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brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - May 24, 2016 - 11:44am PT
I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but there is definitley something weird going on in our skies.


I for one don't seem to remember so many jet trails in the sky when I was a kid.

This video is pretty inforamtive and links the trails to the use of aluminum as an additive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPnWaBsMYnY

What do you soil science guys think about this?

My brother in law swears that after seeing a high number of trails in the skies that it quite often rains afterwards. He lives in San Diego and sees it quite often.

I remember a few years ago hearing about how we would be able to control weather in the very near future. Many believe there is a strong connection to the chem trails and weather control.

Weird stuff. What's the tacos take?

skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
May 24, 2016 - 11:46am PT
Someone needs to put down an "O" or "X" to get this game started!
slabbo

Trad climber
colo south
May 24, 2016 - 11:50am PT
Not this crazy crap again !?
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
May 24, 2016 - 11:50am PT
They're called CON TRAILS!!
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 11:54am PT
^^^Nope......Chem Trails

Watch my Klimmer-esqe conspiracy video please hahaha
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 11:56am PT
Let me use the classic line.....

Don't comment until you have watched my full 15 min video.

(At least it's not 4hrs long hehehe)
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
May 24, 2016 - 12:11pm PT
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I didn't watch the video...forgive me Brotherbock, but i call this conspiracy stuff~ bull sh#t..

Bigger population in the U.S. and worldwide than you were a kid...More air travel, more airplanes...some moister in the air....etc....

Mr Hartouni ...what say you....
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 12:17pm PT
^^^Makes sense.

I would like to hear from more people out in the field as well.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 24, 2016 - 12:17pm PT
Somebody please post up the original, gobbledygook thread about this topic. I just don't have the stomach to look for it.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 24, 2016 - 12:17pm PT
I for one don't seem to remember so many jet trails in the sky when I was a kid.

Although DMT beat me to the punch I'll take a swing, too. Without knowing
when you were in nappies I'll still stick my neck out and aver that there
are at least 3-4 times as many air pax/miles flown today. And while yer
pic seems to indicate they're all going to the same place new developments
in navigation and the air space system will break up that pattern. The
old hub and route structure ain't what it used to be, too.
yo

climber
Mudcat Spire
May 24, 2016 - 12:21pm PT
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
May 24, 2016 - 12:29pm PT
Here's the Klimmer original,,,

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1286602&msg=1286602#msg1286602
stunewberry

Trad climber
Spokane, WA
May 24, 2016 - 12:41pm PT
native aluminum released into the atmosphere would immediately oxidize to that famous nerve agent, corundum (Al2O3). It's the same stuff that lines your aluminum pans. When you scrub them clean, the raw aluminum surface oxidizes to the essentially inert oxide.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
May 24, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
It's called cloud seeding. It's done before rainstorms. There are many kinds of cloud seeding. The company responsible for cloud seeding in the Sierra is in Incline Village Nevada. They spend a lot of time and money explaining the "science" of rain-making. The 'chemtrail mind control " crowd work tirelessly without pay. Your call.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

And the wiki thing


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding


brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 12:46pm PT
So all those dudes in the video then are bullshitting?

What.....!!!!! Something on the interwebs is wrong?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 24, 2016 - 12:50pm PT
Yep.

You know...if you delete your first post, the whole thread goes 'poof'....

brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 12:52pm PT
Not a chance of that bro.
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 12:53pm PT
What is dead may never die.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 24, 2016 - 12:54pm PT
Thanks for adding quality, unique content here at ST!
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 12:56pm PT
Somebody please post up the original, gobbledygook thread about this topic. I just don't have the stomach to look for it.

I actually searched for chem trails and con trails and other related terms before I made this thread.

Didn't find sh#t, so we're gonna ride this out till the bitter end buddy.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
May 24, 2016 - 12:58pm PT
I'll be so glad when telephone and power lines are no longer necessary.

These are the gnats and black flies of a photography junkie's life, but I've tried to accept them as I do the contrails.

And don't forget fence-lines.

Pollution is mankind's biggest sin.

We need to dial it all back before we are done in.

We are being hoisted by our own pet tards.

And yet the numbers are increased
And yet more pollutants are unleashed
And all in the name of goddam progress

And the DMTs continue flying across the land
Leaving heated air to beat the band
And contributing to this awful mess

Earth stomped to death by carbon feet.
Drowned in a sea of methane.
Floating along placidly.
Not a thing moves except by the force of wind or gravity.
There are no witnesses but angels and bacteria.
But look at this!
It's happening in a pool of stagnant water near the intersection of Pico and Sepulveda...



Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
May 24, 2016 - 01:00pm PT

I've been noticing them more and more...
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 01:01pm PT
What about the global warming link?

http://phys.org/news/2011-03-airplane-contrails-worse-co2-emissions.html

brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 01:08pm PT
Apogee,

If you can't sense the sarcasm/humor of the post you are a dumb fuk.

I already mentioned Klimmer myself.

Congrats on being trolled.
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 01:10pm PT
I'm simply wondering is there more to this and what do some real science people think.

I knew right off the bat there would be dumb fuks like Apogee hijacking the thread.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 24, 2016 - 01:16pm PT
One way to do that is to actually read the original thread...Ed H is in there, and he's got a pretty good view of such things...

Or you could post another space wasting thread. TFPU!
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 01:18pm PT
Whose space are we wasting? The blogosheres?

Link it up if you wanna help instead of being a d#@&%e.

I searched as stated earlier.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 24, 2016 - 01:20pm PT
Learning anything in this thread thusfar (that you didn't already know)?
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 01:21pm PT
About you or the topic?....hehehe
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 24, 2016 - 01:22pm PT
Yes...exactly...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
May 24, 2016 - 01:36pm PT
You're a terrible referee, Apogee. Turn in your whistle, you old sourpuss.

:0)
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
May 24, 2016 - 01:41pm PT
Apogee gurgled: Thanks for adding quality, unique content here at ST!

That is pretty f*#king rich considering you spent over 2840 hours on SuperTopo picking at a carbuncle on Ron Andersons ass.

Feel free to direct us to your quality content. Maybe the trip_report tab is not working. I see none from you.
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 01:47pm PT
That is pretty f*#king rich considering you spent over 2840 hours on SuperTopo picking at a carbuncle on Ron Andersons ass.

Feel free to direct us to your quality content. Maybe the trip_report tab is not working. I see none from you.

Amen.

At least link up what Ed has said on the content.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 24, 2016 - 01:50pm PT
Yaaawwwwnnnn.....

Carbuncle!
snakefoot

climber
Nor Cal
May 24, 2016 - 01:56pm PT
what part of hot exhaust leaving the engine at high altitude and mixing with very cold air is so confusing? this always makes me laugh.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
May 24, 2016 - 01:58pm PT
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brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 02:02pm PT
Well, I stand corrected. Not an Ed H post to be found in that entire thread.

But you had to bust my balls though....

It's all good. I realize this thread is in the crankloon realm.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 24, 2016 - 02:09pm PT
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 02:10pm PT
LOL!!!!

This has been the best derailment of a thread ever....



apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 24, 2016 - 02:11pm PT
couchmaster

climber
May 24, 2016 - 02:23pm PT


Right on Brotherbbrock. A few years back anyone who even mentioned the word "Bilderbergers" was labeled a tinfoil hat wearing crazy. It turns out that labeling them crazy was the best was to denigrate them and change the subject. Bilderbergers is a real group who really meet, and they've been outed enough so that most every mainstream magazine and paper notes their meeting.

It's an interesting thing. I've seen other tinfoil hat crazy things later turn out to be real. (ie, "Death Rays etc etc"). Chem trails (as Klimmer uses the term here http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1286602&tn=0&mr=0); may be real and they may not. Why discount it?

looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Lassitude 33
May 24, 2016 - 04:18pm PT
In Further Breaking News:

NASA's new pictures of Earth are reigniting conspiracy theories straight out of "Journey to the Center of the Earth."

These are previously unreleased images of our blue marble planet, showing the North Pole and what appears to be a giant hole there.

Now conspiracy theorists say NASA is hiding the fact that Earth is really hollow and that inside is another world, where aliens and animals that look like woolly mammoths live.

There's also a theory that there is a portal to another dimension and another that says there's a black hole there.These theories have been around a while, ever since an explorer visited in the '20s and came back to say he was attacked by flying saucers and that an advanced civilization was sitting up there.

It's been backed up by some, who believe the government has put a ban on planes flying over the North Pole.

That's not exactly true, since planes fly within a few dozen miles of the North Pole daily.

And if you're on one of those flights, you may catch a glimpse of it.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
May 24, 2016 - 04:58pm PT
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skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
May 24, 2016 - 05:20pm PT
Silly me, being all worried about this thread. It seems to have come out just fine!


You're a terrible referee, Apogee. Turn in your whistle

Hey! Herding cats is not that easy...
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
May 24, 2016 - 05:35pm PT
My brother in law swears that after seeing a high number of trails in the skies that it quite often rains afterwards. He lives in San Diego and sees it quite often.

Uh, are you talking about the San Diego in California? Because we're in a pretty serious years-long drought and would welcome any rain we can get.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
May 24, 2016 - 05:48pm PT
'Chemtrails' my ass. Contrails. Water vapor from engine combustion condensing in cold, high altitude air. Here's a picture from World War II, I'm pretty sure these bomber crews had better things to do than haul 'chemicals' to spread for their Satanic Masters. (Well, okay, they were 'hauling chemicals' like TNT, and they might have had Satanic Masters, but I'm sure you get my point)


looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Lassitude 33
May 24, 2016 - 05:50pm PT
Spreading death on the enemy in WWII. Yes, chemtrails date back that far and further. It is a deep and dark secret.
WBraun

climber
May 24, 2016 - 05:56pm PT
This is why spreading poisons is so easy.

The loons all think its just normal sh!t coming out of jet engines.

Easily disguised.

Americans are stooopid and look up into the sky and drool that there is never a hidden agenda to anything.

The believe everything shoveled in between their ears by their masters.

The loons just cry conspiracy to STFU everyone.

It's so easy ......
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
May 24, 2016 - 06:10pm PT
Those are piston engines..........

You're pretty darn crotchety there WBraun. Does it come with the territory?

Ever been inside something like a B-17? I went inside one last year here in Yakima and was astounded that people were willing to put themselves in that little tiny (they're pretty small) thin skinned (REALLY thin) aluminum capsules of death loaded with bombs and petrol and fly over Germany or wherever while being shot at. Damn.

Edited to add comment.
WBraun

climber
May 24, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
Yes piston engine which piss chem trails ..... :-)
katiebird

climber
yosemite
May 24, 2016 - 06:29pm PT
It is interesting and sad that people are in such denial that chem trails are a real and serious thing. Arrogantly ignorant is the best term I can come up with. There are contrails and there are chemtrails - they are very different things. If anyone had been paying attention to the f*#king sky the last 20 years you would see the difference with your own eyes. But, alas we are all so dumbed down that we can't even fathom that something so diabolical could really be going on. Wake up people and take look around.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 24, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
katiebird

climber
yosemite
May 24, 2016 - 06:32pm PT
http://www.srmgi.org
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
May 24, 2016 - 06:40pm PT
Our diabolical chemlords have overcome all known science and medicine but can't figure out a way to deliver the evil poison in a manner not visible to the naked eye?
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
May 24, 2016 - 06:52pm PT
katiebird, airlines have both the ability and the motive to load their planes with chemicals to spray onto we unsuspecting citizens below? Come on. I guess then that the chemicals are being mixed in with the fuel, as I have only seen fuel trucks refueling planes at airports; if this is so, why don't the 'chemtrails' show up at low altitude, at take off, all the time? Are the pilots (all thousands of them) in on this (if there are some separate, secret tanks) so they know when to push some button or something? Would maintenance people see the secret button? I really hope you are being sarcastic.

Note to self: believers in conspiracies do not have the ability to rationally deal with facts. They believe. Prime example, see Klimmer.
katiebird

climber
yosemite
May 24, 2016 - 06:56pm PT
Winemaker not airline companies, more like NASA and other private government hired entities.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 24, 2016 - 06:59pm PT
Are you going to vote for Bernie, katiebird?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 24, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
not climate engineering, even covertly...
no chemicals detected when looked for...

more aircraft by far, and flying at higher altitudes (and more likely "optimal altitudes")

warmer atmosphere by quite a lot since any of us older Tacos' childhood (much more moisture)... that is from inadvertent climate engineering, the stuff belching out of the smokestacks and the tailpipes...

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
May 24, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
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NWO2's flying ship looks like a Belchcraft 3/B to me.^^^^
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 24, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
how does talking about climate engineering imply that it's being done covertly?

Freeman Dyson talked about planting trees to counter CO2 emissions in the atmosphere, climate engineering... in the 1970s...

I don't think there were a lot of covert tree planting being done since then...
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
May 24, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
I just laid a chemtrail myself...

I would think if there was some nefarious intent behind spraying what would need to be thousands of tons of deadly stuff into the sky...

They'd likely do it at night, no?



rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
May 24, 2016 - 11:55pm PT
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Rock!...oopsie.

Trad climber
the pitch above you
May 25, 2016 - 03:57am PT
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Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
May 25, 2016 - 06:51am PT
Winemaker nails it:
Note to self: believers in conspiracies do not have the ability to rationally deal with facts. They believe. Prime example, see Klimmer.

Like fundamentalists, no facts can penetrate their conspiracy shaded glasses. See "Truthers" et al.

BAd
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2016 - 08:13am PT
This is why spreading poisons is so easy.

The loons all think its just normal sh!t coming out of jet engines.

Easily disguised.

Americans are stooopid and look up into the sky and drool that there is never a hidden agenda to anything.

The believe everything shoveled in between their ears by their masters.

Fukn A. Right on WB.

warmer atmosphere by quite a lot since any of us older Tacos' childhood (much more moisture)... that is from inadvertent climate engineering, the stuff belching out of the smokestacks and the tailpipes...

So Ed.....it's almost like a positive feedback loop then? As climate gets warmer and there is more moisture is in the atmosphere, the trails will be come more prevalent and persistent? They in turn will also add to the overall effects of global warming by trapping more longwave radiation.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 25, 2016 - 08:30am PT
Yargle Bargle!
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2016 - 08:37am PT
Don't be mad bro cause you got smacked down!

Gonna ride this one out till the bitter end like I said...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 25, 2016 - 08:41am PT
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ddriver

Trad climber
SLC, UT
May 25, 2016 - 09:11am PT
I would say, "talking" about it prepares the masses to accept it, so they aren't all freaked out when the powers that be eventually roll it out officially.

Just the fact they are talking about it, tells me they have intentions to enact their methods.

Yet...methinks they're well under way.

I'm impressed how you managed to go all the way from scientific inquiry (by an NGO BTW) to planning to execution in the space of about 10 seconds, all the while implying a nefarious purpose to your imaginary scenario.

They're putting chemicals in your breakfast cereal by the way.

So, you chemtrail loons,

Who EXACTLY is doing this? Don't just say "them" or the "government." WHO EXACTLY WHERE?
What "chemicals" are they putting in these trails?
Who is paying for it?
What is the effect of the chemicals?
What is the purpose for doing this?
How is it that no one (credible) has blown a whistle on it?

Also, are the lizard people really running our government?
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2016 - 09:18am PT
^^^Who are the chem trail loons?

I don's see anyone in this thread including myself that is saying there is some giant conspiracy.

I just want to know what scientific minded people think about it. Even Ed says that because there is more moisture in the air and more jets flying these days that the trails are more prevalent.

There never needed to be some giant conspiracy, the people in the video I posted would differ with that viewpoint but I never said it was mine.
ddriver

Trad climber
SLC, UT
May 25, 2016 - 09:20am PT
I take it all back, its real. David Icke told me so. The good news is there's something we all can do about it, straight from his website:

By virtue of the fact that space and time are illusions and everything exists because our consciousness allows for it to exist (just like the Matrix movie which is truth under the guise of fiction), you can use your consciousness to dissipate chemtrails if you have focus, discipline, strong faith, and strong intent. In an article on in5d.com titled "How To Transmute Chemtrails With Our Intentions" are these simple instructions:

Stare at the back of the ‘aircraft’ which was coming over the distant horizon with a trail behind it and intend (intentions are everything!) that the trail would be transmuted into harmless substances. During this process we think or say out loud such phrases as “transmute”, “blue skies”, “don’t stick”, or other intentions to that effect. The most important part of the process is to stare ONLY at the back of the aircraft and follow it with our eyes as it crossed the sky. One should not look back at the trail to see if you have been successful (egocentric) or you have broken the etheric link, Just focus on the back of the aircraft and follow it all the way to the opposite horizon, or until it has gone out of sight…then it is OK to look back.

I have personally tried this to dissipate chemtrails and I can tell you folks reading this article that IT REALLY DOES WORK!
ddriver

Trad climber
SLC, UT
May 25, 2016 - 09:21am PT
really?

This is why spreading poisons is so easy.

The loons all think its just normal sh!t coming out of jet engines.

Easily disguised.

Americans are stooopid and look up into the sky and drool that there is never a hidden agenda to anything.

The believe everything shoveled in between their ears by their masters.

Fukn A. Right on WB.

good lord
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2016 - 09:23am PT
^^^Yes you are a stupid American......really.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
May 25, 2016 - 09:34am PT
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I ate a bowl of Chem trail puffs ..for breakfast this morning. They were so light and airy
i feel like i can float.

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brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2016 - 09:34am PT
It's the ones that propagate into clouds that I"m curious about. Is this a function of pollution in the atmosphere? Or just moisture ?

^^^Valid question. I don't think your a loon either for wondering.
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2016 - 09:49am PT
Wow Tami, I couldn't have stated it any better.

I agree on all your points 100%

Thanks for redeeming the taco.
monolith

climber
state of being
May 25, 2016 - 09:55am PT
http://contrailscience.com/
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2016 - 10:00am PT
I redeem nothing. I'd just prefer conversations to be civil

Yeah it would be hard to redeem all of these de-railing dip shits.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 25, 2016 - 10:08am PT
So Ed.....it's almost like a positive feedback loop then? As climate gets warmer and there is more moisture is in the atmosphere, the trails will be come more prevalent and persistent? They in turn will also had to the overall effects of global warming by trapping more longwave radiation.

water vapor is a very powerful "greenhouse gas" and there is a positive feedback with atmospheric warming...

I think the aircraft contrails are not a major player in cloud production, but a noticeable contribution.

From the IPCC AR4 WG1 report, Ch2

p137.

"Aircraft produce persistent linear trails of condensation (‘contrails’) in regions that have suitably low temperatures and high humidity. Contrails are a form of cirrus cloud that refl ect solar radiation and absorb infrared radiation. Linear contrails from global aircraft operations have increased Earth’s cloudiness and are estimated to cause a small positive radiative forcing."

also see section 2.6 Contrails and Aircraft-Induced Cloudiness
"Like many other sectors, subsonic aircraft operations around the globe contribute directly and indirectly to the RF [Radiative Forcing] of climate change."

"Aircraft produce persistent contrails in the upper troposphere in ice-supersaturated air masses (IPCC, 1999). Contrails are thin cirrus clouds, which reflect solar radiation and trap outgoing longwave radiation."

"Individual persistent contrails are routinely observed to shear and spread, covering large additional areas with cirrus cloud (Minnis et al., 1998). Aviation aerosol could also lead to changes in cirrus cloud (see Section 2.6.4). Aviation-induced cloudiness (AIC) is defined to be the sum of all changes in cloudiness associated with aviation operations. Thus, an AIC estimate includes persistent contrail cover."

"The second issue is that the absence of AIC has been proposed as the cause of the increased diurnal temperature range (DTR) found in surface observations made during the short period when all USA air traffic was grounded starting on 11 September 2001 (Travis et al., 2002, 2004)."

"Global aviation operations emit aerosols and aerosol precursors into the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere (IPCC, 1999; Hendricks et al., 2004). As a result, aerosol number and/or mass are enhanced above background values in these regions. Aviation-induced cloudiness includes the possible influence of aviation aerosol on cirrus cloudiness amounts. The most important aerosols are those composed of sulphate and BC (soot). Sulphate aerosols arise from the emissions of fuel sulphur and BC aerosol results from incomplete combustion of aviation fuel."
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2016 - 10:09am PT
Hrm it's not possible that there are more jets in the air then when you were a kid or that your memory sucks so it must be a global mind control conspiracy!

This has been talked about a few times already in this thread.

Read it! You stupid American! LOL

More jets + more moisture from climate change = mas con/chem trails
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2016 - 10:11am PT
I think the aircraft contrails are not a major player in cloud production, but a noticeable contribution.

Thanks for posting good Sir.
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2016 - 12:52pm PT
Here is how you take this to the conspiracy level.

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/chemtrails-killing-organic-crops-monsantos-gmo-seeds-thrive/

Is Monsanto engineering their crops to be aluminum resistant because of chem trails?

See how many holes you can find in this article. Great entertainment here!

monolith

climber
state of being
May 25, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
http://www.metabunk.org/debunked-monsantos-aluminum-resistant-gmos-and-chemtrails.t341/

Hence, to increase the aluminum content of US arable land by 1%, you would need to spray the equivalent of 40 years of the entire world's production of bauxite.
Killer K

Boulder climber
Sacramento, CA
May 25, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 25, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
While there are many more jets there are fewer, but much bigger, engines.
They are vastly more fuel efficient than in the past but for all I know
they may produce more and/or bigger contrails. I would think there have
been some studies of that, but not necessarily since that's of little concern
to the engine or airframe builders.
gtowey

Sport climber
Sunnyvale, CA
May 25, 2016 - 03:12pm PT
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jan 26, 2017 - 05:51pm PT
http://awarenessact.com/32-photos-from-inside-chemtrail-planes-like-youve-never-seen-before/
monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 26, 2017 - 06:08pm PT
^^^ LOL, the weight and balance testing fools the chemtrailers again. ^^^

Dang you are gullible, Cochrane.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jan 26, 2017 - 06:28pm PT
weight and balance testing doesn't involve complex arrays of spray nozzles
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jan 26, 2017 - 06:36pm PT
The chemtrails are the remains of any ethics in America being vaporized by the trumpeters.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jan 26, 2017 - 06:42pm PT
https://www.ncscooper.com/32-photos-from-inside-chemtrail-planes-like-youve-never-seen-before/

(from the comments)

Sigh...

-Photos of the Evergreen Supertanker (Now in the boneyard because it never got commissioned, the new Supertanker is a 747-400) used to fight fires.

-Cloud seeding aircraft

-a 737 refueling panel (second from the bottom)

-an apparatus on a KC135 boom used to spray WATER on other planes inflight to test anti icing capability

-pictures of an airliner dumping fuel to reduce gross weight for landing

-various shots of the interior or research planes

-auxiliary fuel tanks installed in the back of a small plane for a ferry flight

-the "Sprayer 05" and "Hazmat Inside" sticker has been photoshopped onto..wait for it..the lavatory in a Boeing 777.

-pictures of the interior of a C130 installed with a MAFFS firefighting device

-pictures of a C130 spraying for mosquitos

-picture of a 757 on approach into Gatwick International creating an aerodynamic contrail/wingtip vortices

-a quick search of "Biegert Aviation" reveals that it is a 1960's era DC3

-the pylon drains on am Airbus A320 series, used to drain residual fluids from the aircraft, because of leaks in the hydraulic fuel systems.

-and of course the ballast barrels used in the testing of any large airliner, through which water is pumped to simulate shifts in center of gravity such as passengers moving about the cabin. Used over...and over..and over again as "proof" of "chemtrails"
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jan 26, 2017 - 06:51pm PT
I suspect they're spraying LSD. Trump got elected. I think. Or is it just a dream?

Edited to add: Too rational monolith, won't fly.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jan 26, 2017 - 08:01pm PT
Here's a good site with explanations for most of the pictures above. Read it and weep, chemtrail fans, although I suspect you are impervious to fact.

http://contrailscience.com/contrail-or-chemtrail/
couchmaster

climber
Jan 27, 2017 - 06:09am PT

Saw a good article last week on how the Chinese are spraying chemicals into the sky to influence the weather. Can't speak specifically to "chemtrails", but found it of interest. I googled for it and didn't find the article I read, but saw these older ones:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8587725.stm

http://www.naturalnews.com/049031_cloud_seeding_weather_control_chemtrails.html



TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jan 28, 2017 - 05:02pm PT
Interesting assessment, Monolith State of Being
(anonymous being portrayed as ...)

so do you think that is the end of the story??
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 12, 2017 - 10:57pm PT
US government admits they are creating chemtrails in space

https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/13/nasa-rocket-will-form-artificial-clouds-in-space/
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 12, 2017 - 11:16pm PT
so do you think that is the end of the story??

Sigh. Aviation fuel logistics and management at major airports is already a daunting affair without complicating it further with any such nonsense, particularly at scale. Ditto for aircraft scheduling and maintenance.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
May 3, 2018 - 10:22pm PT
Twisted contrail over Mammoth Mountain ...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 3, 2018 - 10:29pm PT
^^^^^^^ Clearly a Malaysian Airlines B777 doing barrel rolls.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
May 3, 2018 - 10:31pm PT
uh huh
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
May 4, 2018 - 05:20am PT
Chemtrails....

...that idea always seems light on follow the money.

Anybody have a rationale for spending money on the chemtrail thing.

Where’s the cheese?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 4, 2018 - 06:19am PT
Does anyone have a feel for what the chemical plant to airplane supply chain infrastructure requirements would be? Basically, double the fuel infrastructure at depots and airports and you'd need shitloads more space, vehicles and people at the airports to support it. Not happening.
dirtbag

climber
May 4, 2018 - 06:25am PT
An old close friend of mine believes this stuff. It’s always a challenge finding a new way to gently introduce a new conversation topic.
hamersorethumb

Trad climber
Menlo Park, CA
May 4, 2018 - 10:21am PT
Take a listen:
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4027

Or read.

Today we're going to put on our Men In Black suits, buy a plane ticket, and spray the world with mysterious chemicals as part of an evil government conspiracy. For today's subject is chemtrails.

Wow. Where to begin. I read a fair amount of skeptical, paranormal, and conspiracy websites, but I don't recall ever reading so much vituperation, anger, and name calling as when I read a few forums discussing chemtrails. If you're not familiar with the term, chemtrails are what some conspiracy theorists call aircraft condensation trails. Most of them don't believe that conventional contrails exist, and that when you see one, you're actually seeing a trail of mysterious airborne chemicals sprayed from the aircraft. Those who do concede the existence of contrails often claim subtle differences in appearance or behavior between a condensation trail and a chemical trail.

First, let's discuss exactly what a contrail is. A condensation trail, also called a vapor trail, forms at altitudes above 25,000 feet in temperatures below -40 degrees when engine exhaust condenses into ice crystals, creating an artificial cirrus cloud. Water is produced by hydrocarbon burning engines in about the same quantity as fuel consumed, and in the right conditions, this extra addition of water into the air pushes the water vapor past the saturation point, and condensation occurs. It takes a moment to happen, which accounts for the contrail appearing a short distance behind the aircraft, rather than immediately, like you'd see from a smoke pod on an aerobatic plane, or like when a crop duster releases chemicals. Contrails can also be caused at high altitudes by the extreme low pressure areas created by wingtip vortices, which reduce the temperature enough to condense the existing moisture in the air. As previously mentioned, many chemtrail believers claim that there is no such thing as a condensation trail. Since they're well understood, 100% reproducible, and observable practically any time you look into the sky, the onus is really on the believers to prove that no such thing is possible. In my opinion they have quite an uphill battle on this one.

By the way, in case you're wondering whether I meant Celsius or Fahrenheit when I said -40 degrees, here's a bit of science trivia for you. -40 is the point where the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales are the same. If you can figure out where Fahrenheit and Kelvins intersect, go to Skeptoid.com and post it in the forum.

Some chemtrail believers say that the population is being gassed with some unknown chemical for an unknown reason. Others tie into pop culture, suggesting that chemtrails are the active manifestation of one proposal to combat global warming by placing dust into the upper atmosphere to reflect sunlight. One guy told me "You guys are so full of yourselves just can't conceive of spiritual warfare can you? Try this fact: malevolent interdimensional entities are involved — project keep the human slave race suppressed."

Like all conspiracy theories, chemtrails require us to accept the existence of a coverup of mammoth proportions. In this case, virtually every aircraft maintenance worker at every airport in the world needs to be either part of the conspiracy, or living under a threat from Men in Black, with not a single whistle blower or deathbed confession in decades. Yet the threats are not frightening enough to prevent stories like the following from appearing on the Internet:

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity. I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus. The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system. I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of the static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through the fake wicks.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork. I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon." CLICK. Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me.

Another forum poster replied:

I, too, work for an airline, though I work in upper management levels. I wish I could document everything I am about to relate to you, but to do so is next to impossible and would result in possible physical harm to me. Airline companies in America have been participating in something called Project Cloverleaf for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999. The few airline employees who were briefed on Project Cloverleaf were all made to undergo background checks, and before we were briefed on it we were made to sign non-disclosure agreements, which basically state that if we tell anyone what we know we could be imprisoned. About twenty employees in our office were briefed along with me by two officials from some government agency. They didn't tell us which one. They told us that the government was going to pay our airline, along with others, to release special chemicals from commercial aircraft. When asked what the chemicals were and why we were going to spray them, they told us that information was given on a need-to-know basis and we weren't cleared for it. He seemed perturbed at this question and told us in a tone of authority that the public doesn't need to know what's going on, but that this program is in their best interests. He also stated that we should not tell anyone, nor ask any more questions about it.

I take back my comment about the lack of whistle blowers. It seems that just about everyone is discussing it freely, and since the government is openly laying out virtually all the essential details to 20 people in every airline office in the world with complicity from all the union reps, why the secrecy? If we're truly on the edge of a global warming catastrophe and a worldwide cooperative effort to spray reflective dust into the atmosphere is the only way we can save ourselves, wouldn't a little glasnost be a more effective approach? Of course it would, but then we wouldn't have had those two very exciting and original stories.

If the goal was to drug a population, you'd put the gas where it could reach people, you wouldn't release a minute quantity into the jet stream where it's going to be diluted to undetectable levels and eventually rain into the oceans. If the goal is to put reflective dust into the atmosphere to fight global warming, you'd need to plant it a lot higher than commercial jets can travel if you don't want it to rain right back to earth (in fact you need to put it well up into the stratosphere, not just at the top of the troposphere), and you'd need a lot more than can ever be delivered with 50 gallon tanks. But then, the arguments in favor of chemtrails don't appear to be based on any kind of logic. They appear to be based on nothing more than imagined conspiracies and sightings of visible contrails, which are well understood, and are being left by planes every hour of the day over every city in the world, and have been for over 50 years. It's how the malevolent interdimensional entities remind us of their ominous presence.

REFRENCES

References & Further Reading

Anonymous. "An Airline Manager's Statement." Aerosol Crimes & Cover Up. C.E. Carnicom, 22 May 2000. Web. 11 Nov. 2009. <http://www.carnicom.com/mgr1.htm>;

Anonymous. "A Mechanics Statement." Aerosol Crimes & Cover Up. C.E. Carnicom, 19 May 2000. Web. 11 Nov. 2009. <http://www.carnicom.com/mech1.htm>;

Bruce Conway. "The Chemtrail Smoking Gun - Proof of Global Geoengineering Projects." Lightwatcher. Illumina Publishing, 20 Jun. 2003. Web. 22 Nov. 2009. <http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/smoking_gun.html>;

Hope, Ray. America Sold Out. Longwood, FL: Xulon Press, 2003. 145-152.

Ludlum, David M. National Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Weather. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., 1991. 24-26.

U.S. Air Force. "Contrails Facts." Official website of the U.S. Airforce. U.S. Air Force, 13 Oct. 2005. Web. 5 Nov. 2009. <http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-051013-001.pdf>;

United States Environmental Protetion Agency. "Aircraft Contrails Factsheet (EPA430-F-00-005)." United States Environmental Protetion Agency. 1 Sep. 2000, EPA430-F-00-005.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 4, 2018 - 10:26am PT
So the chemicals go into the Jet A? Rad!
I thought maybe all the airplanes had secret tanks and automatic valves and sh!t.
Kinda a waste spraying all the oceans and icecaps though.
WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
May 4, 2018 - 11:59am PT
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
May 4, 2018 - 12:28pm PT
Who is brighter, Contrailers or Flat Earthers? Can a person be both?
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
May 4, 2018 - 12:55pm PT
Good question Jon. I've sailed from Vancouver to Auckland and I never fell over the edge. Wonder where it is? As to 'chemtrails', just look at this picture from WW2. I guess we were spraying the Germans and they were spraying us. This picture is especially interesting because it shows the formation of condensation tracks from the low pressure tips of the propellers, forming a spiral pattern. Or maybe that's where the spray nozzles were; pretty tough to pump liquid out the ends of a spinning prop though........

On humid days you can occasionally see condensation trails at the corner of Formula 1 (and other series) rear wings for the same reason. I remember, when I was in junior high, making a cloud chamber to detect charged particles; it used a toilet plunger to reduce air pressure in an alcohol saturated atmosphere and the charged particles would leave condensation trails. Add a magnetic field for some spiral effects.

brotherbbock

climber
So-Cal
Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2018 - 01:17pm PT
Nice pic^^^^

Conspiracy in action.
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