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johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Sep 11, 2015 - 12:37pm PT
Now go figure that one out.

Are you trying to say the Iranian government is carefully given that info out to only people that would never retell that info to anyone and we will never find it?
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Sep 11, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
What I am saying is the Iranian's are in the "KNOW" loop of all the details to the agreement. They are the ones that we are making these concessions with are we not.

BUT... we the American people are not being allowed access to that information for supposed security reasons. Now why on God's earth is that?

The Obama administration delivered 18 documents to Congress on July 19, in accordance with legislation requiring a congressional review of the nuclear deal. Only one of these documents is classified, while the remaining 17 are unclassified.

Yet many of these unclassified documents cannot be shared with the public or discussed openly with the press. The protocol for handling these documents, set by the State Department and carried out by Congress, is that these unreleased documents can only be reviewed ‘in camera’—a Latin term that means only those with special clearance can read them—and must be held in various congressional SCIFs.

Most staffers were hesitant to discuss—let alone share—a number of these documents, even though they’re not classified, because they require security clearances to view. By mixing a classified document with unclassified documents, critics of this arrangement contend, important facts are being kept from the public just as Congress is deciding whether to support or oppose the Iran deal.

“The unclassified items… should be public. This is going to be the most important foreign policy decision that this Congress will make,” a Republican Senate aide told The Daily Beast. “This is the administration that once said it would be the most transparent administration in history. They’re not acting like it.”

“Many in Congress view the administration’s tactic of co-mingling unclassified documents with classified documents and requiring congressional staffers to have secret clearances just to view certain unclassified documents as an attempt by the administration to limit open debate,” a second senior Republican congressional staffer said.

Among the 17 unclassified documents are important texts related to the Iran nuclear deal: One document, titled “Elements of Iran’s R&D Plan,” is based on the “safeguards confidential plan [between] Iran and the IAEA,” or International Atomic Energy Agency, a State Department official said, and so it can’t be released publicly. The document describes how Iran’s research and development on its nuclear program, including on its centrifuges, could progress over time.

Again, ALL this hush hush information pertaining to the final DEAL is well known to the individual country we are making the DEAL with, IRAN.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Sep 11, 2015 - 12:53pm PT
So....the Iranian government is in the know of the deal we've made with them.


LOL


Reading your above post it comments on how some of the documents are for some eyes only and others are classied secret. Maybe Obama should have made the whole thing classified and got flak from that angle instead.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 11, 2015 - 12:56pm PT
But we, (including Congress) are not allowed to know what's in the deal.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Sep 11, 2015 - 01:01pm PT
Not true tgt. Congress is allowed to view it, some parts can not be seen by there staff.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 11, 2015 - 01:05pm PT
Some parts have not been disclosed at all.

that's what the fight in the house is all about
dirtbag

climber
Sep 11, 2015 - 01:07pm PT
TGT, the last time your guys made Hitler comparisons, we ended up engaging in a pointless war in Iraq based on false intelligence that your guys hyped.



Gorgeous George

Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
Sep 11, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
I suppose that Hillary is the right choice for many reasons, but she is really a pseudo-progressive, and much like the person who falls in love with someone because of who "they really want them to be, not who they really are," when it boils down to it, neither she nor Bill were ever what we really wanted, they hovered around the middle trying to please everyone but pleasing no one at the same time.

In much the same way it appears all the right wing ideologues are expressing their favoritism for the Donald's manner of saying what "they really want to say, but can't because it's not PC," they are happy to send a message to all the other impostors (I like the "repugnant" label), and are willing to let it ride without concern for the ultimate outcome.

In a way, their frustration with "politics" is causing them to express interest in "style over substance."

For that reason I favor supporting Bernie, in a sense because I am equally frustrated with "politics" but from the opposite point of view, and therefore vote for "substance over style."

Refreshing to have said that.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Sep 11, 2015 - 01:48pm PT

But you, me and the rest of the American People are NOT.

I'm sure there's plenty in there we, the public, the Irainian public and terrorist world wide don't need to know either.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Sep 11, 2015 - 01:56pm PT
Tgt, if what's quoted in cheifs post above is true, then all congressman can read it, it's their aides and others without the proper security that are kept from its content.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Sep 11, 2015 - 02:00pm PT
not enough general election match ups with Sanders to truly give a

definitive answer if he good for president.

the data I've seen indicates he has some challenges!
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Sep 11, 2015 - 02:08pm PT
He needs to improve his numbers with African-Americans and Latinos to make a real run at the nomination


http://brainsandeggs.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-two-things-that-will-keep-bernie.html

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 11, 2015 - 02:56pm PT
What I am saying is the Iranian's are in the "KNOW" loop of all the details to the agreement. They are the ones that we are making these concessions with are we not.

BUT... we the American people are not being allowed access to that information for supposed security reasons. Now why on God's earth is that?

Another misleading lie.

"The Iranians" are NOT in the KNOW.

the Iranian LEADERSHIP is in the know.
The American LEADERSHIP is in the know.
The European LEADERSHIP is in the know.
The Chinese and Russian LEADERSHIP is in the know.

NONE of the citizens of any of those countries are.

The dipsh*t conservatives claim how much better they would govern, as experts in business. How often do you think TRUMP and FIORINA shared their negotiations with the workers in their companies????? I know that CARSON didn't share negotiation information with his patients.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Sep 11, 2015 - 03:03pm PT
"The Iranians" are NOT in the KNOW.

the Iranian LEADERSHIP is in the know. NONE of the citizens of any of those countries are.

What ever gives you that idea, KEN M?


Oh, the Iranian Gov't told us so... ok.

Hows that Cherry flavored Koool Aid snow cone you slurping on.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 11, 2015 - 03:08pm PT
Not a peep from Bernie on that dudes attitude and total influence on the general HATE policy doings of Iran.

Perhaps, unlike yourself, Bernie has the sense that God gave a cabbage, and knows better than to get involved in an international fight, particularly when he is not the person elected by the American voters to conduct foreign policy.

What do you think? Do you think ramping up antagonisms with Iran makes them MORE or LESS likely to release Americans they have in jail? Do you think it makes them MORE or LESS likely to bomb Israel?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 11, 2015 - 03:09pm PT
So you are telling us that YOU have direct connections into the Iranian gov't?

HA!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 11, 2015 - 03:14pm PT
Do you think it makes them MORE or LESS likely to bomb Israel?

Everybody here who doesn't think that Israel has put the Iranians on notice,
through some back channel, that they will be annihilated if they start
something with Israel raise their hand.

The agreement changes none of that.
The Chief

climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
Sep 11, 2015 - 03:22pm PT
Nope ... the Supreme Leader won't say a fking word to his people. Not a peep.

You KEN M are aware that he is in fact the HMFIC and does what ever he wants, when he wants and however he wishes to. He answers to no one. Telling "His" people everything is how he and those that went before him, roll.

Here is the irony of all the dealings. Regardless what is in the DEAL, they still want yours, mine and all us American heads on a platter. As evidenced below after the Deal was struck with them.

To think anything different is just plain, well, just plain KEN Mish....

[Click to View YouTube Video]

But just as the Supreme Leader states, your arrogance in this matter Ken M, shines bright.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Sep 11, 2015 - 03:37pm PT
You aren't seriously saying that everyone in Iran knows all the details and we will never find out one way or another?



MisterE

Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
Sep 11, 2015 - 04:29pm PT
I #feelthebern!

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