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zBrown
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 12, 2016 - 10:30am PT
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The big controversy in Baja is whether to ban the practice.
The last one in the Monumental bullring in central Barcelona was September 25, 2011.
Has anyone asked for the opinions of any of the presidential candidates or any of the SuperiorTopians yet (I did not check the ST).
Would you approve if the audience just threw tomatoes at the bulls and then took them through a car wash?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 12, 2016 - 11:49am PT
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I guess I'll play. I like BS.
"THE BULL IS LOOSE!"
The event had a madcap moment when tournament mascot, "Titleist" the bull, got loose from his tether near the 16th green and roamed around the golf course for 20 minutes.
"Apparently he got stung by a wasp right on the nose," said spectator Mike Adams. "He was fine and then all of a sudden he rubbed his nose on the ground and on the tree where he's tied and then he rolled around on the ground snorting. He is normally totally mild-mannered and tame, but he just got agitated when he got stung."
Scoring official Bobby Wilson saw the whole thing unfold. "One minute Titleist was fine and the next he was haulin' ass down the fairway dragging his tethering rope behind him."
Chase Duncan - appropriately named for this misadventure - a sophomore finance major from N.C. State, met Titleist up close and personal.
"I was lining up a nine-inch putt for par on 17 and my playing partner, Mark Silvers from South Carolina, said 'Holy shit!' I looked up and it's running over the hill, about a hundred yards away from us and closing fast.
"So we start walking slowly in the opposite direction, but the bull made eye contact with me. I just saw the movie 'Jackass Number 2' where Johnny Knoxville gets knocked into next week by a bull and here I am with no rodeo clown or gate to jump over. All I remember next was thinking about those massive horns, so I bolted," he explains in between laughs.
"Thankfully the bull slowed down and turned away into the woods. Now I still have a nine-inch putt and I'm still petrified. I never shook over a nine-inch putt like that in my life," he said with a grin.
http://news.cybergolf.com/golf_news/knights_joust_noles_chop_bull_romps_at_hootie_at_bulls_bay
This has been a sort of recurring joke out at my dad's old country club, because often several bulls graze along one of the fence-lines on the back nine.
Johnny Knoxville's last cigarette
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucKLiVN54mk
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 12, 2016 - 12:23pm PT
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cintune
climber
Colorado School of Mimes
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Apr 12, 2016 - 12:59pm PT
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 12, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
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The bullfight bulls have it better than cattle raised to eat. By a long shot.
They're not crammed together in too-small lots, dragged around by tractors when they're lame, beaten with truncheons and cattle prods, have their horns sawed off, have to live standing and sleeping in their own sh#t, and marched in a line to what they must know is their execution.
Instead, bullfight bulls are pretty much left alone their whole lives. Until the Big Day, they live as free-range cattle with minimal human contact.
And bullfight bulls get to keep their balls.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2016 - 01:22pm PT
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A guy from my neighborhood became a matador. I believe he's on the east coast now. I'm gonna have to track him down for his thoughts.
His brother was a golfer and the fighter was actually an accomplished body surfer also. Go figure.
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thirsty
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Apr 12, 2016 - 06:22pm PT
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I have attended in Mexico. Sort of sad that people have found these sort of death spectacles so entertaining for so many thousands of years. The saddest part is the beginning when the assistants injure the bull so it can't lift its head anymore. (They aren't just pricking it to make it mad.) It is a relief when the matador finally kills it. Much sadder though is people willing to save a few bucks on meat and eggs by buying from producers who keep their animals confined their whole lives.
The acrobatic bull leaping from Minoan Crete is impressive.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 12, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
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Cintune! The Crete bull jumper frescos are fantastic!
Otherwise, up here in Idaho, Rodeo bull-riding gives the bulls a chance to get even with the cowboys again & again.
I love this photo from the Caldwell Idaho Rodeo, two years ago.
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EP
Trad climber
Way Out There
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Apr 12, 2016 - 07:02pm PT
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I attended two bullfights at the age of 17; the first was in Tijuana with the senior Spanish class and the second in Pamplona at th Running of the Bulls just two months later.
I don't remember the it one much, but after a week in Pamplona all alone I scored a ticket and went in on the last day. I was caught up in the hysterics of the spectacle and rose to my feet in excitement many times to shout "Ole! " with the crowd.
I loved it, but have never been back to a bullfight.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 12, 2016 - 07:26pm PT
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Pocoloco1, thanks for the link.
Bull fighting is one of several cultural practices that many are not familiar with in the U.S. and that our culture does not practice or always understand.
James A. Michener's book, "Mexico", gave me a good understanding of the once very popular sport of bull fighting. Today the sport is like many other cultural practices that are not accepted because of the changing times.
So be it, but it's good to understand the origins and remember the culture it came from.
edit: not about bull fighting but about early Mexico and the impact Spain had. "The Journey of the Flame" by Walter Nordhoff, good read.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 12, 2016 - 09:10pm PT
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I was entertained in the Tijuana Bullring in the early 90s.
Carlos Santana, "Regresa a Casa" show.
Bullfighting, or any fighting to the death for entertainment is uncivilized.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2016 - 09:21pm PT
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Should not the matadores be compelled to ride the bull before picadoring a fight with one?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 12, 2016 - 09:28pm PT
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All the while thinking, "Those estoopido Cretins."
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 12, 2016 - 09:56pm PT
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I was an aficionado from an early age, probably due to my grandfather's
connection to the St Patrick's Battalion in the Mexican-American War.
I worshipped El Cordobés.
I ran with the toros in Guadalupe, Spain, but it was not like the Pamplona
cluster. It was just me and a gachupine and one toro. Holy moly, that was
some kind of intense! El bravo almost got us both. Luckily we had better
traction on the cobblestones.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2016 - 07:52am PT
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^My friend Lyle gave El C a nod in the classic surf film Island Magic.
I don't recall whether they actually met.
I don't think he'll mind if I cut the segment out and put it on the ytube.
Stay tubed.
70+ year old statin scarfing, da-brimmed, SUPeeing hodad still active in the waterworld
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overwatch
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Arizona
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Apr 13, 2016 - 08:15am PT
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Haven't read thread, rooting for the bull
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 15, 2016 - 07:50pm PT
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Reilly, just finishing reading a super book called The Journey of the Flame by Walter Nordhoff. Really liked this book first published in 1933 and all about Baja Ca its desert plants, marine life, mule psychology, codes of honor,Mexican equestrian ability, customs and more. Enjoy, lynnie
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Apr 15, 2016 - 08:27pm PT
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His brother was a golfer and the fighter was actually an accomplished body surfer also. All somewhat complimentary pursuits . . . Throw in some autoracing, bullfighting and mountaineering, too.
I am bullfighting existence in general . . . So much happening on the Earth.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 15, 2016 - 10:12pm PT
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You gotta love a music video that starts with a long aerial shot of a bullring.
Here's the other ( now the only ) bullring in Tijuana:
The actual border is the fence the cars are parked against. I got the shots the day of the bullring's 50th anniversary.
I'd go see this guy and his horse:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 15, 2016 - 11:09pm PT
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Without los caballos it would very hard to deal with los toros.
Around here there are several times each year when the locals bring out their highly-trained and very valuable steeds to show them off, with choreographed steps and various tricks.
Such magnificent animals, maybe worth as much or more than the Ferdinands.
(And God rest old Ranger Ferdinand of Tioga Pass entrance station.)
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Apr 16, 2016 - 12:07am PT
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Show me more, Missouri!
How good was Rogers with a fly line?
With multiple rods?
Jeesh!
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Jim Clipper
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from: forests to tree farms
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Apr 16, 2016 - 12:30am PT
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maybe what I admire is that he wasn't really flashy, just exceptional
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overwatch
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Arizona
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Apr 16, 2016 - 06:45am PT
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Mr. Clipper that was really amazing thanks for posting that
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2016 - 07:03am PT
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Lynne mentioned BAJA as an interest, which she apparently shared with Erle Stanley Gardner. Funny way to spell Earle, but I guess they used their creative licenses.
Like the video this is rare
also
Off the Beaten Track in Baja
Hovering over Baja
Erle S. G and unidentified ladies at Rancho Del Paisano, able to write sans computer which was to be invented much later.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2016 - 07:15am PT
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I must point out that in Chaz' photos it is readily apparent that there is plenty of body surfing available in close proximity either in TJ or IB. Further on up the coast is the Sloughs, birthplace of California big wave riding (and respiratory illness).
Local hero Dempsey Holder, 1967 small day at the Soughs
NEXT:
Here's our neighborhood bullfighter in practice session in Lemon Grove before heading east.
No bulls were harmed in the making of this photo. The making of the horns, I can't vouch for.
And after some 61 encounters and a couple of retirements (1999, 2009) here is his take on it.
Unlike Michael Vick, he makes no apologies for his avocation and faces no incarceration on account of it. He also counts two dogs, two cats, a guinea pig and a fish as pets.
“I don't feel I really need to defend (bullfighting),” Rombold said. “It is what it is. It's been going on a long time. That doesn't make it right in a lot of eyes, but it's something that's ingrained in a lot of Latin cultures.
“I view it in a romantic aspect. Death is all around us. Yes, we do it for entertainment, to a point. But we're showing off this magnificent creature. . . . If it weren't for bullfighting, this animal might be extinct.”
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Twice, Rombold said, he has fought bulls that performed so admirably their lives were spared so that they might breed. With the others, he seeks to facilitate a warrior's end, invoking the Star Trek term “Klingon death” to convey its nobility, aiming to end it with a single sword thrust.
And Hemingway?
In “Death In The Afternoon,” first published in 1932, Ernest Hemingway approached bullfighting as art while acknowledging that, “from a modern moral point of view . . . the whole bullfight is indefensible.”
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2016 - 07:39am PT
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Next up, though technically out of alphabetic sequence:
Bowling and Bowling for dollars: It's practitioners and aficionados.
President's in the alley, he ain't got no shoes
Mouse is in the factory lookin' for the fuse
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plasticmullet
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Apr 16, 2016 - 08:55am PT
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I have seen extraordinary fights at the Bullring by the Sea; I have also seen complete disasters. With respect to the former, a rejoneador from Spain was awarded two ears and a tail for his skills. He was placing Six-inch long barbs at one point. The number of times he had the bull's horns intertwined with his mount's tail hair was incredible.
Then there was the fight where a truly massive bull fought so galantly it was awarded its life.
On the flip side, a team of bull wrestlers from Fresno made a mockery of the fight. About 10 guys were supposed to line up in a row and as the bull charged, they would try and tackle the bull to a stop. I asked later and they evidently practiced by attaching a set of bull horns to a motorcycle, which they would then drive into the above mentioned line of wrestlers. The day I was there their plan of attack did not play out as expected. The lead wrestler, whose job it was to jump on the bull's head, instead jumped on a horn full charge. With every subsequent step the bull took, blood would gush from the wound. It was a horrific gore. Dude later died at the hospital.
I hope they do not ban.
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overwatch
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Arizona
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Apr 16, 2016 - 09:01am PT
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I hope they do not ban.
Thanks for weighing in. Taking a break from pulling the wings off butterflies?
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Juan Maderita
Trad climber
"OBcean" San Diego, CA
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Apr 16, 2016 - 12:02pm PT
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zBrown,
Thanks for your post on Rombold. Interesting, as I grew up in Chula Vista and went to the same high school (some years later). Brought back my childhood recollections of watching him bullfight in Tecate. Peter was a teenager, dreaming of becoming a matador.
Your mention of the slough was interesting too. I frequently bodysurfed the Tijuana Slough/Boca Rio around 1968-1970. Somehow survived the runoff from the Tijuana River!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2016 - 02:09pm PT
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say hey Juan.
Pete lived right near First and J St. and around the corner was another guy who lived a good life and then a couple of years ago decided to jump off the Coronado Bridge, not far from all the murals he was so instrumental in getting restored.
If you're out there in OB, say hey to Marudas and watch out for those OB Longhorns.
"Nothing good ever lasts", eh.
http://obhotel.com/ocean-beach-web-cam
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 19, 2016 - 09:38pm PT
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Apr 20, 2016 - 07:08am PT
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That Will Rodgers roping video was amazing!
Bullfighting in this age is a celebration of stupidity and cruelty. What's worse is that even if the population of many regions of Spain is solidly against it, the Ministry of "Culture" keeps trying to force it down our throats.
Tax euros supporting keeping arenas that are only 10% full running so that corrupt politicans can go out with their mistresses, and so that tourists who have taken Hemingway too much to heart can get a "taste of the real Spain".
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overwatch
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Arizona
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Apr 20, 2016 - 07:37am PT
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so that corrupt politicians can go out with their mistresses, and so that tourists who have taken Hemingway too much to heart can get a "taste of the real Spain".
If only they could gird themselves to emulate his chosen departure
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