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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 28, 2015 - 07:55pm PT
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hey there say... i don't have all the tech stuff advice, for the long haul, etc...
but--i will say this:
NEVER NEVER go out, unless you let folks know your agenda and all that etc and then--don't change course... and--
also--always have emergency aid box, etc... and an emergency
plan for IF an accident should occur...
DON'T hike alone... (sorry, that is the mommy in me, and--having heard too many stories of folks ending up lost, and NOT found, or, found injured TOO LATE, as there was no one to go back for help)...
edit: sadly, i just recently heard-tell, that a young man, in colorado,
is missing... from a trail run... :(
okay, next, step right up:
more tips to come?
:)
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Jul 28, 2015 - 07:58pm PT
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Don't overpack . Take only what is absolutely necessary, then trim that amount. Other than that make sure your planning is precise, know exactly where you are going and for how long.
If you are going with others make sure everybody is in the loop as regards the terrain, the destinations, and the overall plan.
If solo make sure someone at home knows the where ,when ,and how of your entire trip. Call them at the conclusion of your backpack. Tell them when you'll be home.
Take a roll of ace bandages and some NSAIDs.
When in bear country take the necessary precautions.
Have a good time.
If you are staging your disappearance or suicide then reverse all of the above.
If it is to be suicide then take Reilly's advice below.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 28, 2015 - 07:59pm PT
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One werd: schnapps. But be forewarned, it could lead to yodeling.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Jul 28, 2015 - 08:24pm PT
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Powdered horchata from the Mexican grocery is good on your granola. I put 1-1/2 cup of granola and two tablespoons of horchata powder in a ziploc. In the morning you put some water in, shake it up and you have breakfast. One ziploc for each day.
Nestle's leche polvo from the Mexican grocery is way better (it's full cream!) than any other powered milk. Put it in your coffee or stir it into a cup of cold water for a glass of cold milk.
Middle eastern flat bread from Trader Joe's is better than any other bread or tortillas that I know of.
Steal some mayo, mustard and relish packets from the truck stop on your way to the mountains. With cheese, salami and TJ's bread (above) you have a fine sandwich.
Don't filter your water but get your water from the best source you can find. Choose a side stream rather than the main stream. People and cows are the hazard. I haven't filtered water in 15 year and have never had a problem but I am careful. IMPO people get sick more often from poor hygiene.
Freeze dried food generally isn't very good. It is also lacking it fats. Bring olive oil or butter to make it richer and better.
The less cooking, the better. I mainly use a stove to support my coffee addiction.
At my age, a chair is worth the pound or two. Either one that uses your sleeping pad like the Crazy Creek or if you can afford it the Alite Mantis which is awesome.
A tarp is a better option than a tent unless you are in a winter storm or the mosquitoes are bad. In good weather I use it as a ground sheet. In bad weather it is my shelter. If you can find a hexagonal tarp, it is easier to rig.
They say you need 1.5 to 2.0 lbs of dry food per day but I cannot eat that much. For a one week trip, I generally eat about 1 lb per day.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Jul 28, 2015 - 08:25pm PT
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The morale of the story, let's avoid situations like that.
Uh-oh.
Definitely go for the schnapps. Maybe peach schnapps.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 28, 2015 - 08:34pm PT
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Do not be THAT INTERNET JERK.
Oh this thread is going places:
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 28, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
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People always bring way too much shite. If you think you need something, you don't. If you KNOW you need something, you do.
A few tips:
Freeze dried food pretty much sucks. I think you burn more calories digesting it then you get from eating it.
No toilet paper....there are a plethora of asswipe substitutes in the natural world.
Leave your f*#king I phone home.....not being connected can be a blessing.
If you take a photo of yourself and post it on Facebook and call it a SELFIE I'll personally find out where you live and kill you.
Have fun!
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Jul 28, 2015 - 08:51pm PT
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about 20% of my climbing trips become backpacking trips
about 7% of my backpacking trips become climbing trips
tip 1: leave hiking boots behind. running shoes ("approach" shoes, if you must) will suffice.
tip 2: bring a camera, and have it immediately available (i.e. not in the top lid of your backpack, but something you can actually whip out and shoot within 10 seconds)
tip 3: complete understanding of where you can reliably get waster. don't carry too much water between sources. You should show up to the source damn-near dry.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 28, 2015 - 08:53pm PT
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So coming to SuperTopo for backpacking beta is like going to mormon,org for family planning.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
Shitalkqua, WA
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
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Only serious responders only.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:27pm PT
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The entire forum is distracted by a beautiful lion named Cecil and a f*#ktard that is trying to shut this place down.
Of course we have advice.
YER GONNA DIE!!!!
slackers
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:29pm PT
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i thought supertopo was a really weird place, then a couple days ago I found one much more depraved and weird. You trolls would have a good time there. Seriously.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:36pm PT
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If you start out as a climber and have a few unplanned bivies, it will reorient your sense of what you need and what you don't.
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Jul 28, 2015 - 09:54pm PT
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If you start out as a climber and have a few unplanned bivies, it will reorient your sense of what you need and what you don't.
LOL, so true! A few nights sleeping where I did not plan to sleep brought home the nature of true necessities and cut my pack weight while increasing my options.
Go out a few times on short, overnight adventures. Follow neebee's advice. Actually, all the advice has been pretty good, and some hilariously great. Keep your sense of humor. :)
If you are doing elevation or in an area of climbing activity, be aware of the possibility of climbers and/or of you needing to climb. If you are interested in the geology, bring your rock hammer and some sample bags, of course.
Your general physical condition will guide you in the amount of weight you can carry. Body Mass Index is more significant than weight. There is a lot of info on hiking with a pack on the internet, too, so don't overlook that resource.
Have fun, stay safe, and good luck.
feralfae
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jul 28, 2015 - 10:07pm PT
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3 words: Da Brim Pro.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jul 28, 2015 - 10:55pm PT
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What they ^^^^ said. Realistically, you're going to have to determine your own ideal pack weight, based on what kind of crap you want to bring along. Plenty of good advice here, except maybe the schnapps. I hear they're making dehydrated beer now, might want to try that. Dehydrated water too. Just add beer.
Try a few short trips, say one or two days, and see what comes in useful and what ends up being crap. Find the lightest weight/best quality gear you can afford, since the lighter it is, the more consumables you can carry. Don't wipe your ass with poison ivy, poison oak, or stinging nettle. Maybe not with anything bearing thorns.
Don't break in a new pair of shoes on a hike.
Take lots of selfies. Send them to Donini.
Personally, I like the freeze dried foods when there's ample water along the trail. If not, I go with classic MRE's so I don't have to add water; but there's better food than that out there these days.
And if you happen to run across Elena, snap a picture and post it up. Near as I can tell, she's just a myth... like bigfoot.
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granite_girl
Trad climber
Oakland
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Jul 29, 2015 - 12:44am PT
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A change of underwear, a few Cliff Bars, and a space blanket. You're good to go! Don't forget the camera.
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ECF
Big Wall climber
Colona, CO
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Jul 29, 2015 - 03:15am PT
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I did four nights in January in the mountains of Colorado with only three lighters and a snickers bar.
You don't really need anything except the will to stay alive.
Lighters really help in winter...
If I'm not climbing something, the pack can not weigh more than 10 pounds per night out. Most of that is good cheese and great coffee...
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jul 29, 2015 - 06:59am PT
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Deuter packs
jet boil stoves
Leki poles
Don't use a tent, use a tarp
6x6 ft piece of mosquito netting - NO deet
long sleeve shirts and pants made from microfiber, Columbia is the best.
35 degree bag and layer up with expensive poly long johns on colder trips
I could write a book. Maybe will some day.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jul 29, 2015 - 07:11am PT
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Well, around here bring and use the DEET... New England is ground zero for ticks this year.
Unless Lyme is your thing.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 29, 2015 - 08:12am PT
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wrinkle cream and a good hat, possibly Da Brim cuz yer gonna need it.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Jul 29, 2015 - 08:49am PT
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Just watch that Reese Witherspoon movie. All the beta and then some. Once you are a herion junky you are ready to hit the trail.
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DonC
climber
CA
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Jul 29, 2015 - 08:50am PT
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I enjoy backpacking. Since I'm not a big wall camper, nor an expedition climber, it is the one activity that allows me to get out self sustained for weeks at a time - very different than a car camping road trip.
Your equipment needs depend on your experience, location (desert vs arctic and everything in between), and season (weather), and how long you will be out. I'm not sure how people are making specific gear advice without know these. The only thing we can imply is your experience - minimal. The more experience you have the closer you can cut it.
Several years ago, during the summer of my 60th birthday, I did a solo hike of the John Muir Trail and left Yosemite with a 21 lb pack. Not particularly light by todays standard but I need a few comforts given back surgery in my past, and I was by myself so not sharing a few things.
If you want to go light, most of the packs, tents, stoves, and sleeping bags you can get at REI/EMS or from the well know manufactures are to heavy. You will need to look at cottage industry companies. See backpackinglight.com for lots of info from some very experienced hikers that have done the PCT, CDT, Appalachian Trail, sometimes all three, and many others.
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Jul 29, 2015 - 09:46am PT
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donini is right on the mark. You will always take too much stuff. You don't need an extra set of camp shoes, you don't need a "backpacking" camp chair to recline in, etc. etc.
Invest in a good food dehydrator and experiment with it. Dehydrating is not the same as freeze drying. You can make some yummy healthy satisfying soups/stews, dry them, and then run them through a coffee grinder before you package them up for your trip. Becoming adept at using a tarp instead of a tent will save you much weight. Painkillers, booze, weed, & chocolate are good moral boosters and/or good for inducing numbness when you realize you did take too much sh#t, your body hurts, too many damn bugs, etc. Good Luck, have fun...
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c wilmot
climber
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Jul 29, 2015 - 10:50am PT
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A decent pillow helps for me- I like the Nemo phillo- though its a little heavy. most people are going ultralight these days- and there is several cottege companies to look at. for materials- Thru-hiker.com. for goods, Zpacks.com, mountainlaureldesigns.com,owareusa.com, lightheartgear.com, Enlightenedequipment(quilts), titanium goat etc.for resources there is backpackinglight.com. Often if you write them and ask- you can get 2nds for discount. You can save money making your own gear with materials off thru hiker, or Zpacks or many other sites. A tarp is very simple to make if you have a sewing machine. Ditto a synthetic top quilt. Skip the bear canister unless required.I like the ease of Ursacks- just tie it to a tree and let be. For cooking a cheap aluminum pot at a thrift store works great. Most people now use alchol stoves but I found them finicky- a better bet is a jetboil(MSR versions are more windproof), or pocket rocket set up. And dont forget some whiskey- or your headlamp
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Jul 29, 2015 - 11:03pm PT
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Fresh garlic and a can of chicken with your ramen is a friggen feast. Skip Breakfast, but snack all day. Sardines and raisins are good, but skipped on many lists. Plan to haul your water a little ways- camp up high amongst the rocks or on a summit away from water to avoid bugs, bears and annoying people who want to camp right next to you; it's not as cold and the view is much better. Avoid places with exotic names; better yet - go to places without names.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jul 29, 2015 - 11:15pm PT
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Hi Suprema!!
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jul 30, 2015 - 05:41am PT
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You want to hang your food in a tree each night. Search it online and I'm sure you will find pictures/directions on how to do it. You can also get bear canisters or these ursacks that would be varment resistent.
30#'s for 2 nights, and no climbing gear? You are carrying too much stuff with you. I typically run 30 to 34 pounds for 5-6 days with 2 pounds of food per day and ice axe/crampons (no climbing gear).
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Carson City, NV
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Jul 30, 2015 - 07:54am PT
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ROFLMAO.
Why would ANYONE look for backpacking advice on a climbers forum??????
Makes sense to me. (Eyeroll)
Can you say trolling for a troll?
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