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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
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Elements in the media, Obama ,and an entire slew of Democrats are (once again) shamelessly exploiting this really minor incident, based upon an unfortunate misunderstanding, to further drive a wedge between people in this country.
Obama , for one, rarely ever passes up a good opportunity to divide the American people in order to further exacerbate ethnic, racial, and political tensions.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Sep 16, 2015 - 12:36pm PT
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You have GOT to be friggen kidding me..... He's just a normal nerd kid. Science teacher my ass.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 12:38pm PT
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Too funny, Ward, and enlightening.
Until I read your post, I was wondering how the reflexively anti-Obama crowd would blame him for this.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Sep 16, 2015 - 12:38pm PT
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"Cool clock, Ahmed," Obama tweeted. "Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It's what makes America great."
Damn, that Obama is so divisive.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 16, 2015 - 02:06pm PT
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This is a really bad mistake by those in charge. Teachers and cops. Didn't the teachers, pricipal know that this was just a nerdy engineering student?
Sure, having a traditional Islamic name and carrying backpack with ticking clock in it SHOULD be a bit suspicious. But the cops cuffing him and escorting him away is too f-ing much, this could have been resolved rather quickly.
There is an increasing trend lately after the rise of ISIS, which the FBI and local cops are wary of. This case though was just too easy to diagnose as innocent.
This one, not so much; http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/15/isis-inspired-danish-teenager-stabs-mother-death/
Is it no wonder that police are a bit leary? But, as I said, this one should have been handled better.
I don't think there is a need to start a #IstandWithAhmed meme. The kid even understands this apparently
Funny how Obama grabs onto this one too, but never says sh#t when we catch ISIS collaborators after admitting so many "regugees" that are laregly unchecked into this country. And now we're going to admit more from the belly of the ISIS beast. And if you watch pics/video clips of the "refugees", they're laregly military-aged men, not all "women and children".
ISIS even brags that their goal is to get fighters into the West, hidden amongst the "refugees", to carry out attacks.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Sep 16, 2015 - 02:17pm PT
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Ward, get help. Take blue with you. Get a group rate. Your Obama Derangement Syndrome is acute.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 16, 2015 - 02:24pm PT
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Crankster, what did I say that was so deranged?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 02:30pm PT
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Isn't it true that the cop had already determined that there was in fact no bomb and still the kid was handcuffed, perp-walked out of the school and fingerprinted.
I did a lot worse than what this kid did, so did most of my pals, and I would bet a lot of readers here and none of us got this bullsheeit treatment.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 16, 2015 - 02:36pm PT
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Isn't it true that the cop had already determined that there was in fact no bomb and still the kid was handcuffed, perp-walked out of the school and fingerprinted.
Agree that this one was totally mishandled by LEO.
I did a lot worse than what this kid, so did most of my pals, and I would bet a lot of readers here and none of us got this bullsheeit treatment.
Different world with different threats now, unfortunately. And yeah, I was a bit of a hellion too. Ask me sometime how my older brother was arrested in Germany as an American terrorist in the late 70's when he was on a class trip. He even made the papers there.
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MikeMc
Social climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 03:26pm PT
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Burch, for most of Texas, yes this would actually be a surprise. For Irving Texas however, this is not a surprise at all.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but most Texans don't actually fit many peoples gross stereotypes, just as most Californians don't fit many peoples gross stereotypes either.
C'mon Braj'
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 16, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but most Texans don't actually fit many peoples gross stereotypes, just as most Californians don't fit many peoples gross stereotypes either.
C'mon Braj'
Yeah, after all I'm a "right-wing" whacko in California. It's not all leftist commies.
Good analogy though, with stereotypes given to right-wing Texas and left-wing California. Let's take things based on evidence and facts. In this case the cops went a bit too far, but that doesn't speak for all of Texas.
That would be like calling all Muzzies terrorists, it just ain't so.
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Tan Slacks
climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 16, 2015 - 03:49pm PT
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What do you expect when so many Americans (making less than 40K without college educations) still believe Obama is a Muslim
We're doomed to a future of ignorance.
Check the recent polls of the likely Republican primary voters choosing Trump. The MAJORITY of them still believe Obama is a Muslim not born American.
How can a 14 year old with a proud name (see translation) win?
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Sep 16, 2015 - 04:04pm PT
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I heard Obama told the family dog he was a good dog, and then he scolded the cat for peeing on the carpet, thus driving a wedge between all cats and dogs. Those furrin' born muslims are just a bunch of trouble makers.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 16, 2015 - 04:09pm PT
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There's a story about this kind of stupidity in the school systems at least once a week.
Last week it was about a 13YO taken off in cuffs for kissing a girl on a dare.
Even more stupidity with POTUS throwing his two cents worth in.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Sep 16, 2015 - 04:54pm PT
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What do you expect when so many Americans (making less than 40K without college educations) still believe Obama is a Muslim
We're doomed to a future of ignorance.
This is a weird, somewhat arrogant statement. Most people (I'm generalizing as you just did) making under 40K w/o 'college degrees' are the people who, in vast numbers, actually voted for The One TWO times.
So now they're useful idiots to you? To make a really weird point?
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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Sep 16, 2015 - 05:05pm PT
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 16, 2015 - 02:06pm PT
Is it no wonder that police are a bit Leary?
But I thought that...oh, wait:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Sep 16, 2015 - 05:27pm PT
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Hey Werner,
Other than all the obvious points in your post, it brings up a question:
Where did you grow up and where did you go to high school?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 05:36pm PT
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San Mateo Ca .... Aragon High School.
President Obama has tweeted from his official personal account, inviting Ahmed Mohamed to the White House to show him the clock invention that was mistaken for a bomb.
"Cool clock, Ahmed," the president tweeted today. "Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It's what makes America great."
They shouldn't have another election for Potus.
They should just plain keep Obama he's got years of experience now.
He's got a clue over those high school loons that had Ahmed Mohamed arrested .....
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 06:02pm PT
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One of Herr Braun's later models. Der RundfunkUhrSpeiler.
I'm not supposed to tell, but there is a cuckoo clock coming. Hence his study of Amerikan cuckoos.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Sep 16, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
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Braun was a test tube baby...? Never would have guessed...?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 06:10pm PT
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sycorax
Yeah I did run cross country all 4 years in high school.
I hated cross country.
I was a sprinter, high hurdles and High jump.
I ran against Lynn Swan in the hurdles who went on to be all pro wide-out for the Steelers and is in Hall of Fame now.
Coach made me do cross country to stay in shape for track and field season.
I wish I had weighed more and I would have done football instead.
Wide-out wide receiver .....
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 16, 2015 - 10:50pm PT
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Get that kid out of that stupid school. It's obvious he's the only one there with any brains.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 17, 2015 - 07:35am PT
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Thank god Texas schools are now safe from home-made clocks.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Sep 17, 2015 - 11:41am PT
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Adventurer
Mountain climber
Virginia
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Sep 17, 2015 - 12:26pm PT
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In 1942 our national paranoia over everyone and everything Japanese led to the forced internment of thousands of Japanese people residing in the US. Some of them had been here for decades.
Who knows what our present day paranoia over Muslims will lead to if we don't put a stop to all this knee jerk over reaction soon.
It's only a free country if your race, national origin, religion, or ethnic group is not on the latest national sh.. list.
Disgusting!
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 17, 2015 - 12:55pm PT
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True, but I'd still do her.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 17, 2015 - 01:07pm PT
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When I was in 8th grade, I won the Illinois state science fair. And the principal made me get a haircut!
In high school in Moraga Ca, I got busted for setting off a navy rescue flare/smoke bomb. Calls into yet another principals office, I had to clean the locker and replace my friend's books and those in several adjacent lockers.
Today they would execute me for either of those stunts!
Reactionary much Ward? They can treat that.
Though Werner is right about Obama he should probably be imprisoned anyway, so we can all feel safer...
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peladob
Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
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Sep 17, 2015 - 02:25pm PT
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I'd be suing the f*#k out of that school, police department, and city.
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Redwood City
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Sep 17, 2015 - 02:51pm PT
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I'd be pleasantly surprised if he didn't sue . Having someone else give you money when you are wronged doesn't have to be the go to way to be made whole.
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Gene
climber
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Sep 17, 2015 - 03:09pm PT
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He'd be better advised not to sue, but instead ride the wave of goodwill he's receiving as far as he can.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Sep 17, 2015 - 08:34pm PT
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He'd be better advised not to sue, but instead ride the wave of goodwill he's receiving as far as he can.
Excellent comment, great insight.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 18, 2015 - 09:48am PT
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Seems pretty ridiculous to most of us, but perhaps there's at least a little bit of another side of the story.
In an interview late Wednesday with MSNBC's Chris Hayes, Ahmed said he was pulled out of class at MacArthur High School by his principal and five police officers and taken to a room where he was questioned for about an hour and a half.
He said he asked the adults if he could call his parents.
"They told me 'No, you can't call your parents,'" Ahmed said. "'You're in the middle of an interrogation at the moment.' They asked me a couple of times, 'Is it a bomb?' and I answered a couple of times, 'It's a clock.'" It sounds to me like his answer was evasive (perhaps unintentionally so, but how would the officers know that?). Something could be both a bomb and a clock, and clocks are parts of some bombs (the good ol' time bomb!).
He could have just said "no, it's not a bomb," but according to his own statements, he didn't do that.
I'm not suggesting that the kid did anything wrong, and the school administrators and police were probably acting like total dipshits, but Ahmed perhaps could have shut the whole thing down by simply saying it wasn't a bomb, and for whatever reason, he didn't do that.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Sep 18, 2015 - 09:55am PT
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Im a teacher, I don't care what the kids name was, this would have freaked me out.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 18, 2015 - 09:56am PT
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It sounds to me like his answer was evasive (perhaps unintentionally so, but how would the officers know that?). Something could be both a bomb and a clock, and clocks are parts of some bombs (the good ol' time bomb!).
He could have just said "no, it's not a bomb," but according to his own statements, he didn't do that.
I'm not suggesting that the kid did anything wrong, and the school administrators and police were probably acting like total dipshits, but Ahmed perhaps could have shut the whole thing down by simply saying it wasn't a bomb, and for whatever reason, he didn't do that.
Then you are just as stupid as the cops.
You are saying that you would depend upon the word of a suspected terrorist, as to whether a bomb was a bomb?????
You wouldn't have the bomb squad make a determination?
(assuming, as a professional police officer, you don't have the training to know that for a bomb to be a bomb, it needs to have explosives)
Why was the bomb squad not deployed? Was it because they knew it wasn't a bomb???????
Of course, you'd also support the torture of this AMERICAN child, because this is EXACTLY the ticking bomb scenario that is always used to justify torture.
Was this illegal interrogation recorded? What did he actually say? You are trying to take his words spoken to the press as some sort of evidence against him. Pathetic and cowardly.
But what do you expect from someone who would torture a child???
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 09:57am PT
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I disagree, blah. Nothing he said would've made them second guess their prejudices and stop the dipshits from taking him in.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:03am PT
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Torture a child? Well that escalated quickly.
I'm just saying don't be too quick to judge the people working at the school, they're constantly on edge being in charge of the safety of so many children. The law enforcement who is trained for such things can be critiqued a little more, though they are under the same pressure.
EDIT: oh, I see, you weren't talking to me. My bad.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:05am PT
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Im a teacher, I don't care what the kids name was, this would have freaked me out.
I'll bet. A briefcase just like the one that you carry every day.
Very suspicious. You should be thrown up against the wall, handcuffed, taken to jail.
Of course, no charges filed, although "Bomb threat" might be reasonable....you had things in your briefcase that COULD have been used to build a bomb! And suspension for a week would be in order, as well.
Now, we're talking JUSTICE!
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:08am PT
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Then you are just as stupid as the cops.
You are saying that you would depend upon the word of a suspected terrorist, as to whether a bomb was a bomb?????
It's a little more complicated than that.
According to the police chief, they pretty quickly realized that it wasn't a real bomb, but then the focus turned to whether it was a "hoax bomb."
That's why I pointed out that Ahmed apparently never denied that it was a bomb with what, to my ear at least, sounds like a Clinton-esque answer (or refusal to answer).
Let me put it another way in case you're not getting the gist of this:
The question: "is that a bomb?" has a yes or no answer.
Replying that "it's a clock" is what lawyers call "non-responsive." It's not a legitimate answer.
I don't think Ahmed was doing this, but it's easy to imagine a teenager having some fun by building something that sort of looked like a bomb and making vague statements and then refusing to deny that it was a bomb with evasive non-answers.
Look I'm not entirely defending the officials here, just pointing out that their actions were perhaps not quite as crazy as they're being portrayed.
Also, keep in mind that this is a situation where a "false positive" leads to the inconvenience and embarrassment for the kid (unfortunate, but life goes on), whereas a "false negative" means BOOOM! (As to the hoax part of it, there's no boom, but you can't let me people go around making bomb threats, even implicit ones.)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:08am PT
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I'm just saying don't be too quick to judge the people working at the school, they're constantly on edge being in charge of the safety of so many children.
Why the punishment of the suspension, if he did nothing wrong??
If you did nothing wrong, would you accept a suspension as appropriate?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:14am PT
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That's why I pointed out that Ahmed's apparently never denied that it was a bomb with what, to my ear at least, sounds like a Clinton-esque answer (or refusal to answer).
Let me put it another way in case you're not getting the gist of this:
The question: "is that a bomb?" has a yes or no answer.
Replying that "it's a clock" is what lawyers call "non-responsive." It's not a legitimate answer.
You weren't there. You don't know how he specifically and gramatically responded.
But in your "Clockwork Orange" world, why would you ask a person if something was something that you KNEW FOR A FACT it was not? Again and again?
Let's put you in handcuffs, surround you with hostile cops 4 times your size/weight, REFUSE to allow you your constitutionally required lawyer/parents(in his case), then repeatedly ask you "How long have you been raping kids???" You answer I haven't raped ANY kids.
AHA! AHA! YOU REFUSED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION! You evasive piece of sh*t!
The question: "is that a bomb?" has a yes or no answer.
Replying that "it's a clock" is what lawyers call "non-responsive." It's not a legitimate answer.
When EVERYONE IN THE ROOM knows that it is NOT a bomb, then the question becomes illegitimate. Are you going to ask him if he is armed? If he answers "You guys searched me three times"---is that an evasive answer?
Are you going to go to the judge and say that he was uncooperative?
OR was this misconduct?
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:15am PT
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A briefcase like the one that you carry every day. Very suspicious. You should be thrown up against the wall, handcuffed, taken to jail.
Lol, look at that picture, that doesn't look much like the briefcase or contents I carry. I'm not saying the school or LEOs did everything, or anything, correct, just imagine you're a regular teacher and a kid shows up with that.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:22am PT
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Lol, look at that picture, that doesn't look much like the briefcase or contents I carry.
It does when it is closed. Who knows what is inside? Who inspects? Perhaps you guys should be inspected more often, and a strip search might be good, as well.
I'm not saying the school or LEOs did everything, or anything, correct, just imagine you're a regular teacher and a kid shows up with that.
Presumably, you know the kids that you teach. Are you talking nerd? Are you talking troubled youth? Do teachers of children simply treat them as interchangeable widgets?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:24am PT
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Ken, I don't disagree with you as much as you seem to think, and you're right about pointing out that I don't know the specific wording used.
But that applies both ways--I'm mostly pointing out that it's *possible* that the officials' conduct wasn't as outrageous as has been portrayed.
You had a good question about why Ahmed was punished. I doubt we'll get to the bottom of that, but all I can figure is that (1) that was absolutely unjust, or (2) whoever gave the punishment concluded that Ahmed was in fact playing some kind of a "maybe I do have a bomb" game.
We just don't have enough facts to work with here.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:28am PT
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That's why I pointed out that Ahmed apparently never denied that it was a bomb with what, to my ear at least, sounds like a Clinton-esque answer (or refusal to answer).
What makes you think he never denied that it was a bomb? Are you relying on his two or three sentence summary of an hour and a half interview?
I have a hard time believing that in that amount of time he never clearly said that what he'd made was not a bomb.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:29am PT
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Milk the goodwill for the month or two it lasts, before the next short-attention span American story comes along, then SUE THE SH#T out of these hillbilly as#@&%es.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:33am PT
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I guess that I react to the concept that adults are not held to acting like it. With their knowledge and experience.
I do not think that he was playing the "maybe I do have a bomb", because he would have been charged with a "bomb hoax", and they would be singing that from the rooftops.
They are suspiciously silent on that front.
I am not into abuse of children, for any reason, and that seems to be the case, here. If they thought a bomb was a real issue, then interrogation would be reasonable. But if they did not, then the parents should have been called.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:36am PT
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Im a teacher, I don't care what the kids name was, this would have freaked me out.
Well, if you were his teacher and you responded the way his teacher did then I'd say you couldn't be bothered to learn anything at all about the kid or get to know him otherwise you'd have some inkling of what he was doing and what kind of kid he was - i.e. you'd be a lousy teacher.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:42am PT
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Milk the goodwill for the month or two it lasts, before the next short-attention span American story comes along, then SUE THE SH#T out of these hillbilly as#@&%es.
Hard to see what his damages have been--he's going to White House (or at least has been invited), Facebook, Google, MIT, etc.!
Could be a great start to a good career for the kid, and certainly an interesting life experience.
But just so no one gets me wrong--I admit that we don't have all the facts, it's entirely possible (maybe even likely) that the school and cops were very much in the wrong and there should be additional training to make sure their behavior is corrected.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Sep 18, 2015 - 10:53am PT
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Not my words...
This is from~ The daily kos.
"Great Post Sent to Me Today"
"I said: it's sad they thought that kid had a bomb.
She said: they didn't think he had a bomb.
I said: yes, they thought he made a bomb and even called the police.
She said: They just wanted to humiliate a little Muslim boy. They didn't think he had a bomb.
I said: Don't be a conspiracy theorist. They might be a little prejudiced, but I'm sure they thought he had a bomb.
She said: OK.
But they didn't evacuate the school, like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't call a bomb squad - like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't get as far away from him as possible, like you do when there's a bomb.
Then they put him and the clock in an office: not like you do when there's a bomb
Then they waited with him for the police to arrive, and then they put the clock in the same car as the police.
Then they took pictures of it.
I said: Damn.....They never thought he had a bomb.
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
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Sep 18, 2015 - 11:11am PT
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If school officials were concerned that it was a bomb, then why wasn't the bomb squad called??
Hmmmmmm......
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 11:15am PT
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Hard to see what his damages have been
Maybe you're not damaged by having your fingerprints in the criminals database, but I would be.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Sep 18, 2015 - 11:25am PT
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Presumably, you know the kids that you teach. Are you talking nerd? Are you talking troubled youth? Do teachers of children simply treat them as interchangeable widgets?
Two years ago we had a student who was always creepy. One month after graduation he shot someone and is in jail for life. Last year I had a tiny girl in my class who was friendly and one of my favorite students, over Christmas break she stabbed a girl for talking to her girlfriend. You have to be careful basing opinions on what you "know" about students. If I see a briefcase that looks like the one in the picture I'd rather have a false alarm and send him to the office than just figure it's probably a regular metal briefcase with wires and a timer.
Kid made a mistake, school made a mistake, law enforcement made a mistake. Happens all the time, it's not the apocalypse and it's only on the news because of his name.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 11:41am PT
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I blame Obomba.
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Norton
Social climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 11:42am PT
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Kid made a mistake,
what mistake did the kid make?
was there a written warning handed out at the start of school to not make a clock and
bring it in to science class, if so then he made a mistake
not damaged
correct, a 14 year is handcuffed and arrested in front of his classmates and teacher
but there is no damage done........
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Sep 18, 2015 - 11:49am PT
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If I see a briefcase that looks like the one in the picture I'd rather have a false alarm and send him to the office than just figure it's probably a regular metal briefcase with wires and a timer.
I agree - you're right to be cautious.
Kid made a mistake, school made a mistake, law enforcement made a mistake. Happens all the time, it's not the apocalypse and it's only on the news because of his name.
All of this is true. I think it's also in the news however because the school and law enforcement carried their mistake too far - to the point of plain stupidity.
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
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Sep 18, 2015 - 12:09pm PT
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The kid chose not to go back to the school and is transferring to another.
Obviously there is some damage. Being accused of making a bomb and bringing it to school and then being handcuffed is traumatizing to a young boy.
Fortunately, people with class stepped up to let this boy know that he truly isn't a criminal.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 12:38pm PT
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I'll restate my original point by saying this entire thing is a red herring sideshow the Liberal establishment is using to score political points against opponents by exploiting a pitiful looking deer-in-the-headlights Muslim kid .
This is what the politically correct establishment does. This is what Obama is doing by inappropriately inserting himself into it all with his tweet/ social media campaign. It is deliberately exploitative and meant to further a political agenda, nothing more or less-- it is not about a poor little Ahmed. It's about rallying the troops to score against political opponents,despite being made to look like a spontaneous and sincere reaction.
And who can blame the community disorganizer ---this type of weaselcraft has worked for him so well in the past. It's the only thing he's really good at.
Problem is--and this is a problem for the entire Lib establishment -- this sort of divisive trickery and politically-correct mind control is not getting the serious traction it once did.
The era of Obama is coming to a close. So is baby boomer radical leftism which experienced its generational "power phase" crescendo over these last 7 years.
Many of the posters on this thread who think this little event is about the school district,or Texas, or lawsuits, poor little Ahmed, or whatever-- are missing the forest for the trees.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Sep 18, 2015 - 12:53pm PT
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Me too!
(sounds like he's changing schools, and has offers from MIT and
other schools---good for him)!
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Sep 18, 2015 - 12:57pm PT
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It's hard to imagine where angry haters like Ward come to believe the nonsense they do. They hate this president and they hate this country. Turning the country back over to them would be a tragedy.
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Norton
Social climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 12:59pm PT
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Ward gets this thing right, it IS Obama and his fellow communists' fault.
Good post, Ward
edit: Crankster, you are getting Ward's sarcasm
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 18, 2015 - 01:09pm PT
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For the rest of your life, when asked by police or employers, "have you ever been arrested", the answer will be "yes".
If he answers "no" to a federal officer, he will have committed a crime.
Will he be entered into a LE database, for scrutiny? Probably.
Will he be entered into a database requiring extra evaluation when he takes an airplane? Probably.
He will always be singled out for special examination. Always.
Does that matter? Not to some, I guess.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 01:11pm PT
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Like I said, I blame Obomba.
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10b4me
Social climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
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How can Obama be a Muslim? He doesn't even have a beard.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 18, 2015 - 01:18pm PT
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It's the only thing he's really good at.
Well, he seems pretty good at beating Republicans like a rented mule.
Pretty good at turning ostensibly sane old white men into blabbering incoherent ragemonkeys.
Pretty good jump shot.
Really good orator.
Really effective implementing a policy agenda.
Really good at making McConnel and Boehner look like the callow, ridiculous freaks they are.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 01:22pm PT
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You were the first one here to make political sideshow red herring comments about this incident.
The title of the frickin thread is a White House generated social media campaign, for crying out loud,LOL.
If it were not for this very obvious political motive this entire story would have never been anything more than a local matter, where it belonged.
For myself in pointing this out I am a "hater" (politically correct code for "racist").
Lol.
Folks( and lurkers) ,this is how Libtardism functions at this level.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 01:41pm PT
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Lol. Your rants are actually comical, Ward, bathing in self pity and anger
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Norton
Social climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 01:46pm PT
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If it were not for this very obvious political motive this entire story would have never been anything more than a local matter, where it belonged.
it not for the fact that traditional media picked up the story and ran with it well before
the President invited Ahmed to visit the White House
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Sep 18, 2015 - 01:46pm PT
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No this is not a local matter!
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Sep 18, 2015 - 03:54pm PT
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"We're confident that we can continue to provide him with an excellent education," a school spokesman said.
I'm sure they can, but surprise, surprise!, he's not interested in learning what our white-privileged thinking is trying to teach him. They/we don't even seem to notice it, and just continue to think of ourselves as excellent educators.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 03:57pm PT
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It's all Bush's fault.
That stoopid moron brainwashed all his stooopid people in Texas .....
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 18, 2015 - 05:19pm PT
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The title of the frickin thread is a White House generated social media campaign, for crying out loud,LOL.
Yep, without this shrewd scheme Obama will be denied a third term. You are brilliant Ward, just brilliant.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 05:32pm PT
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And if this fails at securing a third term then there is always Jade Helm II.
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Highdesertman
Trad climber
jtree ca
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Sep 18, 2015 - 05:38pm PT
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Wards comments mirror almost exactly those of Bristol palin on her recent comments about Obama! Easy to tell where he gets his news. Probably checks on sarahs posts quite frequently so he knows how hes supposed to think!!
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 18, 2015 - 06:18pm PT
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Dang Ward. Just, dang...
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docsavage
Trad climber
Albuquerque, NM
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Sep 18, 2015 - 09:43pm PT
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Ahmed is just a local lesson in how extremists are created overseas ... & at a pace faster than they can be killed ...
Kid seems resilient tho ...
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Sep 19, 2015 - 09:06am PT
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This story may turn out to be the troll of the year.
From what I've read, it seems like Ahmed knew exactly what he was doing.
Let's see... he makes a clock... that could easily be mistaken for a bomb. Metal case. Lots of wires. It has nothing to do with any school project. It's just something he brought to school.
His story is he wanted to show it to his engineering teacher... which he did. The teacher tells him not to show it to other teachers.
So, what's he do? He takes to English class, where it makes sounds... disrupting the class.
The teacher freaks out. The principal freaks out. The cops are called.
How does Ahmed react to this? Does he try to explain himself? According to authorities, he was passive aggressive and uncooperative, offering little more than "it's a clock". "He didn’t offer any explanation as to what it was for, why he created this device, why he brought it to school"
He's arrested. Then released.
Less than 24 hours later, he's posted a well done video on youtube, portraying himself as an innocent victim of overzealous authorities.
It turns out, his dad is an an anti-Islamophobia attention whore.
I look forward to seeing where this story goes.
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cleo
Social climber
wherever you go, there you are
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Sep 19, 2015 - 02:33pm PT
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^^^^ You forgot part of the conspiracy. The teacher, principal, AND the cops are all IN on the attention whoring. They have to be, because they knew the device was NOT a bomb, but they *still* arrested, interrogated for 3 hours, and suspended this child, for show!
How do we know they they're all in on this conspiracy?
They didn't evacuate the school, like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't call a bomb squad - like you do when there's a bomb.
They didn't get as far away from him as possible, like you do when there's a bomb.
Then they put him and the clock in an office: not like you do when there's a bomb
Then they waited with him for the police to arrive, and then they put the clock in the same car as the police.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/17/1422329/--They-didn-t-think-he-had-a-bomb
(previously linked upthread, but still important)
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Sep 19, 2015 - 03:22pm PT
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He should try to bring that as a carry on next time he flies.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 19, 2015 - 03:23pm PT
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Talk about unresponsive.
The cops already knew it wasn't a bomb. Why were they asking the kid if it was?
We'll have to wait until the NSA tapes are released, but I believe the kid said "No, it's a clock".
I suppose he had several alternatives:
Can you rephrase the question?
Are you asking me if it's a hoax bomb?
Are you asking me if it's a hoax bomb, yes or no?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Sep 19, 2015 - 03:50pm PT
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cleo
Social climber
wherever you go, there you are
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Sep 19, 2015 - 04:04pm PT
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He should try to bring that as a carry on next time he flies.
I brought something that looked like that on an airplane... and the date was 24 Sept 2001.
It went something like this:
Airport Security: What is that?
Me: It's a data acquisition system.
AS: Turn it on and show me.
Me: I can't, it has to be plugged in (to the drilling rig instruments).
AS: Open it.
Me: Ok (unscrews box, shows electronics and plugs going everywhere).
AS: (swiping for explosive residue)
AS: Ok, move along.
I'm sure when Ahmed gets on an airplane next - for his White House visit - he WILL be carrying that!
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 20, 2015 - 07:57pm PT
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My apology for extending Ahmend's 15 minutes of fame, but if anyone's still interested, it's now clear that this was in fact a hoax.
Ahmed didn't "invent" (however loosely defined) or build anything; he took a 30 year old alarm clock out of its original enclosure, put it in a different enclosure, and that was that.
http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/
Dawkins also saw it was a hoax, and recommended a Youtube explanation--you can read about it here.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/sep/20/richard-dawkins-questions-ahmed-mohamed-motive-backlash
One thing you can count on--whenever Obama's weighs in on the latest whacky news story, he'on on the wrong side.
"Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It's what makes America great,"
Great that Obama thinks 1980s Radio Shack alarm clocks are cool (and maybe they are), but to take a line from an Internet wag, Obama's "you didn't build that" line seems most appropriate.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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Sep 20, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Sep 23, 2015 - 01:39pm PT
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Sep 23, 2015 - 04:55pm PT
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Now it comes out that the kids sister had previously been suspended from the same school for telling a classmate that she "wanted to blow up the school."
The plot thickens...
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Sep 23, 2015 - 05:50pm PT
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^^^
No,
his sister was "accused" by someone years before, and denies it.
“I got suspended from school for three days from this stupid same district, from this girl saying I wanted to blow up the school, something I had nothing to do with.”
Eyman talks with the slightest lisp, almost imperceptible, but it becomes stronger as she gets emotional.
“I got suspended and I didn’t do anything about it and so when I heard about Ahmed, I was so mad because it happened to me and I didn’t get to stand up, so I’m making sure he’s standing up because it’s not right. So I’m not jealous, I’m kinda like—it’s like he’s standing for me.”
Eyman said her suspension was in her first year of middle school, “my first year of attempting middle school in America. I knew English, but the culture was different, the people were different.”
This part of Texas is a hotbed of Islamophobia....
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/17/man-i-went-viral-my-day-with-ahmed-moahmed-the-most-famous-boy-on-earth.html
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 23, 2015 - 07:28pm PT
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Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 23, 2015 - 08:24pm PT
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This part of Texas is a hotbed of Islamophobia....
It's pretty close to the area where the two Muslims tried to kill people at a "draw Mohammed" art display, right?
Anyway, it's hard to say whether Ahmed is just an obnoxious little sh#t or if he (and/or his family) are more sinister. That's the same question I've had about Obama for the past 7 years.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 24, 2015 - 06:28am PT
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^^^
Well, we can tell that you're an obnoxious little sh#t, though perhaps there is something more sinister here going on with you as well. You certainly are jonesing for the explanation that this 14 yr. old kid is some kind of criminal mastermind who plotted all these steps in advance. Maybe in your mind it went down something like this:
Scene: Ahmed standing before his alarm clock.
Ahmed: (wringing his hands as he speaks) Yes, my pretty, I will take you to school, since everyone knows that I muslim, so they'll think you're a bomb. I will feign the part of an naive 14 yr. old school boy interested in science and claim. The police will come and detain, causing me and my family great humiliation (even though I did nothing wrong). Then the liberal media will get word of the story, and since Obama is a puppet of the liberal media, he will hear too and invite me to the White house, where I'll show off my alarm clock and rule the world! (Laughs evilly at this last part).
Is that kind of what you were picturing blahblah?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Sep 24, 2015 - 08:32am PT
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good to know Texas teenagers are bomb experts
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Sep 24, 2015 - 08:38am PT
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From Wednesday:
Today, Mohamed’s family announced that they had hired two attorneys to help retrieve the science project from Texas police. However, BuzzFeed reports, police say that they already notified the family that the clock is available for pickup—and has been since last week, when the case against Mohamed was closed.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 24, 2015 - 08:45am PT
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What grade did the science teacher give him on the project?
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 24, 2015 - 08:53am PT
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Even if Ahmed was trolling the school, so what? That school needed to be trolled to reveal some deep problems.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 24, 2015 - 10:10am PT
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Even if Ahmed was trolling the school, so what? That school needed to be trolled to reveal some deep problems.
With luck, Ahmed and his family will sue the school, and the school won't make a quick settlement. The US legal system has its flaws, but nothing like some good old fashioned depositions to get to the bottom of this.
Ahmed's sister won't be able to lean over his shoulder and tell him what to say.
He's certainly got some explaining to do; he may get more of an opportunity to do so than he expects.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 24, 2015 - 08:50am PT
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Fifteen million dollars?
I don't see any damages to the kid. Just the opposite. His future is a hell of a lot brighter because of what's happened than it ever would have been otherwise.
He met The President. He has scholarship offers. Google's looking at him. None of this would have happened had he not been 86'd out of class.
I'd count my goddamn blessings, if I were him.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Nov 24, 2015 - 09:05am PT
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“After careful consideration of all the generous offers received, we would like to announce that we have accepted a kind offer from Qatar Foundation for Education, Science and Community Development (QF) for Ahmed to join the prestigious QF Young Innovators Program, which reflects the organization’s on-going dedication to empowering young people and fostering a culture of innovation and creativity,” the family said in a news release Tuesday//.
Please don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out..... K. Good riddance.... enjoy Gutter, freedom paradise.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Nov 24, 2015 - 09:20am PT
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Chaz posted Fifteen million dollars?
I don't see any damages to the kid. Just the opposite. His future is a hell of a lot brighter because of what's happened than it ever would have been otherwise.
He met The President. He has scholarship offers. Google's looking at him. None of this would have happened had he not been 86'd out of class.
I'd count my goddamn blessings, if I were him.
So if someone someone harms you but then other people are nice to you to try to offset that harm and demonstrate general good will, you are lucky to have been harmed and the person that harmed you now gets credit for your good fortune?
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 24, 2015 - 09:20am PT
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The school acted stupidly and deserves a spanking but $15 mill is berserk.
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Norton
Social climber
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Nov 24, 2015 - 09:22am PT
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it has long been the forte of suing attorneys to start out outrageously high
the amount is irrelevant at this point
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couchmaster
climber
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Jan 11, 2017 - 08:42pm PT
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John Schmidt noted: "the amount is irrelevant at this point" Au Contrair John. In fact, you folks outraged at the way Ahmed Mohamed was treated and supported these lawsuits need to put up (some money) or shut up. The kid and his father not only lost the litigation they brought, it appears that they are now on the hook for approx $280,000-$380,000 in legal fees of the people they sued.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/11/ahmed-mohamed-clock-boy-denied-judge-dismisses-100/
http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/11/lawsuits-against-media-outlets-have-not-worked-out-well-for-clock-boy/
"it is not surprising that the court granted Fox and [correspondent Ben] Ferguson’s motion in full and awarded more than $80,000 in fees to Fox and Ferguson…...
...This week, after a length hearing, the court granted both motions. According to a triumphant press release by CSP’s attorneys, the trial court pressed Mohammed’s lawyers for specific false factual statements without result. I’ve seen no transcript, but that would be consistent with the poor quality of the papers. The court has now issued orders granting the motions and invited these defendants to submit affidavits documenting their attorney fees for recovery. I’m going to estimate that those fees from these defendants will total between $200,000 and $300,000."
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