Jeb Bush - anyone else ready for him to move on?

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couchmaster

climber

Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 13, 2015 - 08:56am PT

The lying cheating F%%&ing weasel gets caught AGAIN. Planted a paid operative to ask Trump embarrassing questions, then CNN immediately edits it and runs it. What a piece of work.

Titled:

"Busted ! CNN Uses Jeb Bush Staffer Planted In Audience To Frame Donald Trump Narrative/Hit Job…."

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/10/13/busted-cnn-uses-jeb-bush-staffer-planted-in-audience-to-frame-donald-trump-narrativehit-job/

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Oct 13, 2015 - 08:59am PT

At least his Brother kept us safe....

Fat Dad

Trad climber

Los Angeles, CA

Oct 13, 2015 - 09:07am PT

Read Breitbart much?

couchmaster

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2015 - 09:12am PT

Proof of alien abductions right here---> Craig Fry said:

"At least his Brother kept us safe.... "

Fat Dad asked:

"Read Breitbart much?"

If that was to Craig, I'd bet big money he doesn't. If asked of me: No, but I'm giving up on CNN now for the most part so maybe I need to start. Here's some mostly unbiased news I do read in addition to Yahoo news.

http://fair.org/
http://whowhatwhy.org/
http://www.accuracy.org/
http://globalresearch.ca/

I do click on the biased http://www.drudgereport.com/ where this one came from. If you go to Yahoo and search Jeb Bush, Jeb Bush caught, etc, they have kept it totally out of the search terms for whatever reason. Whereas if you simply Google "Jeb Bush" this pops up #1.

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Oct 13, 2015 - 09:16am PT

W. Bush let the terrorists win, he gave them everything they wanted

maybe he meant just him and is brother when he said "kept us safe"

we paid a mighty high price tag for that safety

dirtbag

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 09:19am PT

Meh. It was an intern. Doesn't seem like a big deal.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/donald-trump-young-woman-jeb-bush-campaign/?iid=ob_homepage_showcase_pool&iref=obnetwork

Bush is doing a fine job imploding on his own. He has chronic foot in mouth disease, I.e., moments in which he speaks his mind and folks then realize that W was, in reality, not the dumber sibling.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Oct 13, 2015 - 09:21am PT

Boy, this thread has groundbreaking written all over it!

nature

climber

Boulder, CO

Oct 13, 2015 - 09:23am PT

W was, in reality, not the dumber sibling.

never could I imagine myself nodding yes to that statement.

I like how his fight for the middle class is to raise taxes on us.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Oct 13, 2015 - 10:22am PT

Jeb would be better than Trump.

That's all I've got to say about that......

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Oct 13, 2015 - 10:23am PT

Gaslighting

Clinical examples

Sociopaths frequently use gaslighting tactics. Sociopaths consistently transgress social mores, break laws, and exploit others, but typically, are also charming and convincing liars who consistently deny wrongdoing. Thus, some who have been victimized by sociopaths may doubt their perceptions.[7]

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Oct 13, 2015 - 10:26am PT

We all wish the election season was shorter, but there is so much at stake that we have to work now or all may be lost.

The Republicans have millions of dollars to waste years ahead of the elections, so we have to fight them 24/7, evil never sleeps.

dirtbag

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 10:37am PT

I have come to believe that long campaigns have some value, in that candidates and the public learn whether a candidate will whither under the intense pressure of being in the ultimate fish bowl. Also, candidates can learn a lot about policy matters, except Trump, who already knows everything.

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Oct 13, 2015 - 11:04am PT

Planted a paid operative to ask Trump embarrassing questions, then CNN immediately edits it and runs it. What a piece of work.

Jorge Ramos all over again.. this is politics and Trump has the Instinct to captivate the crowd..

couchmaster

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2015 - 11:07am PT

Jorge Ramos story here: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/latino/jorge-bonilla/2015/10/12/jorge-ramos-called-trump-expulsion-attack-freedom-press

I had to look it up, had forgotten it.

Norton

Social climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 11:10am PT

I still have a hard time understanding that you guys are STILL over a year from having your election.

we really don't have much else to talk about here, Tami

in general things are ok, economy recovered and out of the Republican recession,
unemployment numbers much better, no more are thousands dying in Iraq,
tens of millions more have healthcare......

so we now focus on trivial stuff, and wonder why some morons still vote Republican

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Oct 13, 2015 - 11:13am PT

What kind of chances do you give Trumps ideas like the great wall of Mexico? How much political capital exists in Washington, either now or after the election, to get that done? What about his other policies? Which among them do you feel would be the most successful? What do you think drives him in terms of his ideals? Serious question.

I continue to be intrigued by the guy. Can't be bought (and that is BIG);
tells the truth about what he is thinking;
seems to have an agenda that it totally focused on actual American needs (as opposed to big business needs)

I say give him a try!

:)

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Oct 13, 2015 - 11:17am PT

How can Jeb Bush expect to deal with China, Russia and Iran if he gets caught doing a “plant” during my speech yesterday in NH?

Donald Trump

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Oct 13, 2015 - 11:19am PT

What Ken said ^^^^

Authenticity is very important. Jeb doesn't have it, Trump does and so does Ben Carson.

Hitlery does not have a shred of it, Sanders does (even though he's crazy Socialist).

Winemaker

Sport climber

Yakima, WA

Oct 13, 2015 - 11:29am PT

I still can't believe that Trump and Carson and Cruz et al. ACTUALLY believe all the shyte they are saying. Trump especially has to be laughing inside that people actually take him seriously. I suspect it's all a big joke to him. If it's not ........... yikes!

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Oct 13, 2015 - 11:51am PT

Winemaker, who would you consider to be more authentic? Let us know.

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Oct 13, 2015 - 12:26pm PT

Puppets don't believe anything except what they're told to believe by the people that own them. IMO there's no way Trump would be a good puppet, hence he's in this for his own branding/promotion, not to be chief-puppet.

Puppet-warz on the tee-vee, no different than any of the other reality drivel on the tee-vee. "Will it be another retarded Bush monkey?" "Will it be a Golden Retriever this time?" "XYZ will fix it!".

Look at it this way, the federal gov't is no different than a murderous gang. Does it makes sense that these atrocious criminals give the sheep they rape an opportunity every 4 years to unseat them? So they change the puppets and give us this human garbage to "choose" from.

Oh wait... American Idle is back on...

chill

climber

between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing

Oct 13, 2015 - 12:30pm PT

I still have a hard time understanding that you guys are STILL over a year from having your election.

Sorry Tami, 'merca cannot be esplained to feriners.

darkmagus

Mountain climber

San Diego, CA

Oct 13, 2015 - 12:37pm PT

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Oct 13, 2015 - 12:44pm PT

Bush and Hildebeast are the coronated cronies of Wall, K street and their media mouthpieces. They are going to do what it takes to make sure one of them wins.

Same crap is happening on the Dem side.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/reminder-tonights-democratic-debate-moderator-was-member-clinton-global-initiative_1045052.html

dirtbag

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 12:53pm PT

Lol...

The first debate was hosted by faux news and you are complaining that a moderator was associated with the Clinton global initiative.

Too funny.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Denver, CO

Oct 13, 2015 - 12:58pm PT

Boy, this thread has groundbreaking written all over it!

I just snorted diet Pepsi out of my nose. Thanks a LOT, Reilly!

Edit: Dang, that burns.

Cragar

climber

MSLA - MT

Oct 13, 2015 - 01:03pm PT

Sorry Tami, 'merca cannot be esplained to feriners.

However, it is often hella better understood by them; at least that has been my experience with friends in SEBC.

We truly are a nation of idiotic gov't and self important citizens. 'Merikans for the most part just don't care about bombing innocents if it means oil will be cheaper....not much more needs to be said. There are other atrocities the US commits on a daily basis in the name of the U$ofA. It is sad we aren't a better nation for all

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Oct 13, 2015 - 01:14pm PT

We truly are a nation of idiotic gov't and self important citizens. 'Merikans for the most part just don't care about bombing innocents if it means oil will be cheaper....not much more needs to be said. There are other atrocities the US commits on a daily basis in the name of the U$ofA. It is sad we aren't a better nation for all

If only we could be as enlightened as you. Atrocities that America commits on a daily basis?

A$$holes like you love to dwell on anything America does not to perfectly.

Do you ever criticize South African murder of white farmers, just because they're white? Ever criticize Muslim aggression against just about everybody? Ever criticize Chinese abuse of their citizens? How about the abuse of Cubans at the hands of their communist rulers?

You will never give credit to the good that America has, and is providing in the world. Are you in favor of fracking and the Keystone pipeline. And maybe developing oil assets on the western shores of America? That would get us oil independent.

Spare me the obvious green-energy bullsh#t. Cars still run on gasoline, and oil is still necessary to our economy.

John Duffield

Mountain climber

New York

Oct 13, 2015 - 01:24pm PT

I still have a hard time understanding that you guys are STILL over a year from having your election.

I thought about that too recently. But from now until January, is the only period in which we have the illusion of choice. This is the election.

From January until November, it will be simply the lesser of two evils.

couchmaster

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2015 - 01:29pm PT

Jammer said:

"Crankster, I don't think you see this very clearly...

If that whole thing did not get called out like it has, it has an absolutely annoyingly strong influence on society. Luckily, all that has to happen is it getting called out...

The GOP's recent rise to power under Bush was ENTIRELY CREATED from sh#t like this. No one, at least not any kind of majority of people, actually agrees with their version of reality. It's the "volunteers" and paid actors who present that, and all the dumb sheeple who accept it, even going so far as to actually accuse the people pointing this kind of thing out as being the problem. Yes, this kind of thing is a big deal which needs to be called out."

I'm with Jammer, call it out when you see this kind of thing and reject that kind of behavior. I don't care if it's Hillary and her total lack of integrity or Jeb Bush pulling CNN's string, wrong is wrong. There's plenty of folks with integrity left to vote for no matter what your side of the aisle is. Who has seen this kind of baloney with Bernie Sanders or Rand Paul?

dirtbag

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 01:42pm PT

I actually feel sorry for the 18 yo intern involved. She's getting trolled and harassed big time.

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Oct 13, 2015 - 01:46pm PT

Hillary and her total lack of integrity

has been created by the Republicans trying to destroy her

And all of you non-liberals spew it like it's the word from God.
It's bad form to the repeat lies that the Republicans fabricated to make you hate someone, it's called smearing and it's one of their favorite tactics.
It also works by decreasing voter turnout, due to anger over the political system and corrupt politicians.

Their criminal Benghazi investigation was all about making your political enemy look bad by the constant theater of wrong doing, when there was zero actual wrong doing. It's all over the News, McCarthy spilled the beans.

Spending Millions of Tax payer money on political campaigning and destroying your political enemies is a crime.

If the Democrats did that, they would be compared to Hitler and be prosecuted, but since it's the Repubs, they will just lie their way out it

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Oct 13, 2015 - 01:56pm PT

I actually feel sorry for the 18 yo intern involved. She's getting trolled and harassed big time.

Who said it?

There is no such thing as bad publicity.

She has a chip, now, in the big game. They owe her for taking one for the team.

Her working life is assured.

dirtbag

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 01:57pm PT

18--she's still a kid.

You may have noticed that the Internet can be an unkind place...

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Oct 13, 2015 - 02:10pm PT

...as a staffer for one the the big monies political picks, absolutely....NOT! Unless they want her affiliation with their organization. No, that girl CHOSE the wrong thing for her future. I don't feel the least bit sorry for her. Hopefully she is provided with a life opportunity to CHOOSE otherwise at some point.

Oh, never heard of Scooter Libby, have ya?

dirtbag

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 02:11pm PT

Lol, the irony on your part here is classic...

Um, ok.

dirtbag

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 02:13pm PT

So far on supertopo...

Crankster and Dirtbag

..have the biggest dicks.

SteveW

Trad climber

The state of confusion

Oct 13, 2015 - 02:17pm PT

. . . and Trump, and Rubio, and Cruz. . . and Carli, and. . . .

dirtbag

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 02:20pm PT

Jammer did I piss in your bowl of Cheerios this morning, or something?

If i didn't, then I wish I had.

dirtbag

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 02:23pm PT

Um, ok.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Oct 13, 2015 - 02:27pm PT

Jammer, shouldn't you be in school?

crankster

Trad climber

No. Tahoe

Oct 13, 2015 - 02:27pm PT

jammer lost me...is he/she arguing that this incident is somehow going to effect who gets the GOP nomination?? Huh? The 2 front-runners say something crazy every hour and you think anyone is going to remember that a Bush intern asked Trump something at a just-another-campaign event? You can't be serious.

dirtbag

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 02:32pm PT

Actually, jammer, you haven't called me on anything--just insults. And I don't recall attacking you so I'm not sure what your problem is. But you seem intent on insulting me, so have a nice day.

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Oct 13, 2015 - 02:44pm PT

in general things are ok, economy recovered and out of the Republican recession,
unemployment numbers much better, no more are thousands dying in Iraq,
tens of millions more have healthcare......

Do you really believe that is TRUE???????

There has been no recovery... only the stats have been changed. Try counting all of the unemployed people... they don't count. People are still dying in Iraq.. FYI And tens of millions MORE have coverage! Most people I know have worse HC then ever. They Pay a ton more for much less.

Get Real Dude.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 13, 2015 - 03:09pm PT

Yes, guyman, it is true.

From the standpoint of general metrics, the economy is better off than it was in 2008, unemployment is lower, there are fewer troops fighting & dying in a useless war, and more people have healthcare coverage (key difference: insurers feet will be legally held to the flame when there's a claim).

Of course it's true that most of the economic benefits that have occurred in the recovery have gone to the 1%, there are still too many people fighting and dying in Bush's wars, and that our health insurance system needs a sh#t-ton of work (say it with me: 'Public Option').

Just remember this, though- the Party you voted for created this sh#t-hole. And you voted for them twice. Why do you keep taking their bait?

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Oct 13, 2015 - 03:46pm PT

Just remember this, though- the Party you voted for created this sh#t-hole. And you voted for them twice. Why do you keep taking their bait?

App.... I voted for Obama, McCain was one dumb ass for letting Sara on the ticket...... 2nd time around ... I figured Mit could do a better job.

This time.... Im still kicking tires. But you can bet Im not going to go for a Clinton (unless its Bill) OR a Bush.

nature

climber

Boulder, CO

Oct 13, 2015 - 03:54pm PT

Speaking of Bill (who I'd vote for again in a heart beat). He pointed out on The Late Show that Trump has a short half-life. I thought that an interesting calculation.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Oct 13, 2015 - 03:56pm PT

a Bush intern asked Trump something at a just-another-campaign event? You can't be serious.

Who will remember?

That's the rub. Trump will remember, when he decides whether the establishment party has treated him fairly, or whether he will launch a third party attempt.

People want to dis him, but should remember that at this moment it time, he has the almost exclusive ability to decide who the next president will be, by his actions.

It will also be remembered by that portion of the GOP voters who have total distrust for the establishment party faction.....and attacking "one of their own" just feeds into that.

This is potentially a very big deal

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Oct 13, 2015 - 03:59pm PT

People are still dying in Iraq

Guyman, it may just be my impression, but the number of flag-draped coffins coming back to the US has dramatically dropped.

This is not to dismiss foreigners who die in wars that we began, but still it is an important hallmark to most Americans.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Oct 13, 2015 - 04:00pm PT

Warbler, I think you mean B. Obama, not Bill Clinton......

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Oct 13, 2015 - 04:02pm PT

"Guyman, it may just be my impression, but the number of flag-draped coffins coming back to the US has dramatically dropped."

More innocent people than ever are being killed in the Middle East - just not white people.

I guess that's good.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 13, 2015 - 04:04pm PT

The bottom line is that the economy is doing far better than in 2008. Yes, it could be better, perhaps it could've happened a bit sooner, yes, too much of the improvements are still going to waaaayyy too few people....

But it's a helluva lot better than the way the last Republican administration left it.

So since the GOP doesn't have a shitty economy to use as their campaign fodder, they have to find something else...or just plain make sh#t up.

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Oct 13, 2015 - 04:25pm PT

But it's a helluva lot better than the way the last Republican administration left it.

True Dat.... When W went and removed about 1.5 trillion and handed it over to the bankers to cover up their folly.....That sort of blew it for me as far as the REPUB party goes, you know- as the party of fiscal restraint.

Now IMHO the DEMS blow money like drunken sailors... but they don't tell you they are not drunken sailors.

Don't discount Trump.... the man is pretty smart (smarter than everyone on the repub side except for Carley and the Doctor) and knows how to do a deal. Give him some time, he will change positions on everything, and before you know it his positions might just sound like your positions.
Wait and see...

I am enjoying all the back and forth.... good debate tonight. Got the popcorn all set.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 13, 2015 - 05:08pm PT

Funny thing, though...every time that someone calls out how the economy has improved when a Dem POTUS took office, one of the usual ST Repub economist types always downplays it as circumstantial, and that there were economic elements at work at the time that would have seen economic improvement, regardless of who was in the WH.

Hard to see how to apply that argument to 2008. The economy was spiralling, and it had about as direct manipulation as could happen in today's financial/economic political world. A Dem administration stepped in, and will walk away 8 years later with a clear economic upswing.

I'm sure Repubs will find some kind of rationalization, though.

johnboy

Trad climber

Can't get here from there

Oct 13, 2015 - 05:16pm PT

Just remember this, though- the Party you voted for created this sh#t-hole. And you voted for them twice.

They've also fought rank and file for the last 6 years obstructing measures to curtail a faster comeback.

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Oct 13, 2015 - 05:17pm PT

App.... I guess the 1990's decade is what I use to set my own internal gauge about just what a good economy looks and feels like.....

Remember HEAD HUNTERS???? calling almost everyday.

I do.... and that aint happening.

When I travel to other parts of the country... I do see homes getting built and malls and not as many "for Lease" signs as I see here in LA.

I worry about the future for my kids.... it seems quite dead here in CA.

Winemaker

Sport climber

Yakima, WA

Oct 13, 2015 - 05:31pm PT

You're all wrong. The Republican nominee for president will be ......Mitt Romney. Really, the clown car doesn't have anyone who will beat Hillary; the convention will be deadlocked and the backroom boys will call on.....Mitt. Thirds the charm. Plus, he really, really wants it. And so does his wife; it's 'their turn'.

philo

climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 05:39pm PT

zBrown

Ice climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 06:57pm PT

What about Clinton, Nixon, Kennedy, Johnson, and Truman admins?
Jes askin' you know?

Weren't there two bushes?

dee ee

Mountain climber

Of THIS World (Planet Earth)

Oct 13, 2015 - 08:18pm PT

The Bush family is done, and not too soon. FT!

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Shetville , North of Los Angeles

Oct 13, 2015 - 08:19pm PT

With a name like Jeb what's not to like..?

Norton

Social climber

Oct 13, 2015 - 08:28pm PT

Incredibly, the electronic real money betting markets continue to have Jeb as the
ultimate Republican nominee, reasoning that eventually the Republican base will come to its senses and realize that Trumps as zero chance of winning and moderate Jeb is the smart money bet.

I think they are wrong, that they are overestimating the intelligence of the Republican base voter in assuming they will change their minds.

A bet of Trump to be the nominee is currently against smart money betting but
maybe worth a shot, thinking Republican voters value flash and talk over political
experience and competence, to the horror of the RNC who knows you actually have to win the Presidency first.

johnboy

Trad climber

Can't get here from there

Oct 13, 2015 - 09:25pm PT

RJ, haven't you seen his campaign posters?
His name is Jeb!

dirtbag

climber

Oct 14, 2015 - 08:03am PT

Technically, dirtbag, you said essentially that anyone on this thread going after that apparently poor and unfortunate girl was being too hard on her, suggesting that perhaps the reasons for bringing her poor behavior to particular attention were poorly thought out since now she would have to live with that decision apparently forever, because you know you, I, and everyone else here agree to the reality in which things which happen on the Internet are eternal.

Silly boy, I said no such thing.

Whats more, you seem to contend that people here OBVIOUSLY agree that people such as myself over-react, or act impulsively, in these situations, merely because you said so. Have a nice day, indeed :)

.

Oh, this again?

Actually, you started attacking me.

Whatever. Call me a gaslighter (whatever the fook that is), a gas bag, gas hog, gaseous, or Gaspar. It's your mo, and I'm in good company in the gaslight department.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2515755&msg=2695673#msg2695673

http://www.supertopo.com/forumsearch.php?v=0&cur=0&ftr1=&ftr2=Gaslighting&ftr3=&ftr4=&scope=all

dirtbag

climber

Oct 14, 2015 - 08:08am PT

Norton, I still think Rubio will emerge from the scrum.

The "problem" is that he is Hispanic, Catholic, and not sufficiently hard ass with respect to immigrants, so he might not get the base fired up for the generals. Then again, floating a picture of Hillary might be enough to motivate them.

A friend speculated Jeb might have early dementia. I just think he's a poor candidate.

dirtbag

climber

Oct 14, 2015 - 08:13am PT

Lol I guess the little boy jammer has been waiting all morning for me to respond so he can call me a gaslighter again.

Whatever. I'll get along just fine knowing you don't like me.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Oct 14, 2015 - 08:27am PT

Romney seemed like an unlikely candidate at this point in the 2012 election. Weren't the front runners Rick Perry and Spermin' Herman?

It is no mystery why they are trying to resurrect Mittens for a 2016 run.

dirtbag

climber

Oct 14, 2015 - 08:43am PT

Jammer: zzzzz...

I'm sure everyone else reading this thread thinks that, too.

Good day, sir.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Oct 14, 2015 - 10:08pm PT

It SEEMED that way, but it was not. There are other metrics that are more predictive. BTW, those same metrics are not working especially well in Bush's favor now, particularly compared with Hillary (scroll down for year comparisons and analysis):

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

In the book “The Party Decides” (2008), the most comprehensive study of the invisible primary, the political scientists Marty Cohen, David Karol, Hans Noel and John Zaller evaluated data on endorsements made in presidential nomination contests between 1980 and 2004 and found that “early endorsements in the invisible primary are the most important cause of candidate success in the state primaries and caucuses.”

couchmaster

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2015 - 12:21pm PT

Rottenjohnny asked:

"With a name like Jeb what's not to like..? "

All kinds of dingenious crap as it turns out RJ. Like this cheap parlor trick he did 3 times by some accounts. (2 in this account) What a douchbag.

"Jeb Bush was caught standing on his tiptoes during the group photo at Wednesday's Republican debate. Bush did not just do it once either, and was caught at least twice by cameras as he set himself up for the shot.
He also managed to stand out by stretching his arms a bit to take up more room than his fellow candidates."

quote from http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027178712

couchmaster

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2015 - 12:25pm PT

Here's the Bush Operative planted in the audience to make Trump look bad. Mashup of her hugging Bush and then asking the Trump questions.

What a shithead thing to do. You want this guy leading the country cause his name is Jeb? Really dude?

Dirty tricks.... not just for Nixon as it turns out. I hope the voters reject this assw@pe, and Hillary too.

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Oct 15, 2015 - 01:22pm PT

Christie is looking at the buffet table...... he notices.

Fat Dad

Trad climber

Los Angeles, CA

Oct 15, 2015 - 01:40pm PT

Oooh, couchmaster. What treachery you have alerted us to. I mean someone interested enough in the Republican nomination to vet the different candidates, including asking one of them a question. Outrageous! Your nation owes you a debt of gratitude.

A new slogan for the clueless Trump fans: "Keep on Trumpin'"

bobinc

Trad climber

Portland, Or

Oct 15, 2015 - 01:53pm PT

The woman in the front row in the picture above also appears to have bunny ears. Oh, well.

dirtbag

climber

Oct 15, 2015 - 01:55pm PT

Tippy toes and his head is angled upward.

Norton

Social climber

Oct 15, 2015 - 02:00pm PT

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Oct 15, 2015 - 03:00pm PT

I haven't carefully read every post, but from quick skimming, I see that:
pretty much everyone dislikes Jeb (although some people like his name).
Hard to see how he can win in light of the ST straw poll.

John M

climber

Oct 15, 2015 - 03:04pm PT

Hard to see how he can win in light of the ST straw poll.

we didn't like his brother either… or at least his brothers choices of playmates.

I wouldn't mind drinking a beer with George. He is pretty funny dude.

Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rove on the other hand deserve to be tried for crimes against the nation.

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Oct 15, 2015 - 04:48pm PT

Did you ever notice how Cheney never seems to age? It's that way with all the Sith lords.

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Oct 15, 2015 - 06:40pm PT

Did Anonymous stop Rove from stealing the election?

It would explain his Fox News outburst, but the Hacker claim lacks evidence

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/20/did_anonymous_stop_rove_stealing_the_election/

On Election Night, viewers watched in shock as Karl Rove refused to accept the call, confirmed by Fox News analysts, that Ohio had gone to Obama.

A release claiming to be from hacker collective Anonymous alleges there was more behind Rove’s freak-out than first met the eye. The group says that it foiled Rove’s attempt to steal the election in Florida, Virginia and Ohio by using the GOP’s ORCA system.

Two weeks prior to Election Night, a typical Anonymous video was released warning Rove against rigging the election. “We want you to know that we are watching you, waiting for you to make this mistake of thinking you can rig this election to your favor,” Anonymous’ ubiquitous Guy Fawkes character warned.

Then, following Obama’s win and Rove’s very public outburst, a group calling themselves “The Protectors,” believed to be comprised of Anonymous hackers, sent a letter to election transparency non-profit, Velvet Revolution, claiming to have thwarted attempts by GOP strategists to flip votes and rig the election in three swing states.

The letter claims that the GOP’s ORCA — a GOTV (Get Out the Vote) system — was in fact designed to rig votes in favor of Romney (although the letter does not verify this or specify how ORCA was designed to do this.) The Protectors claim that they installed a password protected firewall to block attempts to digitally rig votes:

We coded and created, what we call, The Great Oz. A targeted password protected firewall that we tested and refined over the past weeks. We place this code on more than one of the digital tunnels and their destination’s that Karl’s not so smart worker bees planned to use on election night.

The Protectors alleged these “digital tunnels” were leading to servers in three different states. The release claims that Rove’s operatives attempted to unsuccessfully breach The Great Oz firewall to access these tunnels throughout election night. “We watched as Karl’s weak corrupters repeatedly tried to penetrate The Great Oz. These children of his were at a loss-how many times and how many passwords did they try? — exactly 105.”

The details in the Anonymous claim are currently unverified and there are many lingering question. For one, as our own Alex Seitz-Wald pointed out via email, “they never explain how Rove was stealing the election in Ohio, Florida, and Virginia. [There are] not many e-voting machines and not sure how else you’d do it.”

a couple more paragraphs at link

I'm sure there are plans for rigging this election, there were many irregularities found in the 2014 Republican Sweep

make sure you vote to show your support of True Democracy by having a huge voter turnout

dirtbag

climber

Oct 15, 2015 - 07:22pm PT

Did you ever notice how Cheney never seems to age? It's that way with all the Sith lords.

Lol!

couchmaster

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2015 - 10:02am PT

I thought all the republicans did fairly well last night in the debate, but I'll lay $ratch down that Bush will pull out of the race within 3 weeks or so.

dirtbag

climber

Oct 29, 2015 - 10:21am PT

I think you're right. I don't think his heritage is much of an asset at this point.

The only thing he has going for him is his formidable war chest. But I don't see further contributions rolling in.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 29, 2015 - 10:29am PT

One more step to the Trump Palin ticket!

Norton

Social climber

Oct 29, 2015 - 10:39am PT

With 100 million dollars in his campaign bank it seems very doubtful Jeb will be leaving anytime soon.

Rubio ate his lunch last night.

couchmaster

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2015 - 05:47pm PT

...as an aside and speaking of low T, I figured that Gov. Jindal (who seems like a good dude), Lindsay Graham (who doesn't), and the other 2 back of the bus low-polling Repubs who conducted the other debate are already gone. Did anyone bother watching the other debate?

SteveW

Trad climber

The state of confusion

Oct 29, 2015 - 06:33pm PT

Timid. . .
Bush'll be gone soon. Now if we could get Hilary out too. . .

Tami--you're sooooo right. Why don't we have a 4 week long
season then get it over with, like most of the rest of the world. . .

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Oct 29, 2015 - 06:56pm PT

Oct 13, 2015 - 08:59am PT
At least his Brother kept us safe....

Yeah, that World Trade Center thing worked out really well. Brother George had it all in hand,

Brother Marvin was right on it.

dirtbag

climber

Oct 29, 2015 - 07:30pm PT

This again?

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Shetville , North of Los Angeles

Oct 29, 2015 - 07:30pm PT

Don't count Jeb out yet...The Florida Supreme Court has his back...

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Oct 29, 2015 - 07:41pm PT

as an aside and speaking of low T, I figured that Gov. Jindal (who seems like a good dude), Lindsay Graham (who doesn't), and the other 2 back of the bus low-polling Repubs who conducted the other debate are already gone. Did anyone bother watching the other debate?

You know the fix is in when Kasich, who pols exactly the same as Jindal, but since he's bought and paid for by K street gets to go to the big boy debate and Jindal, a very successful and articulate governor doesn't..

Grahmnesty, Kasich and Bush are all in the wrong party's debate.

They'd all make great moderate Democrat candidates.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Oct 29, 2015 - 07:42pm PT

Sorry Steve W.......Hillary is next.

couchmaster

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2015 - 07:44pm PT

Andy said:

"Couchmaster. I've got 20 shiny nickels says not only will Bush not bow out by 3 weeks; he will be eventual nominee."

Man, I'd bet big bucks he will NOT be the nominee. I'd be able to retire early. Bush will NOT be the nominee. Trump won't be it either.

Winemaker

Sport climber

Yakima, WA

Oct 29, 2015 - 08:13pm PT

Nope. It's Romney after a deadlocked convention. Jindal is an ass, especially as he was an 'anchor' baby himself. But now he's against it. WTF? and Cruz, by the Teabag party, isn't citizen enough to run for president. Can't have it both ways is what I say.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 29, 2015 - 09:02pm PT

"Grahmnesty, Kasich and Bush are all in the wrong party's debate."

He won't like it...he hates EVERYTHING...

Hey Mikey!

couchmaster

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 20, 2015 - 05:06pm PT

Things are getting better for Jeb! Bush. They've been able to successfully Photoshop the liver spots from his left hand away. Right photo. However, they used Obamas brothers hand as the template. Couple months from now maybe the liver spots on the right one will be gone too.

Maybe it's an attempt to get the black vote. Paging Locker or Cosmic to the proofreading help desk.....

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Dec 20, 2015 - 05:38pm PT

I believe that Bush will win the nomination.

Trump is the shiny coin being used to distract people from actually getting a chance to analyze the statements from the other GOP candidates. The fact is that our foreign policy is mucking in such a quagmire that only Hillary Clinton has the qualifications to keep us(meaning ALL of us and not just the USA) our of a world war. People, especially GOPers, will never give Obama the credit he deserves for avoiding it to date, but I believe Bush is the only GOP candidate with what it takes to take the next dance on the card.

If by some strange, outlandish, bizarre turn of events, Trump(edited, for typo that said "Bush") really did win the election, all I could suggest is to duck and cover.

Risk

Mountain climber

Olympia, WA

Dec 20, 2015 - 07:36pm PT

Bush is the only Repuglacant that stands any chance in the General. The rest are fools.

looking sketchy there...

Social climber

Lassitude 33

Dec 20, 2015 - 09:49pm PT

Rubio will be the Republican Nominee. Incidentally, he has the best chance in the General Election against Clinton. Democrats would love to run against the wingnuts, aka Trump, Cruz, Carson, et al. But saner heads in the Republican establishment won't let that happen.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 20, 2015 - 09:51pm PT

I don't disagree with you, Happy.

However, Bush is hamstrung by Trump, who takes up almost all of the space in media, with his outlandish pronouncements. So much so, that candidates like Bush are forced to spend whatever time they have on page one responding to what they think about Trump.

Bush has spend HUGE dollars in advertising, and has nothing to show for it. He might as well have burned it.

And let it be noted, that there is particular animosity between Bush and Trump. Trump is loving the effect he is having on Bush, and has no real reason to back off, whatsoever. Even if he loses primaries, he can still such the media oxygen out of the tent, leaving none for Bush.

Probably the primary beneficiaries of this are Cruz (unelectable) and Rubio, who might stand a chance in Hell.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Dec 20, 2015 - 10:00pm PT

Trump leading by 15pts in NH, Cruz up by the same or more in Iowa. Rubio getting his ass kicked in both states, and not looking much better in the south either.

I think the inmates (base) have taken over the asylum, might go all the way to the convention. Rubio is the establishment's choice now that Bush tanked it. But Rubio will not beat whichever of Cruz and Trump are left standing. Those two are drawing from the same set of voters, and that's totalling around 60% of the GOP vote, when one of them drops out, expect the other to get a big boost. Marco "The Waterboy" Rubio is toast (not that he ever had a chance anyway, guy was always in the race to try to get a VP or Cabinet slot)

WBraun

climber

Dec 20, 2015 - 10:27pm PT

Putinator will win and Americans will have their beer taken away and be forced to drink vodka ......

nah000

climber

no/w/here

Dec 20, 2015 - 10:27pm PT

this game of establishment brinkmanship is starting to get interesting.

at this point there are only six weeks left until the start of the primaries and twelve weeks until they are essentially half done.

and right now fox news has the national polls at:

trump - 39%
cruz - 18%
rubio - 11%
carson - 9%
bush, christie, fiorina + paul - 3% each

while, imo, the smart money should, this far out, still be on the establishment guy [ie. rubio]... and i wouldn't completely rule out bush just yet... it's starting to get to the point where bush is going to need a couple of hail marys and rubio needs a solid fourth quarter...

there's a reason the establishment is wringing their hands and during this election cycle the big republican funders [after their experience with rove, fox news and romney in the last election cycle] have started to put their money into independent super pacs rather than the individual candidate aligned ones of years past...

and it's not because the establishment or the big funders have a lock on this just yet.

all round an entertaining situation for the non-republicans and what has to be downright pepto bismol consumption inducing if you're an establishment republican...

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Dec 20, 2015 - 10:30pm PT

"Putinator will win and Americans"

Did anyone hear about the Trump/Putin Bromance that happened last week?

Those two f*#kwads were made for each other.

Escopeta

Trad climber

Idaho

Dec 21, 2015 - 03:44am PT

I continue to find it ironic that otherwise seemingly intelligent people, like those found on this site, still think there is even a modicum of difference between Republicans and Democrats.

If you haven't reached the conclusion that both of these parties are focused on expanding government control, reducing individual liberty and escalating foreign entanglements, then I would argue that you need your head shrunk.

Arguing Republican and Democrat is like trying to decide if you want to die by hanging or the electric chair.

Bad Climber

Trad climber

The Lawless Border Regions

Dec 21, 2015 - 06:21am PT

What Locker spewed:

The last thing this country needs is another one of those c*#k sucking Bush MoFo's...

Yep, I'm with ya on this one. I truly hate ALL the options, both sides, on this one. What a messed up system when this is the "best" we can get. Every time I hear/read something about ISIS, I get freakin' angry at that DB GWB for invading that crappy sand country. Hussain was horrendous, but who can argue that what has followed him is better?

I may skip voting for prez this year. Local stuff matters more, anyway. Maybe we in Cali can vote for another bullet train?! Yeah!

BAd

dirtbag

climber

Dec 21, 2015 - 06:51am PT

I've maintained it will be Rubio for several months.

Yet he has simply not caught on with the base. His polling is stuck at around 10%. He's likeable enough, but not loved.

So, I have no idea. It will be either trump, Cruz or rubio, all with an equally likely chance.

No one seems interested in Jeb.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Dec 21, 2015 - 07:10am PT

The Bern is ahead of where BHO was in the fund raising at this stage when he went on to trounce Hildebeest.

There's a full on revolt in both parties against the oligarchists.

If Hildiebeest has bought all of the delegates and the Bern wins the popular vote the Dem convention could be a riot. (literally)

All of the insurgent Repubs are in double digits and none of the "establishment" candidates can break out of single digits.

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Dec 21, 2015 - 07:10am PT

Agree with the comments that Rubio is a young, goofy looking, inexperienced, unqualified lightweight. His most distinguishing characteristic as a candidate is that he's not a WASP. He can give a decent speech.

If recent history is any guide, it means he should have an excellent shot at being elected president.

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Dec 21, 2015 - 07:13am PT

I know you guys have heard it ad naseum, but it's true-most of the country is fed up with the standard issue party establishment. We certainly aren't ready to endorse a dynasty either D or R. So where does that leave us? Trump at the moment. Maybe Cruz after Iowa. In november, those independent voters not to repulsed will hold their nose and vote for the least of evils, whoever that then is perceived to be.

dirtbag

climber

Dec 21, 2015 - 07:38am PT

If recent history is any guide, it means he should have an excellent shot at being elected president.

People were excited about an Obama candidacy, at this stage. Are folks excited about Rubio?

10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired Climber

Dec 21, 2015 - 07:50am PT

Rubio's looks have been touted as advantage. I don't agree. He looks boyish and that look lacks experience.

DMT

Cruz looks like a kid also.

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Dec 21, 2015 - 08:45am PT

Gotta get Kermit on the ticket... Then we can just call it a day.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Dec 21, 2015 - 09:03am PT

Y'all saw it here FIRST!

PUTIN IN 2016!

You know in yer heart he's Da Man!
(can we get the Constitution changed in time?)

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Dec 21, 2015 - 09:07am PT

There's a full on revolt in both parties against the oligarchists.

Um, no. Hillary leads by 40pts. Establishment choice. T-Rump, otoh, leads by about 20pts, non-establishment choice. Not even remotely comparable. But then again, when you get your "insight" via cartoons...DERP.

Good looks are the key. After all I have fond memories of Presidents Gary Hart and Jack Kemp.

This one is a crackup: "Jindal is a successful governor". Lest I remind you, the guy started with an $865 million surplus and ended with a $1.6 billion budget deficit. Approval rating among his constituents is <20% with even GOP constituents having a 55% disapproval rate. The guy is polling lower in approval than GWB ever did, now that's BAD.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Dec 21, 2015 - 09:14am PT

"There's a full on revolt in both parties against the oligarchists."

TGT is just excited to see Bernie erode Hillary's support, in the same way I'm excited to see Trump erode the support of any other GOP candidate. He's hoping it will result in splitting the vote, or at least disenfranchising enough of the Democratic voters to get them to stay home on election day....giving more an edge to whatever jerkwad the GOP puts forth.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Dec 21, 2015 - 09:29am PT

Lindsey Graham, one of the only sane ones, has left the race.

Norton

Social climber

Dec 21, 2015 - 09:31am PT

it must be said over and over and over

no Republican Presidential candidate can get to the 270 Electoral Votes to be Pres.

can't get there, everything else is irrelevant

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Dec 21, 2015 - 09:33am PT

LOL DMT? He's got Putins endorsement; a man who probably has a higher approval rating here than our current prez or congress.

WBraun

climber

Dec 21, 2015 - 09:53am PT

Hahaha

Go get em politards .....

Fluid

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Dec 21, 2015 - 10:54am PT

The tired left/right partition is inadequate. There is support to cut the pie cross-wise, as populist vs. the few. Laugh at poor people all you want, they are right to follow their own self-defined interest, whether it be Sanders or, as insane as it first appears, Trump. Obviously elites will do everything they can to stop it. Many republican billionaires will switch to Hillary before Donald, they know she will defend their interests. The irony is unmissable.

crankster

Trad climber

No. Tahoe

Dec 21, 2015 - 11:03am PT

Many republican billionaires will switch to Hillary before Donald,

Oh yeah, Republican billionaires love campaign finance reform, expanding Obamacare, stronger environmental and gun control laws, funding Planned Parenthood, reducing college tuition, gay marriage equality, paid family leave, increasing the minimum wage...these are really their hot button issues.

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Dec 21, 2015 - 11:03am PT

Russian billionaires back The Trumpster at the request of the Putinator.

dirtbag

climber

Dec 21, 2015 - 11:07am PT

You mean, the parties are not the same?

Fluid

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Dec 21, 2015 - 11:11am PT

The primary billionaire issues are pliability of the workforce and wall street reform. They're happy for distraction from secondary issues, and don't even all agree on them anyway.

From your list above only campaign finance reform is on their main radar, and they're happy with Hillary.

August West

Trad climber

Where the wind blows strange

Dec 21, 2015 - 03:45pm PT

I continue to find it ironic that otherwise seemingly intelligent people, like those found on this site, still think there is even a modicum of difference between Republicans and Democrats.

I've said it on another thread, but it is worth repeating. Sure, there are some things where there isn't much difference. I don't have any particular reason to think the Middle East would be better under a D or an establishment R. But some things would be a lot different. I don't see Ginsburg lasting another 4 years. The Supreme Court could be a lot different based on whether a D or R replaces her. There have been a lot of big 5/4 decisions that have really affected American lives.

Another example, A D would do far more with regard to climate change.

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Dec 21, 2015 - 04:23pm PT

American politard loons trying to squeeze Utopia out of their own self created dystopian karmic nightmare

You forgot Crank and sheeple.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 21, 2015 - 04:49pm PT

The Endorsement Primary.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

"In presidential primaries, endorsements have been among the best predictors of which candidates will succeed and which will fail. So we’re keeping track."

Two months ago, Bush the only Republican in double digits. Certainly a shift.

REPRESENTATIVES
1 POINT EACH

SENATORS
5 POINTS EACH

GOVERNORS
10 POINTS EACH
TOTAL POINTS
Jeb Bush 46
Marco Rubio 35
Chris Christie 26
Mike Huckabee 25
John Kasich 15
Rand Paul 15
Ted Cruz 12
Lindsey Graham 5
Carly Fiorina 3
Scott Walker 2
Rick Perry 1
Rick Santorum 1

Hillary Clinton 455
Bernie Sanders 2
Martin O'Malley 1

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Dec 21, 2015 - 04:57pm PT

Trump has NO endorsements?

dirtbag

climber

Dec 21, 2015 - 05:36pm PT

Trump has NO endorsements?

David Duke likes him.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 21, 2015 - 11:02pm PT

Trump has NO endorsements?

None

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Dec 22, 2015 - 08:44am PT

Werner - you are endorsing the Putinator? In that image he is riding western with both hands on the reins, fergodzsakes! Real men ride western with one hand gently handling the reins.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Dec 22, 2015 - 09:58am PT

No, actually, the western rider knows well his horse has a brain and understand the subtle cues being given. Wrenching in the bit, as the Putinator is doing in the various images of him on that ride, of a horse used to western riding, is only confusing. Putinator uses force where a soft, guiding hand would have better results!

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Dec 22, 2015 - 09:58am PT

Yes, it's time for Jeb to go whimpering into that long night.

EdwardT

Trad climber

Retired

Dec 22, 2015 - 10:05am PT

Yes, it's time for Jeb to go whimpering into that long night.

If only Christie or Kasich can hang in there and gain some ground... I might vote Republican this time.

dirtbag

climber

Dec 22, 2015 - 10:09am PT

One reason why Rubio's candidacy hasn't taken off might be that he isn't well liked by party big shots, being seen as an opportunistic, ladder climbing backstabber.

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/18/10461080/marco-rubio-man-in-a-hurry

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Dec 22, 2015 - 10:18am PT

The fact that another Shrub is even in the running is amusing.

The elections have really just devolved into a very elaborate Jerry Springer episode.

I suspect Chelsea's latest spawn might be Trump's. Where's that paternity testing guy?

Unfortunately the only people who should be head puppet either can't afford to run, don't want to run, or will run and be promptly discredited and or discounted by the MSM (or assasinated if that fails).

Bread and Circus for everyone! Don't forget to VOTE! lol

jstan

climber

Dec 22, 2015 - 10:45am PT

2016 is a little early for Alex. If we are still here, maybe by 2020?

661climber

climber

Central valley

Dec 22, 2015 - 02:26pm PT

Feel the bern!

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 22, 2015 - 07:37pm PT

Still regret that Powell did not run. Should have been President.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Dec 22, 2015 - 10:33pm PT

yeah, well, I think my pup is a Republican, she has been barking at shadows recently. The kitten, a reactionary, running around the place. And I love them both.

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber

I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!

Dec 22, 2015 - 10:45pm PT

quick question,

why do people discuss politics on a climbing forum,

brain dead? born a mutant? don't have a life? IQ=23?

Helpless? Hopeless? Useless? Insane? Retarded? Ignorant?

oh, and Merry Christmas!

WBraun

climber

Dec 23, 2015 - 06:58am PT

why do people discuss politics on a climbing forum,

No one has ever climbed on a forum.

It's only all talk .....

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Dec 23, 2015 - 07:05am PT

"Climbers don't talk about climbing enough" said nobody ever.

EdwardT

Trad climber

Retired

Dec 23, 2015 - 07:09am PT

why do people discuss politics on a climbing forum

For most, it's entertainment. Just passing the time.

Then there's the hardcore political junkies....

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Dec 23, 2015 - 07:56am PT

"why do people discuss politics on a climbing forum,"

Name three places worth climbing that aren't on land controlled by The Government.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Dec 23, 2015 - 08:02am PT

The last time I was in dire need of a rescue you shoulda heard the political conversation I had
with myself when I saw an Army helo fly damn near right over me without making the slightest
attempt to find me!

"Where's the gubmint when you need 'em?"

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Dec 23, 2015 - 08:07am PT

Name three places worth climbing that aren't on land controlled by The Government.

Gunks
Horseshoe Canyon Ranch
Crawdad Canyon

WBraun

climber

Dec 23, 2015 - 09:08am PT

Govt. controls everything either by direct or indirect means.

There's no escape ....

dirtbag

climber

Dec 23, 2015 - 09:20am PT

Jeb!

No...really...!

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Dec 23, 2015 - 09:29am PT

Dr. Sprock.... because we can....

oh yea the answer to your q's..... all of the above, and more.

Merry Christmas to all, happy New Year or whatever you wish to celebrate...

Me... I'll celebrate when JEB! retires for good.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 23, 2015 - 11:07am PT

oh, and Merry Christmas!

And why you discuss your religious proclivities on a climbing forum???

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber

Old and Broken Down in Appalachia

Dec 24, 2015 - 04:04am PT

When you think about Jeb Bush, I hope you keep in mind his track record.

Remember Terri Shiavo? She was young woman with bulimia in Florida who vomited so much that her potassium dropped to critical levels and she went into cardiac arrest. She suffer a serious anoxic brain injury during her cardiac arrest and was a "vegetable." I saw her last brain CT scan - her grey matter had atrophied to the point that almost nothing was left of her cerebral cortex. She had no brain activity, save for some primitive brain stem control of respirations, and spinal cord reflexes.

Terri was kept alive by a feeding tube.

Her husband - and legal medical power of attorney - decided to remove the feeding tube and allow Terri to die.

Jeb Bush - and the Christian bandwagon - decided that this was choice was against the Christian religion (what would Jesus do?), so Jeb Bush - and the Republicans in federal Congress - attempted to wrestle control of Terry from her husband, using the bible as the legal justification.

Remember this when you go to the voting booth. Jeb Bush will turn this democracy into a theocracy.