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DtotheC
Trad climber
UK
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 28, 2016 - 03:36am PT
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Hi,
Can anyone recommend a camera suitable for taking on multipitch and big walls?
I am looking at the Panasonic TZ80 but am concerned it is too big.
I have been using a Nikon Coolpix s3000 which is a great size but a crap camera.
I want something that provides good quality but is compact to fit in a pocket or in the pouch in the Black Diamond Zodiac gear sling.
Any thoughts welcome.
Thanks, Duncan
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 28, 2016 - 07:25am PT
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Cameras change nearly weekly and it all depends on yer budget, which you didn't mention,
It's generally hard to go wrong with Nikon, Canon, Sony, Olympus or Panasonic if you spend
$300+. Fuji makes some really nice rigs but for a lot more. The Leica D-Lux is very nice, too,
for $1100.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Apr 28, 2016 - 07:44am PT
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Can a picture really steal your soul?
Answer:
At all times a person is broadcasting his energy. An intuitive person who knows how to tune in to another person’s broadcast can get information about the person. Energy contains information, and if you can receive it and translate it, you can know things about a person that they’ve never conveyed to you with word or deed.
When you take a picture of someone, you are taking a snapshot of their energy. A photo can be used as a tuning guide. It’s like someone saying, “This guy broadcasts on channel 101.7.” When I look at a photo, if I purposely open myself up to it, I can instantly receive a download of information about the person. Some of the information I can get from a photo includes financial situation, whether they are single or in a relationship, their level of self esteem, their connection to humanity, how well they express themselves to others, their level of connection with their own intuition, and how connected they feel to Source. And that’s just in the first 5 minutes. After that, I can use the energy in the photo to connect with their life story, so I can pick up details about their career field, accidents they had as a child, what kind of parental energy they were raised with, whether they are considering a career move and to what career, what their fears and worries are, what they struggle with, etc. Then I can tune in to their spirit guides to find out what they most need to know to help them on their path. That’s pretty much what happens when I do my intuitive readings.
So I would say that while a photo cannot capture your soul in the sense that you then no longer have a soul, a photo can capture your energy and transmit information about you to others. This is one way that a psychic detective can intuit the perpetrator of a crime by looking at mug shots of previous offenders, or by looking at photos of suspects.
So beware the camera if you are hiding something. A photo locks in your frequency and an intuitive can use it discern information about you. This doesn’t mean an intuitive can determine your deepest, darkest secret just from a photo. Things you shield and keep hidden will remain hidden. A photo is a window to your soul, but not a wide open door.
-Erin Pavliva
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cintune
climber
Colorado School of Mimes
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Apr 28, 2016 - 08:43am PT
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Newer phones have great cameras. Unless you don't use a phone it's a 2-for-1 weight and space saver.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Apr 28, 2016 - 08:46am PT
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Amazing!
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 28, 2016 - 08:51am PT
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Panasonic Lumix DMC ZS30 is my favorite point and shoot.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Apr 28, 2016 - 09:17am PT
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If you can find a good one, try to get a camera without the little shutter things that close over the lense. A bit of sand or lichen in there and they get stuck. I've had to have them taken off a few cameras.
In general, look for a point and shoot with wide angle capabilities and without sensitive lense cover things.
That's not specific, but something to consider.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 28, 2016 - 09:21am PT
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Crabby, try climbing less choss! ;-)
Gud advice actually although that rules out a lot of good rigs.
BTW, I've found DPReview.com to be pretty objective (pun intended) and Ken Rockwell is a
good man for camera beta. He also has a lot of good shooting beta.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Apr 28, 2016 - 09:37am PT
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A Tennessean named Webster had been watching him and he asked the judge what he aimed to do with those notes and sketches and the judge smiled and said that it was his intention to expunge them from the memory of man. .....
Webster: Well you've been a draftsman somewhere and them pictures is like enough the things themselves. But no man can put all the world in a book. No more than everthing drawed in a book is so.
Well said, Marcus, spoke the judge.
But don't draw me, said Webster. For I don't want in your book.
My book or some other book said the judge. What is to be deviates no jot from the book wherein it's writ. How could it? It would be a false book and a false book is no book at all.
You're a formidable riddler and I'll not match words with ye. Only save my crusted mug from out your ledger there for I'd not have it shown about perhaps to strangers.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 28, 2016 - 09:42am PT
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I have been using a Nikon Coolpix s3000 which is a great size but a crap camera.
That name 'coolpix' just sounds like "I'm lame." I'm sure you're PROBABLY not, since you are into walls, which tells me a lot about you and I HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED AT YOUR PIC.
There ya go, Pud, my man! :0)
I like Cosmic's choice. That cart sounds awesome. Where can I get one, Dwain?
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matty
Trad climber
under the sea
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Apr 28, 2016 - 10:09am PT
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You can take whatever you want. I've lugged a DSLR up several walls with an ultra-wide lens to get shots that just aren't possible with a tiny sensor.
I've even led aid with a DSLR clipped to my harness with a special suspension sling so I can hang the camera above me, set the timer, back off and get a shot from above of me on lead.
I've used a cell phone on a lot of trips too =) Point is...choose the tool best for the job and for your needs. Small and light or big n heavy just depends. One things for sure...I've never taken a DSLR on a free climb...yet;)
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nathanael
climber
CA
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Apr 28, 2016 - 10:32am PT
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iphone 6
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Apr 28, 2016 - 12:32pm PT
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A good small camera is the Canon S120
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2425503,00.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/2015-roundup-advanced-zoom-compacts/6
1.1" thick makes a huge difference for carrying.
Canon G9x with 1" sensor is nearly as small http://www.dpreview.com/products/canon/compacts/canon_g9x
You want:
 wide angle, such as 24 mm equiv
fast lens (S120 is 1.8 at 1x - 5.7 at 5x zoom)
big sensor, but almost always that will make the camera too big. I have a Panasonic Lx series which takes great pics, but even that is a little bigger than I really want to carry for climbing. The best with 1" sensor may be the Sony RX100 and Panasonic ZS100 but they are expensive and bigger.
Do not get a super-zoom with a small sensor and lens - they don't work well.
Other options - rugged, waterproof small point & shoots like
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-waterproof-cameras,review-2194.html
http://www.dpreview.com/products/fujifilm/compacts/fujifilm_xp90
Olympus TG-4 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2489662,00.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/products/olympus/compacts/oly_tg860
http://wickedcoolbite.com/accessories/10-toughest-waterproof-cameras-2015.html
I doubt if the rear pouch on the BD Zodiac gear sling is usable for any camera.
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matty
Trad climber
under the sea
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Apr 28, 2016 - 01:20pm PT
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If your looking for quality of pictures there are some really great micro 4/3 cameras (interchangeable lenses) out there but they are expensive. I know Nikon made a water proof system recently the nikon 1-AW1. It has been marked down big time and if you can still find it could be nice if you can get it cheap then not have to worry about it if a storm comes along.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Apr 28, 2016 - 01:43pm PT
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I took this photo with a Panasonic gf1. I figured it was big enough - with the UW housing - to shove in his mouth if he decided to bite.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Apr 28, 2016 - 01:53pm PT
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I know a pro who gets amazing results out of one of these Canon S1xxs. True, he really knows how to use it, but his pics are equal to many Nikon and Canon DSLRs.
Small and compact, light but portable. Sounds like a good recommendation.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Apr 28, 2016 - 02:00pm PT
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Matty, those are awesome wide eye shots! I agree, at times, it is worth bringing a full DSLR. If one is HAULING, I see why not, unless one is on some sort of 'every gram counts' ascent..
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 28, 2016 - 02:28pm PT
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Awesome shots Matty, I would never have the patience to set up those shots on lead!
I like Canon Powershot cameras but they end up failing. My brother gave me a Samsung because he lost the cable. I have been using it for a few years and love it, has held up better than the Canons. Go with something with a rechargeable lithium battery and buy a couple of spares, cheap on Ebay. AA batteries suck
I have broken two phone screens in the backcountry, I will not carry them now unless I might be in cell phone range while solo in the Grand Canyon. Even then it is wrapped up and out of reach.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Apr 28, 2016 - 03:11pm PT
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I've had pretty good luck with my Pentax WG-III.
Came with all kinds of "proof" phrases, but the "Adventure Proof" claim was begging for a test.
I've just had it clipped it to my harness and abused it. Works great has enough features to play with varying light/atmospheric conditions. Has an alarm clock which is cool. I did put a heavy screen protector on it.
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matty
Trad climber
under the sea
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Apr 28, 2016 - 03:15pm PT
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Beware of lens covers that will open when the camera is stowed. I used to have some Canon powershots where the lens got scratched because the stupid cover was about as strong as a leaf. I much prefer clip on lens covers now. For climbing I attach the lens cover with a string and stick a velcro on it as well as the side of the camera, that way the lens cap will never dangle in a shot, and I'll never drop it either.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Jun 19, 2016 - 11:56am PT
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Matty, nice shots. What lens did you use, and did you carry more than one lens on your big walls?
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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bump, and a related question --
if shooting climbers at the local crag, what would be a good (versatile) lens focal length for getting shots ... assuming the photographer has access only at the ground at at the top
I have a small kit, just a 17-40 zoom and 35 prime right now ... wondering if I would be better served with more range
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jul 15, 2018 - 02:35pm PT
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fumbledanotherone doH! bump,
thnx WyomingRockman, I used to have wild note books, The sort of things that covered what ever life needed to have written down.
Yesterdaze gnews,
If a thread is to burn it needs to take advantage of the vast diversity that the web allows for. I need to get links,I need to go study mfm, then try to keep the Flames burning
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Scole
Trad climber
Zapopan
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Jul 17, 2018 - 04:01pm PT
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I have been using a Leica D-lux 700 for the past 10 yrs or so. Its a bit pricey, but takes excellent, high res images. I swaged a cable loop for a tie in, and carry it on my chalk bag sling (tied with a water knot.I know: I'm going to die)with a leash.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jul 17, 2018 - 05:12pm PT
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If you want a durable, fairly high quality, not Leica priced camera, the Olympus TG5 is good.
For something less durable, but extremely high quality, Sony RX100.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Jul 17, 2018 - 06:58pm PT
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Well, I have had my picture taken with a big camera anyway, a pinhole camera made out of a 55 gallon cardboard drum using a 30"x 40" piece of photo paper for the medium. I'm the guy back row, second from the right, with our most recent art car, Rabid Transit.
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Scole
Trad climber
Zapopan
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Jul 19, 2018 - 12:20pm PT
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"not Leica priced". You get what you pay for. The optics are unbeatable, and I have used this camera hard for many years. I have had several other cameras suffer terminal failure during the same time period, but the Leica keeps on clicking.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jul 19, 2018 - 03:01pm PT
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My perspective on climbing cameras: shop around in the $200- $300 range at Costco or Fry's or other places with a selection of point and shoots. Do a bit of Internet comparisons, but don't get too hung up on perfection and specs. The favorite cameras I used happened to be Panasonic Lumix models.
The most important things that I appreciate in point and shoot climbing cameras:
1. cheap enough to not worry if you destroy it in a chimney, drop it, etc.
2. fast and easy to get it out and turn it on, or to turn it off and put it away, so you actually use it more
3. good optical zoom (this is the one major thing I feel missing while using iPhones these days)
4. good low light performance
5. built in pano/stitching support is nice
6. 2-5 second delay is nice to set camera on a rock and click the shutter and let vibrations die before the shutter opens.
7. very long shutter opening for night/star photography is nice. Some cameras let you manually dial a multi-second shutter speed, some just have fixed 15 and 30 second modes which are better than nothing.
The most important thing is to capture the moment, to have the camera out to get a shot when the light is nice, you have a cool frame with your partner in an interesting spot so it's not just the typical butt shot or top of the head shot, etc.
Next most important thing is to spend a tiny amount of time to learn the camera. Become familiar with quickly enabling the 2-3 second delay, changing white balance, turning flash on/off, picking a spot to set the light meter or focal length, modes to average out the light meter and focal length, macro mode, macro zoom, etc. You don't need to become a professional photography master, but just knowing a few things like what I said here takes the pictures up a notch from dumb point and shoot and makes even cameras in the $150 range produce great photos.
Most people aren't magnifying their photos for 24" x 36" posters... for screen display in trip reports and family sharing, and even normal prints, many cameras in the $200-$300 price range are going to be great.
I haven't bought a new climbing camera since I destroyed my last one... just use iPhones for the last few years. If I had more time to climb a lot again, I'd probably get a current version of the Panasonic Lumix for the nice optical zoom and familiarity of the features/interface.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jul 19, 2018 - 04:45pm PT
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I use a point and shoot as well as a Galaxy 7 but more but it's my Stashbandz that keeps me shooting on route. I noticed my wife jogging with one of these and the light went off.
I keep my phone stashed against my stomach above my harness. It also keeps cold air from going up my back.no, this is not me...
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Jul 19, 2018 - 11:41pm PT
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I think you are on the right track.
Canon has alot of nice compact cameras
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nopantsben
climber
europe
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Jul 20, 2018 - 12:10am PT
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Fuji X-E3 with the 28mm F2 lens is absolutely amazing. Fuji has lots of great affordable lenses and in the non-DSLR world, they are superior to Canon & Nikon for sure. Sony has good cameras too, like the A6000 series and the A7 series, but they are expensive.
The best thing about the Fuji for me is that they shoot such great jpg images with their superb internal conversion engine. I also have the fuji xt2, but when the primary objective is to climb and not to shoot, the X-E3 is the better choice. It's almost the same camera in a much smaller case.
Of course, an iphone 8 does some pretty good photos too, especially if used with some care. I don't think it's worth getting a $300 camera if you have a phone with a good camera on it.
edit: the photo above looked much better before uploading ;-)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 20, 2018 - 01:16am PT
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Olympus makes some burly models that you can also swim upstream to yer spawning grounds with.
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