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pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 17, 2015 - 12:25pm PT



Sincere condolences to the families and friends of the young lives he destroyed.

pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2015 - 02:35pm PT
The video you post shows a suspect ignoring a direct order from a police officer.
The suspect(s) may have just committed homicide(s) and officers were clear as to what they needed to do. One of the suspects ignored them and was shot.
I doubt they were stopped for jaywalking. Why not print the facts behind the video dave kos?

Either way, to compare this video to a cowardly jihadist shooting and killing unarmed marines that posed no threat whatsoever is moronic at best.

edit: Thanks for removing your post above dave. It was a disgrace.




John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jul 17, 2015 - 02:42pm PT
Indeed. But idealogues continue to chant the crap they are taught to spew regardless of the facts.

It's been instructive, watching the PC Police, fall all over themselves today, wondering how a nice American boy named Muhammed, could go wrong.

I'm sick of it. My sincerest condolences to all affected.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 17, 2015 - 03:56pm PT
For the PC police.

from the "religion of peas" practice in Statten Island NY today.

(might have been "just paintball guns")



Alpamayo

Trad climber
Davis, CA
Jul 17, 2015 - 04:14pm PT
There is no religion of peace. Not yours, not theirs.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 17, 2015 - 04:18pm PT
All religion should be banned.

It's what the forefathers intended.
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jul 17, 2015 - 04:22pm PT
And while we're at it lets ban atheism. Hitler Stalin Mao Pol Pot..... the list goes on and on



2500 civilians killed by Obama's drones. Now that is cowardly... and criminal.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 17, 2015 - 04:40pm PT
All religion should be banned.

It's what the forefathers intended.

Now there's as ignorant of history a statement as I think I've ever heard!

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 17, 2015 - 04:49pm PT
They meant freedom of religion (any religion) and freedom FROM religion if you so choose....which I do.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jul 17, 2015 - 04:53pm PT
The fact is, American Military, has been executed by foreigners on American soil. There needs to be consequences. I trust our President, to figure out what they are.

In the meanwhile, we need to have peas to bury our dead.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 17, 2015 - 04:55pm PT
you know what takes cajones?

sitting in an air conditioned room somewhere in nevada while playing a joystick controlled video game involving an armed flying robot and wedding convoys in another country:


oh but of course... my bad... the wedding convoy made the decision to follow the same roads that the cia tells us are used by "al qeada" (tm)...

f*#king afterlife seeking civilians throwing themselves under our bombs to make us look bad...



religion, standing armies and remote controlled warfare... those are some potent f*#king drugs to be mixing and experimenting with...

welcome to the 21st century bitches!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 17, 2015 - 05:06pm PT
for a bit of historical perspective,

The original argument for the religion clause in the Constitution was that each state at the time HAD an official religion and didn't want federal interference.

Still the interpretation that you can have no religion imposed on you by the government is valid, reasonable and desirable. As is the concept that if you have religious tenets, government should not interfere.

There are reasonable limits.

If a church were teaching this in Sunday school, maybe someone should object.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 17, 2015 - 05:06pm PT
I posit that the world would be a much better place if EVERY country allowed their citizens to worship as they pleased or NOT worship if they so chose.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 17, 2015 - 05:43pm PT
I wonder if Obama will call this an act of Terror for once
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 17, 2015 - 06:22pm PT
Worked at a nuke plant?

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/northeast-ohio/2015/07/16/chattanooga-shooting-suspect-possible-ne-ohio-ties/30276537/
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jul 17, 2015 - 06:48pm PT
http://m.democracynow.org/headlines/2015/7/17/42149

Coincidentally I just came across this re drones and blow back. Top military official criticizes there use.
MisterE

Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
Jul 17, 2015 - 06:50pm PT
It's easy to be angry

It's hard to find peace
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 17, 2015 - 07:07pm PT
There are a lot more reasons that BHO's policies have failed on top of the drone zaps, but it never fails to bewilderment the prog propensity to invert cause and effect.

jihadis attack the WTC and kill thousands of Americans.

Some jihadis are captured and incarcerated at Gitmo.

Jihadis hate us and attack us because of Gitmo?

??????????????????????

you want to know the motivations?

Just read the motivating document.

http://www.noblequran.com/translation/

Nothing noble about it
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 17, 2015 - 07:23pm PT
Crankcase can't read.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 17, 2015 - 07:57pm PT
"....BHO's policies have failed on top of the drone zaps"



SHOULDA NUKED THE MOTHERF*#KERS YEARS AGO!!!!!!

WHERE IS OUR BIG STICK???????
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 17, 2015 - 08:20pm PT
Locker....Thanks...I always wondered what a crankloon looked like...rj
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 17, 2015 - 08:29pm PT
Bullcrap! When I was 22 I was stopped mistakenly as a suspect in a felony.

Whitey huh? I had a cop pull a gun on me too (Laguna Beach no less). Sure glad I'm white.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jul 17, 2015 - 09:03pm PT
I enjoyed a Facebook post today that called for a mandatory High School course on everything that you really need to know in life, but your parents don't teach you.

It included: How to balance a checkbook, change a tire, clean a clogged toilet, etc.

My students would also have instructions on birth-control & safe-sex.

I now realize another important part of that mandatory course needs to be, how to survive an encounter with the police.

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 17, 2015 - 11:50pm PT
Yaaaargle-baaaaaaaaaargle!


All I want is a head or two on a pike in the square (as does isis)
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Jul 18, 2015 - 01:33pm PT
There is a big difference between what is civil authority and what is military enforcement. The lines are now blurred due to returning veterans wanting LEO jobs and so much high value army surplus available to wanna be super heros marking time writing traffic tickets.

I'm sure that somewhere out there is a website where US citizens engage in passionate debate about goings on in canada, but I've never seen it.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 18, 2015 - 03:59pm PT
http://sofrep.com/42236/chattanooga-and-the-reality-of-open-source-warfare/
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 18, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
You have to love it Crankster.....16 clowns falling all over themselves for the dunce cap. Can someone find another 15....they all deserve one.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 18, 2015 - 05:39pm PT
According to Crankcase,



This murderer is representative of all white people, and white people should feel responsible for his actions, because we all secretly want to murder black people.


This murderer’s motive were unclear, but they are certain he is not representative whatsoever of Islam, and anyone thinking otherwise is Islamophobic, and should be ashamed of themselves for thinking so.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 19, 2015 - 03:31pm PT
http://www.facebook.com/jeremy.l.knauff/posts/10153027425288946?pnref=story

jonnyrig

climber
Jul 20, 2015 - 08:29am PT
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2015/07/chattanooga_shooter_was_plague.html

Who else managed to read this article and take from it that his drug/alcohol problems and mental health were far more contributory than his faith?
Again, another person who should have been prohibited from owning firearms, by the way. Right up there with the Charleston shooter.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jul 20, 2015 - 08:40am PT
How cool Locker. You live right next to Grace Slick!
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 20, 2015 - 11:34am PT
Wouldn't it be more accurate to simply arrest those that participate in jihadists websites? Or perhaps we arrest the doctors issuing mind drugs and their patients, stomping all over doctor/patient privacies?

You mentioned below that statement the church shooter, which in this regard it would have been more accurate to simply arrest those who participate in white supremacist websites. Where do you draw the line? Which freedoms do we protect, and which do we truncate in the name of public safety?

Oh hey, look what California's trying to do:

http://time.com/3450797/california-gun-violence-restraining-order-law/

Yeah, I know it's an old article.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 20, 2015 - 11:39am PT
Yep. Last week, someone on this forum said it wouldn't be safe for President Obama to travel to Nevada.

Should he be arrested?
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jul 20, 2015 - 12:16pm PT
"Are ANY people who "sign up" with Ron's Moron Militia mentally STABLE???"

We know the answer to that question is no. Yet they still have the right to vote and own firearms.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 20, 2015 - 12:25pm PT
Rdog.....are ANY who sign up for Right Wing Militias mentally stable?

The answer.....possibly a very few but certainly not many.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jul 21, 2015 - 09:58am PT
TGT.... +1
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jul 21, 2015 - 11:38am PT
"Again, another person who should have been prohibited from owning firearms, by the way. Right up there with the Charleston shooter. "


same old, same old; mental illness and guns a lethal mix.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 21, 2015 - 11:48am PT
TGT....that is really inane. 150,000,000 people are named Mohammad making it, by far, the most popular name in the world.
Should the names Charlie and Ted trigger alerts because of Manson and Bundy?
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jul 21, 2015 - 05:03pm PT
Hey where'd the Wendell "appreciation" thread go? That and this were companion reading .
There is some thinking that if your father contributes to Hammas, the son was looking for the lost approval of his father, and has received such approval in his death for the Islamic cause.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 21, 2015 - 06:12pm PT
What if Adolph was the most popular name in the world?

Just because it's popular doesn't make the namesake any more praiseworthy.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 21, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
I actually like the name. Rolls off the tongue well. Maybe I'll name my son Mohammad?

#TakeBackMohammad
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 21, 2015 - 06:42pm PT
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 21, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
No....the most popular name In the world by a LONG shot. Reading comprehension called for here....I'm not lauding the name. I am saying that TGT's idea of having alerts at airports et al for the name Mohammed is beyond absurd.
By the way Ron, not all of the Muslim world is in the third world. You guys should travel more instead of getting your intelligence from right wing websites and Fox News.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 21, 2015 - 07:28pm PT
http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/big-list-of-muslim-terror-attacks-in-u-s-since-911/
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 21, 2015 - 07:52pm PT
Roy Clyde...? any relation to Norman...?
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Jul 21, 2015 - 07:56pm PT
Oaf creepers unite!

Mohammed's the new
Jose.

Pertect are borders.

'merica!
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Jul 21, 2015 - 09:55pm PT
http://m.kirotv.com/news/news/national/florida-gun-store-declares-were-muslim-free-zone/nm37D/

'merica!
dirtbag

climber
Jul 21, 2015 - 10:23pm PT
Yep crankster, right wing kooks have been a much bigger problem for decades before 9/11.

But nope, we are supposed to fear brown people more.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 22, 2015 - 06:27am PT
In almost a decade-and-a-half, 48 Americans have died in the US in 19 attacks by white supremacists, so-called “sovereign citizens” and other non-Muslim extremists, while 31 have died in eight jihadist attacks on US soil during that same time period, research center New America found as it compiled a new database on deadly attacks in the US since 9/11.

31 deaths from Muslims (0.9% of US population)

48 deaths from non-Muslims (99.1% of US population)



dirtbag

climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 06:50am PT
The militias can all go drink dog piss. Stoopid rednecks.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 22, 2015 - 06:58am PT
Rdog....no question that the Middle East is a problematic area. Obama has done a brilliant job considering the complicated situation and the hard choices involved.
Won't you close ranks with forward thinking people and help ensure that Hillary is elected to continue where Barak left off.
You're obviously a patriot who cares deeply about your country. Only progressive policies will keep America in its preeminent posistion in the world. The Christian version of Sharia Law and the disregard of science so evident with many republican legislators will doom us to second class status....surely you are aware of that.
So Rdog....I emplore you, forget your heart but follow your brain and vote progressive!
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 22, 2015 - 07:01am PT
the disregard of science so evident with many republican legislators will doom us

+1, this is a common denominator between ISIS/Boko Haram and the field of republican hopefuls
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 07:05am PT
"You're lower than dogshit on a bootheel, so I don't expect much else from ignurnt fuktard like you, but using dead servicemen as a political pinata is beyond the pale. F*#K YOU SH#TBAG."

Yea. What he said....

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 22, 2015 - 07:14am PT
After being shamed into it, Obama finally lowered the flags of the whitehouse to half mast for the dead Marines. Isnt that generous

Que?

You do realize that American servicemen and women have been killed in actual war, on an almost daily basis, for the last 12+ years? Should we just permanently run the flag at half? Do you understand that twice as many have been killed in the middle east (Iraq/Afghanistan) this year as were killed in TN?

And yet your selective outrage makes no mention of honoring the ones in an actual combat theatre. You're lower than dogshit on a bootheel, so I don't expect much else from ignurnt fuktard like you, but using dead servicemen as a political pinata is beyond the pale. F*#K YOU SH#TBAG.

^Sleazy post of the month.^

Edit: It seems this post, made by Elcapinyoazz, has been deleted.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 22, 2015 - 07:48am PT
Only progressive policies will keep America in its preeminent posistion in the world.

That's a completely baseless and dogmatic assertion. By way of retort I ask you,

"When will your 'progressives' grow some cojones, demonstrate some integrity, and stand
up to the Military/Industrial/Congressional Complex? Until they do nothing will change.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jul 22, 2015 - 08:28am PT
Won't you close ranks with forward thinking people and help ensure that Hillary is elected to continue where Barak left off.


No way in heck...... you must surely be joking, I thought you were much smarter than that. LOL



dirtbag

climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 08:46am PT
Well, YES. emphatically, I do think that. Their names should be detailed on the evening news, on every news channel. There should be a news paper section, front page above the fold, that also lists them. I'd be ok with listing them public service billboards.


Agree 100000000%.

dirtbag

climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 08:47am PT



Rdog

climber
the poster formerly known as Ron Anderson

Jul 22, 2015 - 06:54am PT
FOr the most, those happen to be ex US military people Dbag - and I see that you have zero respect for those ex soldiers. And I sure as hell hope you go personally voice that opinion to them- and by all means, give us a TR if you can.


I thank them for their prior service.

But now, they can all drink dog piss.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jul 22, 2015 - 09:49am PT
*
A bit of pot kettle ..

Their names should be detailed on the evening news, on every news channel. There should be a news paper section, front page above the fold, that also lists them. I'd be ok with listing them public service billboards.

I totally agree....Those actions helped change the American peoples view of the Vietnam war...
I also think ( if the families agree) that pictures of flag draped caskets should be on the evening news and front page of the computer news feed and news papers.

RIP....Sincere condolences to the families and friends of the servicemen.



thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 22, 2015 - 09:51am PT

"When will your _ __ grow some cojones, demonstrate some integrity, and stand
up to the Military/Industrial/Congressional Complex?

Can you fill in the blank with anyone that you think will/does actually do so?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 22, 2015 - 09:56am PT
Probably not, sadly. But I take 'progressives' to task because I find them more hypocritical
on this. They're more afraid of losing their jobs than they're concerned with doing what's right.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 22, 2015 - 09:58am PT
[whine]

As for a few others here, they are merely pimple pricked inane shyt slingers and dopers. I certainly don't expect any level of class nor maturity from them as so eloquently demonstrated in this very thread. And YES I sunk to that level of communication as its obvious that is what those types understand and or relate to.


[/whine]
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jul 22, 2015 - 10:25am PT
DMT. Agree

El Cap.... You having a bad day????? Lots of fowl mouth spew today..... Not to becoming
jmacrosoft

Sport climber
Atlanta, GA
Jul 22, 2015 - 11:13am PT
As a Marine (former active duty for 9 years) this news was sickening. One of those war dogs, GySgt Sullivan, survived that attack on Abu Ghraib only to be killed by a coward CONUS. Rest well Marines and Salor. Semper Fi. Until Valhalla.
The guy above

climber
Across the pond
Jul 22, 2015 - 11:39am PT
As a Marine (former active duty for 9 years) this news was sickening. One of those war dogs, GySgt Sullivan, survived that attack on Abu Ghraib only to be killed by a coward CONUS. Rest well Marines and Salor. Semper Fi. Until Valhalla.


Live by the sword...
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/as-investigators-probe-motive-in-chattanooga-rampage-a-portrait-of-the-shooter-emerges/2015/07/17/4b2ff26a-2c97-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html

Well shucks. Looks like he might not have simply been a troubled individual after all, and may have been inspired by radical religion. I still get to poke fun at the association between Walmart and Jade Helm, along with pointing out that the Charleston shooter killed more people.

However...

The more we learn, the better prepared we are to deal with attacks like this, and prevent them from happening. Just as we can't preempt violent attacks by eliminating all firearms in this country, we also can't profile every person named Mohammad, or every person of Islamic faith. All of it has the net effect of making us less free, in a supposedly free country.
Our constitutional right to freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to bear arms all need to be upheld lest we fall victim to our own fear and desire for public protections. If we are to remain a free people, we need to accept a certain amount of risk that comes with letting people choose these things for themselves, AND then find alternative ways to combat the possible ill-effects of their wide-spread existence.
The other choice is MORE law enforcement to protect our sorry asses... which, as you can probably guess from the widespread panic concerning things like Jade Helm, and the public scrutiny of our current law enforcement officers... would probably not go well.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 01:25pm PT
Is jade helm over yet?

Can I come out now?
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jul 22, 2015 - 03:59pm PT
Just as the endless prattling about Benghazi, announces a retard of the Right, continuing to maintain Jihad in America is an isolated incident, brands a retard of the Left.

Johnny Cochran said it best, discrediting the entire Detectives testimony. Someone spits in a glass, you don't try to filter it, you throw it all out.

Similarly, posters here.

We've got problems in the Heartland. Denying them, won't solve them.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 04:30pm PT
I'm sorry, are you referring to me?

Look, I'm not denying any sort of jihadist problem here in the homeland, homey. I'm simply following the news as it's reported. Now, initially, the stories seemed to indicate that maybe his troubled home life were more apt to be cause for his progression into murder, and I'd guess that they still played an active role in what has occurred. At that time, those articles stated no connection to radical religion was indicated.
Now, though, we're getting more confirmation that there is a likely connection to these sort of radical jihadist entities, so y'all get to crow and croon on about how you were right from the get-go. Yay! Go team!

The part that's irksome, is where you go pointing fingers and (as is often the case) generalizing about how the libtards are pretending there's no problem blah blah blah.

Fact is, I find it truly amazing that many folks who participate in these forums can manage more than a few basic grunts when their political stances are so far askew as to denounce everyone not towing their "party line" political agenda, and therefore certainly trying to bring down the country into some sort of communist dictatorial Christian gun-toting redneck gay sierra club meeting free-for-all.

You're going to have to be willing to do more than point your finger at the muslims and yell "THAT guy!" I mean, unless we get to do that with the neo-nazi crowd too, cause that white guy a few weeks ago killed almost twice as many people, ya? And you're not associating that with some kind of terrorism, are ya? And he was clearly influenced by outside ideals that were not initially his own.

There are more factors in play than just "he was a Muslim!"
You best figure out how those ideals came into play for him, and why he may have been susceptible to their influence, else you'll just be playing whack-a-mole after the fact with any number of future attacks, like this, that are a very real possibility.

People don't like to acknowledge it; but we are very, very vulnerable to attacks like this one, and the more often they start occurring, the more likely the bad guys are going to notice that they work, and attempt to recruit more people susceptible to their influence in order to carry out exactly this kind of event. The islamic radicals will probably recruit people of islamic faith, like this guy. Other groups will recruit other susceptible individuals who's lives are currently a steaming pile of sh#t. It works for them. They do it all the time on foreign soil. Seems like every day, some human bomb takes out a crowd in some foreign location.

Up 'til now, we've fortunately avoided most foreign-based terror attacks; as they've most often wanted high-profile, large-scale targets, like the twin towers. Tell you what though... you let this small-scale style attack start getting under our skin, you let them change the way we live and how we value our freedoms and defend them, you let them alter our freedoms by way of fear, and you might as well just hand the country over. We need to be more intelligent than that.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 07:08pm PT
Dude, i even linked one of the articles i read from, and the same earlier when no ties to islamic terror were yet implicated. Did you bother to clicky?

And geez, a typical example of islamic terrorism? Funny- i would have thought it more typical to use a suicide bomber. Whatya thinks gona happen when they start cropping up in this country?

Yer boy used guns. He had mental issues. He had alcohol issues. He had family issues. Maybe all that makes people easy targets for radicalism. Soo many failed opportunities to avoid this. But you can keep waiving that muslim flag like its the ONLY contributor to this thing if it makes ya feel better.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Jul 22, 2015 - 07:47pm PT
A crazy muslim shot up and killed American troops in Chattanooga, TN, USA.

I don't see a connection with other world events.

Maybe his father spanked him when he was young. If not that, I bet he was bullied! That is reason enough.

jonnyrig

climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 07:55pm PT
Cool. Lets ban muslims. Any other freedoms you wanta go after? I mean, the libs have been on the gun ban thing for years.
Bonus! Clear us of all those guns, and you wont have to worry about this crap again. Now, you,re going to have to search every home in the country, but you can make it a two-fer!
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Jul 22, 2015 - 08:00pm PT
A crazy muslim shot up and killed American troops in Chattanooga, TN, USA.

I don't see a connection with other world events.

Maybe his father spanked him when he was young. If not that, I bet he was bullied! That is reason enough.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
Cool. Lets ban muslims. Any other freedoms you wanta go after? I mean, the libs have been on the gun ban thing for years. Bonus! Clear us of all those guns, and you wont have to worry about this crap again. Now, you,re going to have to search every home in the country, but you can make it a two-fer!

Oh wait- i misinterpretted. You,re saying him being muslim is a coincidence? You mean, like what the govt says? Nah... Couldnt be!
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Jul 22, 2015 - 08:14pm PT
If you want to play this game, please use facts not speculation. Maybe you are intelligent enough to grasp the facts and associated sarcasm below.

Please tell me where I am wrong?

A crazy muslim shot up and killed American troops in Chattanooga, TN, USA. (true)

I don't see a connection with other world events. (sarcasm)

Maybe his father spanked him when he was young. If not that, I bet he was bullied! That is reason enough. (sarcasm as well)
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 22, 2015 - 08:24pm PT
People of Muslim faith don't bother me, it's the people telling me to worry about them that I'm worried about.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Jul 22, 2015 - 08:38pm PT
Johnboy,

Interesting philosophy/life choice.

When I have rednecks all named %$#@* lighting gas wells on fire for 35 plus years I take note on who does it.

For some reason, patterns tend to make my brain click. That has been useful in my life. And I hate bad guys getting away.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 08:38pm PT
Its not a game. People died. The motives and the mamer in which the shooter became susceptible to them go beyond the overly simplistic explanation that "he was a crazy muslim". As long as we continue to take that simplistic approach, we will willingly sacrifice our rights for a false sense of security while continuing to be at risk. And thats not a game either.
MisterE

Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
Jul 22, 2015 - 08:49pm PT
Anger is the easiest and least balanced perspective.
Reaction is the base of that response.

Choosing to ignore the heralders of confusion, animosity and judgment is the hard path.

Carry on, but pud: I thought you were above this.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Jul 22, 2015 - 09:03pm PT
I understand, people have problems.

So, if a serial killer gets busted, he obviously has some issues (just speculation from me/sarcasm) Call him insane or whatever. i don't care what he is, except that he killed innocent soldiers.

Then look at the facts... not saying we have the precise answers, but prove me wrong.

Why Ignore the fact that it could be related to his religion?

I know bad Christians/Muslims/Hindus, it happens. Very disproportionate comparing the recent killings. Simply a fact.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 09:20pm PT
Im not ignoring his faith. News currently links that as a factor.
My thought is that people often turn to faith when their lives are in turmoil, and they become susceptible to guidance from that direction. Im saying that we, as a country, should learn to recognize contributing factors that can influence people toward radicalization in addition to where such guidance originates.
In this case, its muslim radicalism. A few weeks back, it was white supremacy.

People want to dismiss these acts as being either isolated events by a crazed lunatic, or grand terrorist schemes plotted out in a foreign country. The truth lies in between, and the answers are not as simple as either nuke-em-all, nor fuhgedaboudit. There is a delicate balance between maintaing our freedoms as a society, and protecting ourselves from both foreign and domestic attack. We must tread carefully in order to prtect our freedom, but deliberately to prevent attack.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 22, 2015 - 10:35pm PT
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm

http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/big-list-of-muslim-terror-attacks-in-u-s-since-911/

Can you link me a list of those 20 plus attacks on our military here in the US by muslims please? I'm just not seeing it in the big lists I've linked you to above. I kinda would think those guys would be on it. Maybe I can't count.

Otherwise, I agree the the borders need to be secured. I have personally known illegal aliens who view our border security as a joke. Mind you, they were here looking for a better life for them and their families, and actually (gasp) paying their taxes (don't ask me how that works, but that's what was going down, supposedly), and they had tried the legal methods of entry with no success. They're gone now, I suppose.

But your assertion that it can be stopped EASILY... that's like the anti-gunners saying a weapons ban would solve gun crime. Good luck with that.
Yeah, come to think of it, Ron, your point of view on guns and your point of view on muslims are a little contrary. In one case you're comfortable with the associated risks, and in the other you kinda sound like an anti-gunner. 'scuse me, I meant anti-islamist. Now, I could be reading you wrong, so I'll give you a chance to differentiate between ALL muslims and just RADICAL muslims...

The cute little girl in the video just for me strikes me as someone who hasn't been out of the country, maybe not out of her home town. I get the anger, truly. I don't really get the bigotry and the same type of knee-jerk reactions typically exhibited by the anti-gun crowd, but whatever. I'm sure you recognize no similarities. One thing I'll agree with.. I don't give a rats ass for political correctness and "sensitivity". 'course, you probably don't much appreciate that about me when I ridicule the Jade Helm conspiracy.

Hey, BTW... does this current round of support for our slain military mean you now trust and support our military? Or does the whole Jade Helm conspiracy theory still overshadow it? Or is that politically insensitive for me to ask?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 22, 2015 - 10:44pm PT
Really!??? Did some of you not grow up facing down the nuclear arsenal of the Soviet Union..and you want me to be afraid of ISIS?

I simply do not consider this stuff a risk worth worrying about. Unless it's actually your job. FBI and such. Damnwell not worth being rude to strangers over and not even close to being worth curtailing any freedoms of anyone over.

Even the 911 Hijackers only killed a few thousand.. The civil war killed about 500,000 of our own in fratricide. After 911 we all went full bush idiocy and got a few more thousand of our troops killed for nothing in rediculous wars.

Compared to even lightning deaths these jokers since 911 barely even register a blip on the radar of risks of everyday life. Compared to the FLU..they dont even register.

Heart disease, cancer..kill more than binladen ever dreamed.

I'm not terrorised by the flu I certainly not even concerned about muslim radicals ..or for that matter any others.

Mostly I'm shocked and saddened by the behavior of our citizens towards muslims.. sickened actually. We have not learned a damn thing.. I still cry when I see the american japanese concentration camps.. seriously.. I burst into tears every time I see one of those from WWII.

That was serious sh#t.. WWII and we were wrong to contemplate this bullshit back then

Land of the idiots and the pussies..not the free and the brave with freedom for all.. that's for sure.

nah000

climber
no/w/here
Jul 23, 2015 - 01:41am PT
climbski2: thank you.

how the live free or die approach could get turned into the live afraid and die approach that is demonstrated by at least one of the above posters is mind boggling to me...

watching any american [a nation of 320 million people with the largest economy in the world by a factor of almost two] actually be afraid of isis, al qaeda, mexicans, muslims, gangbangers, the trenchcoat mafia, or whatever it is your fear mongering media is telling y'all to be afraid of next, is equivalent to watching a gorilla weep, wail and gnash their teeth because s/he just got bit by a f*#king gnat...

it's like... are you f*#king kidding me?

i've said it before and i'll say it again: the only thing you cats have to fear at this point in global history is fear itself.

and interestingly enough you continue to economically impoverish yourselves chasing tails of fear that only make it more difficult to give your citizens the security they all need [jobs, proper health care, a proper social safety net, etc.] in order to not be so prone to the emotional manipulation that your country thrives on.

hard to see the world straight when you are having to face a retirement hoping you can get a job at walmart so you can continue to pay for your trailer home pad rental.

as long as americans collectively believe they are rugged individuals (tm) dropped by storks from the ether and are only stopped from reaching their full potential due to government and the other, they will be doomed to the mental illness and squandered potential that deep rooted individual insecurity brings.

as always, and due to your being our next door neighbours: f*#k i hope you collectively figure this one out before it turns ugly.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 23, 2015 - 04:54am PT
Good post climbski2,could not agree more.


EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 23, 2015 - 05:07am PT
Mostly I'm shocked and saddened by the behavior of our citizens towards muslims.. sickened actually. We have not learned a damn thing.. I still cry when I see the american japanese concentration camps.. seriously.. I burst into tears every time I see one of those from WWII.

That was serious sh#t.. WWII and we were wrong to contemplate this bullshit back then

What behavior are you talking about?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 23, 2015 - 05:24am PT
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/

This kind.

By comparison:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/4486-american-soldiers-ha_b_5834592.html

By killing them at 100 times the rate that they do us ,why shouldn't we discriminate against them?
Degaine

climber
Jul 23, 2015 - 05:40am PT
johnnyrig wrote:
that's like the anti-gunners saying a weapons ban would solve gun crime

No one's has said or is currently actually saying that.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 23, 2015 - 05:45am PT
My mistake.

I thought he was talking about the behavior of citizens... in the present... since ISIS rose to power... possibly related to last week's killings.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 23, 2015 - 07:21am PT
Anger is the easiest and least balanced perspective.
Reaction is the base of that response.

Choosing to ignore the heralders of confusion, animosity and judgment is the hard path.

Carry on, but pud: I thought you were above this.

Eric,
Anger is an emotion not a perspective.
The emotions I felt when starting this thread were empathy and sadness for the family and friends of the slain soldiers. Not anger.
The thoughts and ideas of many of those posting here are good and have value. Others are full of hate, fear and ignorance. It's up to the reader to decide which is which.
The young man that perpetrated these crimes grew up in a violent and abusive environment. To blame his actions solely on his religious path is simplistic. The complexities of identifying our enemies is our task.

That said, the American people need to protect themselves from enemies, domestic or foreign. The complexities of identifying these enemies is our task.
Knee jerk reactions are what many of our current, true enemies thrive upon. Eliminate this and you will succeed in eliminating the threat.

The fighter that keeps his cool and does not let emotions rule his actions has a much greater chance at surviving the battle than his opponent.
Arming those we trust with our national security only seems logical.
Hating others for their beliefs only seems ignorant.
Fear drives many to hate. Hate drives many to fear.
Remaining calm and alive is a much better choice.
Support and arm the targets of our enemies.
One does not have to fear or hate to be a worthy opponent.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 23, 2015 - 07:27am PT
Maybe that idiot extremist, Tomi Lahren, missed the president saying this:

Too bad it took him five days to make that statement... after catch flak for seeming indifferent to this tragedy.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jul 23, 2015 - 08:33am PT

Im down with Tami Lahren..... she is 100% right on, brother.

jonnyrig

climber
Jul 23, 2015 - 10:01am PT
I wouldn't support the idea of sharia law any more than I'd support the idea of Christian law. I do support the idea being able to choose ones own faith in this country, be it Christian, muslim, Buddhist, native american, or none, to name a few.

All those acts of violence carried out or driven by those of islamic faith I would classify as extremist and/or radical. To say that none of those things have ever occurred under the auspices of Christianity is to ignore the history of the religion itself. What I want to know is why people become susceptible to the idea that violence, perpetrated under the supposed guidance of ANY religious belief system, could ever be acceptable.

Here's one thing I notice, and you can see it happening now within our good Christian faith: when people start placing the tenets of their faith above the law of the land they live in, they begin to pass the tripping point wherein it becomes OK for them to commit crimes against their fellow man; because their religion tells them so.

We are a nation of laws. They guarantee our rights to liberty and due process. When you usurp those laws in the name of your religion, such as refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples while under the employment of a government entity, you are part of the problem.

So yeah, if you feel like you want to exclude a particular religion based on the fact that a small percentage of them can not abide by our laws, thus nullifying the 1st amendment right to freedom of religion as it has been defined by our justice system, then keep your mouth shut when they come for your guns.

And don't forget, gay rights don't really exist in the christian world either, depending on who you ask, naturally.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 23, 2015 - 10:25am PT
Edward, you really need to turn off Fox and whatever rightwing talk yakker you're listening to. If you did, you might have know the President said this on the day of the shooting:

My response was about your previous quote. Now you're coming back with a completely different statement. Keep moving those goalpoasts. LOL

I have read the Obama's statement from last Thursday. It's an interesting contrast to his statement regarding the Charleston massacre. Very telling.

So is the fact that it took him 5 days to order flags flown at half mast, after numerous governors, mayors and congressmen had taken matters into their own hands.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 23, 2015 - 10:32am PT
You have missed ONE BIGASS fact.


We, as described by our current administration, are in a WAR with radical Islam. Its apparent that some of you have no idea what that means.

And not one of us can Identify a radical from a moderate. Pretty similar to VietNam and trying to identify kong from S Vietnamese. You couldn't until they exploded.

climb2ski point out the effect of that with Japanese internment camps during WW2. I didn't miss that.

No one can predict when a legal gun owner's going to lose it and start shooting, either. It happens. You argue entirely differently in that case though.

You said it yourself, not one of us can tell the difference between moderate and radical. However, the majority of Muslims currently in this country are not radical. Similarly, the majority of firearm owners are committing no crimes. The disparity in your reactions to the two are interesting, leading me to think you must believe that the majority of Muslims here are, in fact, radical. Is that the case?
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 23, 2015 - 10:51am PT
What's your point? Get rid of Islam? That goes against the whole freedom-of-religion idea. And it goes against the whole innocent-until-proven-guilty idea.
I'm down to advocate for more scrutiny of Islamic religion, and ideals. It's clearly becoming a major influence, and has been for some time, in these attacks. But you'd better go beyond that simplistic interpretation of the cause for this type of violence, and start asking the questions about why people are drawn to it as a religion, and why they are susceptible to the idea that the violence promoted by radicalism is or becomes acceptable to them. Otherwise, they're going to continue to commit violent acts. Additionally, coming down hard on Islam here unnecessarily could cause more civil disobedience.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 23, 2015 - 12:01pm PT
1. I didn't promote getting all kumbaya with the muslim world. I said don't unnecessarily persecute those of non-radical Islamic faith who continue to conduct themselves according to law of the land here. And I included all other faiths in that statement. Religious freedom ends when you attempt to usurp the law.

2. The liberal mindset, if it had its way, would eliminate ALL guns, not just from our society, but from the entire world. Come on Ron, you know that, I'm sure. So you can quit with that line of BS, blaming them for the current proliferation of small arms. NSA, TSA, DHS, BFD all part of some liberal coalition? Seriously? Uh... gee... ok...

I've made a point of contrasting your views re muslims vs your gun rights views because both freedom of religion and gun rights have been constitutionally upheld in our highest court. I'm not equating the two, other than to point out that you're arguing FOR one, and AGAINST the other, which makes me question your self-stated belief in constitutional law and adherence.

Show me ONE place where I said Islam was good. I did not. I said people in this country are free to choose their own religion. I said the majority of muslims here are moderate and willing to follow our laws, in which case they do not deserve the persecution proposed by you. I differentiate them from the radicals who hold their faith higher than our laws. Currently, that applies more to those of Islamic faith than others; but that differentiation stands, in my opinion, with ALL religions, as I have already explained.

You did not directly answer my question, which I ask of others as well:
Do you believe ALL Islamic people are radicals?

Good on ya for denouncing the Charleston shooter. How far did you go with his analysis? Does it simply stop at him being a racist? Or do you ever wonder why people are so easily misled by that sort of propaganda, and how to deter people from that type of radical belief? Do you think there's a way to treat any underlying contributory factors that make them susceptible to hate speech?

See, without figuring out why people are drawn to radical religion, hate speech, and violence as a solution to their ills, we're destined to suffer similar acts of aggression.

Concessions? No. Avoid trashing our constitutional rights? Yes.
Gary

Social climber
From A Buick 6
Jul 23, 2015 - 12:01pm PT
Pretty similar to VietNam and trying to identify kong from S Vietnamese. You couldn't until they exploded.

Ron is right about that. The solution? Kill them all.

Like this group of deadly looking commies.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 23, 2015 - 12:23pm PT
It's really not. And it should not be allowed of muslims, or any other religion. I'm not sure the data supports that 1/4 of all muslims are radical; but I could be wrong. Problem is, even if true, what do you do about the other 3/4 of them? Persecute them to defeat the other 1/4? Seems to be what a lot of people are advocating. And that definitely would NOT support the melting-pot theory of America either.
Gary

Social climber
From A Buick 6
Jul 23, 2015 - 12:23pm PT
Gary damm right^^^^^

Ron, that's the most repulsive thing you've ever posted.

edit: Maybe you don't know what a real American is. Here's three TRUE Americans. Men with guts.
Warrant Officer Hugh Thompson, Jr.
Spec 4 Glenn Andreotta
Spec 4 Lawrence Colburn

Look 'em up.
Gary

Social climber
From A Buick 6
Jul 23, 2015 - 01:42pm PT
Ron, here's a couple of real cowards:
Lt. William Calley:


From the wiki article:
Colonel Harry G. Summers, Jr. declared that Calley and Medina should have been hanged, drawn, and quartered, with their remains placed "at the gates of Fort Benning, at the Infantry School, as a reminder to those who pass under it of what an infantry officer ought to be."
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 23, 2015 - 02:12pm PT
http://www.ktvn.com/story/29619781/shot-fired-accidentally-at-ohio-military-recruiting-station
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 23, 2015 - 02:21pm PT
And I also said, as Muslim populations grow in any location or region, so does the push for sharia law which is evident in Seattle today.

You gotta help us Ron. We're desperate up here in Seattle. The commie/fag government is soon going to have the muslim hordes kill us all and there's nothing we can do about it.

We need you to load up as many trucks as you can with guns and ammunition and convoy it up to Seattle so us white people have a chance of survival.

Although... Hmmm... That probably wouldn't work. Anyone who interprets banks looking into offering loans compliant with sharia law as "Seattle is pushing for sharia law" is probably not capable of loading a truck. Let alone organizing a convoy.

Do you get all lathered up over the fact that practically every city in the US allows stores to offer meat products that are compliant with sharia law?

Do you get all lathered up over the fact that practically every city in the US allows all kinds of practices that are kosher? (OHMYGOD!!! They're pushing Jewish law on us!!!!!!!11111)

Don't get me wrong. I'm as upset over violence carried out all over the world by Islamic fundamentalists as you are. But banning banks in the US from finding loans that work for their muslim customers is not a rational response to the problem.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 23, 2015 - 03:00pm PT
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Turkey has agreed to let the U.S. military use a key air base near the border with Syria to launch airstrikes against the Islamic State, senior Obama administration officials said Thursday, giving a boost to the U.S.-led coalition amid a surge of violence in Turkey blamed on IS-linked militants.

The agreement, which President Barack Obama and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan discussed in a phone call Wednesday, follows months of U.S. appeals to Turkey and delicate negotiations over the use of Incirlik and other bases by the U.S.-led coalition - a sensitive topic in Turkey. American officials said access to the base in southern Turkey would allow the U.S. to move more swiftly and nimbly to attack IS targets.
philo

climber
Jul 23, 2015 - 03:14pm PT

One less play soldier standing guard this afternoon.
Civilian guarding military recruitment center accidentally fired his gun while showing it off
Jul 23, 2015 12:37pm PDT by Jen Hayden
Comment_large98 90
It was only a matter of time:
Christopher A. Reed, 28, of Lancaster, was charged with discharging a firearm in the city limits, and was issued a summons to appear in Fairfield County Municipal Court on Tuesday, according to the police incident report.
Reed told the officer who responded that he was standing, holding his AR-15 rifle in front of the military recruiting station to guard the personnel inside when someone approached him and asked if he could take a look at the weapon. Reed agreed to show him, and while he was trying to clear the ammunition from the weapon, he accidentally fired into the asphalt pavement.

The only damage was a hole in the pavement. The rifle was taken from Reed pending his appearance in court, the incident report says.

It's no wonder military brass are telling recruiters to treat these guys as security threats:
“I’m sure the citizens mean well, but we cannot assume this in every case and we do not want to advocate this behavior,” according to the Army Command Operations Center-Security Division letter, which was authenticated by the service.
Recruiters were ordered not to interact or acknowledge the armed civilians, who have been greeted by a mix of concern, indifference and gratitude by the public.

“If questioned by these alleged concerned citizens, be polite, professional and terminate the conversation immediately and report the incident to local law enforcement …,” the command advised.




Earl and the Clutterbusters
http://youtu.be/N0Wn3Eey6dY
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 23, 2015 - 04:58pm PT
And not one of us can Identify a radical from a moderate

Judging from your ramblings you are one bad hair day away from going ballistic on an innocent person for nothing more than, your rights are bigger than their rights.

There, I just identified a radical.



You are in a tailspin, get help
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Jul 23, 2015 - 08:20pm PT
This PC Muslim drama would continue until 1) Christianity is made an official religion in the US and 2) all people are required to behave according to WASP traditions/norms.
When do you believe this would happen?

I can't think of another way to resolve this issue. :(
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 24, 2015 - 07:05am PT
When I heard the news, I just knew it was an older white guy named John......



Gotta be a Domestic terrorist. What will the President say and when? Will he call it what it really is...or wait 5 days??? Flags at half mast today? Cancel the trip to Kenya? Bomb somebody...anybody???? First step is to ban all older white men from entering the country immediately. Keep out the Drifters!

Next step is to arm all theater goers. Gun sales at the concession stands. "Honey, get me a bag of popcorn, a Coke and a Glock 22."

Good to see your heart is in the right place.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 24, 2015 - 07:36am PT
Cigarette smoking is dangerous....Climb at your own risk..!
Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Jul 24, 2015 - 09:00am PT
The coward, Rusty Houser, that shot the people Lafayette, LA was a childhood friend of mine. He grew up about 6 doors down, did the same schools, same after school play and pickup ball games.

He became a little different as we got older, for one he was extremely racist. A very outspoken person about current issues of the day. He ran for mayor one year; but had to drop out of the race because he was caught pulling up his opponent's campaign signs.

I haven't seen him since 1988, when we were both enrolled in the local college.

An eerie feeling to know (or have known) a person first hand who commits a crime like this.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 24, 2015 - 09:24am PT
Sorry Tobia.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 24, 2015 - 09:25am PT
You're as outraged about this as the murders in Chatanooga, right? Right??

I'm saddened by both tragedies. Same goes for the Charleston massacre.

You seem more interested in using them as vehicles for creating conflict.

Pathetic.
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Jul 24, 2015 - 09:32am PT
Why are people like this called a coward? Doesn't seem to fit the definition. Insane , however, fits nicely.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jul 24, 2015 - 09:50am PT
So have we figured out Islamo Nuttery, American paranoia, excessive military budgets, or right wing militias yet???
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 24, 2015 - 09:57am PT
It's going to take a few more pages but I'm sure we'll get there Bruce. Each one on his own, likely.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jul 24, 2015 - 10:02am PT
I guess you cant fix crazy .


Don't be ridiculous. This is America. We can do anything. We make them Tenured Professors, so they can teach our young.

http://jezebel.com/holocaust-denying-tenured-professor-calls-cosby-accuser-1719723154

jonnyrig

climber
Jul 24, 2015 - 10:19am PT
Hate to tell you but there are many democrats or independents in militias today. The ratio of those signing up for our CCW classes is nearly 50/50 among the two main political parties. That is due to America waking up and realizing the two parties are one in the same.

Hard to believe guys like you (in a militia, that is) would welcome any sort of liberally-minded person into their militia, they way they (and you) speak about them. Any chance there is a split between left-thinking and right-thinking militias? Do they exist, or do militias exist that are non-partisan?
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2015 - 10:32am PT
Why are people like this called a coward? Doesn't seem to fit the definition. Insane , however, fits nicely.

The majority of these "insane" people that shoot up theatres, schools and churches would not have the balls to take on a fair fight.
This is why they prey on unsuspecting victims.
They don't know how to cope with everyday problems and blame others for their own pathetic lives.
True Cowards.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 24, 2015 - 10:56am PT
edit: ^^^ cool.

Yeah Ron, seriously. I haven't seen you post anything with a positive liberal spin. Only that you've said you're independent, which I believe. Otherwise, you unabashedly lambast anything liberal. You also don't seem to value opposing view points, or harbor any willingness to consider them with an open mind and possibility to change your own point of view. Could be wrong, but that's my impression based on our loose association and your forum postings.

I'm quite aware that I don't know you very well, and neither do you know me very well. Most people on this forum don't know each other very well, being, at best, acquaintances. Yet we very easily classify one another's points of view on various topics and react to them accordingly. We let that guide our opinion, lest we meet in person, and sometimes conduct ourselves very differently in an online setting vs face-to-face discussion. I do make an effort to limit that, though it's easier to be more outspoken here and I do catch myself in the act. I'm going to stop short of accusing you of different online conduct, as I don't think you're afraid to share your point of view regardless of the setting.

I get the distinct impression that questioning you aggravates you to no end, and you certainly take issue when we poke fun at some of your more questionable theoretical associations on various topics. Online forum posts are often vague, though, and in many cases the questions are pointed and specific for a number of reasons. Some to better clarify your (or another poster's) particular point of view, some to provoke further thought and analyzing, some to provoke responses from other forum members.

I'd go shooting or climbing with you any time, and have openly offered as such, and enjoyed those trips when the opportunity came about. If it pisses you off to get the occasional razzing, or the pointed questions regarding your point of view, then maybe we just shouldn't associate either here or in person. I think people shouldn't be fake with one another, especially in their personal associations. Meanwhile, I'm just going to personally continue on trying to keep it real, for the most part, and I imagine so will the rest of us, you included. Fair enough?
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jul 24, 2015 - 12:13pm PT
Well, unfortunately we're out of time for this week, but this has been a productive session
philo

climber
Jul 24, 2015 - 12:53pm PT
Cowards to the left of me cowards to the right here I am stuck in the middle again.



White, Right-Wing, Tea Party Extremist Shoots Up Movie Theater, Killing Two And ‘Terrorist’ Isn’t Uttered Once (VIDEO)

AUTHOR: SHANNON ARGUETA JULY 24, 2015 12:29 PM

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/07/24/white-right-wing-tea-party-extremist-shoots-up-movie-theater-killing-two-and-terrorist-isnt-uttered-once-video/



A showing of Amy Schumer’s new comedy “Trainwreck” turned into a bloodbath in a Lafayette, Louisiana movie theater. John Russel Houser, 59, a confirmed rabid right-winger, entered the 7 p.m. showing of the movie and opened fire on moviegoers, killing two and injuring nine. Unsurprisingly, the word “terrorist” has not been uttered once in reference to the shooter.

Police say Houser entered the Grand Theater 16 shortly after the showing began and started shooting. The two fatalities were both young women; Mayci Breaux, 21, died at the scene and 33-year-old Jillian Johnson died at the hospital later. Houser also injured nine other moviegoers, two of them teachers, before he killed himself.

Police say the shooter was a “drifter” who moved to Lafayette recently from Alabama. They said they have no idea what made him enter the mover theater and start shooting, but police think that he had hoped to get away.

“It appears he was intent on shooting and escaping,” Lafayette Police Chief Jim Craft said of the shooter. “The quick law enforcement response pushed him back into the theater.”



Here we have another angry, white mass shooter, who apparently has ties to white supremacist groups, as well as the Tea Party and nobody is calling him a terrorist, interesting isn’t it?

Just last month another right-wing terrorist, Dylann Roof, entered a historic church in South Carolina and gunned down nine African-American churchgoers and the media, police and politicians refused to call him a terrorist too.

Last week, a brown guy named Muhammad Abdulazeez, attacked to military installations, killing five and he was labeled a “terrorist” as soon as his identity was revealed. All the same people, who refused to call Roof a terrorist, were suddenly freely throwing the word around.

Now we have this new shooting and nobody is calling him anything other than a “59-year-old white shooter.” Why is that?

This guy was obviously a terrorist. He is a terrorist with right-wing ties and his very own Tea Party page. According to The Daily Beast:

A Google search for the name reveals a Tea Party Nation page registered to a person with that name. Authorities have not confirmed whether the page, registered in June 2013, belonged to the shooter. The owner of the Tea Party Nation page identifies his hometown as Phenix, Alabama. He appears to have called himself Rusty Houser on another forum in which he describes himself as “very conservative” and asks how to find white-power groups.

Raw Story reports that, in addition to his right-wing ties, Houser has a history of violence and mental health problems:

He was treated in 2008 and 2009 for mental health problems after his wife and other family members took out a temporary protective order against him for extreme erratic behavior and has made ominous as well as disturbing statements.”

His ex-wife, Kellie Houser, said he was so mentally unstable that she removed all of the guns from her home. In 2006 he was turned down for concealed carry permit because of a conviction for arson in Georgia.

In a 2013 post he expressed that he loathed President Obama (not surprising for a white supremacist):

Here is something that is truly funny: since I accepted this it came to me that the president is doing exactly what Tim McVeigh did, only the president is much more effective. The way I see it,the faster he wrecks this nation, which in no way resembles what it’s founders envisioned, the faster working people with morals may re-assume command.ie

Ironic that a guy who would go on to commit an act of domestic terrorism, would compare Obama to the Oklahoma City Bomber.

The vapid right-wing will use this as an opportunity to scream “MOAR GUNZ!” and they will completely ignore that this guy was one of them. He wasn’t brown. He wasn’t Muslim. He wasn’t a foreigner. He wasn’t a liberal. He was a domestic terrorist created by the angry right, who will deny it; they will never admit that he is a product of their hate, because they are incapable of taking responsibility for anything.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 24, 2015 - 01:17pm PT
The vapid right-wing will use this as an opportunity to scream “MOAR GUNZ!” and they will completely ignore that this guy was one of them. He wasn’t brown. He wasn’t Muslim. He wasn’t a foreigner. He wasn’t a liberal. He was a domestic terrorist created by the angry right, who will deny it; they will never admit that he is a product of their hate, because they are incapable of taking responsibility for anything.

well of course!

the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have your own good guy with gun.....

if everyone in that movie theatre had a gun that shooting would never have happened


but to my question: what is it about American life that makes some white men so angry?
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 24, 2015 - 02:17pm PT
In fact the liberal mind set has brought us things like teenage girls getting morning after pills without the knowledge of their parents

That doesn't quite square with this.

Im all for Womens rights - it is their body to deal with. I would rather see an abortion than a child brought into the world only to be left at his or her faculty and eventual demise

You might be able to twist the two statements a little to fit in your ear, but all and all the two statements stand opposite of each other..


You gave some instances for some things your in agreement with Dems on, now show where you've ever railed against the Republicans on any one those.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 24, 2015 - 02:45pm PT
you damn right teenage girls should be able to get morning after pills

news flash, they are having unprotected sex

news flash, they don't want a baby yet as a teenager, its their body, its their decision
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jul 24, 2015 - 02:49pm PT
"ive endured more BS from this site than any other ive belonged to. Why?"

Cause your a moron and post your f*#king idiotic opinions constantly.

I wish I was like DMT and just thought it was trolling. But I really think you are that stupid.

What made you and Philo return after your mental blowouts?
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 24, 2015 - 03:01pm PT
Philo linked
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/07/24/white-right-wing-tea-party-extremist-shoots-up-movie-theater-killing-two-and-terrorist-isnt-uttered-once-video/

I read that and the author sounds just like an angry liberal bitch.
https://www.facebook.com/CrankyLiberal/info?tab=page_info

Oh wait... :-)
Norton

Social climber
Jul 24, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
yes, the author does seem angry

but are any of the facts that he pointed out regarding the shooter incorrect?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 24, 2015 - 03:21pm PT
but to my question: what is it about American life that makes some white men so angry?

Maybe some of our angry posters can shed some light on the subject.

Where's Craig Fry these days?

Wrong, Edward. You calling the President out for taking 5 days to lower the flag to half staff was a vehicle for creating conflict.

What am I wrong about?
Gary

Social climber
From A Buick 6
Jul 24, 2015 - 03:33pm PT
Im all for Womens rights - it is their body to deal with. I would rather see an abortion than a child brought into the world only to be left at his or her faculty and eventual demise.


Im all for a SENSIBLE health care system that doenst penalize one group to support another. We don't have that yet.


I think pot should be treated just like alcohol, even though both are damaging and many folks cant handle either one. Prohibition was a failure as is the fight against pot. But other drugs such as METH and others should be eradiated from the planet.


There is three for you. Gave you a bonus one.

Here's one more Dingus. He approves of the murder of women and children. Thinks it's OK.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 24, 2015 - 04:45pm PT
What am I wrong about?












Laughing,hardly.....
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2015 - 05:15pm PT
They look like brothers
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2015 - 05:26pm PT
I won't engage you crankpot. Move along.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 24, 2015 - 05:28pm PT
Phuckin' guys, still the same old shyte, isn't it?

Sometimes I hate livin' in the Good Old Boys States of America.

President Lyndon B. Johnson ordered a national day of mourning three days after King’s assassination. The 40th Academy Awards ceremony was rescheduled to April 10.

How decent of everyone.

crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jul 24, 2015 - 05:32pm PT
pud, Nuke the thread and I'll move along.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 24, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
Right is Right ,muslim radical, t party,is there a difference?http://reverbpress.com/justice/theater-shooter-views/



Must be a liberals fault,aye.
Norton

Social climber
Jul 24, 2015 - 06:05pm PT
yep

time to nuke this thread
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 24, 2015 - 06:20pm PT
The Earth is flat.

I'm not sure, but I think that's been shown to be wrong.

But I am pretty sure that Werner has a man crush on crankster. He hides it behind a lot of jokey name-calling, but seriously, nobody follows anyone else around like that unless...

Well, you know.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jul 24, 2015 - 09:51pm PT
Norton wrote:
yes, the author does seem angry
but are any of the facts that he pointed out regarding the shooter incorrect?

Hey Norton,
Not sure if you clicked what I linked, but the author is a woman and her Facebook page is called: "Angry Liberal Bitch".

I wasn't tryin to make any other points, just riffing on the anger theme. Seems to be in abundance on both sides.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jul 24, 2015 - 10:21pm PT
*
Tobia, Yowza...What a trip that you know who the shooter is and you grew up near him.....double Yowza...

I'm sure you probably read all the info on him...but what a scary freak.. .http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20150724/b5f33a92-6753-4757-adda-ecebfa7af0c3
Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Jul 25, 2015 - 04:50am PT
Rusty was a normal kid growing up, very bright. He had a very successful bar and grill operation in the 80's that was frequented by all of my pals and many others. He was heavy into the cosmic dust and was very friendly with it's dispersal, whether in the back room of his bar or at parties.

He sold the bar, moved to Atlanta, opened another and it failed. I think that is about the time he started his endless dribble about racism, and entered the political scene.

To me he was an ominous worm; but seemed more full of verbal bravado and hate talk than anything. I never new of his mental issues, the last time I saw him he was painting his house, his new wife and her young children in the yard playing. My thoughts then were actually admirable, in reference to his work ethic. He had gone from a pretty successful entrepreneur to a painter to support his family.

The monster that the media is portraying is a guy I never knew, except his racist attitude. He was very outspoken about that; which made me avoid him.

That was a long time ago. If you told me then, he was capable of mass murder and the other things reported in the news I would have never believed it. I know he did not appreciate his mother or older brother who is an "average joe" that makes his living as a stock broker. Those two guys were so different, it is hard to think of them as brothers.

I pray for the victims, Rusty's family and Rusty himself.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 25, 2015 - 11:35am PT
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 26, 2015 - 08:49am PT
About the shooting in LA~~

I watched it live..

dude the L.A.P.D took that guy down..

what a show that robot the bomb squad uses is awesome..
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 26, 2015 - 11:59am PT
NOW HEAR THIS: the phrase "since 911" is absolute bullshyt

Very well then.


The percentage of Americans killed here by those calling themselves Muslims was much higher under President Bush than by home grown terrorist.

The good news is since Obama has been President the overall amount of killings has gone down and the ones doing most of the attacks are home grown terrorist.

It's funny rdog hasn't picked up this and brought his ire and wrath down on Bush.




johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 26, 2015 - 12:33pm PT
Dude, your the one that said it's ok to go back to 2001.
Gary

Social climber
From A Buick 6
Jul 26, 2015 - 12:44pm PT
..the biggest liars in the ME..
Please name some lies for me, I need to be educated.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 26, 2015 - 01:12pm PT
I didn't realize your statement only applied only to what you wanted to use it for. Very convenient for you. You'll have to excuse me for going with what you said?
My bad.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 26, 2015 - 02:35pm PT
Or the one that just went to Kenya to bash the govt over GAY RIGHTS as if that is a prime


concern in KENYA????????

Yes Ron, it is.

In neighboring Uganda, gays could be killed or imprisoned. I don't recall if this is still the law there, but homophobia is rampant there, stoked by right wing bible thumping shitbags from this country who go over and preach that Jesus hates fags.

So yes, it is a huge problem in that region.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 26, 2015 - 03:04pm PT
It's a big deal in Kenya, too, Ron.

LGBIs are discriminated, stigmatised and subjected to violence because of their sexual orientation. In cases where they need medical care, they suffer stigma perpetuated by health care providers who breach their privacy and confidentiality by exposing their sexual orientation to other colleagues at the facilities. The health care providers are not friendly and hardly understand their sexual and reproductive health needs. ... LGBIs face physical harassment by members of public who mock and assault them for practicing "unnatural" sexual relations. In cases of assault by mob justice, the police often fail to come to their rescue. Upon arrest, police subject them to unnecessary body and house searches allegedly looking for evidence that could link them to other crimes. They are profiled as drug users, past prison convicts or individuals with track records of crimes. They often face arbitrary arrest, are often detained at the police stations, subjected to torture and unnecessary harassment by the police who extort money from them and are only released after bribing their way out. They also suffer sexual abuse from the arresting officers. ... When their identities are discovered, LGBIs cannot seek employment or undertake other forms of business - for example running a kiosk. Sometimes, they have to keep relocating to different residential areas to hide their identity. ... Further they are often evicted from their rental houses by neighbours and condemned for their orientation which is termed evil. In cases where they are not evicted ..., they are not allowed to use common utilities in the residential compounds such as swimming pools. LGBIs are also unable to access spiritual nourishment from the society because they are labelled as evil and the teachings in places of worship interpret LGBI activities as unnatural and unacceptable.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Kenya

I'm proud of our President for calling on Kenyans to treat LGBT people decently.

But maybe you just don't care.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 26, 2015 - 04:29pm PT
Only an ignorant ass calls the President of the United States a donkey. Leave, Ron, go away.

This place really needs more forum Nazis.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 26, 2015 - 04:37pm PT
Well we already have plenty of whiners, especially ones who get banned, come back, and whine more.


dirtbag

climber
Jul 26, 2015 - 05:27pm PT
So has Hussein Obama declared martial law in Texas yet?
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