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DrDeeg
Mountain climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 30, 2015 - 03:09pm PT
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Although Denali has been the name used for years to identify the nation's highest mountain, officially it's still Mt McKinley. Obama has begun the process to change that to Denali.
He still has to get this through Congress. In previous attempts, the Ohio (William McKinley's home state) delegation has led the objections.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
Boise, ID or the fricken Bakken, variously
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Aug 30, 2015 - 03:15pm PT
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I'd support it.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 30, 2015 - 03:27pm PT
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Fantastic.....Obama leaves tomorrow and will be the first sitting president to visit the Alaskan Arctic. McKinley never got near Alaska.
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Norton
Social climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
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good, it is the right thing to do
The peak was named Mount McKinley in 1896 after a gold prospector exploring the region heard that Ohioan William McKinley, a champion of the gold standard, had won the Republican nomination for president.
But Alaska natives had long before called the mountain Denali, meaning "the High One." In 1975, the state of Alaska officially designated the mountain as Denali, and has since been pressing the federal government to do the same.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Aug 30, 2015 - 03:53pm PT
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Darn: I have been a supporter of auctioning off naming rights in hopes that MacDonalds would bid enough to balance the Federal budget, then rename Denali "BIG MAC." (In a perfect universe they would also buy naming rights for Mt. Foraker & rename it "Mt. Cheeseburgler;)"
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 30, 2015 - 03:59pm PT
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Cool! About time.
And actually he does not need to go through congress. The Geographic board had been deferring to congress and failed to act for 40 years. A 1947 law allows the Secretary of the Interior to take action if after a reasonable amount of time the board fails to act.
The mountain is now officially Denali in US law or will be tomorrow.
I'll bet Trump can't wait to be president. He loves to name things.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 04:02pm PT
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Mount McKinley is a stupid name to begin with.
The idiot egotist westerner white man has no clue.
Just like the fools renamed Chomolungma to Mt Everest.
Denali it always is.
Stoopid clueless westerner fools have no clue WTF they're doing half the time or more .....
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 04:05pm PT
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Hey Werner, that reminds me of the Berkeley clan a couple years back that we fought and beat that wanted to change North Palisade to that egotist westerners name. Hell, they even tried to be sneaky and got Boxer & Feinstien to pull a fast one in D.C. with Obama to do so. FAIL! We cut there sneaky asses off at the "Notch".
Now what was that Westerner dudes name.... I believe it started with a "B".
Denali it should be.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 30, 2015 - 04:53pm PT
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Watch the next President re-name it Trump Mountain.
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Redwood City
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Aug 30, 2015 - 05:00pm PT
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I can't believe they're naming it after the Cadillac all the rappers drive ....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 30, 2015 - 05:01pm PT
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It's about time. Very few people in Alaska have ever used the M word.
Bless the ancient Koyukon name.
DENALI !!!!!!
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krahmes
Social climber
Stumptown
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Aug 30, 2015 - 05:03pm PT
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Good.
Here’s a few more to change back:
Mt Hood, Oregon = Wyeast
Mt St Helens = Loowit
Mt Rainier, Washington = Tahoma
Mt Adams, I’m a bit torn the First Nation names Pahto or Klicktat are a bit harsh, I’d settle for Yakima.
Mt Jefferson, Oregon = Mt Jefferson (You have to give the pioneer's patron saint his due.)
Mt Washington, Oregon = Squaw Tit or if that just blows a gasket in your SJW mind how about Perky Nipple A Cup Mountain.
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allapah
climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 05:04pm PT
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Chief Peter John of Minto, for whom the mountain was an entity on the southwest horizon, called it "The McKinley"... He was being tongue in cheek, the MInto people had a different Athabaskan name for the mountain, "Tenada", I think, or maybe "Traleika," so he called it by the gussok name instead of "Denali"
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allapah
climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 05:09pm PT
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Denali, Tenada, Doleyka, Traleyka, Bulshaia Gora, Densmore's Peak, Big Mac, McKinley
It's best to call it McKinley to differentiate it from Denali Park
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allapah
climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 05:10pm PT
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We're bitter here in Nome that Obama's going to Kotzebue instead of here
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 06:03pm PT
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Obama can always be counted on to take every little opportunity to divide the American people.
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Aug 30, 2015 - 06:25pm PT
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Oh yeah! This is suppose to be a kind of an appeasement since he's allowing the oil companies open access to the Arctic!
I know that we are suppose to believe he is a socialist, but I think he has been nothing but another goddamn republicrat!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 30, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
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Obama can always be counted on to take every little opportunity to divide the American people.
Don't worry Ward, we can always count on you too!
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apogee
climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 06:47pm PT
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Jody's pretty good about it, too, Ward.
Yay for Obama. Again.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:19pm PT
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Don't worry Ward, we can always count on you too!
Crucial distinction is that Obama is The President representing all of America. Ward only represents himself. Obama thumbs his nose at that obligation. He is a radical extremist with an agenda ---and that agenda is nothing less than the transformation of this country to ,among other things ,reflect Obama's overblown pathologically narcissistic ego.
Personally I don't care if they name that mountain " big icy climbers toilet " and the Narcissist in Chief could have shut his big mouth and made sure the bureaucratic name change took place under the radar-- but instead he decides to openly and arrogantly announce it.
What an as#@&%e.Seriously King-sized.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:29pm PT
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Uhmmm Ward...that was pretty insane. Seriously recommend dedicating yourself to being at more peace. Your apparent mindset seems very uncomfortable and unpleasant to me. Best wishes.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:34pm PT
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Hopefully he'll pull the plug on Shell drilling up there
at the same time. . . (I wish).
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:35pm PT
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I don't and he won't.
The world NEEDS oil right now..Among many good reasons, it is the only way to have the resources needed to replace oil. Sadly we probably won't take advantage of the time we have left to do so.
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Norton
Social climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:35pm PT
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clever troll post
for what, dramatic effect?
based on past postings, not fooling anyone
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:36pm PT
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Over the top much, Ward?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Aug 30, 2015 - 08:54pm PT
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The tallest volcano in northern Boxer-Feinstein is named for a soft drink.
--Mouse from Garnisht-Partridgen
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Denver CO
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Aug 30, 2015 - 08:59pm PT
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Of course most of the great mountains in the US are named after 19th century politicians. There was nothing great or memorable about these people, that mountains should be named after them. We should change as many of them back as possible. I recently started a thread about this for the Colorado 14ers but have not thought about it much since:
Native American Names of Colorado 14ers?
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 09:09pm PT
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Barack Hussein Obama.
18 letters; each name averages six letters long.
6 6 6.
Coincidence?
I think not.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:05pm PT
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In the Koyukon dialect of Athabascan languages it means something really strange obscure and unexpected.
used in context..The big mountain. By itself the words de' nae' li mean "the big/biggest one/thing. The words that became Denali could be equally used for singling out any largest item one is discussing. Kinda a lame name really. But it has stuck in Alaska.
There is another set of south side (Denaina (the big people lol) or anglicized Tanana) Athabascan native names for the three prominently visible Alaska range peaks that are more romantic and descriptive...
They mean Parent-Uncle (which is the most common male parent roletaker in their original culture not the biological father), Mother and child for Denali Foraker and Hunter. Hunter is Beguya (the child) Foraker is Sultana (mother) and Denali is Dghelay Ka’a or anglicized as Traleika
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gunsmoke
Mountain climber
Clackamas, Oregon
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:20pm PT
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Seems like naming mountains is a little outside the job description of the President.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:21pm PT
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Technically he simply approved it, or will tomorow.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:23pm PT
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Crucial distinction is that Obama is The President representing all of America. Ward only represents himself. Obama thumbs his nose at that obligation. He is a radical extremist with an agenda ---and that agenda is nothing less than the transformation of this country to ,among other things ,reflect Obama's overblown pathologically narcissistic ego.
Personally I don't care if they name that mountain " big icy climbers toilet " and the Narcissist in Chief could have shut his big mouth and made sure the bureaucratic name change took place under the radar-- but instead he decides to openly and arrogantly announce it.
What an as#@&%e.Seriously King-sized.
Just to preserve Ward Trotter's post because it is so out there.
Nutty, I tell ya.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:36pm PT
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I really am enjoying reading some of the responses considering many here were obviously in favor of renaming North Palisade to that politically inclined dudes name a couple of years ago... ah, started with a "B".
Carry on.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:56pm PT
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Yeah it is kinda odd..not sure why this particular native name version became such a cause in Alaska. The mountain does have a place in native mythology but under what name or even what the story or stories are I am not sure.
Still for some reason I don't fully understand I'm pretty happy to see this happen.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 30, 2015 - 11:41pm PT
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it's being renamed purely to piss off Ward (Obama's extremist agenda since 2008).
Mission Accomplished!!!111666
Even if Denali means 'piece of shite' it's better than naming it after an Anglo piece of shite/politician.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 30, 2015 - 11:49pm PT
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Even if Denali means 'piece of shite' it's better than naming it after an Anglo piece of shite.....
Right on Wade. That was precisely my exact sentiments regarding the sneaky attempt to rename North Pal.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 31, 2015 - 06:44am PT
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The Chief...Have you climbed North Pal or McKinley..? rj
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 31, 2015 - 07:01am PT
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NP some two dozen times from both east and west. It's sorta a hotspot of the paying folks from So Cal and a must do when I was a guide.
Now way on the Big Mac attack. That thang is far too much of a Hipster Hill friday eve at the T-time Clubhouse conversation piece.
"Next, Please...."
Edit: I could give fk what they officially call it. Cus it's nothing more than a Commercial for Black Diamond and the rest of the multi-million dollar Big Corp Wall Street Chinese manu'd climbing "Industry". The entity that so many climbers these days, including here on ST, supposedly disdain so much...
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Aug 31, 2015 - 07:17am PT
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Didn't he green light drilling in the Arctic? Oh yeah, Denali sounds much better ...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Aug 31, 2015 - 07:23am PT
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Man, there's a lot of hatin' around here.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Aug 31, 2015 - 07:35am PT
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Obama seems pragmatic, and centrist. I wish he would have done more, like he did in Bristol Bay. See below.
Still, considering who he deals with, maybe it was the best deal he could get. It looks like he is spinning his visit the best he can. However, the money and oil keep flowing, and our world isn't what it was 150 years ago. Seems to keep going in the same direction too.
I really hope the Native American groups call him out. Does the name really matter if coastal tribes no longer have any land?
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/05/28/3663715/obama-twitter-chat-arctic-drilling/
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10b4me
Social climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 07:41am PT
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I am glad they changed the name.
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DrDeeg
Mountain climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 31, 2015 - 07:45am PT
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Sadly but too predictably, Obama's decision to push the change to Denali has drawn the usual negative reactions.
"He's not done enough about climate change, or environment, or Native Alaskans."
"He's moved too aggressively on climate change and environment, and he will destroy our economy, which is based on coal and oil."
Basically, many seem to think that if Obama's for it, then it must be a bad idea, as some of the news this morning shows:
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"Obama's move to strip the mountain of its name honoring former President William McKinley drew loud condemnations from Ohio lawmakers, including Republican Rep. Bob Gibbs, who said he planned to work with his colleagues to see what they could do to stop it.
'This political stunt is insulting to all Ohioans, and I will be working with the House Committee on Natural Resources to determine what can be done to prevent this action,' Gibbs said.
House Speaker John Boehner said he was deeply disappointed in the decision to rename the mountain."
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apogee
climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 07:48am PT
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If Bush had suggested this, Boehner, Ward, & Fox News would honor his vision.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Aug 31, 2015 - 07:53am PT
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What if he had really put himself out there to block drilling, even if it was just a symbolic fight. After losing, he visited the arctic, spoke about climate change, and called the mountain Denali. They talk about legacy towards the end of a presidency. Or he could hope to get a mountain named after him :)
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apogee
climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:11am PT
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Ever been there, Chief?
The West Butt is definitely a cattle path, but the place is still pretty awesome. There are LOTS of really cool places on the mountain that are spectacular, and you won't see a single other person.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:16am PT
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Who knew so many people felt so strongly about this?
I've always gotten a kick out of people who referred to Mt. McKinley as Denali. It seemed so pretentious. Like the common practice of mispronouncing crevasse.
Maybe we should rename all of our natural treasures to names used before Europeans savaged the land.
The West Butt is definitely a cattle path, but the place is still pretty awesome. There are LOTS of really cool places on the mountain that are spectacular, and you won't see a single other person.
Pretty much anywhere other than the West side.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:16am PT
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Read my post at the top of the page APO... no desire to come close to the Big Mac Attack! Never...
It's them turds in the ice. Never did like having human feces on my Pons. Got enough of that at LVC.
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apogee
climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:18am PT
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"I've always gotten a kick out of people who referred to Mt. McKinley as Denali. It seemed so pretentious."
98.5% of people have no idea of why that mountain was renamed, what is used to be called, or who the hell McKinley actually was.
Until it hits the FauxNews media and the House of Repubs (same thing), then it becomes another reason to hate Obama.
Edit:
I did a short stint on the VIP climbing ranger gig for the NPS back in the 90's on Denali- we were the last patrol on the mountain for the year, so we got to fly all of the Krap® that was at 14k back to Talkeetna via Chinooks. The 'throne' over the shitter goes back, too...there was a 6' frozen sh#t-stalactite under it...and it had been moved several times already that season!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:24am PT
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He's timing his warmist speech perfectly
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10b4me
Social climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:27am PT
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Glad to see you all aboard EddyT. I don't normally associate you with this sort of mental flexibility and open-mindedness. Well done!
DMT
Dingus , maybe I'm wrong, but I thought he was being sarcastic.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:28am PT
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Paul McCartney set to rename John Muir Trail, The Long and Winding Road or vice versa.
Mirror Lake to become Through the Looking Glass Waterway
Bolivians & Peruvians won't touch Lake Titicaca with a ten foot pole
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Norton
Social climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:30am PT
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You're trolling, or stupid, or both, TCT.
you can delete the trolling option to find the answer
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:31am PT
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I like how Hawaii has retained many of its traditional names.
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apogee
climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:34am PT
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Did you know Obama suggested naming many of the Hawaiian features with the names of US presidents?
Yet another reason to hate Obama!
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:37am PT
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I did a short stint on the VIP climbing ranger gig for the NPS back in the 90's on Denali- we were the last patrol on the mountain for the year, so we got to fly all of the Krap® that was at 14k back to Talkeetna via Chinooks.
Very cool. Were you fortunate enough to get aerial views of the other faces?
Cassin/South Face?
Wickersham Wall?
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:38am PT
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Did you know Obama suggested naming many of the Hawaiian features with the names of US presidents?
Yet another reason to hate Obama!
F*#king Obama!
Had he been born there, as he claims, he wouldn't do that!
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apogee
climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:40am PT
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The chinook flight path was from 14k, down to 7k, where we picked up all that shite, too- then down along the Kahiltna and out to the flatland tundra. One of the most memorable views, though, was sitting on that pile of Krap® and looking out the back end of the Chinook with the Kahiltna & Foraker in view.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 31, 2015 - 09:23am PT
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I read that as of today, it's not want to change the name, but did change the name.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Aug 31, 2015 - 09:37am PT
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What about Tumanguya?
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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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Aug 31, 2015 - 09:39am PT
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Our Repub senators both support this, by the way, the first time they agreed with Obama on anything (except for allowing Shell to drill offshore--they like that, too).
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 31, 2015 - 09:42am PT
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Tumanguya?
Was that Eli's middle name?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 31, 2015 - 09:45am PT
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It's a large natural elevation of the earth's surface rising abruptly to a summit at slightly more than 6000 meters above the level of the sea. It was here for millions of years before the brief Denali/Mckinley/Denali episode....and will be here for millions of years after.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Aug 31, 2015 - 09:49am PT
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Cus it's nothing more than a Commercial for Black Diamond and the rest of the multi-million dollar Big Corp Wall Street Chinese manu'd climbing "Industry".
sez the guy who guided 24 paying parties up NP
Then there is Batso, he seems to get all sorts of plum spots named after him, Even after having a love child
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/14/us/president-harding-affair-dna-revelation/
What up with that
Warren G. Harding High School, Warren, Ohio
Warren G. Harding Middle School, Steubenville, Ohio
Warren G. Harding High School; Bridgeport, Connecticut
Warren G. Harding Middle School, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Harding Senior High School, Saint Paul, Minnesota
Harding Middle School, Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Harding Elementary School, Santa Barbara, California
Harding Elementary School, El Cerrito, California
Warren G. Harding Elementary School, Hammond, Indiana.
Harding Memorial, Marion, Ohio, listed on the National Register of Historic Places.
Marion Harding High School, Marion, Ohio
Harding County, New Mexico is named in his honor.
Ohio Northern University's College of Law was once named after him but was later renamed.
Harding Park Golf Club in San Francisco is named after him.
Peace Treaty Marker in Somerville, New Jersey. In 1921, at the estate of New Jersey Governor Joseph S. Frelinghuysen, Warren Harding signed the peace treaty that ended America's involvement in World War I. Today, the estate has been replaced with mini-malls. The marker remains in a patch of grass near a Burger King parking lot along Route 28, just north of the Somerville traffic circle.
Harding Charter Preparatory High School, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Harding Fine Arts Academy, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Harding Memorial, Seattle, Washington. In 1925, a memorial was erected in Seattle at Woodland Park to commemorate the site of Harding's next-to-last public address. In 1977, the memorial was demolished and buried under the Woodland Park Zoo's African Savanna exhibit. The memorial's only surviving elements—two life-sized bronze statues of Boy Scouts that once saluted the image of Harding—were relocated to the headquarters of the Chief Seattle Council of the Boy Scouts.
Montana Highway 2 over Pipestone Pass near Butte, Montana is named "The Harding Way" in his honor.
Harding Icefield in Southcentral Alaska
Harding Elementary in Kenilworth, New Jersey.
Harding Township, New Jersey—Named in 1922 for the incumbent President.
Harding Middle School in Des Moines, Iowa
In a neighborhood of Ketchikan, Alaska, north of the original townsite (or present-day downtown), three adjoining streets were named Warren, G and Harding following Harding's visit to the city.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Aug 31, 2015 - 09:52am PT
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Eli Tomac?
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apogee
climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:03pm PT
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Obama should rename all of those Harding places as 'Obama'. That'll really be entertaining to watch!
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:07pm PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:11pm PT
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If Obama is serious about climate control then I want to see him eat some Stinkhead in Kotzebue.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Aug 31, 2015 - 05:03pm PT
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FWIW its been Denali National Park since about 1988. Nothing new here, please walk along...
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Aug 31, 2015 - 05:43pm PT
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help me out here, did obama really say "revise those resumes now or have your ascents rendered invalid?"
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Aug 31, 2015 - 06:13pm PT
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I hope he stays up there renaming peaks instead of inciting people to execute LEO's.
Don't worry Judy, you're team is still winning the body count competition.
Good for BO, past time.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 31, 2015 - 07:02pm PT
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Am I alone in finding Obama's trip to AK to make a statement about climate change ironic
in view of the 160 tons of fuel he'll burn on the trip? (not counting the accompanying
planes)
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Norton
Social climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 07:23pm PT
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probably yes, Reilly
there is irony everywhere
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 31, 2015 - 07:59pm PT
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Yes at least one C-5 or two C-17s for the motorcade and another one for the support group.
And on to of that it's going to snow on his warmist speech
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
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Spider is right...He just named a mountain after the luxury version of GMC's largest SUV. Good grief.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Aug 31, 2015 - 09:04pm PT
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
Bishop
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I'm with Locker! It's a nice gesture but, I think it is to take attention away from allowing drilling in the Arctic!
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couchmaster
climber
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^^^ to power those bloated Denali that GM makes. Irony everywhere. I'd suggest that GM rename the bloatmobiles McKinley's, but as our fattest President was Taft, perhaps they can be persuaded to go with that for those things instead.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The drilling policy has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with positioning for arctic resources relative to Russia. Unfortunate, but it's the latest extension of the cold war and exacerbated by global warming. It's no different than the move to speed up ice breaker production and build more of them (way behind on that one compared to the Russians).
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Phred
Mountain climber
Anchorage
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The original post stated that the name change would require Congressional approval. This is not the case. Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell signed Secretarial Order No. 3337 specifically because Congress has failed to act on the issue despite legislation being filed 40 years ago. The name was officially changed on August 28, 2015. Congress does retain the right to re-name the peak, as it does with any geographical feature in the U.S.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The Ohio delegation filed and refiled bills for forty years without any expectation they would ever come to a vote. They just needed to languish in committee forever in a clear abuse of what was a deference to the Congress made out of respect. The president simply called them on their clear gaming of the system.
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Back in the late 60s when I was rangering at Denali park (then called Mt. McKinley N.P.) we were notified by the Washington office that Denali's north peak was slated to be officially named Churchill Peak. We were a bit upset about that, but that's the last we ever heard of it. It would be interesting to learn the history of that proposal and why it was apparently abandoned.
Good for Obama. Follows the common usage now.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Am I alone in finding Obama's trip to AK to make a statement about climate change ironic
It's okay.
It's Obama.
He gets a pass.
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Damn, it's beautiful.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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I am very happy that the mountain's name will be changed to Mount Denali.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Am I alone in finding Obama's trip to AK to make a statement about climate change ironic
He also exhales CO2 despite supporting the Clean Air Act and pisses and shits despite supporting the Clean Water Act. Oh the humanity!!! I'd say you need to adjust your irony sensor.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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And if we do nothing, Alaskan temperatures are projected to rise between six and twelve degrees by the end of the century.
He sounds so sciency.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oh, the irony! Here's the irony - we're constantly told we gotta buy Priuses, insulate more,
turn down our thermostats, car pool with the azzhole in the next cubicle, etc. Oh, and here in
the People's Republic of Bureaucrastan we have to pay almost twice as much for our gas,
cause we're special. So why didn't Obama set a good example and use the power of the media,
you know - like a fake moon landing, or even a podcast, instead of burning at least
640 TONS of fuel? BTW, for you white people, that's 213,300 gallons.
GET A PRIUS, BRA!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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President's job is to represent and be the public face of policy - there is no irony in actually going to Alaska where the problems of climate change are already impacting people and the economy. That you want him to drive a prius or hang glider to get there is a non-sequitur.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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President's job is to represent and be the public face of policy - there is no irony in actually going to Alaska where the problems of climate change are already impacting people and the economy.
How is climate change are already impacting Alaskans and the economy?
I think commercial fisheries had a record production in 2013.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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You should be driving a Renault
You so funny! But I have some pride left.
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dirtbag
climber
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Huh. I thought he was going to name it Mt. Mohammed.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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President's job is to represent and be the public face of policy - there is no irony in actually going to Alaska where the problems of climate change are already impacting people and the economy. That you want him to drive a prius or hang glider to get there is a non-sequitur.
Exactly. Even more than that, he is the personification of the Executive Branch for all of us who consider ourselves members of the U.S. -- even those of us who never supported him. In that regard, an old college roommate of our younger daughter now lives in Alaska, and the President went out of his way to say hello to her and, specifically, to her toddler. My daughter's friend recorded it on Facebook, and my wife (who is way to my right politically) and I were quite thrilled to see it.
John
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Well, he certainly represents Americans' profligate use of oil.
I can't wait to get my new Raptor! I'm gonna drive it to Alaska to see
my Inuit bros.
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Phred
Mountain climber
Anchorage
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Fossil Climber (is that Wayne M.?)
The proposal to name the North Peak as Churchill Peak was changed to name both the North and South Peak collectively as the Churchill Peaks. This was done because President Johnson didn't attend Winston Churchill's funeral and didn't want it to appear that he was disrespecting the man.
Have a Merry day!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Healy, thanks for that link, now we know the real purpose of the trip:
"On Tuesday, the president spent the day with Bear Grylls, filming an episode of the British survival expert's programme “Running Wild” in which the pair hiked the melting Exit Glacier."
Boy, that makes a statement, about something.
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Gene
climber
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The mountain doesn't care what it's called.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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>>>>I hope he stays up there renaming peaks instead of inciting people to execute LEO's.
>> Don't worry Judy, you're team is still winning the body count competition.
Hmm, what if there were a Killer Pique? If you climbed it would you be a terrorist? Would someone be incited to killfile Jody? inquisitioning minds want to know
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/killer_mountain/
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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The Republicans were pissed when Jerry Brown was driving around in that Dodge Dart, and now they're pissed Obama doesn't drive a Prius?
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docsavage
Trad climber
Albuquerque, NM
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GOP Rediscovers Its Love for Dead President ...
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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The mountain doesn't care what it's called.
Truer words were never told...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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The mountain has been known as Denali by all Alaskans for decades and the Athabascans for centuries.
The purpose of the head honcho traveler in visiting our beautiful state ? Who knows, but he did have dinner with the wife of the Carlyle Groups CEO at her anchorage estate. Check out the ties this organization has with defense industry, big oil, political funding, then add in big O's green light to Shell and you can start to sketch a picture differing from the official excuse of highlighting global warming. Interestingly potus announced the fast track construction of six new icebreakers the next morning after dinner. Now what would these new assets most benefit and why the hell would you need them in a rapidly warming and supposedly soon to be ice free Arctic Ocean?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The purpose of the head honcho traveler in visiting our beautiful state ? Who knows...?
Well, either you can't read the posts above, you haven't been following along with the relevant news, or you're so obsessed Obama you've blinded yourself. The fact you live in AK and don't know what's going on could easily lead one to believe the latter.
Russia staking claims to vast parts of Arctic
Why Russia's Latest Attempt at a Land Grab Is a Farce
Russia Raises an "Ice Curtain" in the Arctic, Thanks to Climate Change
Trailing Russians, Obama moves to fill icebreaker gap
America's Arctic blunder
Oil, Oligarchs, Climate and Obama’s Arctic-Focused Alaska Trip
Will Russia, China beat U.S. in the Arctic?: Bloomberg View
In the Race for Arctic Energy, the U.S. and Russia Are Polar Opposites
Obama’s Alaska Trip Isn’t Just About Climate Change. It’s Also About Russia.
Cue the foreign affairs freakout over the Arctic
Russian Military Arctic Exercises: Defensive Practice To Protect Drilling Sites
On, and on...
Bottom line? Obama is throwing climate change and environmental protections under the bus as part of the new geopolitical wrangling over Arctic resources. Crikey, you repubs and wingnuts should be standing up and cheering Obama for doing exactly what you want on both fronts. Clueless.
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TripleS_in_EBs
climber
Poulsbo, WA
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This just in.
In Alaska they told the President that the new mountain name is "the great one."
He said, "You named it after me? I humbly accept."
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docsavage
Trad climber
Albuquerque, NM
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Crikey, you repubs and wingnuts should be standing up and cheering Obama for doing exactly what you want on both fronts. Clueless.
healyje - I like the cut of your jib ...
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nah that's not him. The great one is a Canadian.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Cheering over the geopolitical wrangling? I think not, more like biting our tongues for the moment. And if you think that the balance of power requiring this response is the sole reason you are a blind leftist loon. First, this situation has been developing since the 1980's and along with it calls for increased arctic presence for the U.S. With the fall of the USSR the calls faded into inaudibility along with reduction in u.s. forces (closing of Adak and other forward bases). Now what is new? A rush for resources? No that has been happening in slow motion since the 1970's with fishing, minerals and oil. One little difference is that their is a major oil company engaged in development on either side of this ice curtain that is suffering as a result of sanctions and constant attack by enviro's. What avenues and connections would this multi national pursue for relief? Well, one thing for sure is that the Chicago machine in charge of the executives political and financial future knows how to go green. I'd say Valerie is grabbing for green with both hands.
Of course you won't believe your leader capable of anything but the truth, the whole truth, so help me allah, but the rest of us have long ago given up on great land deals in Florida, a reduction of $2500 in our health care premiums in the individual market, and any geopolitics free of corruption from the leftists, or rightists for that matter.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Hey, Repubs- Reagan Airport used to be called Washington Airport, after our first, critically-important president. How come you guys didn't get all in a tizzy (and 'disappointed') when that name was changed?
Oh yeah...because it was your St. Reagan.
Still....it's ok to shove aside the first president of our beloved country so you can stick Reagan's name on it? WTF?
Would you guys be peeing your pants right now if Obama had renamed McKinley as Mt. Reagan?
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Stewart Johnson
climber
lake forest
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McKinley,the dumbest name for a
Mountain since Mount Everest.
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