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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 25, 2016 - 04:24pm PT
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Lyme disease is a serious risk for those of us spending a lot of time out of doors. Basic prevention is tucking pant legs into socks, checking several times a day for ticks onboard, and spraying Permethrin on external clothing.
Ticks like warm, fuzzy places, so a small hand mirror is an important item to include in your kit.
Permethrin is nasty stuff, so the preferred method of use is to hang up outer clothing away from camp, spraying the clothing and shoes, and then letting it dry and air out overnight before wearing.
10 Important Ways to Avoid Summer Tick Bites
By Tia Ghose, Staff Writer | June 06, 2014 03:01pm ET
Ticks seek out a host by hanging on to a blade of grass with their rear legs and holding their front legs aloft, waiting for something to brush by so they can grab on. This behavior is called "questing."
Credit: CDC
Editor's Note: This story was updated at 4:50 p.m. ET:
It's summertime, which means outdoor play, hiking, gardening — and tick bites. The creepy crawlies tend to latch on during the summer months and these arachnids are ubiquitous throughout the U.S.
But tick bites are more than just an annoying spring and summer nuisance. Each year, about 300,000 people in the U.S. catch Lyme disease, which is caused by bacteria, from a tick bite, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates. Thousands more develop tick-borne diseases such as the malarialike disease babesiosis, the flulike anaplasmosis and the Heartland virus infection.
But people can take steps to avoid the nasty critters, beyond the old-standby advice to cover up and avoid tall grass, experts say. From wood chips to a quick ride in the dryer, here are 10 ways to avoid tick bites. [Gross! Watch a Tick Bite in Action]
1. Repel the bugs
Insecticides can be used to repel ticks, said Thomas Mather, a public health entomologist at the University of Rhode Island, and the director of tickencounter.org.
Permethrin, the insecticide found in antimalarial bed nets, kills adult ticks as well as those in their larval stage, called nymphs, which are the likeliest to harbor Lyme disease.
Ideally, people should buy permethrin-treated clothing, socks and shoes, Mather said.
By contrast, evidence suggests that the more common bug spray chemical, N,N-Diethyl-meta-toluamide (DEET), isn't useful against ticks.
"It's not toxic to the ticks," Mather told Live Science. "They still can scurry across a DEET-treated surface, and get to places where the DEET is not," such as a warm human leg, he said.
2. Be vigilant at home
Hiking and camping aren't the most common ways to catch a tick-borne disease, said Kirby Stafford III, the state entomologist at The Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station and the author of the "Tick Management Handbook."
"We estimate three-fourths of people pick up the ticks in activities in and around the home," with children's play and gardening being some of the riskiest activities, Stafford told Live Science.
Parents should also make sure to do tick checks on children when they come in, he said.
3. Stay in the sun
Tick nymphs have leaky cuticles, or outer covers, that rapidly lose moisture. As a result, they can't survive in environments with lower than 80 percent humidity for more than eight hours, Mather said.
As a result, nymphs congregate in leaf piles in shady, humid environments, so sticking to sunny areas can reduce tick exposure, he said.
4. Change the landscape
Most ticks around homes stay within a few yards of the interface between the yard and a wooded area, Stafford said.
To keep the yard tick-free, use landscaping that deters mice, deer, woodchucks and other rodents that carry ticks, he said. People should also remove tick habitat such as leaf piles, shrubs and groundcover near the house. Play sets should be kept in the sun, away from the shade, he added.
Ticks won't cross a barrier of wood chips placed around the yard's perimeter, perhaps because the dry material makes them dry out too much, he said.
5. Check the dog
Though American dog ticks don't usually harbor diseases that sicken people, the lone star tick can often hitchhike on a pet into the home, so pet owners should check pets for the bugs as soon as they come indoors.
"Give them a good rub down and give them a good spray with the hose. They hate it but you can make it fun," Donohoe said.
6. Cover up
Covering up can prevent ticks from latching on, said Holly Donohoe, a researcher at the University of Florida who studies the health risks of travel and sports.
"Tucking pants into socks is a totally nerdy-looking thing, but in this case it can save you the suffering from a tick-borne disease later on," Donohoe said.
Of course, that advice may be hard to follow during peak tick season, Stafford said.
"In the summer months nobody is going to do that, it's too hot. I don't. I'll be protected from ticks but keel over from heat stroke," he said. Other prevention measures may be more useful when the mercury rises.
7. Lighten up
The clothes people wear should also be light, said Kathryn Berger, a disease ecologist at the University of Calgary in Canada.
"Nymphal ticks are about the size of a poppy seed, so if you wear lighter-colored clothing like light socks, lighter-colored pants, you're going to have an easier time identifying them."
8. Quick dry clothing
Because ticks are so vulnerable to drying out, the hitchhiking parasites can be killed by giving clothing a quick whirl in the dryer on high heat for five minutes, Mather said.
Ticks can survive the wash, and people who have to both wash and dry their clothes may just toss their clothing into a pile for later. It's better to do a quick dry cycle immediately than to let the tick linger, he said.
9. Shower and inspect
After high-risk activities, people should immediately take their clothes off and do a tick inspection and shower. People who are in the habit of showering immediately after outdoor activities are less likely to get Lyme disease, perhaps because they can catch any biting ticks before they've transmitted the disease, Stafford said.
After biting, ticks can take several hours to transmit Lyme disease, said Laura Kramer, the director of the Arbovirus Laboratory at the New York State Department of Health's Wadsworth Center.
10. Remove the tick
If, after taking all these precautions, people do get bitten, they should remove the tick immediately with tweezers or forceps, experts said.
It's important to visit a doctor if flulike symptoms or a suspicious rash appear, and to bring the tick in for testing by a state health department to see if it harbors any diseases, Kramer told Live Science.
http://www.livescience.com/46160-how-to-avoid-tick-bites.html
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2016 - 05:35pm PT
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two colleagues have died from it
two others have nearly died from it
one in a wheel chair from it
very glad if you have been lucky
yes, Sparky, that device is very handy. In the past 24 hrs I used one of those to remove a tick from the back of a friend's neck and to remove another tick from a dog. Forceps and tweezers are also part of the kit I use.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 25, 2016 - 06:03pm PT
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Yeah, a buddy of mine was positive for Lyme from a Skyline Blvd tick. Aquarian Valley.
I think he did a Cipro regimen. I'm just meticulous when I go in those types of areas, Aquarian Valley has medium high grass over climber/game trails. Perfect area for ticks!
Always check yer pants-legs ever few minutes in those kinds of conditions. They are usually in places where there is minimal human traffic, buts lots of game traffic. Especially deer.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2016 - 07:40pm PT
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the medical profession has been slow to pick up on testing for this and it is frequently mis-diagnosed until too late
its supposed bioengineered 'conspiracy theory' assures its lack of popularity within the profession
also it sometimes reappears after supposedly being 'cured'
a relatively few doctors have become expert in its diagnosis and treatment
the earlier it is caught, the more easily it can be cured…so delayed or misdiagnosis can produce tragic consequences
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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First of all any thing from Tom Cochrane, should be taken as sage and wise advice,
at least seriously considered,
I'm no fan of space exploration what I saw as the biggest waste of man kinds best minds.
And then he schooled me that things that go bump in space are not or may not be as they appear.
Why would any one try to disparage an attempt to bring a very real threat to everyone's attention?
The hand mirror,
a woman's round folding compact make-up mirror with two lenses.
One that has magnifying effect,
and that you can bath in Deet and not be protected
Are great bits of knowledge shared
If you heard it from Rgld, would you listen then?
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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I think Anabelle Nicholas Name hates everything, even knowledge.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Another nickname, I've never said this before on ST, but you are an idiot. A few months after my husband died of lyme disease the California Department of Public Health came out with a mailer to all physicians stating that lyme was a real problem in California and they needed to learn how to treat it.
My husband was a medical professional and was basically told he was wrong there is no lyme disease in CA. Yeah........
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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I take strong objection to two points and that is all.
1-Pyrethrins are not nasty, at least not in the sense of toxic chemical soup that Deet tends to be, considering that stuff melts plastic. (by the way I always wondered if deet might melt or degrade nylon climbing equipment) From Wiki-Pyrethrins are considered to be low-toxicity pesticides from a human health standpoint.
2. I never found it to work but I HAVE found Deet to be VERY effective. So pretty much the opposite of that stated above. I spray the sh#t all over me and my clothes, down my pants, you name it and it keeps the ticks off of me, even at Stone Hill, where they crawl like ants everywhere!
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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I have always and still do almost bathe in Deet repellents and often use 2 different concentrations
or formulations
protecting from all the bugs that bite has become an act of self poisoning.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2016/02/09/a-new-bacteria-causing-lyme-disease-discovered-borrelia-mayonii/#2b450fdd2c5d
The article is a bit of a rehash of the link in the previous post. At the bottom of the article are a bunch more links to information concerning Lyme's....
The photo I included was my first Thumb nail shot, it shows the 'bullseye' or the 'rash' when I found the tragic story that is lynne's to try to understand, I dropped the snap.
The onset of 'Lymes', seems to me, to be contrary to some things; where after first exposure there is some immunity built up.
With 'Lymes', for me, It was the opposite.
The picture shows me at 6 hours after the bite, and the onset of a very scary episode.
This was after my return to climbing after a fall and injury that was the catalyst for my getting into online stuff. I only joined the forums as a way to quell my need for climbing input, (entertainment?) as I rehabbed.
Then after nearly 2 years off from climbing, I got this bite and went into an episode of 'unexplainable' (? I knew what it was) strength loss and fatigue, with other symptoms that I attributed to the 'virus' but that the Dr's would not agree to list in their reports. The symptoms were all over the place; eye focus, digestion issues, fast dehydration, joint pain. I had head aches, something I have never be plagued with before.
I think that 'Lyme's has taken more from me, stamina wise, than age, although it is hard to tell when the tank reads half full all the time or is it half empty ....
This was after I had already had 2 rounds with Lyme's. I do live 81.7 miles from ground zero, in the state that coined the name.
It seems that this thread was timely.....
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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It's a non-issue not worthy of concern.
Well, You are going to get some major disagreement on that.
You can treat it but a certain percentage of people have lasting symptoms.
Growing up one of my best friends had the "super dad". Totally vibrant, athletic guy ran marathons, hiked and biked every day. Got Lyme, got treated eventually, but it was too late. It totally destroyed his nervous system and heart over the next few years and reduced him to an old man who couldn't get off the couch. Completely f'ed up his life forever.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Don't know Tom C., but he sounds like he knows what he's talking about based on my experience. Some additional info from this source http://www.lymeneteurope.org/info/deet-versus-permethrin-as-a-tick-repellent
DEET versus Permethrin as a Tick Repellent
By Tom Grier
Springtime is tick time. This means we will soon be seeing those cautionary ads on television telling us to use tick repellents. In almost every instance, the active ingredient in those advertised tick repellents will be DEET, which is the active ingredient in most mosquito repellents.
DEET is an excellent mosquito repellent, but it is a fairly poor tick repellent. We are inundated with so many DEET repellents because there are several huge corporations that manufacture hundreds of variations of DEET products. There is only one small company, Coulston Laboratory, that markets a handful of competitive tick repellent products for human use that contain 0.5 % permethrin.
There are pros and cons to each product, but as a tick repellent, permethrin wins hands down. Permethrin is an insecticide derived from a chemical found in the chrysanthemum family of plants. It is a spray that is used on clothes only, and is deactivated and made less effective by the oils on our skin. Once it is sprayed on our clothing, it becomes odorless and can last for several weeks with a single application. Once it is applied, most ticks will curl up and fall off if they make contact, and will eventually die if there is prolonged exposure.
Both DEET and permethrin have come under criticism for possible human side effects. DEET has been associated with human case histories of neurological damage and even death, and products greater than 40% were restricted in some states. Permethrin has been implicated in possibly contributing to the Gulf War syndrome. However, the studies involved mixing permethrin with DEET and applying it directly to the skin of mice that were then given military vaccines.
Pros and Cons:
DEET needs to be applied regularly and can only work as it is evaporating. Permethrin works for weeks after it has dried inside clothing fibers.
DEET is applied directly to the skin and can be absorbed through the skin. Permethrin is applied to clothing only and has limited contact to the skin.
DEET has a detectable odor. Permethrin smells only until it dries.
DEET does not kill or disable ticks and is a poor repellent. Permethrin works instantly and is extremely effective. It is the tick repellent of choice by the military.
DEET can melt synthetic clothes like nylon. Permethrin causes no damage to any known cloth or synthetic fiber.
DEET products are easy to find. Permethrin is hard to find and more expensive.
DEET is an effective fish repellent. Permethrin's effect on fish is unknown. (Permethrin is actually known to be very toxic to fish! - LNE editor)
Permethrin-containing products that are approved for human use are manufactured by Coulston labs, and can be found under labels such as Duranon, Permanone, and Congo Creek Tick Spray. A 0.5 % veterinary permethrin product can be found in most feed stores and horse supply shops as a horse tick repellent. The veterinary products tend to cost about half the price per ounce as the human-use product.
The Minnesota Insect-Borne Disease Education Council conducted a field test in Jay Cook State Park in northern Minnesota, and found that the permethrin products outperformed the DEET-containing tick repellents. A shoe was sprayed with Duranon (0.5% permethrin). Three weeks later, it was tested against a recently sprayed shoe using Deep Woods Off (35 % DEET). Ticks that made contact with the Duranon-sprayed shoe immediately rolled up and dropped off. Ticks on the soaking-wet DEET saturated shoe continued to crawl unimpaired.
One last tip for you fishermen out there: DEET is perhaps one of the most effective fish repellents known to man. Just a few parts per million can send game fish like salmon and trout to the other end of the fish tank. If you like to keep mosquito repellent in your tackle box, you may have unknowingly contaminated all of your fishing lures! Be sure to take care not to handle any fishing tackle once you have applied mosquito repellent. Just a few parts-per-million can repel more fish than mosquitoes!
To avoid ticks:
Wear light-colored clothing.
Tuck your pants into your socks.
Tuck your shirt into your pants.
Wear a hat.
Spray your shoes, socks, belt-line, collar and hat with a permethrin-containing tick repellent.
Do a tick check after walking in high-risk areas.
Put any clothes that might have live ticks on them into a hot dryer for ten minutes to kill all insects.
Keep your Family Safe! Do Tick Checks!
Additional information about DEET and Permethrin
Additional information about DEET and Permethrin is presented here, which also covers questions and comments that LymeNet Europe received from readers.
What is Permethrin?
Permethrin is a synthetic chemical, used as an insecticide, acaricide, and insect repellent. It belongs to the family of synthetic chemicals called pyrethroids.
Pyrethroids are similar to the natural pyrethrins produced by the flowers of pyrethrum (plants of the genus Chrysanthemum). Pyrethrum is also the name of a natural insecticide containing pyrethrins that is made from the dried flower heads of Chrysanthemum cinerariifolium and Chrysanthemum coccineum. The dried flower are crushed and mixed with water, and this mixture can then be used as a pyrethrum spray.
Essenstially, pyrethroid insecticides are chemically stabilized forms of the natural pyrethrins. The pyrethrins are a pair of organic compounds (pyrethrin I and pyrethrin II) that occur in the seed cases of the pyrethrum. The main source is Chrysanthemum cinerariaefolium. The flowers are pulverized and the active components, the pyrethrins, are extracted and sold in the form of an oleoresin. This is applied as a suspension in water or oil, or as a powder.
Permethrin Side Effects
Permethrin is not known to rapidly harm most mammals or birds, but is dangerously toxic to cats and fish. In general, it has a low mammalian toxicity and is poorly absorbed by skin.
Toxicology and safety
Permethrin is extremely toxic to fish and aquatic life in general, so extreme care must be taken when using products containing permethrin near water sources.
Permethrin is also highly toxic to cats, and flea and tick-repellent formulas intended and labeled for (the more resistant) dogs may contain permethrin and cause feline permethrin toxicosis in cats.
Very high doses will have tangible neurotoxic effects on mammals and birds, including human beings.
Permethrin is listed as a "restricted use" substance by the United States Environmental Protection Agency due to its high toxicity to aquatic organisms.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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You mean like the lunatics at the CDC? You against vaccines, too?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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I've lost count of the crippled people around here from the many different strains of Borrelia. To complicate matters are the frequent co-infections that we also have probably failed to fully account for.
One problem is there is no good test for the hundreds of known strains of just the Borrelia bug itself. The current common tests in the US are based on a single strain.
It's a huge political thing now in the medical community which is why the CDC/ISA are focusing on the Kindergarten form of Lyme which they claim can be killed with a simple course of antibiotics.
Having seen actual spirochetes swimming in the blood of someone close to me who's been on IV Rocephin for over a YEAR, there's a lot more to these bugs than we currently understand. It's an old bug that's evolved a lot of defenses.
More doctors are sticking their necks out now though into the political fire which is a good thing. There is more and more research onto this extremely tough bug and it's many co-infections.
But make no mistake, real people are suffering immeasurably every day from this thing.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Lyme is a very real threat where I live. Roughly half the people I know have had it at one time or another, and a great number of them have terrible lasting effects from it.
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Another nickname--I've seen the effects of Lyme disease on someone and it was not pretty. Love yer idea that it's harmless, but it's not correct.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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You cut and paste very well!
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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yeah that movie is scary... definitely controversial as it claims a conspiracy exists
vvvvvv just because you are paranoid does not mean you're not being followed
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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There's a conspiracy behind everything, isn't there?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Man, I found a nymphal tick on my hip with a small red area around it this year, IN NOVEMBER! No signs of Lyme so far, but to see them that late in the year was really disturbing. Found one on the dog the next day. Climate change is to blame in part for the northward influx of those little bastards, IMO. At least two a day are found in my house in spring and summer.
The key is to stay vigilant in checking yourself. They have to be biting for a minimum of 24 hours for you to contract Lyme, so daily checks are mandatory if you live in tick country. That right there is the most important thing.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Brandon,
I know that the 24 HR number is the given but my reaction was 6 hours after being bitten
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Yep, those little filthy bastards are out year-round. Pulled one off my son last January. He had been digging through the several feet of snow and gotten into the leaves below.
Permethrin is fantastic stuff btw to treat your clothes/shoes with.
We go through about 2 cases of DEET a year at my house since we're outside all the time.
Something to be said for 20+ days of Doxy if you find an embedded tick. I wouldn't buy the "must be attached for 24 hours" meme. How would they ever possibly test that in humans?
Unfortunately we're at ground zero here in the NE...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Another indicator of climate change.
Not too long ago I came across a buzzworm out hunting on March 18.
Apparently there is still a lot to learn about Lyme's.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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From what I've read, the virus is passed to humans by ticks when they have fed, are full, and then vomit a little into your bloodstream. Apparently, 24 hours is the average time it takes them to fill up. That's all I know.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Be afraid!!!
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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From after what I've seen and been through, I'd fight the dude in the Blue suit any day rather than a poppy-seed sized bloodbag... :)
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Funny. This doesn't LOOK like a political thread...
Not too sure what's wrong with a little tick "awareness". I've pulled up to 12 off me at a time after coming out of the bush. Why not minimize a potential problem?
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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that is what I read as well Brandon but the link above is kind of vague and says a few hours.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Sounds like you were / are among the lucky ones. I have a coworker / friend that it took years for him and his doctors to figure it out. Negative tests, then positive, and then long term antibiotics. Fatigue and muscle issues. This guy is a superfit outdoor type. Doing ok last I talked to him about it.
Everyone is different.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2016 - 08:34pm PT
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so in an area with several feet of snow, the ticks still show up frequently on dogs and people after daily walks
ticks are commonly associated with deer, but it is actually mice who are the more likely hosts
both mice and deer like to hang out in the transition zones between open areas and the edge of woods…such as alongside trails...
an effective way to clean up the ticks in an area is to take cotton balls or dryer lint sprayed with permethrin and walk along through these areas tossing the fuzz balls off into the bushes
the mice appreciate the contribution of bedding material and take it home…thus effectively eliminating the local tick population
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Feb 11, 2016 - 09:12pm PT
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another nickname, better named troll. Do you climb? Why are you here? Do you care about life or perhaps you should get one.
sincerely, lynnie
Edit: basically another nickname's posts are not factual. I would encourage people to research lymes disease.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2016 - 09:23pm PT
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US Government Admits
Lyme Disease Is
A Bioweapon
By Lymerayja
1-7-6
The existence of the Lyme disease epidemic is officially covered up in the UK, its myriad presentations routinely misdiagnosed as everything from "M.E." to MS to hypochondria. This is the first admission by a US government body that the cause is an incapacitating biowar agent:
SAN ANTONIO (AP) -- The $10.6 million Margaret Batts Tobin Laboratory Building will provide a 22,000-square-foot facility to study such diseases as anthrax, tularemia, cholera, lyme disease, desert valley fever and other parasitic and fungal diseases. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention identified these diseases as potential bioterrorism agents.".
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10039154/
So, for the first time, a US government body admits that Lyme disease is a biological warfare agent. This is the reason that hundreds of thousands of men, women and children around the world have been left to rot with wrong diagnoses, or have had their Lyme disease acknowledged but been told that it is an "easily-treated" disease, given 3 weeks' antibiotics, then told to shove off when their symptoms carried on after that.
In Britain the existence of the epidemic is denied completely, and virtually no effort made to warn or educate the public about the dangers of ticks, which carry the bacteria Borrelia burgdorferi.
The Borrelia genus has been a subject of biowar experimentation at least as far back as WW2, when the infamous Japanese Unit 731, which tortured and experimented on live prisoners, studied it.
The reality is, Lyme disease is for many a chronic, horrendous, incapacitating disease producing crippling fatigue, constant pain, loss of memory, possible paralysis, psychosis, blindness and even death.
It was an ideal biowar agent because it evades detection on routine tests, has an enormous range of different presentations, and can mimic everything from ADHD to multiple sclerosis to carpal tunnel syndrome to rheumatoid arthritis to chronic fatigue syndrome (M.E.) to lupus to schizophrenia. Enemy medical staff would never know what had hit them, nor even that ONE illness had hit their population, rather than an unexplained rise in dozens of known conditions.
Honest doctors and scientists who tried to treat or research Lyme disease according to ethical principles have been viciously persecuted by government-backed organisations in the US, Europe and elsewhere. Many specialists in the US were threatened with loss of their license or had anonymous, false allegations sent to the medical board, which tied them up in mountains of paperwork and legal fees...some were forced out of medicine or even driven to suicide.
Instead, medical disinfo agents, most of whom have a background in military/biowarfare units, such as Dr Allen Steere, Mark Klempner, Philip Baker, Edward McSweegan, David Dennis, Alan Barbour etc were enabled to assume top positions in Lyme research , CDC, NIH etc from where they issued false information , covering up the true seriousness and chronic nature of the disease, and comdemned untold numbers to a living hell.
Please help Lyme patients publicise this scandal, which has caused suffering on a massive scale. Contact me by email if you are interested in helping.
Thank you.
Lisa
Lymerayja
e-mail: lymerayja@yahoo.co.uk
Homepage: http://www.lyme-rage.info
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/11/328067.html
Patricia A. Doyle, DVM, PhD- Bus Admin, Tropical Agricultural Economics
Please visit my "Emerging Diseases" message board at:
http://www.clickitnews.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?
Cat=&Board=emergingdiseases
Also my new website:
http://drpdoyle.tripod.com/
Zhan le Devlesa tai sastimasa
Go with God and in Good Health
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BryanE
climber
Minnesota
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Feb 11, 2016 - 09:44pm PT
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another nickname - coming from somebody who is in treatment for chronic neurological lyme for 380+ days and who had it undiagnosed for 8 years before that, you can go f*#k yourself. Inconsequential? Wow, don't even know where to start with you. I'm sorry and I know me getting angry isn't going to help convey my point but I don't care. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I'm herxing hard enough right now that I don't care to dig up studies and information for you tonight but I would be happy to do that at a later date and correct the torrent of bullshit spewing forth from your keyboard.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Feb 12, 2016 - 06:13am PT
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He is probably one of the Doctors on that list or a 731 member.
vvvvv didn't think of that although the writing style is different
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 12, 2016 - 06:33am PT
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Or Suprema?
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Karen
Trad climber
Prescott, AZ ~ God's country!!!!
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Feb 13, 2016 - 09:21pm PT
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Off topic a bit but I had chronic fatigue syndrome, it was very real and totally took me down for over six months. It wasn't until I got out of an extremely exhausting job that it began to subside and even then it,lingered but was able to live a better quality of life.
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climbingcoastie
Ice climber
Sacramento, CA
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Feb 13, 2016 - 10:24pm PT
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Another nickname,
Anyone that has been through or watched someone go through chronic Lyme's disease can assure you that you are way off mark. There are so many studies out there supporting either side of it that the article you referenced can be counterdited by another that was written by scientist. Look up the documentary "Under our skin". It shows you the struggle behind diagnosis, but if you're so quick to dismiss the disease I'm sure you already know the story and are benefiting from the "no such thing" side.
I've watched my wife go from having a masters in education and being very active to not being able to remember her kids names to bedridden for months and now, finally because we found a doctor to treat her she is starting to work again (but only part time). It has stressed our marrage, drained our bank account, an put my wife through hell. I don't give a damn what the disease is called, but that doctor saved my wife's life. And if the doctor calls it Lyme's then that's what I'm calling it too!!
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climbingcoastie
Ice climber
Sacramento, CA
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Feb 13, 2016 - 10:27pm PT
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Oh and another thing. Health insurance doesn't cover it because "it doesn't exist" but you can't get life insurance if you've been diagnosed.
Explain that one!
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perswig
climber
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Feb 14, 2016 - 04:11am PT
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For those of you in the NE, in the last 18 months or so we've had a few tick panels on sick dogs come back indicating seroconversion to RMSF. In the past, we've had the occasional positive in animals moved from more endemic areas, but these recent cases have been native Maine/non-travel dogs, which I don't recall seeing before. (There's a potential for cross-reaction in the assay, I'm told, but not esp likely?)
Our usual infectious suspects for FUO, blood dyscrasias, etc have been borrelia (Lyme) and anaplasmosis (or Ehrlichia or whatever they're calling it these days), often co-infection, and Babesia. While not a tick-carried dz, we also see lepto fairly often.
Spring's around the corner. Do the DEET and check your nooks and crannies and those of your furry friends.
Dale
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 14, 2016 - 11:31am PT
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Oh and another thing. Health insurance doesn't cover it because "it doesn't exist" but you can't get life insurance if you've been diagnosed.
Explain that one!
Yep, it's a vicious disease. The problem is I don't believe we really understand what "it" is. With so many known strains of Borrelia now and an even greater variety of co-infections we can probably assume that we don't have the whole picture nor have we identified all the pathogens.
Lyme sure isn't a man-made "Bioweapon" although like everything else it's probably been researched as such. Lyme is an old bug, a near perfect bug, something that only evolution provides. One strain of Lyme was found in the 5000+ year old frozen corpse recently uncovered in the Alps.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 23, 2016 - 08:17am PT
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Some recent research has finally revealed lyme biofilms in living patients. It's always been suspected and can help explain the incredible resistence this bug has in certain unfortunate patients.
http://www.akademiai.com/doi/abs/10.1556/1886.2015.00049
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Feb 23, 2016 - 12:31pm PT
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Good point there, Fear, about Anabelle Nicholas Name being Schwarpreama. Never thought about it but kinda fits
Oh, yeah, bump because ticks suck
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Tickborne Bacteria Identified in Ticks from Texas
HealthDay News — About 23% of ticks from Texas carry bacterial DNA from at least one of the following: Rickettsia, Borrelia, and Ehrlichia spp., according to a report published online Jan. 13 in the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Emerging Infectious Diseases.
Elizabeth A. Mitchell, from the University of North Texas Health Science Center in Fort Worth, and colleagues describe the presence and distribution of tickborne bacteria and their vectors in Texas. They screened ticks collected from humans during 2008–2014 for Rickettsia, Borrelia, and Ehrlichia spp.
The researchers identified 13 tick species and screened DNA from each specimen. The most common species were Amblyomma americanum (55.7%), followed by Dermacentor variabilis and Rhipicephalus sanguineus (15.0 and 13.0%, respectively). About 23.3% of the ticks originating in Texas tested positive for Rickettsia, Borrelia, and Ehrlichia DNA. Most of these bacteria belonged to spotted fever group rickettsiae (SFGR). The most common tick species found to carry an SFGR agent was Amblyomma americanum.
"Our findings underscore the importance of better characterization and continued surveillance of the frequency and distribution of tick species and the bacterial agents they carry," the authors write. "Continued monitoring in low-risk areas provides data regarding the presence of potential emerging pathogens and vectors not yet commonly identified, which could pose unidentified threats to public health."
http://www.empr.com/medical-news/tickborne-bacteria-identified-in-ticks-from-texas/article/465172/
Full Text:
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/22/2/15-0469_article
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2016 - 10:00pm PT
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Long-Term Antibiotics Fail Again in Lyme Disease
Focus on Lyme and antibiotics for persistent symptoms called unhelpful
by Nancy Walsh
Senior Staff Writer, MedPage Today
Action Points
Lengthy antibiotic treatment failed to improve quality of life among patients with symptoms attributed to persistent Lyme disease, a randomized Dutch study found.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/InfectiousDisease/GeneralInfectiousDisease/57044
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Mar 30, 2016 - 10:25pm PT
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BryanE, my most positive thoughts and prayers are with you. My husband, Dan, was a medical professional and knew what he had....no one listened except at the end, one Dr. in Thousand Oaks, CA. It was too late.
For those of you that think you have Lyme Disease I recommend that you begin tracking your life on a daily calendar. Write down your heart rate, pulse, temperature and very specifically how you feel and what your symptoms are each day. See if you can detect a cycle. My heart is with each of you. lynnie
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coondogger
Trad climber
NH
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Mar 31, 2016 - 06:19pm PT
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Folks with small dogs and cats should educate themselves about the dangers of permethrin exposure to small mammals. Cats are particularly susceptible to permethrin.
It's a horrific disease. I spoke or listened recently to a doctoral student who is studying lymes disease and the problems associated with reoccurring symptoms. One area of her research is looking at why long-term antibiotic treatments are often ineffective. Some of the studies are indicating that cells seem to have memory. A cellular memory that creates reoccurring symptoms.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 31, 2016 - 07:10pm PT
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US Government Admits Lyme Disease Is A Bioweapon
That's just the sort of Screaming Mimi headline you can punch into google and identify all the conspiracy theory and nutjob websites and blogs in one fell swoop. Crikey, dumb and dumber...
One area of her research is looking at why long-term antibiotic treatments are often ineffective. Some of the studies are indicating that cells seem to have memory. A cellular memory that creates recurring symptoms.
Hmmm. I find that quite unlikely. The more likely suspect is the lyme biofilm capability and there probably won't be a real 'cure' until they can address that with antibiotics in combination with anti-biofilm enzymes and / or quorum sensing inhibitors. And right now nothing like that exists outside of generalized research on biofilms so at the moment any website or blog claiming to be able to address the biofilm aspect of lymes is fraudulent.
http://phys.org/news/2016-02-anti-biofilm-compounds-drug-resistant-bacteria-linked.html
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