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ecdh
climber
the east
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If the results are true, how does it vindicate your position when the numbers clearly show otherwise? Ie more accomplished climbers do supplementary training.
To note, i thought is was an odd way way of surveying for what you wanted, but hey ho. Still generated not unuseful data.
For what its worth i think climbing is the best training for itself only if its done as training, ie deconstructed into its applicable elements. If its not or if conditions dont allow (ie a virtual environment can be safer or more efficient than a real one sometimes) then its a pale second.
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2016 - 06:36pm PT
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Many you people bring up excellent points and I don't have answers to all of your questions. Let me try to take it another way: If I wanted to get insights into how good boxers train I would first find good boxers. Next, I would look for boxers that train a lot, then I would ask them what they do to train. To find a good boxer I need to differentiate between boxers. I would look at how much natural talent/athletic ability they have and see how well they do with that talent. If they have below average talent/athletic ability but won a lot of amateur bouts, I would consider them a good boxer. If they had average talent/athletic ability and they won a lot of semi pro bouts, I would consider them a good boxer. If they had above average talent/athletic ability and won a lot of pro bouts, I would consider them a good boxer. Most likely a below average boxer would not win a lot of professional bouts but he could still be considered a good boxer. Now if an above average boxer were to win only amateur bouts I wouldn't consider them a good boxer. (I am hoping you can see how this might correlate to my assigning a below athletic ability climber a 5.11b etc) Like I said, I wanted to get insights into how a good climber trains. I could have used just the criteria I described above and figured if you are a good boxer you probably trained quite a bit but I also thought it might be useful to define how much you train so I came up with a minimum of 3 days a week training. So now I have selected good boxers who train a lot. Now I want to find out what they do to train. Is the most common training just going out and boxing 3 days a week or is it the most common training to box and strength/weight/endurance train 3 days a week. Notice I didn't say the best way to train but what is the most common way to train to be a good boxer. Does anyone see what I am trying to get at. I really don't know if there is any other way to describe what I am trying to do. Maybe I am all wet and the results I am getting mean nothing, but at least I tried.
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2016 - 06:40pm PT
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If the results are true, how does it vindicate your position when the numbers clearly show otherwise? Ie more accomplished climbers do supplementary training.
Like I said I hate lifting/weights/endurance/power training so figured if 36% of good climbers don't do those things, that's good enough for me. (I'll probably stay a lousy climber and decide, at some point, to climb "just for fun") Maybe when I hit 80 - only 8 years away)
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2016 - 06:44pm PT
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You came up with a theory, then developed a survey that was designed with the theory in mind and therefore was inherently biased toward confirming it. Surprise, you get results that confirm your theory. Great, pat yourself on the back, you were right all along
Did you read the survey? I don't see how you could call it "inherently biased". Can you tell me how you came to this conclusion?
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WBraun
climber
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Why do you tax your brain?
They say Americans came from monkeys.
Thus you should already be able to climb naturally.
WTF happened to you ....... ?
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2016 - 06:48pm PT
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Locker: "Born in Philadelphia of Italian descent, served in World War II as an airplane mechanic.[2] went to New York and later to Miami where he learned many of the strategies of a boxer's cornerman while acting as a "bucket man" to the great trainers of Stillman's Gym. There, his mentors included Charlie Goldman, Ray Arcel and Chickie Ferrera."
You are correct. I didn't look at all the things that make a boxer good.
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John M
climber
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most understand what you want to achieve. Some just don't think your methods are all that good. For instance, its very easy to game those survey sites. Someone posted an explanation and then deleted it, but its easy. sometimes as easy as simply emptying your computers cache. Other times it involves deleting a websites cookies. Plus there are many other methods.
Beyond that, if people get annoyed with you, as some here have because they don't know you and you have insulted some people, then people will simply lie.
So you are a bit naive.
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On a side note. over the years lots of people have said no one climbs hard on this forum. It was often kind of funny because they would be complaining on a thread started by someone like John Long or John Bachar.
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Second side note. Lots of folks have come on this forum who were a bit naive about how people on forums interact on the internet. Including me.
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2016 - 06:53pm PT
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Why do you tax your brain?
They say Americans came from monkeys.
Thus you should already be able to climb naturally.
WTF happened to you ....... ?
WBraun I guess I don't have much better things to do these days with the rain so I am "taxing my brain"
I do have a bit of natural ability, but not much. Let's say the monkey I evolved from was physically challenged. But one thing I attempt to do is try to use what little talent I have to the best of my ability
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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You must be a higher level climber
I've climbed class 5 at 14,000'. Does that make me a higher level climber?
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2016 - 07:19pm PT
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John M: Beyond that, if people get annoyed with you, as some here have because they don't know you and you have insulted some people, then people will simply lie
John M: Can you give me insights as to how my "insults" have brought such a curse on me?
I went thru all my recent posts and came up with the following that could remotely be considered insulting and, if I did insult people, I am truly sorry.
I took a poll of SuperTopo and people who use their real name post more valuable information. People who are ananymous post more bull sh-t.
I rest my kase
TradHog and eKat, you guys should have been geniuses. You got me figured out.
Someone suggested that this thread would go big but I doubt it cause this thread contains no substance. It reminds me a lot of Donald Trump. A lot of playground banter and no substance.
I really don't mean to add fuel to you people's apparent fire but I really don't understand much of what has been said here and I haven't gotten your jokes. (Left hand???) Are you doubting that I am a real person? If you want to meet me, I'll be climbing at Pipeworks in Sacramento tomorrow morning. Come on in and I'll give you the free pass I have for March. Bring your Harness and we'll climb together. Just ask for John the "elderly" individual. If you search for johnr9q on Supertopo you will see the kinds of things I post and should be able to determine I am not a Troll.
The following was insulting to drljefe, rottingjohnny, Reilly, and locker so I guess John M is correct and I apologize. I was attempting to make a joke but I guess it backfired on me
Okay, Okay, Now I understand. You all educated me and now I love this place. I will never climb again. I will sit here forever. I must figure out how to do what others do so well. I will keep telling myself, "I am not a loser, I am not a loser". I am a winner. (am I improving) I will try as hard as I can. This is Heaven. I must change my name to drljefe or rottingjohnny or Reilly or maybe even locker. Oh nuts, those are already taken. I am trying my hardest but probably not even close. My life will never be the same. I doubt that this is very good. I doubt this is very entertaining. I will try to do better. I know I can do better. Maybe I am really stupid and a loser. (fades off into the sunset) where he belongs. I must go play Pacman with my grandkids. This was not written by me. I don't know who johnr9q is. Maybe he doesn't exist.
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2016 - 07:21pm PT
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I am tired and "I will fight no more forever"
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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I must change my name to drljefe or rottingjohnny or Reilly or maybe even locker.
I'd say "Don Quixote" might be more appropriate.
This morning I posted some methods to "defeat" and skew Surveymonkey, but deleted it. IMO, there's no point in trying to "educate" you, as you are not very open to anything that doesn't fit your limited view.
And while I'm typing, if you don't understand why some people prefer to be "anonymous" here, I'm NOT going to tell you :-)
edit - I can explain how to use Surveymonkey, so that you don't allow just anyone on the internet in on your survey, but you'll have to be interested.
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John M
climber
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Its the internet. Its a pack, a gang and your first day at a new high school all rolled into one. You can't show weakness. Naiveté is weakness. whining is weakness. doing the "poor me" is weakness. Sarcasm can be dangerous ground.
You scored big with the thumb photos. Someone took pity on you and dragged those out. So realize that you have people here pulling for you. But being dumb about computers on the internet is dangerous ground. Combining that with any insults is quicksand. Arguing with someone about your methods when you don't actually know what you are dong is also not a good idea. You never know just who you will piss off. So walk a bit softer and you will be alright. Your age doesn't get you anything on the internet but perhaps derision for being dumb about computers.
Plus people like the taco.. so insulting the taco can be a bad idea, unless and until you know the players.
And remember.. if you don't know the person you are talking to.. then you have no real idea about what they have or haven't accomplished. We have high level scientists, high level climbers, high level athletes, high level doctors, successful businessmen and all kinds of other people here, including very high level dirtbags. ( that was a joke ) It is a pretty interesting mix of people.
Locker was a successful high level photographer who likes to joke. He also does a damn good job repairing climbing shoes.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Hi John Arnignque-
You haven't offended me.
Have I offended you? Hope not.
I guess this should be in one of your other threads, the "anonymous" one, but....
Would you mind saying who the "real name" posters were in your poll?
I don't consider myself anon. Do you?
Do you consider yourself anon?
Just wondering.
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