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Christopher Whitecotton
Social climber
Roseville, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 6, 2015 - 06:16pm PT
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A buddy and I were climbing Haystack at the leap on Friday. As I reached the top of pitch 2 and set up the anchor, I noticed a drone at about eye level, maybe 75 feet away. I'm used to crowded conditions at the leap, but mostly the human variety. :) Had I been in the back country, I kinda would have been wishing for a wilderness experience. But given it's the leap, well, it's not where you go for that these days, so if someone wants to have fun taking my picture, go ahead. But if you're on supertopo, post it. I'd love to see me or my buddy pulling the 5.8 roof move.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Ha! One more element in 21st century cultural evolution we're all going to have to get used to, adapt to, I guess.
I want to see, too. Any drone vids of the Leap, post up. Now or 1 year from now. Or 5 years from now. Thanks.
I'll tip a coffee in btc! :)
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Serious question...
Is it legal (or at least not illegal) to chuck a rock at the damn thing and knock it out?
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Christopher Whitecotton
Social climber
Roseville, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2015 - 06:56pm PT
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delhi dog, good question. And the answer may depend on if the rock hits somebody on the head on the trail down below. Not worth it, imho.
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franky
Trad climber
Black Hills, SD
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shotgun.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Flip 'em off.
If they get in range, piss on 'em.
Goddam things are a menace, and the pilots are jackasses.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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"DRONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
instead of "ROCK!!!!!!" ?
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Unfortunately you may not take down a drone. It is charged as vandalism and will also be liable for repairs and punitive damages in some instances. I for one would like to see the laws changed, but until then make sure you aren't seen if you take one out...
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Drones are fun to fly and take fun photos.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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I have the equipment to find their video channel and them swamp it effectively blinding the pilot, lol...it would be a fun job at places like Yosemite Valley
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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I think drones at the leap are pretty cool. there's plenty of places they're not allowed and i'm happy to embrace them (don't own one) in some otherwise somewhat natural settings. 75' away is no big deal and they could have been shooting elsewhere or doing a flyby. I think most basic photography rights still exist even with drone shot material.
maybe a little OT but I could see in the future a drone sending live footage to an en route rescue party or heli preparing to evac someone. being able to communicate with the injured party and those onsite.
seems like the leap would be a good place to test such a technology.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Sep 6, 2015 - 08:04pm PT
Unfortunately you may not take down a drone. It is charged as vandalism and will also be liable for repairs and punitive damages in some instances. I for one would like to see the laws changed, but until then make sure you aren't seen if you take one out...
Love to have that lawsuit. I'd ask for a jury trial.
Counter with reckless endangerment.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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^^ "$2000" swatted out of the sky.
Love it!
Do your peeping somewhere else says the chimp:-)
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msiddens
Trad climber
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So lame. I consider it an invasion
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T?S
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Old guys, and their unrelenting problems with change of any kind, makes me laugh.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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.45 ACP on Corrugation
.357 Ruger on the line
.40Cal on hospital corner
A Thompson contender would be perfect for protection up there.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Definitely, not everyone appreciates being "droned".
Flip 'em off. Been done before and caught on video
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Old guys, and their unrelenting problems with change of any kind, makes me laugh.
How is it that you know how old the people are who don't like to be buzzed by a remote-controlled drone?
I remember when I was young, we were saying that you couldn't trust anybody over 30.
Now that I'm all grown up, I'm saying, "When will those young'uns ever learn?"
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Branscomb
Trad climber
Lander, WY
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The US group that went into Hkakabo Razi (sp?) in N Myanmar took one or two drones to take pictures. It's the coming thing, or all ready here, maybe. Seems weird to me, but technically it sounds like a lot of fun and the photo op opportunities are certainly stunning. However, if I saw one outside of my window, it would be shotgun time, I'm sooooo sorry (not!).
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thirsty
climber
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I consider the noise pollution to be a real issue. Every time our next door neighbor fires his up to take a look at my wife I hear that distinct buzzing - and its not a pleasant sound. I don't think any motorized sounds are pleasant. I don't know if some models are quieter than others. I don't like other people's music at the crags, or campgrounds with generators running. I don't want to hear that buzzing out on longer routes, even at a crowded areas. Neither would I like seeing them rather than the birds or open sky. So what if Lover's Leap is crowded? Its still a beautiful place like many others. I end up climbing more often in those places than the really remote areas, like most everyone else. If we don't voice our objections to increased intrusions of this type into public lands, they continue to grow. Here's another one: all the dispersed target shooting in the NF around our house. There is way more of it now than 10 years ago. Its obnoxious, loud and sometimes its non stop all day. I know there are remote silent areas out there, but I run in the woods behind my house. We can and should require that target shooting be done in specific places without banning hunting.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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wrist rocket and small bag of corn would do the trick. They should be banned at lovers leap and all other cliffs because it will freak out the raptors.
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Bad Climber
climber
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I first encountered a drone in the wild as my wife and I were headed up to Zoo Wall in the 'Bamas. Freakin' hate those things! Freaked our dog out, too. Fortunately, it wasn't up for too long. Must EVERYTHING be intruded upon by tech.? Shut down the phones, park the drones, let nature's tidings flow into you.
BAd
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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I'd think that a quick link/small biner on some throw away webbing should be able take one down with the right aim...also, it'd stay with the drone and not fly off on it's own trajectory like a rock.
I will admit, this makes the Leap far far less appealing to visit. Enjoy my place in line folks!
Cheers!
LS
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Urizen
Ice climber
Berkeley, CA
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It may not be legal to take down a drone, but neither is it legal for its owner to publish photographs of you without your permission. So, what you gain from civil judgments could outweigh what you lose in criminal penalties....
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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My life must be boring; I've never been approached by any picture-taking drones.
I am aware of the vandalism issues, and even at least one case of possible prosecution for a landowner shooting down an encroaching drone, but I wonder where the law of trespass enters (at least for overflights of private property). What about damage from a very locaized rainstorm (caused by a very powerful pressure washer)? Also, if the owner of the buckshot-infested drone can sue for vandalism, can I counterclaim for vandalism too, because the enemy drone attacked my shotgun blast with its body?
The possibilities for creative lawyering are amusing.
John
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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John, I am thinking it would be really hard to prosecute without the
remains of the drone to present as evidence. And just because the drone
vid seems to show you throwing something at it how can it be proven
that what you threw was what took it out? I see nothing but legal loopholes.
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overwatch
climber
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What is the great change we should be preparing for, being filmed by some dipshit with a joystick or getting bombed from the sky when the "pilot" inevitably loses control?
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sasha Cohen
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe CA
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If sum mofo drone comes near me whilst I'm a leading then it's toast. That's it, if you don't like it see you in court ghey boy. And if I die as a result of some gawker, then it's really"on". Do somthin" for real.
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