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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 10, 2015 - 07:53pm PT
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Ammon
If I pushed jumping like I did/do climbing I probably wouldn't be here right now. So, I'm satisfied with the style of jumping that makes me feel comfortable and learned to listen to that inner voice when it doesn't seem right. I have walked away from MANY exits that others felt comfortable with.
So well said. Sorry if my comments in the past have seemed negative on BASE or unaware of the need to confront risk in life. I am not negative on base or wingsuiting I think it's awesome and beautiful. Another avenue to experience something fantastic and almost unimaginable. Experiences that not only make it worth waking up every morning, but drive one to hardly be able to sleep for the excited anticipation of the next day or even months.
What bothers me is the lure of pushing too far...there are limits where one goes far beyond the controllable and relies much on luck. These areas exist in all disciplines. Some are not so honest with themselves in this realm.
I'm not impressed in the slightest by those who regularly venture into that realm. Not that they care..but..it just makes me sad.
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Aug 14, 2015 - 08:33am PT
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This is a very interesting thread. For me risk management has always been something that has been in the back of my mind with any of the things that I like to do wether, riding any one of my three motorcycles, surfing, climbing whatever. II got married in the early nineties in the prime of my climbing career. I never had any intention of slowing down in fact my x wife encouraged me to climb. After 5 years of marriage we had a child and a lot of people in my life thought I was selfish to keep doing some of the bigger routes I was doing at the time. I told all my distracters that they don't understand that it is just who I am. It wasn't until I was Ice climbing and had a very close call of getting smoked from a chunk of ice that was the size of a city bus that I had second thoughts about leaving a small child behind with no father. For the first time I saw the line and decided that risk needed to be managed for reasons beyond myself. The incident really gave me some serious reflection of the amount of risk I should accept with the things I like to play with. Now as we all know what I consider risky and the amount I am willing to accept compared to you or anybody else can be totally different. I have always been fascinated with Skydiving and BASE. I never stepped up for a couple reasons, risk management being one. I didn't want to start something I new I would want to experience on a level that could jepordise the well being of my family. Well now I am 51 years old I am divorced, my daughter is a 19 year old young adult and very much on her way of taking care of her self. Last April I went through AFF and I just did my 60th skydive the other day. I have my own rig and I am so Stoked to be a B licensed Skydiver. Yes I have goals of fixed objects when the time is right. It is just who I am and I do not want to go through life not experiencing the things and desires I dream about. Am I a selfish person Yes in some regards, but phuck it the time feels right. If I don't do it now I may never, and I am not going to let life pass by without experiencing this desire. BASE104 and Elcappirate thank you so much for all your insight with this subject
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 14, 2015 - 10:34am PT
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That's it man, its all about making our own path and hopefully we can learn from others not only to take proper steps but to be inspired to see those steps through and live the life we need to be happy.
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Aug 14, 2015 - 11:56am PT
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I also would like to add that having a child was a choice I made knowing that I did not want to experience life without offspring. It is as important and enjoyable to me as anything else I do. My daughter is the Baum!!!!
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
climber
/ ne'er–do–well
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Aug 14, 2015 - 10:54pm PT
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T2 was making a great case for lowering risk, then suddenly embraces BASE (gateway drug to wingsuit/ proximity flight). WTF?
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Aug 15, 2015 - 08:29am PT
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I agree with you Cragman. I know there is still a need for a father figure through out all of life, I guess I just figure that the time is more appropriate for me now than earlier on. And don't get me wrong I am not running out and recklessly jumping off cliffs because she can vote now. I am enjoying the skydiving thing at the moment. In fact I took her down for a jump with me
Does this make me a bad dad for giving her, her first hit?
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Aug 15, 2015 - 08:45am PT
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BASE jumpers talk like meth-heads. blah-blah-blah
Hey y'all...watch this.
Jump away geniuses.
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Aug 15, 2015 - 10:00am PT
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Hey Flop Phuck. Your analogy and comment is about as pathetic as you are. Ramble on kook!
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Aug 15, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
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go do what you love. splattertards
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Aug 16, 2015 - 08:17pm PT
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RESPECT!!! Particularly for the fallen.
My suggestion to some individuals here...take the time, someday, to read through the BFL. See what their friends have to say about them. Individuals you know little or nothing about. Reconsider what you have posted here. Then take one last look at their pictures, before passing judgement.
Who wouldn't want to experience at least one flight like this? What if you could tomorrow, witrh 100% assurance that you would walk away safe and sound? It will happen only in my dreams though (lol). He had accumulated about 4,000 flights a year bfore this one. Listen to this man. If you had the opportunity, while he was alive, would you repeat what youvsaid here to his face?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Jhonathon Florez (04/03/1983 ~ 07/03/2015) RIP
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Handjam Belay
Gym climber
expat from the truth
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Aug 16, 2015 - 08:34pm PT
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I hope that's a typo.
4000 flights a year is almost 11 a day???
That seems more like a grind than a passion play.
I don't think I would take the same things away from climbing if I climbed 4000 pitches a year.
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Aug 16, 2015 - 09:15pm PT
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In a video that was made a year before this one, he said at that time, he had made somewhere between 3,000 to 4,000 wingsuit flights. I have no idea how many years it took him to do that. And, likewise, how many he made in the subsiquent and final year of his life. This video was made recently. Sorry about the poor grammar on my part. I should have said something like, 'A year befor this video was made, he had accumulated around 4,000 wingsuit flights." ...my bad!!!
EDIT: Note that I didn't stipulate as to what % were BASE vs aircraft. Dunno. I would venture to say that in the process he contributed valuable input into the development of safer, more effecient wingsuits, canopies, etc and to the sport in general.
edit: further review suggests that he was specifically referring to BASE jumps.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
climber
/ ne'er–do–well
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Aug 16, 2015 - 11:33pm PT
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We've now seen proximity flight established in Yosemite.
Hopefully the sport can rise to the occasion, and come out of it with a home run instead of a black eye.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Aug 17, 2015 - 06:11am PT
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Sorry about the poor grammar on my part.
Don't worry, proximity may break your bones, but poor grammar will never hurt you.
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deschamps
Gym climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Aug 18, 2015 - 01:37pm PT
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There are many opportunities to find pleasure in life. I think that it is important to find sources of pleasure that don't so seriously risk the gift that is life.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 18, 2015 - 04:49pm PT
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Most of us on this forum have embraced the idea that an element of risk enhances their lives. We have climbing as a common link and many of us choose other activities with risk: motorcycles, dirt bikes, skydiving, base jumping, back country skiing, mountain biking, white water kayaking and rafting, surfing, long board speed skating, binge drinking, unprotected sex....you name it.
Let's all get on with what we do....we know the activity and have accessed the risk/reward ratio to our satisfaction....and, let's allow others to do the same with activities familiar to them but not to us.
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Heisenberg
Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
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Aug 18, 2015 - 06:20pm PT
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Well said Jim. Honest. True and Genuine.
We're all tourist finding our way home. Let others find happiness in their Journey as we meet our Destination.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Aug 18, 2015 - 06:40pm PT
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Jim how can you say that? The posters on SuperTard have every right to talk sh#t about something they know nothing about, it makes them feel so much better about their own small lives. Take Cragman and Flip Flop for instance, men with faces so Pious that Jesus would gladly eat a burrito off of them. I mean really JD, to each their own?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Aug 18, 2015 - 08:42pm PT
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Flip Flop for instance, men with faces so Pious that Jesus would gladly eat a burrito off of them.
You must have hit your head pretending you were BASE jumping off the top bunk.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Aug 18, 2015 - 08:59pm PT
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Flip
Have you lost someone recently to BASE?
If so, I can understand your anger.
It's probably natural to hate BASE for taking your friend, causing you to deride the activity and those who still choose to do it knowing the risks.
If not...
You're just coming of as an insensitive d¡ckhead troll.
Feel fortunate that those in Internet land don't choose to slam you for your life choices during your dark times.
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