to visit Yosemite and all you right wingers do is whine.
Assholes.
DMT
DMT>>>Completely true.....WEAK SAUCE..
While were at it, let's just get rid of the 4th of July, Memorial day, Labor day, Mother's day, Father's day and any rain that falls in the Valley.... clusterf*#ks always happen in the Valley.... maybe....
just deal with it...or.. go to the park another time.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jun 10, 2016 - 01:22pm PT
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Will they close off the loop like they do with the roads here in LA when he visits?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 10, 2016 - 02:21pm PT
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Just be careful over there. Recall what happened when the Queen paid a visit.
Sounds logical, eh. Drugs be damned we're going with the old 70-30 rule.
3 killed, 1 injured March 5, 1983 Sergeant Roderick Sinclair Head-On Crash Kills 3 Secret Service Agents In Mariposa County near Yosemite National Park, Mariposa County Sheriff's Sergeant Roderick Sinclair, 43, was driving with his partner, Deputy Rod McKean, 51, when "for some reason, [he didn't] know why," Sinclair crossed the center line and hit the second of the three Secret Service cars, which went tumbling down a 10-foot embankment. The agents, who were in California on special assignment to protect Queen Elizabeth of Great Britain during her visit to Yosemite National park, died instantly. Sgt. Sinclair was calculated to be driving westbound at 64 mph in a 35 mph zone, while the eastbound vehicles driven by Phillips and LaBarge were both halfway across the center dividing line into the westbound lane, so the district court concluded that Sinclair was 70% at fault and, accordingly, it ordered the United States to indemnify the County of Mariposa for 30% of its settlement--$1.2 million. The judge disallowed evidence that showed that Sinclar was under influence of drugs.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jun 10, 2016 - 05:49pm PT
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The leader of the free world wants to see the most beautiful place on Earth while the waterfalls are in full swing. Enjoy, Mr. President. You deserve a break.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jun 10, 2016 - 06:25pm PT
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Obama has added 21 new national monuments to be run by the NPS
yet we have a 13 billion dollar NPS backlog of deferred maintenance
thats a problem.
So, any potential monuments should be privatized?
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c wilmot
climber
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Jun 10, 2016 - 06:35pm PT
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Nonsense. The right just wants to spend more money diffrently. Funny when their ox gets gored with their own petard.
DMT
guess you didnt realize I was being sarcastic before
and I hate all politicians equally- no bias here
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jun 10, 2016 - 07:12pm PT
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Hmm, so who should be the commander in chief...your grocery clerk?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jun 10, 2016 - 07:14pm PT
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That is not Trump, it looks like Johnson
I thought it was a Jackson....
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Bluelens
Social climber
Pasadena, CA
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Jun 11, 2016 - 08:37am PT
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http://www.nationalgeographic.com/voteyourpark/?park=grand_canyon_national_park
Cross post from thread started June 8.
Vote once per 24 hour period through July 5. Joshua Tree is in 12th place behind the big parks....Mt. Rainier NP is in 6th place to renovate housing for search and rescue staff. Denali is in the running...
$2 million is available; most big parks applied for the maximum grant of $250k.
Yosemite is doing well....the smaller parks need votes. Funding is through the National Historic Landmark program, so manmade structures are the theme. The parks need any maintenance/restoration funding they can get.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 11, 2016 - 01:47pm PT
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Nope ... for one split second the airplane is stationary in the sky.
:-)
I do not remember, but I think the object must be affixed to something. So I believe it passes muster if he were to jump from an Air Force antenna.
If anyone wants to ask to go along there are enough for more than one.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jun 18, 2016 - 10:56am PT
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And ..big props out to ~Josh Helling...
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Jun 18, 2016 - 11:06am PT
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I was over there yesterday (Friday). Lots of security vehicles everywhere.
Really nice weather for mid-late June. Mid 70's and a breeze.
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Jun 18, 2016 - 12:56pm PT
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I wonder if the Secret Service reads the ST forum?
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 18, 2016 - 01:09pm PT
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Well?!?!?!
Did he send?!?!?!
Edit:
hahahaha
I wonder if the Secret Service reads the ST forum?
well yeah... for beta for his send of POTUSNIAD
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jun 18, 2016 - 01:15pm PT
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Cragman kinda reminds me of ross perot
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 18, 2016 - 02:22pm PT
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If the SS is here, nice work fellas.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 18, 2016 - 02:36pm PT
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And....um......by the way......
Keep your ears open. The issues will provide meaningful livelihoods for us, our children and our brethren in the great outdoors while promoting competence and self reliance for the coming centuries.
Something something something.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:20pm PT
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In 1962, when JFK entered the Ahwahnee I was sitting on top the entrance gate along with Roger Derryberry-so much for security!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jun 18, 2016 - 07:40pm PT
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Who edits that FecesBook page?
Mrs. Obama?
The Secret Service?
Some Bronie?
And Guido, even back then the SS knew better than to mess with the LSEDFS!
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 19, 2016 - 06:05am PT
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Mouse,
If you insult my president, you're off my list. Period. He's fighting for poor disabled old farts and vets. Shut it.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Jun 19, 2016 - 06:16am PT
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Cool for the prez to visit the park. Cool for everyone else to know to avoid the park on that weekend! I can't imagine the zoo.
BAd
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jun 21, 2016 - 06:34am PT
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After a night with his family in a rented cabin in the popular park, Obama stuck to his usual routine by rising early Saturday and heading to a recreation center on the grounds for his daily gym workout.
Obama's weekend in the great outdoors was planned to encourage more people to appreciate and visit many of the nation's parks.
Working out indoors while in Yosemite, promoting the great outdoors.
Priceless.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2016 - 10:57am PT
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I had hoped to be in the Valley on Friday to climb, but got sick on my Medicare birthday on Thursday and was stuck at home recovering. My daughter was there, and saw a plethora of helicopters, but wasn't sure which, if any, was Marine Corps One. She reported that it was not particularly crowded, perhaps because news reports led people to believe it would be a zoo.
Ken (Chicken Skinner) got a great picture of the POTUS delivering his speech on Saturday, and the Bee reported that he and the family then drove to Glacier Point, and hiked back down to the Valley. They didn't report by which route, but it sounded like the Panorama Trail. If so, it's a bit of a closed circle for me, because I was hiking up the Panorama Trail in 1962 when we heard the first helicopters of Kennedy's advance party heading into the Valley.
In any case, I didn't hear much griping about his visit from anyone who was there, and I still think it's a good thing that he found time for the visit and, I hope, a little rest. We may disagree (well, OK. We strongly disagree), but he deserves and needs a break from the dreadfulness of contemporary Washington.
John
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jun 21, 2016 - 11:14am PT
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Why isn't that French dick on This Thread complaining?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jun 21, 2016 - 11:29am PT
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Working out indoors while in Yosemite, promoting the great outdoors. How dare he. You have a right to be insulted.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Jun 21, 2016 - 11:31am PT
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^^^^^^^^
Probably just a way for him to get off the stage for a while
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 21, 2016 - 02:05pm PT
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Good seeing you this weekend Barack ( still sounds like a Star Trek Name to me). Thanks for rope gunning those pitches on free rider, and as always, the monster offwidth is on me!
Glad you got the girls up the casual free solo of Steck Salathe on your hike down from glacier point. I told you they are Senders! And wasn't it a good idea I had you give those secret service guys beta on spotting?
But enough of this training wheels sh#t, meet you in vedauwoo next month and the white rim in the fall, for some Real Climbing!
Cheers,
Jaybro.
And mutual condolences, on the Warriors loss....
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jun 21, 2016 - 05:29pm PT
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On behalf of Cleveland National Forest (I can't speak for the Cleveland Cavialiers) and myself, I salute the POTUS as an All-American Basketball Fan and former playah from Illinois, as well as Senator for that fine state.
The Ohio Players were more entertaining, however.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jun 21, 2016 - 06:23pm PT
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The President clearly could use a vacation with some peace and quiet. Sadly as President, he'll never be able to get away from it and just have a normal vacation like we can. And he'll probably fire the guy who suggested the trip once he bumps up against the 60,000+++ tourists and the zoo that the valley usually is in early summer. :-) Hope he's not harassed by every Tom Dick and Harry and that he'll enjoy the majesty that awes even the most jaded of us. It's a great place, even with the many idiot visitors (aka, all of us and more) who often seem to outnumber the flies by about 3 to 1 margin.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jun 22, 2016 - 04:28am PT
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/morgan-lowder/the-importance-of-preside_b_10591900.html
During his Father’s Day trip to Yosemite National Park, the President took time out of his schedule to make remarks on America’s national park system.
Instead of just discussing the magnificence of the park and the need to maintain federal national park regulations, as is typically done, the President brought up the important topic of climate change and its impact on America’s natural beauty.
He referenced the drying out of Yosemite’s meadows, the vanishing glaciers, changes in bird migratory patterns, the displacement of mammals endemic to the park, and more expensive and dangerous wildfire seasons.
The gist of the President’s message is that climate change is steadily transforming America’s natural treasures for the worst.
Climate change is often portrayed in the media as a partisan issue where its existence depends on whether or not someone believes in it or not.
When a politician comes on TV and says manmade climate change is a hoax, he or she is rarely challenged.
The unfortunate impact this has on the American psyche is the belief that climate change isn’t a legitimate danger and is something that warrants negligible amounts of concern.
Research suggests this to be true as only 41% of Americans view climate change to be an immediate cause for concern, compared to 51% of people globally.
It also doesn’t help that there is substantial moneyed interest in preventing climate action.
Almost as bad as climate change being portrayed as an issue where there is no established truth is not discussing it at all.
Typically, the only time climate change issues are raised in the media is when there is some type of controversy over climate policy or during an international climate conference, such as the one in Paris last December.
What the President’s speech highlights is that climate change doesn’t take a break just because we aren’t talking about it.
The dearth of coverage between the Paris Conference of Parties and today has not been followed by an equally scarce amount of harmful climatic events.
There is currently a heat wave in the Southwest, wildfires in several states, a continuation of the several year-long California drought, and projections indicate that 2016 will continue 2015 and 2014’s legacies of being the hottest year on record. Clearly, there is ample cause to keep the conversation going.
President Obama could have easily taken the easy route and stopped talking about climate change.
I’m sure it would be a great way for him to shield himself from criticism and controversy.
Instead, he has shown incredible leadership by making climate action a defining part of his Presidential legacy.
In many respects, he is the first American president to do this.
All of us, including the next President, should follow President Obama’s example and continue to discuss this very important issue.
We have a responsibility to our planet and each other to cast our votes for candidates, at all levels, who acknowledge the need for meaningful climate policy.
Choosing to keep silent will only mean that the damage climate change has already impacted on national parks like Yosemite will continue, unabated.
Thank you Mr. President for not keeping silent.
From me, "Ditto, Mr. POTUS."
MFM
Cry me a river, Jody. Call it the Lyell Fork of the Tuolumne.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Marcus McCoy from somewhere over the rainbow...
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Jun 22, 2016 - 07:49am PT
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Well said mouse.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Jun 22, 2016 - 07:52am PT
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Yeah Mouse X 1,000,000!!!!!
Well said, my friend, well said!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jun 22, 2016 - 08:05am PT
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Mouse-Hillary 2016..!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 22, 2016 - 08:26am PT
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Well 'Climate Change' did indeed shape Yosemite Valley. It took a while, and Mother nature did it all herself, without many people around.
Climate change. Zzzzz....
If you really think he gives 2 shits about Yosemite OR climate change as it affects humans, you're deluding yourself. This is about climate change politics and ways for him to spend more money frivolously.
Everything Obama does is political. But he entitled to crash the park anytime he wants. He's entitled to that as an American.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 22, 2016 - 08:35am PT
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Meanwhile, you plan to vote for that racist trump.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 22, 2016 - 10:00am PT
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DMT, I'm quite aware how much contempt you think I'm full of.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jun 22, 2016 - 11:04am PT
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Show me a picture from 1413 and the glacier will be even bigger. And you know this because...? While we know your point of view if from 1413, we knnow you weren't there at the time. Looks like someone has drank the 'global warming is a fraud' kool-aid though.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jun 22, 2016 - 01:00pm PT
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"Hey couchy, he already went. No wonder you abandoned the witches-who-delete threads hall monitor job. DMT"
Agreed. Sorry DMT. Shame on me for getting out where there's no internet and phone service. I will endeavor to persevere. Hope the mans trip went well.
Carry on.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jun 22, 2016 - 01:40pm PT
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Yeah, I'm the knucklehead for agreeing with 99.99% of the climate scientists who have weighed in on the issue.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 22, 2016 - 03:17pm PT
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I hope that anyone who has evidence debunking human-caused climate change seeks publication of such evidence in a rigorous, peer reviewed, scientific journal.
(Crickets.)
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 22, 2016 - 03:49pm PT
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Like I said, get it published in a rigorous, peer reviewed, scientific journal.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 22, 2016 - 03:50pm PT
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Jody, shouldn't you be stumping for the Cruz campaign?
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jun 22, 2016 - 03:53pm PT
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Why the stage show in the meadows if he wanted a quiet vacation with his family?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 22, 2016 - 04:24pm PT
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Ding is right, the prez gets a bully pulpit wherever he goes. I disagree with what this sciezter is selling, but he gets to it.
They all do.
F*#k, I hate posting on iPads.....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jun 22, 2016 - 08:20pm PT
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Ding I'm in damage control, brother. I'll put up with quite more bullshit as long as the a-hole leaves quietly and goes away like W did.
Counting the days!!!!
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jun 22, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
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I'm sure he will be invited along when President H.R. Clinton visits.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Jun 22, 2016 - 08:26pm PT
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And the chances of a view opposing human-caused climate change actually getting published by a journal you approve of? Yeah, zilch.
Actually the chances are pretty good, as long as it has a sound science basis.
Many scientists dream of overturning any kind of scientific consensus.
Tectonic plate theory being an example.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jun 22, 2016 - 08:32pm PT
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Jody... Why was exxon hiding their research on climate change from the public if climate change is a hoax...?
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Jun 22, 2016 - 08:36pm PT
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93) US President Barack Obama pledged to cut emissions by 2050 to equal those of 1910 when there were 92 million Americans. In 2050, there will be 420 million Americans, so Obama’s promise means that emissions per head will be approximately what they were in 1875. It simply will not happen.
I think it will happen, no problem. Watch and then disagree. Sorry, it's 25 minutes long and might shake you up a bit. We'll make it, no problem.
https://www.ted.com/talks/al_gore_the_case_for_optimism_on_climate_change?language=en
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jun 22, 2016 - 10:38pm PT
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Ciao. And good night. Don't let the fishies bite.Serioulsy, tho, have a great trip and enjoy the glaciers while they last. Wish I were heading up there to chat you up and slap a few mosqutioes.
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