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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 5, 2015 - 09:09pm PT
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(Sorry in advance for my venting if you're one of the people who's need for companionship outweighs your distaste for picking up sh*t)
Just bought a house and from the time I got off work until it got too dark I've been picking up dog crap while my wife has been vacuuming loads of hair from the previous owners' "best friends"
It seems like if you're a male in the USA it's taboo to not like annoying, up in your business, loud, expensive and rank animals.
Who cares if they're at the crags, they suck everywhere!
And sorry to tell you, dog lovers, but animals don't experience higher level emotions like envy, regret, empathy, or LOVE. It's called the limbic system and mostly in the amygdala which, as a matter of fact, is not the same as in humans. i.e. they're missing the important parts. Go ahead and argue that they have higher level emotions but it's the scientific equivalent of arguing that humans have wings; we can observe and measure its absence, too bad, Scruffy doesn't love you.
The end.
I can't be the only one out there!?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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NTry a cat?
Edit: there is dog piss in your floorboards.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
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I am praying for you. If dog sh#t gets you upset I don't have an answer.
-Q-ball
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Dogs are OK
However, too many of their parental units do not own up to their responsibility.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dogs love me.
I really like & enjoy hanging with a very few dogs, and dislike the rest of the barking, snarling, jumping & pawing, carrion-rolling, lawn-shitting, car-chasing, bad-smelling, slobbering, farting, ill-mannered lot.
And I really don't like their owners, who encourage them to be aggressive & nasty dogs.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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limpingcrab-
do you feel better now?
If so, great.
Now we know you hate dogs.
C ya, wouldn't wanna B ya.
ps- you should hate your realtor.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2015 - 09:25pm PT
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Ya I feel a little better, thanks!
My realtor is my cousin and she loves dogs
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Chew-toy ski pole handles. (Yum! Any more of these?)
Cork-handled fly-rods. (Oh, that has a delicious-smelling "nose!")
Approach shoes. (Neat--These taste like chicken!)
Sometimes cuddly don't cut it.
Sometimes it takes more determination than we have to deal with Fido.
And picking up doggie-doo is a great big turn-off.
Never again.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Did you consider buying a cat-, bird-, snake-, or brown recluse- owner type house instead?
Did they fail to divulge that they had a dog or dogs?
Have you considered a neutron-bomb like device that would destroy only dog feces and/or hair?
Do have insurance?
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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I have an old, grumpy cat that barfs twice a day and continuously dribbles pee everyplace he goes. However, he loves people. He is filthy and stinks. Please come and pick him up. I assure you he is not a dog.
You cannot have my dog. She is sweet, shits and pees only when she can get outside and loves me, other dogs, all people and even the cat. All she wants from life is play, sleep and food - in that order.
I'll give $100 if you come get the cat. I am willing to negotiate up to perhaps $1000 if you take the cat depending on details.
I'll break your knees if you try to take the dog.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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'gree with OP
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John M
climber
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the majority of dog misbehavior is a reflection of a lousy owner. Some dogs are pretty much untrainable, but most you can work with if you start them early and remain consistent.
Don't hate the dog. Recognize that the owner is probably…. well.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2015 - 09:39pm PT
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Ha! I can deal with cats and am neither for nor against them. They just kinda exist. $100 is tempting, especially since my wife wants a new cat with the new house. The barf is not so tempting...
Edit: I will continue to hate the dog until I meet one that's not annoying. Those old almost dead ones are cool because they just lie there. Owners are also cool because they're human, save for the fact that they have a dog
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John M
climber
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LOL…I'm mostly the opposite. I have known lots of great dogs, but fewer great people.
Plenty of pain in the ass dogs too.. but again that was mostly because the owner was pathetic.
Use the voice and tone of that lady in the video of the bear attack on her kayak..
Oh. I just don't know why fluffy keeps chewing up your yard. I told her and told her not to do that. But dogs will be dogs I guess..
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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A friend of mine lets her parrot lose in the house.
There is bird sh#t in the Oreos.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Did the parrot get sick
No, but it got nasty zits!
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Oct 5, 2015 - 10:39pm PT
Chocolate
is BAD for parrots.
Did the parrot get sick?
No. The bird is smarter than the owner. It won't eat food that it has shat on.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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i don't know, man.
dogs don't bug me.
they don't bite me,
they don't bark at me.
and they don't
shite in my way.
you just gotta be
exceedingly weird.
like an owl.
you ever see a dog
bark at an owl?
no. they just
cast their eyes
up, and screw
their head a few
degrees curious.
i get dogs.
once though,
a bulldog
grabbed my collie
by the neck
and proceeded
to kill her
in the vice.
i lowered down
and thrust
a warning shoulder
into the bulldog's
breast.
something of a spit
shower and yelp
issued of its maw
and my collie took
leave, right sharpish.
cool, i got to
talk about myself
again.
thanks for the padded
thread.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Your doggerel is dog tiring, get a new grip.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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f*#k off sawyer
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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] Sweet, I have been wondering when and where to go off
Dogs ~
they have more human emotions and learn what to be
I took a loaded gun from a puppy mill Ahmed the Arab had a Sable Shepard from Chezc
She was Schutzund trained for a year then put in a box and airmailed to Nj.
To a house that floods and back in a damn box to breed.
then once she had gone kennel blind and lost her sense of smell,
and bred nealy to death, she was put up on craigslist , unfixed.
the dollar amount was an insult and we saw her and left.
Two hours of driving latter I knew what and to be done.
The next day I returned carrying,
when we got back to the shores of the Passaic river
we sat and explained to a neighbor what we thought was going on in the house on the river.
The women there confirmed;
"Ho yes vicious dogs are trained there"
"with the guys in those padded suits hitting them with sticks to provoke them."
Argh.[Click to View YouTube Video]
So armed with this information we called animal welfare and asked them to come back me up.
The wife held back as the police arrived and tried to dissuade me and threatened to arrest me.
They wanted to know where my ride was.
I rang the door bell and was let in,
choking from the stench of the flood ravaged condemned house.
This little girl dog had been pinned through the butt,
to hold her in place to be bred, rapped.
the ooze stunk from the wound.
She was matted and covered in filth.
A actually hard coat of old excrement clung to her nips that are an inch long.
asked for the cash I said
"I need to see how she walks on a leash."
Ahmed said;
"I dont think thats a good idea, she's not an outside dog, my program is for police K-9's"
Do you have a leash with you there isn't one here"
Prepared, I pulled out a blue nylon braided sting with a ring at the end, and girth hitched the dogs neck.
My hart was pounding and so the dog was upset. She could tell some thing was about to happen.
Ahmed again was nervous and said she was trained to bite but 'hasn't worked for along time.
please be careful. . .
' then he said that the back yard was the training area and that it might be dangerous with out pads to go back by the river.
I said that I was an outdoors sort of guy and I like to go fishing so I want to walk her along the river back there.
He said that It has been to wet, it would be better to just go out front on the drive way to the street , and usherd us to the front door.
He opend the door wide for me and the dog to go through, standing far back as we passed , so not seeing the cops.
Half a step in front of me she looked back then cowerd in the sunshine .
The cops hit their lights as Ahmed came after us.
At the flashing cruiser, I stopped and turned to him and a said do you want to explain to these men why she has a runny wound and a hole at the top of her tail?
This dog stunk from thirty paces away you could smell it, rot and crap and mold.
Her black coat was grey, coverd in shjt.
The one cop knelt down and inspected the wound got a wiff
and gaged and radioed,
in came animal welfare .
By now the neighbors were out on their front lawns -
A buxom blond, in a white car with out of state plates,
screeched to a stop at the end of the drive way,
the cops waved me on, and I got in and took off with the dog.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-smartest-dog-in-the-world/
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christoph benells
Trad climber
Tahoma, Ca
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limpingcrab:
if you can't beat em then join em
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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No DOG NO BIRDS NO KIDS just GUNS..
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Ya'll just need to learn to understand "dog". Here, I'll give you a primer.
This is the "aren't you done with the toilet yet??" look.
Now here is the "how come you haven't fed me yet??" look.
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cliffhanger
Trad climber
California
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It's a matter of the good and the bad. Overall the good wins, I think. But the bad is much worse than so far discussed.
Dog sh1t is full of disease bacteria and parasites. The parasitic eggs can persist for decades, lurking in the soil in what appears to be a very clean area, back yards and public parks. Parasites that can kill or cripple, especially dangerous to children. See Monsters Inside Me on the Animal Planet. Dried sh1t can turn into airborn dust, spreading disease and parasites far and wide, another lethal component to air pollution. Cats and livestock also contribute to this unsavory air pollution.
http://junkscience.com/2011/08/18/new-urban-air-pollution-problem-dog-poop/
Cats kill much of the native wildlife, birds, snakes etc that would otherwise still be able to survive in the cities (dogs much less so). The dogs kill many cats, to their credit. Our dog, when I was a kid, kept the back yard free of cats but ignored all bird activity creating a bird sanctuary. He'd be laying out on the lawn with a big flock of birds all around him.
The big overwhelming plus for dogs, cats, and all animal pets is that they teach humans what beautiful creatures animals are. They teach humans empathy for animals in general. How else would humans have any idea at all of the nature of animals without this close personal contact?
Cat problem:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/645372/3-billion-people-infected-with-the-brain-parasite-Toxoplasma
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Lurkingtard
climber
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If you don't like my dog I don't like you. If my dog doesn't like you I don't like you.
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overwatch
climber
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Not all dog owners have it but it is called anthropomorphism. It is basically a psychological disorder. I agree with the op except for the hatem part, I think they are pretty cool.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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I've known about this book Gnome, it's a great share. And it hits the nail right on the head; dogs are dogs, not people. The behavior of a dog is based on wolf behavior essentially, and they have emotions and are problem solvers.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Hate dogs? Really? How do you feel about people? God knows our sh*t is even more nasty.
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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Dogs have enough sense to enjoy the outdoors and they don't waste time whining about humans on the internet.
There is that.
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Karen
Trad climber
Casper, Wyoming
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Dogs drool, cats rule !!!!!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Ron, everybody! Ron away!
+1 MooseGrowl
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 23, 2015 - 02:09pm PT
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I keep telling the wife the dog doesn't have an amigdula (sp), and thus, doesn't feel love.
She laughs when he shows obvious love over the simple fact that we woke up. Ever witness a dog wagging it's tail so aggressively that it wakes up your partner?
Love.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Oct 23, 2015 - 02:21pm PT
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Put yourself on a lease. Dogs have just as much right as you to be here. Dogs rock. Humans in general, not so much.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Oct 23, 2015 - 02:36pm PT
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Agreed, it is the owners. I like dawgs
Wandering up the stillwater river with the river drowining out most noise. All of a sudden an unleashed big ass dawg rounds the corner barking and trying to look menacing. I held my ground. Several minutes later the owner finally comes around the corner. Told her she should leash her dawg and she just poo-pooed me and kept on going without an apology. Not the first time and not the last.
Leash your fricken dawgs!
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Oct 23, 2015 - 02:51pm PT
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We can see dogs as half empty or half full, and then believe that's about the dog or about other people. I wouldn't call it a psychological disorder, I'd call it a psychology :-) You're ok, just like the dog anthropomorphizers and their dogs. Can't wait to see the documentary "Humans decoded" but we're not quite there. Yet.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Oct 23, 2015 - 06:06pm PT
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Well this is a pickle I have to walk the loaded gun , I am quick and so she is too,
I will be right back,
back to say, Ojai Alex,
( I think )if you got bit, then the owner and you both should report the event .
If a dog is a biter it will bite again. did you do anything to provoke the dog?
even if you hit it with a stick , it should not go unreported.
Next time it could bite a kid.
no,
don't make a case out of what the owner did not do, have the dog on a leash or a muzzle
a Leash law, is in place? It is only good if it is enforced.
( so maybe make a case? I would try to avoid the whole law thing)
But, someone needs to be the dog's owners conscious,
and screw the good neighbor bull,
the dog must now and going forward be muzzled or leashed or both .
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Oct 23, 2015 - 09:30pm PT
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^you know the list I could generate like that for humans? rock climbers? retro-bolters?
those face-kisses, though, you're totally right. absolute PITA. I mean I have to pull out my micro-biner'd hand-sani after each one. some of use shaved today!!! YUK!
and yeah, my dog will totally nut-tap/ass-tap anyone, first-time, with his nose. old ladies, little kids. whatever....like I don't drool over whatever pound of viable flesh walks by, in my own way. you think my woman likes my dog-like glances, my indiscriminate nut-scratches, my penchant for pissing in the yard, right on the petunias?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Oct 23, 2015 - 09:40pm PT
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you ever pet a human, man? I mean the stink is slightly novel, but yuuuuuuuuuk!!!!
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 23, 2015 - 09:41pm PT
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Dog eats stool.
and then becomes Americas best friend .....
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Lurkingtard
climber
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Oct 23, 2015 - 09:43pm PT
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I licked one the other night. I was like gross but I got used to it. She liked it. Sacrifices.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Oct 23, 2015 - 09:49pm PT
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yeah they're a f*#king sh#t-ton of work, cleaning up the excrement, providing food, medicine, obedience guidance. but really, they provide more joy (for me) than they cost.
-never say no to a hike;
-perpetually stoked to greet the day with you, no matter the conditions;
-possess integral fleece, but better;
-ballsy as f*#k about cl 4/5 descents;
-never bitches;
-emotionally attuned in a way that many folks are not;
-always game for another lap around the block;
-don't drink your beer or smoke your smokeables;
-will throw down in a heartbeat for you, against that cougar/rabid 'yote ...also a likelier target on those long runs;
-tests my sex partners for VD/infidelity/fertility (why you think he's always up in her sh#t?);
-carries his own weight backpacking, totally (plus my camp shoes);
-slays the opposite sex with his good looks and infinite charm;
-knocks about 1/100th as much rock as humans, when scrambling above;
-lets me know when bears approach camp;
-always viable no matter the adventure or his particular weakness with the task (dude turned into a hell of a boater!!)
I will trade it for some outdoor dookies that I needa pick up, being a proper master, etc.
EDIT: for werner.
Dog eats human stool; pig eats dog stool; human eats sh#t-fed pig bacon, cylce begins anew. this is nothing new. and stool-eating may have something to do with gut health. why do humans dying of antibiotic poisoning survive after (this is crazy) STOOL TRANSPLANTS? Because sh#t carries more than just crap.
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Lurkingtard
climber
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Oct 23, 2015 - 09:54pm PT
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At least you can sit on a stool.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2015 - 10:43pm PT
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Warbler for the win
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 24, 2015 - 05:56am PT
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Since people give dogs people status I treat dogs like people. Some people and dogs are born as#@&%es and they usually don't change regardless of who their owners are. I tend to like dogs who are really cool and I feel a connection to. there are many dogs and people I have zero interest in haveing a connection with.
Fact. no one loves your dog or cat as much as you do. Of course it's exceedingly rare for us to bring our cats out in public and force them on other people. At least 50% of the people who tell you they don't mind your mutt slobbering all over them are just being polite. 99% of the people who tell you they don't mind your mutt barking at them are being polite. Yes we do mind. Yes we know it's considered rude to object to your right to impose your mutt on us so we are polite and tell you it's ok and lie about how awsome the filthy beast is..
last week at the music jam a good friend of mine brings is scraggly little shitt dog that looks and smells like a dirty mop head. The thing takes up residence on top of my wool jacket which was on my guitar case. My friend asked if it was ok and commented (in baby talk) on how sweet she looked curled up in it. I was polite but I was also a bit grossed out with that scraggly mutt on my jacket......
red and black checkered woolie with scraggly white sh#t dog hair all over it.. C,mon man..............
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Oct 24, 2015 - 01:27pm PT
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When you provide food, housing, medical care, affection, grooming, treats, play dates, transportation etc. etc. and are expected to follow around behind them picking up their sh#t, who is really in charge?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 24, 2015 - 01:50pm PT
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spectreman
Trad climber
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Oct 24, 2015 - 07:48pm PT
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I would much rather spend time with a good dog as opposed to the miserable SOB who started this thread and all the other "haters" posting on this site.
What a bunch of cry baby 3 year olds. Waaaa, the doggie might lick me, waaaaa the doggie might jump up on me, waaaaa waaaaaa
You all are too busy with your little group masterbation party to see any good in the world.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 24, 2015 - 07:53pm PT
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When you provide food, housing, medical care, affection, grooming, treats, play dates, transportation etc. etc. and are expected to follow around behind them picking up their sh#t, who is really in charge?
I take it you have no children ?
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Phantom X
Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
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Oct 24, 2015 - 09:25pm PT
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Why did you buy a dung-a-lo on Dog Doo Lane if you hate dogs??
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Oct 25, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
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Good shot, Ricky!
Got two. With luck, they'll do the same for me before too long.
And no, I didn't have 'em spayed.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 25, 2015 - 11:34pm PT
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Is this a political thread?
Okay, if not, I'll bite.
I have a lovely 11-month border collie-lab mix, Aggie.
I grew up in California with dogs, cats, horses, goats, even a monkey (that will invite a lot of comment I am sure).
I just brought a kitten, Betty, into the house from the SPCA. Aggie and her are best of mates after a few days.
Yes, dogs can be a pain, so can nuclear weapons.
I understand if people do not like dogs, especially unruly ones.
I took a border collie-lab mix from Wales to London to California to Ireland. He was my little boy.
Really though, are dogs any worse than say, gang members in LA?
Gnome, that is a real good video, it explains a lot.
EDIT
Norwegian, my comment earlier about your doggerel was meant to be light hearted, I did not mean to offend you, I have enough issues in life without pissing off people.
I am a zoologist by training and vocation, I make my living as a journalist. Though I was a full-time carer for Jennie until she went into a nursing home.
Aggie is a well-behaved dog, people love her, but she is not perfect. Neither am I.
(Another Edit)
And I can still lead 5.9 (HVS), but scared every time. Watch me, tension!
To add, Aggie is a great pup, I know that it takes a dog person to appreciate a canine friend. A friend that has been with us for thousands of years, that we fed and that protected us. I also understand why people are averse to dogs, but why? They can be more loyal than a lot of humans, and I have a kitten clawing at me now, little rascal.
MORE EDIT
So some of you complain that a dog sh*ts and you may step in it. Hmmm, not nice, dog crap. But what do us humans put on this earth, feces?
I ALWAYS pick up after my dogs, always. In London, California, Dun Laoghaire, every place. How many of you pick up your trash? I thought so.
Really though, are dogs any worse than say, gang members in LA?
Or climbers at Stoney Point? oops, I am a northern Californian, I should not write that.
More EDIT
His name was Ci ("key"), Welsh for dog, not very original am I, Ki in Britanny, France (Madra in Irish but Goildelic/Gaelic Celtic and Brythonic Celtic are different).
Not many similarities, though Cú is hound in Irish. Ci, cú close.
In German, hund/huande, French, chien, close to ci I suppose.
I am not a linguist, but a zoologist and journalist, and a dog lover.
One more edit
It's blowing a gale here, must be Patricia, wait, she is in Mexico, headed to Texas, last I heard.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Oct 26, 2015 - 03:39am PT
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Limping-CRAB,
your name explains how you deal with problems. Let's take a look at some of your evidence and conclusion.
And sorry to tell you, dog lovers, It's called the limbic system and mostly in the amygdala which, as a matter of fact, is not the same as in humans. i.e. they're missing the important parts. Go ahead and argue that they have higher level emotions but it's the scientific equivalent of arguing that humans have wings; we can observe and measure its absence, too bad, Scruffy doesn't love you .
We can note the absence of a structure but other structures can make up for the workings of a missing/underdeveloped structure. You have merely said that since dogs lack some structure that humans have, you then concluded dogs could not possibly have such and such properties because humans get that property from such a structure.
The conclusion is just dumb assed reasoning from you. You and that dumb assed science you quote haven't actually shown what dogs actually feel/think.
Try this: Take a trip to Mexico, pull off at some scenic site and then take a short hike in the that small locale. The human shite that is everywhere is more disgusting that some dog ....
BTW: The whole world is poopy!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 26, 2015 - 08:35am PT
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To add, Aggie has been a great friend and companion in the "loss" of Jennie.
She doe not poop in the house anymore (that stopped months ago, when she was about five months old), and when on the beach ONLY (other dog walkers are amazed) goes in the surf (never on the beach, though I still carry plastic bags). She only relieves herself in the surf, I have never seen that before, must be some sort of hygiene trait.
No sense in picking it up as the tide carries it out. I tried once, but the surf took it out. Sorry beach surfers, but I would imagine that you put worse into the sea than Aggie does. Again, other dog walkers are amazed that Ags only poops and pees in the sea, never on the beach.
As a sailor and former surfer I know that I put "crap" into the sea, though I try not to.
The Celtic Sea stretches from Ireland to France and Spain, I do not think a little dog poop will make a difference.
I cannot remember when I was toilet trained, can any of you?
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 26, 2015 - 10:18am PT
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I have been sent an email that says I claim to always pick up after my dogs, and yet I let Aggie poo in the sea. Okay, point taken. I am a hypocrite.
But even other fellow dog walkers agree, when Ag's poo washes away, nobody is going to step in it.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 26, 2015 - 10:31am PT
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Kevin I have a cat. Boots died in April, he is buried in the backyward, the best grave I could make, the plaque reads...
Boots
In Loving Memory
Jennie and Patrick
I just wrote Jen in the nursing home, telling her of Boots' demise, I have been holding off all these months so as to not distress her. She loved Boots, asked if he could be in the nursing home with her back in December.
I got the pup Aggie in March. I did not mind (well… truth be told) cleaning up after her in those first few weeks.
Now, I have a kitten literally sitting on my shoulders (brat cat), Betty, named after my dear late mother Elizabeth. She and Aggie hit it off within hours, no make that minutes, of meeting. Both from the Wexford SPCA.
If I could take a selfie, Betty is literally sitting on my shoulder, sort of like a parrot on the pirate's shoulder in the movies.
Jennie is in a nursing home for the foreseeable future, I love her. But I have a puppy and kitten that are making great companions.
I understand people not loving dogs, I am not one of them obviously.
Dogs have been with us for tens of thousands of years (depending on your view), wine about 6,000 years, beer about 3,000 depending on what science you ascribe to.
I love my puppy and my kitten (she is tiny, she'll grow but I don't think she will be a big cat). And she is still sitting on my shoulder, brat cat.
Dogs are okay, great in fact, it's the human that really makes the difference.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 26, 2015 - 10:38am PT
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If a dog is still barking it is clearly under done.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 26, 2015 - 10:39am PT
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Jim, any good recipes?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 26, 2015 - 10:41am PT
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Start them in cold water just like lobsters.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 26, 2015 - 10:45am PT
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Yeah Kevin, I know what duck diving is, and if you encounter dog poo, swim past it. Rather dog poo than a shark.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 26, 2015 - 10:47am PT
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Jim, I put my lobsters in the freezer for a while, then they are comatose. I do not want to piss off PETA.
I don't think I can fit the puppy in the freezer.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2015 - 11:00am PT
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I would much rather spend time with a good dog as opposed to the miserable SOB who started this thread and all the other "haters" posting on this site. Ha! we've never met but you just insulted one of the least miserable SOB's on this big beautiful planet!
Why did you buy a dung-a-lo on Dog Doo Lane if you hate dogs?? When we had a walk through everything was clean and I think as soon as we signed the papers to go into escrow they let it all go to sh*t. I love puns.
The conclusion is just dumb assed reasoning from you. You and that dumb assed science you quote haven't actually shown what dogs actually feel/think.
Try this: Take a trip to Mexico, pull off at some scenic site and then take a short hike in the that small locale. The human shite that is everywhere is more disgusting that some dog ....
Don't shoot the messenger and feel free to do your own research, I'm always open to my mind being changed. My degrees are in field and wildlife biology and ecology and I mostly studied reptiles and aquatic ecosystems so I'm no expert on the mammal brain, that was just my lazy attempt at summarizing everything I've read into a few sentences.
I've been to Mexico 23 times and I am very aware of the fact that there are more annoying dogs down there than here in CA. I also spend about half of my trips digging banos and doing what I can to get the turds off the street!
BTW: The whole world is poopy! Indeed. Thanks to dog people! http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/233104.php
The air of two Midwestern US cities contains significant amounts of bacteria from feces, particularly dog poop, according to a new study led by the University of Colorado Boulder, published recently in the journal Applied and Environmental Microbiology.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 26, 2015 - 11:31am PT
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but you just insulted one of the least miserable SOB's...
Wow, I'd never say that about myself, quite the opposite. It sounds like you are full of yourself. I could be wrong.
Reality check time. Why did you start this thread in the first place?
Sounds miserable to me, no offense but if you are a scientist as you claim, you are either a troll or venting some pent up emotions. Just my two cents.
I love my dog and I can only hope she never meets you. A wildlife expert? Eh?
I have been around the block a number of times, but a wildife expert that does not understand canines? That takes the cake.
I studied zoology, animal psychology and a tad bit human psychology. I studied black bears in the field, waking up in my sleeping bag with one looking over me. But I do not consider myself an expert.
IMO, You are a troll or a bitter person who found that dog sh*t was on the path to "happiness".
I have tried to avoid any personal ad hominem remarks on this forum for years, but I would wager my dog is better than you are. Did you get your kicks out of annoying me?
EDIT
Interesting article though from Medical News Today that you linked to. But how conclusive that dog feces are fouling the air? (Edit, seems to me that VW diesels are doing a better "job" at fouling the air, yeah my shares tanked too.)
I was a journalist on Medicine Weekly (Ireland) for a year. I could write or dig up stories if I wanted to that would "prove" my point of view, I never did though. Never.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 26, 2015 - 12:25pm PT
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You struck a nerve with me lady. I try not to let things on the Taco Stand, or any forum, get to me. But my puppy and the new kitten, they are better "life beings" than I could ever imagine you being.
Perhaps I am wrong and you are a nice person. I think you are a troll though who is annoyed that there was dog feces - the ones that are ruining two midwestern cities - in your new abode.
Boo hoo, call the whaaaambulance.
EDIT
So dog poo was in your new home, from what it sounds like. Better than rat sh*t. Get a cat, no wait, a wildlife expert like you would not have a cat, a ferret perhaps? Shades of the Big Lebowski.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 26, 2015 - 12:52pm PT
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Timid, I am laughing. I need that relief as sh*t hits the fan. Thanks, seriously.
On the Edge, wolf threads, they passed with the wooden stake, or is that steak? Wait, I got my stories mixed up. Wooden stake, vampire? Werewollf, in London?
What about the polar bears encroaching on human territory. The cheek of them.
I hope I have not offended anybody too much, even the dog haters. Life is too short.
And there is a kitten chewing at my hands. She is so cute.
EDIT
So toxoplasmosis, dog feces fouling the air. I reckon the time is for the… all cats and dogs must die, or else the survival of the human race is in the… um, uhh, what do you call that?
Brink?
Hey, considering how many are out there, feral cats alone, it could be the solution to human starvation. Recipes are welcomed.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 26, 2015 - 01:35pm PT
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So a wildlife expert, who confesses to not knowing mammals, says she hates dogs.
My degrees are in field and wildlife biology and ecology and I mostly studied reptiles and aquatic ecosystems so I'm no expert on the mammal brain,
I can live with that, though ignorance is not a great excuse.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 26, 2015 - 01:39pm PT
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"Thanks to dog people!"
Damn people. That's the problem, right there!
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2015 - 02:00pm PT
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Wow, I'd never say that about myself, quite the opposite. It sounds like you are full of yourself. I could be wrong.
Reality check time. Why did you start this thread in the first place?
Sounds miserable to me, no offense but if you are a scientist as you claim, you are either a troll or venting some pent up emotions. Just my two cents. You have to be full or yourself to be satisfied with life? And you are correct, I was simultaneously venting and trolling, two cents well spent.
So a wildlife expert, who confesses to not knowing mammals, says she hates dogs.
I can live with that, though ignorance is not a great excuse. I didn't say I knew nothing, only that I'm not an expert. In other words, I've read the research on animal brains and behavior but haven't done any myself. Maybe I'm wrong, I have no problem with that so long as there is proof and not more "my dog won't eat when I'm gone" stories.
And sorry if this thread made you angry, that wasn't the point, just venting. And PS, I've lived here a month and the side yard still smells like turds to the point where we can't leave windows open and my dog loving friends don't even notice!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 26, 2015 - 02:33pm PT
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Apologies to all Taco Standers if I have been abrasive on this thread.
Jennie has been gone almost one year and my puppy Aggie, and the kitten, Betty, are all I have. I have to travel up to Dublin tomorrow to see my attorney.
It is pissing down and Aggie wants out, I took her to the beach earlier, and we both got soaked.
The kitten is running around the house, better than in a cage at the SPCA. She loves her freedom. Can't let her out until she gets her second vaccination.
I am just a bit on edge, I have to pull my head out of my ass.
Dog haters, dogs are not that bad. It is the owners, or more PC, "guardians", that usually dictates a dog's behavior.
I have an early train to catch in the morning.
I love the Taco Stand and the interaction of people. It is one of the things - you people - that has kept me going.
Thank you.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 26, 2015 - 02:52pm PT
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There's a person in my community whose pup died from a snakebite. This person regularly took their dogs for walks unleashed in our local woods...where rattlesnakes are pretty common. No doubt they left their turds out there, too.
Is the problem the snake? Or the dog?
I'm thinking HUMAN. Yep, that's it.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 26, 2015 - 03:14pm PT
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I can still lead 5.9 (shaky) and I will climb Ama Dablam some day. Alpamayo, I am not too sure.
The Nose awaits, the Salathé Wall, I made it up half way, I'll finish it.
The little kitten is climbing all over me, talk about dogs, what about cats.
And I miss Jennie. I know I have written that a number of times on other threads, but it still stands true.
EDIT
Kevin, do you like cats? I have a kitten here, Betty, that is… an angel and a devil. I think she would like California.
Sorry about the dog doo, but I can assure you, what you stepped in was not from Aggie.
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Karen
Trad climber
Casper, Wyoming
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Oct 26, 2015 - 03:32pm PT
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Warbler you are right on! I totally agree with you!!!!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 26, 2015 - 03:32pm PT
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There is SO MUCH dogshit in my local park & woods where I walk my pup. It's fecking disgusting, and undoubtedly has significantly increased the fecal count in one of the primary creeks that runs through our area.
I've found shitbags sitting 15' from a goddam dumpster. I just want to shove those bags & turds right up the arse of every dog owner who lets their pup crap in these areas.
What the f*#k are these people thinking, anyway?
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Oct 26, 2015 - 03:55pm PT
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Warbler,
Say it ain't so..........
You wear Keens???
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Phantom X
Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
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Oct 26, 2015 - 06:48pm PT
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The only thing better than a fine dog is a fine dog who eats cats!
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 26, 2015 - 06:53pm PT
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You come home late from a 15 hour day at work.
Your wife gives you the silent "fuk you I'm going to bed eat your own cold dinner" treatment.
Your cat looks up from licking it's butt and belches.
Your dog jumps up from a dead sleep and wiggles its little butt and runs to welcome you home with gladness and joy.
No contest.
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Phantom X
Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
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Oct 26, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
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True, and the Mouse from Merced can skin a lion.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 26, 2015 - 07:10pm PT
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I'm betting any equal weight match between any dog and any cat, wild or domestic, would result in cat victory, and dog dismemberment.
Bring it Feline Femboy - my Aussie Blue Heeler mix will rat shake the purr out of any kitty you got!
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 26, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
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How much does that little flea bag weigh tuff guy?
Which one - the 42 pounder that nailed a Racoon last month or the 75 pounder who bum rushed a bear last Spring?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Oct 26, 2015 - 08:12pm PT
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there's a reason cats and hominids climb so well. because at some point a rational being will just cut and run for sanctuary.
dogs just mad cow that sh!t.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 26, 2015 - 08:19pm PT
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dogs just mad cow that sh!t.
Kinda like The Chief and his NRA buds huh?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Oct 26, 2015 - 08:22pm PT
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stand and FIIIIIIIIGHGGHT! even if you lose.
good friends to have sometimes. bad enemies to make, generally.
but if you show your hands, pay verbal homage to their ownership, speak calmly and ignore the knee-jerk growliness, things are all waggy-waggy.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Oct 26, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
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Careful, Ricky D.
I have a 15 pound Bengal hybrid cat that terrorizes my neighbor's 70 pound Chow/Shepherd mix. That chow drags its owner across the street when it goes for a walk rather than walk in front of my house. I walk the dog, but it won't go near my house. The Bengal has faced off a mature urban Coyote that makes a living poaching pets. It decided to look for a more sedate fluffy kitty or raccoon.
( cue picture of a note posted on a telephone pole for information on a
missing ''Bootsey'.)
My vet also says treating the cat is like dealing with a zoo animal, though it's very sweet to us.
They have to go after it with welding gloves and a face shield to get to the point they can put it out just to give it shots. We limit visits to the vet.
I also had a 10 pound domestic shorthair that owned a neighbor's yard so that his Doberman would retreat to the far corner of the yard.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Oct 26, 2015 - 08:58pm PT
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how f*#ked are people that de-claw the kitteh?
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Phantom X
Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
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Oct 26, 2015 - 10:13pm PT
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^^^ It's not nearly as horrible as watching Siegfried and Roy.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Oct 27, 2015 - 02:30am PT
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dogs are cool, cats suck,
you know if you die alone in your house with a cat that the cat will eat the face off your rotting corpse??
dogs don't do that, they lay by your side waiting for help,
don't get me started on crows, the only birds that will peck the eyes out of a dead man and suck the brains out,
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Oct 27, 2015 - 09:54am PT
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I'm not a real fan of dogs these days.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Oct 27, 2015 - 10:17am PT
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Warbler, we're in conversation with the dog owners, outcome is still uncertain. We caught one of their dogs in the field, the other came home covered in blood. They're trying to claim other dogs may have been involved as a way to evade full fiscal responsibility, but there is no evidence to support that idea, and their dogs have tried to get a neighbor's mule before and have been identified as killing another dog about a mile away.
The dogs have not been put down, which is becoming a major issue in the rural valley we live in, lots of neighbors up in arms. I'm pretty sure those dogs won't survive leaving the property if anyone sees them.
Total tab is about $7500 damage, but having the knees kicked out of a breeding program in development for over a decade is not really quantifiable. We have 3 ewes left, I think we may just give up rather than rebuild.
Dogs can be fine, just keep 'em on your property please.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 27, 2015 - 01:53pm PT
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My sympathies, Off-white. I know that in a lot of rural areas dogs are shot if they even come on someones farm, no questions asked. It looks like you have some legal wrangling to face. I am curious to see what your local laws have to say. I bet you can at least get something from the dog owner.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 27, 2015 - 02:28pm PT
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You need to sue for pain and suffering - yours, not the sheep's. Of course,
collecting will be unlikely if they're crackers.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 27, 2015 - 04:37pm PT
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Careful, Ricky D.
I have a 15 pound Bengal hybrid cat that terrorizes my neighbor's 70 pound Chow/Shepherd mix
Okay L - I'll take a Mulligan on your genetic freak of a cat! I would hope my mutts aren't that crazy to try to take on Tiny Tiger.
Reminds me of this Italian family in the neighborhood when I was a kid - they had an honest-to-goodness Ocelot! Cat was cool as all get out but scared everything from dogs to little old ladies.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2015 - 05:51pm PT
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I had a bengal for a while and my wife and I gave it away because it was soooooooo loud and kept waking up our kids. A friend's bengal is the same way.
Is your like that Lorenzo?
Edit: that's aweful Off White. Hope it all works out in your favor as much as possible.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 27, 2015 - 06:55pm PT
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My bengal kept me awake as well. i gave the cabin up and slept in the van most of the summers. It was ww111 in there with him killing squirls and sh#t all night long....
I really don't like tough dogs. they completly suck. It's like owning a gun and leaveing it laying out in the street loaded.......
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 27, 2015 - 06:58pm PT
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That's truly awful, Off White. Much as I love dogs, there are some who just have to be put down. (Right after their owners.)
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Oct 27, 2015 - 08:17pm PT
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Wow, so sorry Off White. Seeing your picture was horrendous. I could rail against the irresponsibility but it wouldn't help you or all your hard work.
I don't hate dogs, never have. My family has had dogs nearly our entire lifetime.
I do have a Huge problem with people that own dogs and don't take care of them. We had a Vet here in Valley Center taking a walk with her 2 toddlers when a pack of dogs attacked. She protected her two young sons but nearly died, suffering severe facial trauma. Every time I go for a hike I take along spray, and a big stick. It can be scary.
Finally, employees should not be allowed to take their dogs into the employees shower with them. I'ts a pain in the Derriere to clean out the dog hair every time a person wants to shower.
Oh, yeah, then there's the poop issue. If I pooped on your lawn, or on your personal turf, dog owners, what would you think? Clean it up and don't pretend it's not your dog's. Jess sayin' from personal experience. lynnie
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 27, 2015 - 08:22pm PT
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Oh, yeah, then there's the poop issue. If I pooped on your lawn, or on your personal turf, dog owners, what would you think?
I would think I was still living in Santa Monica and you were a Bag Lady taking a dump in between rifling the neighborhood trash cans for recyclable beer bottles.
:)
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oct 27, 2015 - 08:37pm PT
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Off White: Our condolences on the loss of your stock & the wreck of your long-term breeding program.
Loose dogs suck, & a rural pack of loose dogs is dangerous to anything alive.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Oct 27, 2015 - 08:59pm PT
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However, tonight, I heard a car skid on a street behind our house and a dog yelp and start whimpering, then silence. I immediately felt better. All is well.
That's f*#ked up.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Oct 27, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
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Jefe I think Jody meant that someone helped the injured dog finish cutting rope on his lawn
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Oct 27, 2015 - 09:16pm PT
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you ever play in a sandbox as a kid Warbler?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Oct 27, 2015 - 09:25pm PT
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I suppose the raw sewage --> ocean thing is not really relevant here, huh?
;-)
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Oct 27, 2015 - 09:41pm PT
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Stinks in here.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 27, 2015 - 09:43pm PT
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I'm likin' this Warbler dood. Didn't John Wayne do a movie about him called "Unrepentant?"
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Oct 28, 2015 - 02:16am PT
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is that David Lee?
yeah no, cab driver ric (DC Cab, no vomit fee) went down hard on his bike going 60mph after he hit and killed a loose dog, road rash but not dead, right near Lake Offutt, near Tenino, never ride near lake offutt because you could come offutt, get it?
this is the wedge bolt thread, right? cuz im all about wedgies,
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 28, 2015 - 05:30am PT
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We have always had dogs growing up, and cats, they always got along. Even the goats.
Some cats can be afraid of rabbits, that said I was not happy earlier in the year when (the late) Boots hopped up on my office winow sill with a dead baby rabbit in his mouth.
When I moved to Enniskerry (Co Wicklow, sheep country) back in 1997, people warned me not to let (the late) Ci out during lambing season or he would be shot. Of course he was born in north Wales, sheep country, border collie-lab and he would never attack another animal.
Of course, that is what people say about their dogs. "Fido would never do that."
They are pack animals and put them in a pack and they can get bloodlust.
In California, when we had a rabbit missing, raccoons, they can rip down that 14 gauge wire mesh on the rabbit hutch with ease.
If eggs were broken or missing, skunks. Though I think we had one hen whose toe was bitten off by a skunk, not sure.
When we went up to one of the coops after commotions, and every chicken dead (but not eaten), domestic dogs. A whole coop slaughtered (several times) for nothing but bloodlust.
Our dogs used to guard the chicken coop against other dogs.
I agree with other posters, most of the time it is the dog owner to blame for an unruly dog.
And I have always picked up afer my dogs, always, with the exception of Aggie ONLY doing it in the surf when we are at the beach, the tide washes it away before I can get to it, though I have picked it up out of the tide a couple of time. I have to say, she is picky about only going in the surf at the beach, I've never seen that before.
Most of the other dog walkers I walk with and meet do pick up after pooch, the few that don't, I should say something but I don't anymore. I do not need the trouble.
Let's face it though, what smell worse, cat poo or dog poo?
Another pet peeve of mine is, Ballytrent beach is very popular with horse riders, and they never pick up horse manure, sort of like walking along the trail by the Royal Arches, Ahwahnee and the stables.
And BTW, I love horses, wish I had a couple. Would I pick up after them? I'd make sure they went in the surf. ;-)
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Oct 28, 2015 - 10:28am PT
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Ricky D, you still have your wonderful sense of humor.....cheers!
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Oct 28, 2015 - 12:00pm PT
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Thanks all, I appreciate the support.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 28, 2015 - 01:32pm PT
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Off White, have you decided, or is it early days, to continue with your breeding program or pack it just because some nutters dogs were let loose to terrorize?
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 31, 2015 - 10:00am PT
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Never take a puppy fishing. They chase your lure and might get hooked. Leave them on the porch.
You want revenge?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 31, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
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horse and cow sh#t is pretty tame stuff. we used to have fights with it when we were kids growing up on the farm. Cat, and dog sh#t is hidious followed by pig and chicken sh#t.
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couchmaster
climber
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Oct 31, 2015 - 07:11pm PT
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Bunch of haters. Dogs rules!!! (cue photo of whisper the wonder dog)
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Oct 31, 2015 - 07:25pm PT
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tradman there is no sh#t on the planet worse than human sh#t.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Oct 31, 2015 - 07:40pm PT
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tell me it wasn't a treble wayno!
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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No brave one, it was only a close call. I use single barb-less btw.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Being a farm kid i have shoveled more sh#t than most of you. lived in a cabin for 21 years that had a privy in the back of the woodshed. About every 3 years the privy needed cleaning so i have experience shoveling human sh#t as well. Dog sh#t still rules as the most disgusting sh#t I have shoveled.....
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2015 - 05:51pm PT
I had a bengal for a while and my wife and I gave it away because it was soooooooo loud and kept waking up our kids. A friend's bengal is the same way.
Is your like that Lorenzo?
No. Mine sleeps with me. She waits until I get settled and then gets under the covers between us until it's time to get up. She has an internal clock and always gets up within a few minutes of the same time every day. ( the time change has thrown her off.) if I try to sleep in, though, she head butts me and as a last resort will stick one claw in my nose to wake me up. Always works. What she really wants is breakfast.
She's loud around meal times. She's on a diet to try and keep her to 15 lbs, so she's always hungry. Right now she's lobbying for the 10:30 feeding. bengals often have bladder stone issues, so it's best to keep them slimmer.
And she's loud when she wants to play. Bengals are way more active than an ordinary cat, so they need more stimulation. A half hour-45 minutes play a day is minimum. Besides that, Cat puzzles( she figures those out pretty quick) excercize wheels, tunnels, cat trees, high shelves, fetch, and chase games are daily routines. She loves taking a shower with me. ( Bengals generally love water).
Once a week, we do a treasure hunt. I lock her in a bathroom and hide treats around the house for her to find. She has a ball hunting the food out very purposefully. She seems to know when she got them all.
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