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quartzmonzonite
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 25, 2015 - 04:52pm PT
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I'm 21 and already have arthritis in the ball of my foot. I've been using arthritis cream and take glucosamine daily but it won't go away, it started about a year ago and only starts to get better if i stick to steeper routes or boulders, but i'm all about slab, and it even hurts bad on longer easy stuff. I switched to stiffer shoes too. Everytime i climb something low angle i have to backstep my left foot or endure extreme pain, I'll take weeks off and the second i get on the rock the pain is back. I know this ussue is common but has anyone found a true fix?
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Cancer Boy
Trad climber
Freedonia
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Aug 25, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
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You may not have arthritis. Gout is a possibility, and is frequently manifest in big toe joints. See a doctor for diagnosis and treatment if you haven't already. Good luck!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 25, 2015 - 05:57pm PT
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At 21 gout is a real probability. Get some blood work done.
At 62 I thought I might have gout from the toe pain. there was a newspaper advertisement for a drug company study and I went for it.
Got about $500 of free lab work only to find out I didn't have gout and later X rays confirmed Osteo in the big toe.
Wish I had gout. Diet changes and a few pills cure that.
I spend a lot more time on the bike than on the rock now.
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quartzmonzonite
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2015 - 06:06pm PT
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I dont think its a gout, there's no swelling.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 25, 2015 - 06:09pm PT
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Gout doesn't necessarily involve swelling.
Have some blood work done for uric acid levels. If it's Arthritis it will show up on an X ray.
Don't waste time guessing. Get a diagnosis.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Aug 25, 2015 - 07:36pm PT
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You can always cut some toes off and go for custom shoes.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 25, 2015 - 08:08pm PT
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Ye'r way to young to have worn anything out (Osteo) and most of the gazillions of types of Arthritis other than that are autoimmune conditions of one sort or another.
So unless you've cratered on that foot and know for certain how you tore it up, a docs office and not the intardnet is the place to find out what's going on.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Aug 25, 2015 - 08:10pm PT
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I'm 40. A couple years ago, during routine blood work, my doc asked if I had gout. "Does that explain the pain in my big toe for the past two years?" Apparently, she noticed a high uric acid content in my numbers.
No swelling. Just pain. I've altered my diet, and so far, it's only intermittent. I cut back on alcohol and soda, and some other changes. Significant effect on the pain in my toe. Easy fix, so far.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
climber
ne'er–do–well
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Aug 25, 2015 - 08:23pm PT
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... my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 25, 2015 - 10:54pm PT
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Wish I had gout. Diet changes and a few pills cure that.
Really? Not quite that simple. Gout is no cakewalk and a little more complex than what you make it.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Aug 25, 2015 - 11:37pm PT
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All the older climbers I know with gout seem to drink a heck of a lot of hard liquor. Is that a coincidence?
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Aug 26, 2015 - 05:09am PT
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You could be developing bunions, you are a bit young for that, but thats what happened to me from wearing too tight climbing shoes on a lot of slab routes.
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Killer K
Boulder climber
Sacramento, CA
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Aug 26, 2015 - 06:03am PT
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Bursitis?
Had pain in my big toe for probably a year.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 26, 2015 - 06:57am PT
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Really? Not quite that simple.
Not simple but potentially a lot less permanent than Osteo
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 26, 2015 - 08:24am PT
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All the older climbers I know with gout seem to drink a heck of a lot of hard liquor.
I gave up hard liquor years ago because of gout.
Not simple but potentially a lot less permanent than Osteo
Not sure how anything can be more or less permanent. As far as I know there is no cure for gout. It can be managed through diet and other means but not cured. If there was a cure, I would be all over it.
Gout is not caused by drinking or bad diet, only exacerbated when having an attack. Many things can cause gout-like symptoms and the intensity and duration of attacks can vary. It can be very debilitating and cause permanent damage to joints.
The kidneys play a delicate balancing act with uric acid levels. The body can produce too much or the kidneys don't eliminate enough or both. Certain foods and alcohol can produce too much uric acid as can injury or stress or even sleep apnea. (low levels of oxygen in the blood cause high uric acid levels)
So it is not completely understood but there is progress being made.
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quartzmonzonite
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2015 - 11:19am PT
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Been reading about gouts, seems like a common symptom is "a nightime attack of swelling, tenderness, redness, and sharp pain..." its never hurt at night, just when im climbing and just got off a climb, there seems to be no swelling or redness, its also been going on for a year without any swelling, also symptoms include: "can last a few days or many weeks..." where this i dont get flare ups, its hurt about the same until i started using arthritis cream which keeps it slightly less painfull. One of you said that im too young for arthritis, but ive been climbing slab constantly for the last 5 years and toe issues can be hereditary, (my mom and grandpa have bad toe pain and arnt climbers. Also a symptom of gout is burning, which i dont have it's just sharp pain and just when i climb
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quartzmonzonite
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2015 - 11:21am PT
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Gouts seem to be more of attacks, where this is consistent pain everytime i climb slab, i can climb up to 5.11 slab with my left foot backstep technique, but this toe is limiting me from progressing
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 29, 2015 - 11:24am PT
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Shoot some of your spray on it.
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quartzmonzonite
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2015 - 11:48am PT
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I haven't tried spray yet, I'll get some
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 29, 2015 - 11:51am PT
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Go see an Ortho and find out what it is.
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 29, 2015 - 12:45pm PT
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I think you have plenty
Seriously though I had the same issue when I was climbing a lot. It was my big toe which was also the site of an operation I had about 20 years previously due to a motorcycle collision.
It started out just aching and hurting which is normal because of the damage to the toe in the accident. Then this lump started growing out of the scar from the operation, about the size of a pea. It started out kind of soft but then eventually hardened into a bone spur.
It hurt like sh#t for a while but I just dealt with it. Then I got injured in an incident unrelated to climbing and could not climb for quite a while. Lo and behold my toe healed and the bone spur actually reduced to the point where you can barely see it. This was within the last 3 years. I have climbed quite a few times after that although it has been several months now, but so far so good.
I think it was from wearing the tight shoes all the time but
I agree with others about going to the doctor if you have the resources.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 29, 2015 - 01:38pm PT
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I doubt that you have gout.
Big toe joints hurt for all kinds of reasons. get it checked.
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Johannsolo
climber
Soul Cal
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Aug 29, 2015 - 02:55pm PT
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Xray will tell if it's arthritic. I just had surgery two months ago for OA of the MTP joint. Slabs and genetics got me.
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quartzmonzonite
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2015 - 03:12pm PT
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Ive heard of you! Word is your the new darrel hansel of so cal. I hope my feet dont meet the same fate...
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 29, 2015 - 03:26pm PT
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if you guys are interested PM me and I will link you to a source for an anti-arthritic herbal liniment that I swear by and have been using for decades. Yates climbing gear sells a version of it but they are not all created equally. This comes from a recipe that can be traced back for generations in Chinese history but for all I know Yates may be buying it from the same source.
everyone i turn on to this stuff is very impressed with its healing capabilities and its ability to reduce pain and swelling. it is also one of the best things I have ever used for sunburn I sh#t you not
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Aug 29, 2015 - 03:29pm PT
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Buy some big wall boot, have Locker put thick ass C4 on them. Your big toe is immobile and happy.
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MikeMc
Social climber
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Aug 29, 2015 - 03:50pm PT
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Just get the nerves in your foot removed. Worked wonders for my foot pain, I can smash my big toe with a hammer now and not feel it; kinda like my penis...
Do they make a spray for that?
Or...go to a doctor dummy.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Aug 29, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
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It's the idiot guy thing where (many) men will do anything but the obvious thing: go to the damned doctor.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Aug 29, 2015 - 08:26pm PT
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Have you tried changing rock shoes? A pair of TC Pros may go a long ways towards comfort and taking care of your feet.
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quartzmonzonite
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2015 - 08:58pm PT
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I started wearing tc pros shortly after the pain started
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Aug 29, 2015 - 10:08pm PT
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Have you looked up hammer toe?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:30am PT
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See a doctor, get a diagnosis and then bitch to your hearts delight.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:39am PT
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After having climbed for as long as many here my toes are what are wearing out. Then my ankles, then the left knee. Argh! - Age - the specter of no more climbing hits at every age..
Seems like you should switch to stiff boots,
Kayland ? makes a pair for walls I think?
(And stop bouldering completely if you have not already)
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 30, 2015 - 07:48am PT
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He's only 21, he doesn't have a chronic extended overuse problem, he has an acute issue that needs to be looked at.
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Stewart Johnson
climber
lake forest
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Aug 30, 2015 - 08:10am PT
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Try Accupuncture before seeing a
doctor.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Aug 30, 2015 - 08:46am PT
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You can do acupuncture at home, bigger needle the better. If that doesn't work try to get some dried rhino hoof pad and make a paste out of it and rub it all over your toe and inside your climbing shoes. If neither of those work then I can get you 2 magnets and a yellow Quartz crustal to tape to your toe while you're sleeping. And if all else fails for the love of God get yourself a vision board!!!!
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overwatch
climber
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Aug 30, 2015 - 10:15am PT
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You guys that PMed me, replies sent. Let me know if you don't get them.
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