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Radish
Trad climber
SeKi, California
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 2, 2015 - 05:53pm PT
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A 21-year-old Bishop, Calif., resident died in Reno, Nev., from an extremely rare infection called primary amoebic meningoencephalitis.
The woman was flown to Renown Regional Medical Center, where she experienced cardiac arrest and died on June 20.
Just read this.....Scary stuff!
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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netty pot?
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franky
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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Wasn't the tubs, from the Inyo County Sheriff facebook page:
Public health staff has been diligently working with family, friends, and other stakeholders and partners to investigate the most likely source of her infection. We believe that the exposure occurred on private property that is only used by family and friends, and does not represent any risk to the general public. The investigation will continue, and all appropriate measures will be taken to involve and inform affected parties of any actions needing to be carried out to minimize any risk to persons in the future.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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A rare but Nasty business!!!
From Wikipedia
There have been approximately 132 reported U.S. cases from the 50-year period 1962 to 2013,[39] and 3 survivors from among those. That's a terrible survival rate. No known cure.
And yes, neti pots have caused two cases.
Beware warm, non-chlorinated water.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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The organism that causes this illness prefers warm water that is at least 89°F and warmer. Nose clips are thought to be effective. This amoeba can only kill you if it first enters the nose and makes its way to nerve tissue, and then to the brain.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Pam was a well known and serious problem in NZ in the 60-70s but very few cases since then due to public awareness and common sense associated with bathing in thermal springs of which there are many in Kiwiland.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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It's been awhile but my recollection of the hot springs around Bishop was that they were far from sanitary.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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It must be a tough little bugger to withstand the urine and E.coli floating in those hot tubs.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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My condolences to the woman who died.
When you read information on this brain-eating amoeba, it reads like scary science-fiction.
As reported:
Just don't get water anywhere near your nose in small non-circulating hot springs.
The amoeba crawls from the water near your nose, into your nose & brain.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there, say, all... my condolences to the family and loved ones...
very sad for the family... :( and the situation she went through...
thankful for others to help folks understand about this, too...
:(
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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My daughter-in -law's cousin returned from Costa Rica several months ago, and while there, she took a mud bath. A flesh eating bacteria entered a small scratch on her skin. She developed an infection but delayed flying home for a few days.
Within a week, she lost both legs and one arm - horrible stuff. She is still in the hospital.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Hot springs in the mammoth area are filled with cow feces's and other nasty microbes, including HUMAN poop. For most dirt bag types, this is their only shower/bath. GROSS>>>
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Naegleria Fowleri may be inactivated by chlorine and UV light (2012).
Naegleria fowleri is a free-living protozoan that causes the fatal disease primary amoebic meningoencephalitis. The only cases associated with drinking water have occurred in Australia and Arizona. One study found N. fowleri in 8% (n = 143) of all municipal untreated drinking water wells tested. The C x T values (concentration x contact time) for chlorine inactivation of N. fowleri trophozoites and cysts at an average disinfectant concentration of 1 mg/L were determined using the efficiency factor Hom kinetic model. The estimated C x T values for N. fowleri cysts are comparable to the published values for Giardia lamblia cysts, but are lower than those for Cryptosporidium parvum oocysts. In this study, the ultraviolet light dosage required to inactivate the cyst stage of N. fowleri was determined to be greater than that of Cryptosporidium oocysts but less than that of Acanthamoeba cysts.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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^Amazing Graves!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Probably just serendipity, but I had an inquiry from a small CSD (community services district) up there looking for chlorination equipment for their potable water system early this week.
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10b4me
Social climber
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About three years ago, some friends and I went to the Crab Cooker. It was packed with people, including kids in diapers. We left, good for us.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Wow. That's horrible. The stuff of nightmares. I'm really sorry to hear of this.
It shouldn't be hard to find out if she was at hot springs recently. Or maybe they're right about the private land theory.
I went to one of those hot springs ages ago. I've never been so sick the night after. I must have wiped my mouth with a wet hand or something. My GI track was empty from both ends. The worst part is that it hit me while I was asleep in my bag up at the Meadows. That's one way to ruin a trip.
I've been out to some hot springs since then with friends but I will not get in. Super gross.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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I'm sorry to hear about an unexpected and very unfortunate loss that must be hard for her family and friends.
Wow, not sure if I should consider it immune system training or just foolhardiness to explore these east side oases...
Actually I always get a bit grossed out in the man-made tubs, have a hard time enjoying that as a hot spring destination. Now a river or a stream, maybe with some rocks holding in a little pocket of warm water, that's a different story.
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10b4me
Social climber
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^^^ I miss being able to go into Hot creek.
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part-time communist
Mountain climber
Bishop, CA
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Weird. I've prolly been in every hot spring in California and half of Nevada and never had a problem. Other than the hallucinations.
same, minus the hallucinations...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dude stew.... never understood the attraction.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, steve A ... very sorry to hear this, as to your 'in law' ... here's hoping she will soon recover, as to her best now, and that she will be able to have help, for the next part of her recovery and get the 'ways and means' to get around then...
there are quite a few sad stories, coming out of costa rica... even little children, :( that have died... oh my... :(
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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A few years back I heard of a person contracting the amoeba while swimming in lake Mead while the like water was low and warm, I believe it was the same bug. Since then I have been very aware while swimming in lakes and soaking in springs to keep water away from my nose as much as possible. The Saline Hot Springs is a great place and I worried about the bug being there and it may be but the tubs are routinely cleaned with bleach several times a week and usually have a constant flow of water in and out. Also I just returned from Kauai last week and was getting ready to do a hike to a remote waterfall and swim but was warned by more than a few locals that there have been cases of people contracting a flesh eating disease from the water in fresh water streams. We stuck to the ocean.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 29, 2015 - 09:20am PT
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^^^
Different thing. One is an amoeba that eats your brain, the other is a bacteria that eats your flesh. Both gnarly, but different.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 29, 2015 - 09:21am PT
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^^^^. What does MRSA got to do with amoebas in hot springs around Bishop?
FYI, you very likely have MRSA within arm's reach, wherever you are.
Fat Dad beat me to the return key. :-(
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 29, 2015 - 09:55am PT
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The end result is often the same, no? And certainly both different from being shot with a bullet.
In each case an organism enters the host and kills it. Close enough for ST work.
There are no such things as applied sciences, only applications of science."
-LouisP
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 29, 2015 - 09:58am PT
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I'd take a bullet to the temple over either of those.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 29, 2015 - 10:11am PT
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rZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 29, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
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Actually, the flesh eating variety freaks me out more since it's not limited to scrungy pools of water. I recall a story of a triathlete who shaved his legs before a long ride, got a slight knick and then had flesh eating bacteria enter the wound while out riding. Almost died and then had to ampute his leg. Just so freaky and random.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Sep 29, 2015 - 02:08pm PT
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Life is uncertain and unfortunate circumstances could befall anyone. Always more tragic when it involves a young person.
That last tidbit is another good reason (of which I was unaware) why I don't bother to shave my legs when out on my bike.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 30, 2015 - 09:41am PT
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UPDATE
[he has] undergone six surgeries at Rady Children's Hospital since falling ill 10 days ago, according to family friend...
[his] right leg was amputated below the knee last week in order to prevent the spread of the bacteria. On Monday night, the remainder of the leg was removed up to the teen's hip, he said.
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Dr. Wilma Wooten, the county public health officer, said a bacteria found on the skin can lead to necrotizing fasciitis, if wounds aren't cleansed.
"It's a rare condition," Wooten told City News Service. "Since 2010,we've had 124 cases of necrotizing fasciitis" in San Diego County.
Of those patients, only three have been under the age of 17, according to Wooten. She said many of the others had an underlying medical condition that weakened their immune system.
People who get any kind of injury that breaks the skin -- even as simple as a paper cut, blister or scrape -- should see a doctor if the wound gets warm and/or oozes, she said.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Sep 30, 2015 - 01:38pm PT
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Yuk. I wish I hadn't read this thread.
124 people in a population of... how many are you? 450 millions?
That's 0,000028% of the population who gets it. As big chance as winning the lottery. That's a comfort.
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