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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 31, 2016 - 06:33am PT
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Lol..yep... they were convinced the apple flagship will protect them..
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 31, 2016 - 06:37am PT
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I want one of those watches..
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 06:44am PT
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Milktoast:
It is in the hardware --
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Mar 31, 2016 - 07:05am PT
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I wonder if they really cracked it, or if that was a face saving lie (?)
Sort of like classic soviet era propaganda,; "Ve had hydrogen bomb first"
We'll never know, but they sure are tight lipped on details!
...I aint buyin' it!
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 31, 2016 - 07:22am PT
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I wonder if they really cracked it, or if that was a face saving lie (?)
Of course they didn't.
Only clumsy n00bs drop iPhones to the pavement and crack them open .....
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Mar 31, 2016 - 07:24am PT
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All signs seem to indicate that they used a hardware weakness that was addressed 2 generations ago.
Maybe people aren't buying the latest and greatest just bc it's shiny and new.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 31, 2016 - 07:54am PT
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The only reason I'm buying a new one is that the old one doesn't work worth a sh!t.
That's logical, isn't it? Oh, and I also know how to use it, sort of.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Mar 31, 2016 - 08:13am PT
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The FBI cracking the phone? Actually, that's on route, imo. Crack away. Forcing Apple to do it for them? No.
Apple will double down on the crypto technology in some forthcoming product release and sooner or later this lawsuit will be resumed.
Sneak peak into what's coming... Good eye.
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James Wilcox
Trad climber
Goleta/Virginia Lakes
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Mar 31, 2016 - 08:51am PT
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If the FBI admitted to out-sourcing the iPhone to a local high school I might find their claim more credible. In-house? No way.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Mar 31, 2016 - 08:56am PT
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If you honestly think the nsa couldn't break this phone you are delusional. It was all about getting the public to support this request for "security".
Therefore making it commonplace for the average citizen that the govenment can and will hack phones and to make this information illegally obtained admissible in court.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Mar 31, 2016 - 09:11am PT
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Apple now says that the usual thing is for hackers to tell them how the iPhone was hacked, so that they can fix the flaw.
Yeah, right.
Apple flips the FBI the bird, and now Apple wants the FBI to get cozy with them.
It doesn't matter what the FBI says. The company, Cellubrite is based in Israel and is owned by a Japanese corporation.
For $15,000, Cellubrite opened the San Bernardino phone.
How much will they charge the Chinese government to open up a dissident's phone?
How much will they charge Apple for the secret to how they did it?
Israeli Cellubrite said to have opened iPhone for the FBI
FBI paid $15,000 to access iPhone
Cellubrite stock has risen dramatically, in the past week or so, since it first became known that the company was involved in defeating the iPhone's security system.
Aftermarket encryption programs already exist that render Cellubrite's method obsolete.
The San Berdoo Doofus was too stoopid to use additional encryption.
Oh, wait. Maybe the FBI now has access to a secondarily encrypted massive database, listing all the members and plots of ISIS, Al Queda and the rest of the world's terrorists.
But, they can't read it.
Maybe the San Berdoofus wasn't so stoopid, after all.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 31, 2016 - 09:13am PT
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^^^ Uh, and who made the chips? Like they don't know how?
In other words, the Chinese gubmint knows full well.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 31, 2016 - 09:30am PT
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I was delusional before my doppio. Now I'm gud!
But my Apple stock is down. :-(
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Mar 31, 2016 - 09:51am PT
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I won't respect the FBI until they follow up on heir promise to third strike my cat murdering ex housemate!
Pyro and Dingus McGee... now there's a tech team!
Too funny!
Posted on iPhone, don't peek!
Well iPad really, but the phone is in my lap,irradiating my naughty bits...
Edited on iPhone
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:29am PT
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I don't think the FBI thing had anything to do with national security,. In this Trump era we live in a time of Base Instinct Agrandizement. They, the FBI, wanted to play along and be the biggest dicks on the block. When apple refused them, and they had no legel basis to pursue this further, they declared themselves the winner (& whiner) took their ball and went Home. The beauty of this plan is that neither they, nor the company that did the alleged hack, can ever be forced to prove they did so. Or did anything at all.
" we're the best because we told you so, suckers,"
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 10:30am PT
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Pyro and Dingus McGee... now there's a tech team!
I am no tech weenie. I have been last in the group to get anything and everything here except maybe FFA's?
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 10:38am PT
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The israeli that did the hack job sold his skills far to cheap.
Once General Dynamics had a guidance control problem and hired my bother. His cost: More than 1 year of his college faculty salary for a short amount of work.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:42am PT
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I agree with DMT about privacy.
The truth is there is no secure device. It's like a bike lock. Someone can always come with the bolt cutters or angle grinder and kill that lock.
If they want your data they will get it, so I find the best policy is to act accordingly. Assume everything on anything operated by 1's and 0's is accessible.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 10:45am PT
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Jaybro,
I know you are sometimes unemployed and have tried narrative writing but you have potential as a Conspiracy Theorist Writer. It seems the repubs always need something like a Conspiracy Theory to jolt rational thinking and to keep the Demos looking better than they pan out.
Apple is Crapple: they lied to you. Enjoy your bloody A hole. Bend over we serve grease with the fool proof phone --soon coming out.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:48am PT
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Since 1979 I have only had SIX computers
That's probably the same for me and I'll bet you a large sum that mine in
total didn't cost what two of yours did and they did the same damn thing-
waste lots of time. Oh, wait, I almost forgot, mine also made me money
and the software I needed wouldn't run on an Apple. Now, of course, it
would but, again, I would have to spend 3x what a good Intel costs.
I'm glad you enjoy yer Koolaid.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:51am PT
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Um, It's been some years since I've been unemployed Dingus... Maybe you're thinking confusing me with someone else....
It seems you just described your own retirement job.
And I'm sure Reilly, that you enjoy taking six times as long to do anything with your computers.its your past time, after all.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 10:54am PT
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Rilley,
Apple is for people that cannot figure out anything except how to lay down the credit card.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:57am PT
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Jaybro, you've seen me work? Really? I actually type pretty fast!
This post only took me four or five minutes!
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 10:59am PT
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Jaybro,
maybe I did get you confused with Goat Boy Smells, Wes Fox or possibly Jay Jerkowitz?
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Mar 31, 2016 - 11:15am PT
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That's probably the same for me and I'll bet you a large sum that mine in
total didn't cost what two of yours did and they did the same damn thing-
waste lots of time. Oh, wait, I almost forgot, mine also made me money
and the software I needed wouldn't run on an Apple. Now, of course, it
would but, again, I would have to spend 3x what a good Intel costs.
I'm glad you enjoy yer Koolaid.
What anti-virus software do you like these days? What does that cost--besides being a pain in the ass? Apple costs more for the same reason a Porsche costs more than a Yugo.
Curt
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Mar 31, 2016 - 11:16am PT
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Apple is for people that cannot figure out anything except how to lay down the credit card.
And for people who actually like having things that work.
Curt
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 11:53am PT
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Apple costs more for the same reason a Porsche costs more than a Yugo.
That crap, big crap. Why are they sitting on $200 billion? They have tailored a group of bend over receivers that can rationalize anything [expense] from the sales pitch and made them dedicated believers.
Do some rational economic analysis: you are paying to much for the product.
DMT:
I have an ipad6. Great for getting on the internet. Photo Skins tones -- unreal-- pure flattery. Not very good at complicated cut & paste of text. Even expert Jaybro could not figure out how to do the
transfer. But then another Apple expert said you cannot do that with apple.
No better than my Dell Windows 8 compact laptop. With the Dell I can access all my Rs232 connected gadgets without have to put a router on them. Both computers do a good job emulating my HP48GX.
Why am I do down on Apple--they sold by lying a security system they never had. Evidence: that phone could not have been hacked if security was soo good. It is as old trick IBM did with Control Data.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Mar 31, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
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As Bo Diddley said "you can't judge a book by it's cover".
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Mar 31, 2016 - 12:23pm PT
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That crap, big crap. Why are they sitting on $200 billion? They have tailored a group of bend over receivers that can rationalize anything [expense] from the sales pitch and made them dedicated believers.
Do some rational economic analysis: you are paying to much for the product.
They are sitting on $200 billion (or whatever their current cash level is) precisely because many people agree with me. Here is some rational economic analysis for you:
"Fair market value is the price at which a product or service would change hands between a willing buyer and a willing seller, neither being under any compulsion to buy or to sell and both having reasonable knowledge of relevant facts."
Economics 101
Curt
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 31, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
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How much will they charge Apple for the secret to how they did it?
There's no 'secret' of any kind around how Cellebrite cracked the phone - apple knows exactly how they did it, so does most of the tech community involved with this aspect of physical device security at the chip level, i.e. it's a well-known technique, it just requires precision.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 31, 2016 - 01:00pm PT
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The sh#t just works better than PC's. Or Droids.
I've used them both, and Apple is waaaay better.
YMMV, obviously.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 01:29pm PT
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Curt,
forget: Economics 101? I see your learning ended here?
The law of supply is a fundamental principle of economic theory which states that, all else equal, an increase in price results in an increase in quantity supplied.[1] In other words, there is a direct relationship between price and quantity: quantities respond in the same direction as price changes. This means that producers are willing to offer more products for sale on the market at higher prices by increasing production as a way of increasing profits.[2]
Note this law says nothing about quality [except maybe all else equal ]. Reliable quality of information on the quality of a product is as hard as ever to obtain in this web page culture of self proclaimed authorities. Such info is useful in making rational microeconomic decisions.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 01:48pm PT
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DMT,
yes, the ipad works fine taking it over the same routine daily. But When I do some thing wrong[program drivers and all together] and get error code 32 on the Pc I can google it, find fixes and be back on track. With Apple it just hangs up and Apply people just say, oh apple can't do that.
The Apple computer offers No lead as to the problem encountered. Yes, there may be apple people out there like you say [that know it all] but most of the time asking apple people advice is like someone trying to get direction in Mexico from a local.
As werner has said; YMMV So if you get the service level you seek at a rational cost. Great.
My complaint is falsifying phone security. Apple is well known for sending fixes later on a not-yet-fully-developed operating system... whose properties they are already selling.
Don't be bashing HP handheld calculators. They were the best ever... you know RPN, Forth etc. They are worth emulating. As for HP laptops -- thumbs down. As for Dell -- My brother outfitted his EE lab with some 25 --a lont time ago. Dell has gotten a better position in the herd since then.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 02:04pm PT
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fivethirty,
yes googling is really fun with no lead.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 02:22pm PT
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fivethirty,
if I was a contractor I'd get a sweet Makita, not a Ryobi .
You are so fukkking clueless -- I suppose you seen the pic of me holding the ryobi and generalized that that is what I use.
see: A Drill-Off Challenge: 18v Makita vs. 36v Bosch on this site by Dingus McGee. I was first on the block to have the 18v Makita -- excuse me you probably had shitty diapers on then.
Do your research dude!
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 02:38pm PT
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fivethirty,
for me Ryobi opened the door for dilling enough holes in the back country per day so show some route production. I starting getting asthma from motor smoke and Ryobi parts were no longer available for those drill models.
The Chinese made a 6Ah 18v Makita fitting battery will drill an abundance of holes and no smoke. I have a fleet of 30 Makita batteries and even used them in series to power an ebike.
The Makita 18v beat the Bosch 36v drilling holes vertically in quartzite on three test.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Mar 31, 2016 - 03:37pm PT
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Dingus, my point is that if Apple products were "overpriced"--as you claim, people would not buy them. Citing the relationship between price and quantity is quite pointless without also including demand.
The most basic laws in economics are the law of supply and the law of demand. Indeed, almost every economic event or phenomenon is the product of the interaction of these two laws. The law of supply states that the quantity of a good supplied (i.e., the amount owners or producers offer for sale) rises as the market price rises, and falls as the price falls. Conversely, the law of demand (see demand) says that the quantity of a good demanded falls as the price rises, and vice versa. (Economists do not really have a “law” of supply, though they talk and write as though they do.)
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Supply.html
Curt
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Mar 31, 2016 - 03:51pm PT
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2014 Prius
Curt
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 31, 2016 - 06:34pm PT
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The Internet told me to go to Apps&Data. Where is it???
Dude, where you been? Apps&Data is between Romania and Bulgaria.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 31, 2016 - 06:43pm PT
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it's right fukking here
Yeah, but he needs to know where it is on his phone.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 07:11pm PT
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Ekat,
You too easy with your compliments and giving them out to yuppies?
I test drove a prius and Rav 4 in 2009. The choice is quite simple for offroad use.
In Jan 2015 I build an electric bike from scratch. Since the bike got rolling wheels, I have put 5 tanks of gas in the Rav4 and most of these were for hauling the bike to the rugged 2-track for accessing remote climbing areas. 56.6 mph top speed and about 40 mile range at 30mph. It can move on flat no wind at about 12wh/mi grace fully packing my big ass at 12 mph.
Now Curt cannot petal his green unit when tank is empty and battery is dead. But you cannot criticize a guy for the clothes he wears even if they miss some marks?
the bike is a dopamine machine. No need for anandamide.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Mar 31, 2016 - 07:58pm PT
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Apple and employment
100,000 -- Apple's direct employees
2 million -- Number of U.S. jobs Apple is responsible for, including 1.4 million in the iOS app economy
1.46 million -- Number of European jobs Apple is responsible for, including 1.2 million in the iOS app economy
4.4 million -- Number of jobs Apple is responsible for in China, including at least 1.4 million in the iOS app economy
Source: Apple
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Mar 31, 2016 - 09:18pm PT
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I walk in the door and my iPhone syncs over wifi, my wife's and my photos are on both our phones and on our apple TV for the big screen. Super simple to setup. Almost never have issues. I tap facetime and video conference my parents or inlaws, and I didn't have to do anything to help them set it up. I have some android devices too and they are good but not in the same league. A lot of it is what's the value of your time. I could probably setup the android devices to do what the apples easily do, but that would take time. I'd rather pay a little more and have apple's well usually well designed software do it for me. Siri works pretty good especially for calendar appointments and directions.
The android apps crash a lot more and require more frequent reboots. My apple devices run for months a time without a reboot.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Mar 31, 2016 - 09:55pm PT
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Even expert Jaybro could not figure out how to do the transfer I couldn't cut and paste?
Now you're making shitup, or remembering it, " your way."
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Degaine
climber
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new world order 2 wrote:
What are you sheeple (or more likely your children) gonna do when you have an RFID implanted in your head,
and the powers that be are downloading whatsoever they choose to?
I'll ask them to kindly upload into my head the ability to play drums like this:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Apple pays chip makers top dollar which is what your paying for.. quality
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2016 - 07:50am PT
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DMT:
GTC: To put the Nail though Coffin -- Apple LIED.
All other facts of however good their products are/was cannot erase the overstatement they made about their security.
address the issue? Why would a company quite far ahead of rest of the pack even need to say such crap as invincible security? I guess they could come out and admit saying such crap talk was done to avert would be hackers knowing very well how lousy their security really was?
Curt there is a college major Marketing usually in the College of Business that is all about manipulating product and public image. It about how to sell your product -- fool the consumer -- and it works. Quality/$$ exits only to those with the skills to ferret out the imposters and make real measurements.
It has been enjoyable seeing a bunch of adults squirm and wiggle inside that Apple coffin advancing every argument conceivable to sustain some image of Apple but grossly fail to address what has gone on.
Welcome to the world of Rationalizations
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zBrown
Ice climber
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All those folks working to make a product that shares photos well most of the time. Fukkkin' amazing.
Apple is the single most responsible entity for the proliferation of ".MP3"
For this alone they should be punished at least equally with all those women having abortions.
-D. Trump
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Today in History: Apple Computer was founded
By The Associated Press
POSTED: 04/01/16, 3:37 AM PDT | 0 COMMENTS
Today is Friday, April 1, the 92nd day of 2016. There are 274 days left in the year. This is April Fool’s Day.
TODAY’S HIGHLIGHTS IN HISTORY:
On April 1, 1976, Apple Computer was founded by Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Ronald Wayne.
When I first came to Ca I rented a duplex in Mtn View owned by Steve Jobs parents. I would often stop by their Los Altos home to pay my rent. I often saw the "boys" tinkering. Who knew????
Susan
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monolith
climber
state of being
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No, Apple never said it was unbreakable. They said they shouldn't be compelled to break it by the government.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2016 - 11:25am PT
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five thirty,
...but it's basically always false
I totally agree with the above declaration but I would avoid putting myself on hearsay substantiation about what some company would or would not do.
So much so that I doubt Apple actually said that.
you are quite a hedger -- you make me laugh
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2016 - 11:34am PT
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DMT,
perhaps you could tell me how you got the line of bullshite you posted in the thread:
Terrorism: When it come to terrorism unlock the iphone.
about how secure the Apple iphone was with its encryption etc and the need for you to have secure data?
Monolith:
No, Apple never said it was unbreakable.
Could you give me the database of all Apple has said so as to substantiate your use of never . Or are you just blowing out your A?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 11, 2016 - 11:52am PT
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So despite my misgivings the missus and I decided to get new iPhones. I
backed both the oldies up via iTunes to the puter. Got the new phones and went
to restore them but only the missus' got restored as somehow my old phone's
backup data went POOF! No trace of it. Thanks, Apple!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 11, 2016 - 02:38pm PT
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Through iTunes onto the desktop. I just had a knott in my stomach
walking into the Apple Store knowing something was wrong, besides
laying out almost 2K for a couple of freaking phones. It seemed that
the backups went smoothly although, of course, there's no way to check
other than doing another backup which, in hindsight, would have been
WAAY TO EASY AND SMART! DOH!
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Mar 18, 2018 - 10:19am PT
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I bought a new computer. All my music is on my iphone. I want to download my music TO my itunes on my new computer. F*cking itunes doesn't seem to allow this. The only option seems to be to erase my iphone's library and download music from my computer.
If there's a way to do this via itunes, I'll do it. But I really hate itunes. If someone can recommend a free, user-friendly music manager, I'm interested.
Foobar2000 looks decent.
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seano
Mountain climber
none
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Mar 18, 2018 - 10:50am PT
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Sorry, iTunes treats your phone as a read-only cache for music, so the data only goes one way. That works for most people, but it's very much not what you want. If I were you, I'd use Foobar 2000 or whatever to pull the music off your phone, then add it all back to iTunes, and sync your phone. As bad as iTunes on Windows may be, it will probably be easier than using random third party stuff.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Mar 18, 2018 - 12:51pm PT
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Apple koolaid, yummy stuff I guess.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Mar 18, 2018 - 01:51pm PT
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BITD I went with an apple phone over android and have generally been happy with that decision. At the time, the touch screen was much better and it was generally took less fussing. It either supported something and it was simple or you couldn't do it and there was no bother. Android seemed like you could do anything but everything was at least a minor hassle.
iTunes and it's read only approach to smart phones was designed as a commerce decision, to prevent copyright violation and piracy and to drive sales to the music store.
But iTunes is really annoying and glaring exception to the easy to use apple approach. I uploaded some music I had on CDs to iTunes to get it on my phone, but I never bought any songs through iTunes. I'm glad with that decision.
I suppose in general iTunes has worked out for Apple. It certainly didn't in my case. For music on my phone I'm doing Google Play, mostly because it also gives you YouTube without advertisements.
The last time I bought a tablet, I wanted the lightest weight tablet for the given screen size and I wanted to be able to copy old movies that I had on my hard drive so I could watch them on the airplane offline. I would have gone with Apple, but there is no way in hell I was going to deal with iTunes when android let me plug the tablet in and drag and copy my movies over.
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healyje
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Portland, Oregon
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Mar 18, 2018 - 03:42pm PT
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Cellebrite, the Israeli folks the FBI contracts with, is using either a) a recently found software exploit in 11.2.x to bypass security features or b) disabling the passcode retry count in hardware or software and then applying a brute force attack on the passcode.
The exploit and software retry disabling will go away in 11.3.x and I suspect defenses against the hardware hack on the retry count will get doubled up in the iPhone 9 on.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 18, 2018 - 03:45pm PT
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How they gonna hack yer iPhone unless yer on an unsecured wifi?
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Mar 18, 2018 - 03:52pm PT
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*Apple is Crapple
Yeah, they make real lousy products.
I bought an Iphone 4 in 07, then a 5, a 6, and two weeks ago bought my wife and I Iphone 8 Pluses, really lucked out when everything transferred over perfectly using Itunes backup.
No doubt they will prove to be crappie as our MacBook Air laptops have been.
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