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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 4, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
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I'm not a wingsuiter, but seeing this video seems like it removes the need for a parachute if you can do a water landing.
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and this guy without a parachute, well hes just plain crazy..
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Icarus
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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I think this stuff is going too far. The trampoline stunt looked like a fake.
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Rollover
climber
Gross Vegas
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BS on both..
But what do I know?
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Both are so poorly done, fake to the max. if you even think it's real, better check into the nut house.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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This is real above, maybe.. Box catchers work I know I set them up for a living.[photoid=416919]
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Men are not birds.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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In principle it seems simply a matter of conceiving a surface you feel comfortable impacting as obliquely as possible at the lowest speed you can maintain control of a wingsuit in.
Dunno... mebbe 60ish in that big fat wingsuit that guy hit the boxes in?
Divoting powder feet first at 60 ...probably a fair bit higher isn't much problem in deep/steep pow. But face first arms spread sounds bad to me. Dunno maybe with some serious helmet/neck brace and body armor underneath...Sounds like asking for some real pain if it goes slightly off..
Yeah I can't see making this a realistic regular practice..not with anything like the wingsuits we see today.
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tripmind
Boulder climber
San Diego
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I think in the far future when jet engines become lighter or obsoleted people will opt for powered jetpack flight instead of base jumping or wingsuting because it provides for a great thrill but with a much higher margin of error.
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Doing something like this today is not feasible to the average wingsuiter as the turbines required would cost about 20k by themselves...
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Gunkie
climber
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It seems to me that to do this stunt for real, the glide ratio need to be improved. Wingsuits effectively extend the capability of the human body to be a lifting body.
To create more lift additional surfaces can be added. Extendable 'wing tips', deployable bi-plane lifting surface above the wingsuit, or adding canard lifting surfaces will provide greater glide ratios. However, where is the line crossed when we're just talking about a small glider?
Maybe Skip Guerin had it right; no climbing shoes, no chalk equals free climbing.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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It will happen and when it does we will have guys like Dean to thank for developing and working to make a sport that humanity has been dreaming of for thousands of years.
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Rock!...oopsie.
Trad climber
the pitch above you
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Ski jumping comes to mind. I am guessing the speed at touchdown would be similar.
No big deal, right?
The real trick is getting a body of water to cooperate at the same angle as a ski jump LZ!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I find this mildly disturbing. In aviation we are usually striving to expand the margin of error.
Wingsuiting without a chute is the opposite, isn't it? What I also don't get is why they aren't
striving to give their rigs some meaningful aspect ratio* without which they are just an
aerodynamic joke.
* Aerodynamic speak for longer and skinnier wings like an albatross'.
It's the only way to achieve serious L/D.
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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^^^ all of this is currently being discussed and such. you only see certain videos and the prototypes may or may not be seen in the near future. The majority of us like our parachutes as they are very safe when used appropriately, now very small and light.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Snakey, if you can come up with the cash I can put you in touch with my friend.
He kinda knows a few things about aerodynamics - he designed the Gossamer Albatross! ;-)
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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Reilly, the thing is, i like what we have and do it for a hobby. I could get more involved in the research side, but that would become more like a job and i hate to say it, but i prefer to hike and fly on my own time in amazing places..... will send a PM regarding your friend. thanks!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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I've thought the same thing as moose - ski jumping. The body angle of a ski jumper looks close to that of a wing suit jumper. The question is could you fly a wing suit and ski jumping skis at the same time. You could practice it in a sky dive and eject the skis if you couldn't get stable. If you could fly both you'd probably improve your glide ratio over a wing suit alone. Then it's just a matter of finding a very long landing hill with the right angle to land on.
Alternatively or in conjunction with sky diving practice you could wear a wing suit while ski jumping for practice. You'd probably need a special hill though which would cost big bucks because the existing hills are already maxed out distance wise any farther and you'd land in the flats.
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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^^^ Shane McConkey died this way, RIP.
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steve shea
climber
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The speed skiing aspect might work. However speed skiing has had catastrophic accidents as well. And these were after the skier parted from the gear. If you slide you live hopefully if you get off the specially prepared track and put one digit in softer snow the cartwheeling begins. Then you have big trouble.
Course preparation is what speed skiing is all about. It would take some very special location and prep to do this wingsuit landing sans chute on snow.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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^^^ Shane McConkey died this way, RIP. Not really. He wasn't trying to land on skis and they weren't ski jumping skis. He was skiing off a cliff and then ditching the skis and then wingsuiting. His mechanism for releasing the skis failed
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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yes gumby, just did not feel like posting all the details.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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If you've ever taken a dive while cruising along barefoot water skiing, or otherwise at speeds above 25-30 mph, then you have some inkling as to the low compressibility of water. At the speeds you'd be talking for a wingsuit touchdown you might as well contemplate landing in the center lane on any random stretch of I-5.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Yes, and even if you 'flat plate' you're not gonna get your speed below 80-90, at best. OUCH!
Given the lightness of chutes this pursuit seems a fool's errand.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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A friend who raced boats said hitting water at over 20 miles per hour was no different than hitting concrete.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Just wear roller skates and aim for the I-80 heading off Donner Summit.
Or wait until Mavericks is going off and land right into a barrel.
Problem solved.
-Limpgenius
Hmmm... That doesn't work as well as when Moosedrool does it
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Snow is so much more forgiving than liquid H2O
Have to get that landing speed below 70..40 would be nice and pretty easy.
Not happening with current wingsuits.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Ski jumpers take off at 60. I don't know how fast they land but downhill racers can hit 80. Wing suits fly around 100. I guess you couldn't flare on the landing so you couldn't slow down. If they could increase the glide ratio and slow the speed it seems possible.
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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I seem to remember a story about a wing-suiter at bridge day not deploying his chute and gliding/augering into the New River and surviving.
Anyone know something about this?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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DMT, I already addressed 'flat plating'. It's a fighter pilot maneuver akin to 'locking 'em up'
so that yer pursuer blows by you and enables you to get on his six. A wingsuitor would have
to be able to do it about 6' above the ground as he would cease to fly at that moment and
would become a nylon clad rock. The trouble is they don't have that kind of lateral control
authority.
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Rollover
climber
Gross Vegas
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Nov 30, 2017 - 08:29pm PT
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What the what!?????!!!!
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Nov 30, 2017 - 08:54pm PT
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The Warbler
Jul 4, 2015 - 06:57pm PT
the first successful, without injury, parachute free landing would be a major accomplishment and feather in the cap of the guy to pull it off. I suspect there's some competition involved.
It will happen. Probably around the time somebody free solos Freerider.
Sooo? ;)
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Nov 30, 2017 - 10:49pm PT
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Always love that kiwi vid^^^😁
Jetsuit guys WOW just WOW! I had to google how you land the thing .
Wingsuit into flying aircraft... Why just Why???
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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^^ more like you are worn out and although you take great pictures, your mental state is out there.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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With the proper amount of hubris one can do anything, but perhaps only once.....Icarus comes to mind.
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