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Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
Topic Author's Original Post - May 18, 2015 - 08:58am PT
I didn't know these two men but I have great respect for their endeavors. Here are the links for the other threads.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2626754&tn=0

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2627046/Dean-Potter-accident

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2627088/Danger-Bird-Flies-Alone-Dean-RIP

My condolences go out to their family and friends.

-Tim Sorenson
brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
May 18, 2015 - 09:04am PT
Much better start to a thread.

Condolences to all involved.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
May 18, 2015 - 09:24am PT

Sincerest condolences to the families and friends
of Dean and Graham.
WBraun

climber
May 18, 2015 - 09:29am PT
I always thought Dean was one guy who was gonna make it all the way thru to old age.

This blew me away.

Those of us that didn't have the balls to do what he did lived thru him.

Thanks Dean for all that and thanks for all the videos so we could also "see" .....
this just in

climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
May 18, 2015 - 09:32am PT
Best to all that knew these two men, very bummed to hear about this.
Would like to hear more stories about Graham.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
May 18, 2015 - 09:34am PT

Those of us that didn't have the balls to do what he did lived thru him.

Thanks Dean for all that and thanks for all the videos so we could also "see"

I'll second that. Now they're gone to fly with the ravens...
Paul Martzen

Trad climber
Fresno
May 18, 2015 - 09:41am PT
Just heard on NPR morning news. So sad for all of their friends and family.
DesertRatExpeditions

Trad climber
Flagstaff, Arizona
May 18, 2015 - 09:42am PT
Rarely will I physically yell out in shock and pain news of such, but I did yesterday.

This was the same for me. Few people in life have inspired me as much as he did.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
May 18, 2015 - 09:48am PT
To tHe Xream of our crop
My hart breaks for all
Just that same night I finally saw Valley Uprising!
Yikes boys and girls
We play with. A cruel pal
She takes so much, we take from her
But gravity kills


Passings and death as we approach the 25th of May had been in the cards .. .
Please be carful for the rest of your lives
But especially so for the next ten days?


Peace to us all -

they were the visionary's of peaceful flight. -

F. I. P.

And prayers of consolation tons of tears and healing, for every one.

Send a project in the memory of these great men

They represent the core , hart of STOKE,

Monkey's eyes high!


FLY IN PEACE
reptyle

Trad climber
Kali
May 18, 2015 - 10:40am PT
Sorry to hear of it. My condolences and best hope for their families and friends
Sadly, with this lifestyle it is almost inevitable. Gravity is a ruthless and relentless predator that will eventually win every battle
I pray we all take heed of the lessons left to us by these professors.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 18, 2015 - 11:20am PT
hey there, say, ... i had already stopped by the other thread, but wanted to leave my condolences to both dean, and to graham, here, as well...

condolences and prayers for the families and loved ones, that move-on, now, without them, may your good memories, keep you strong, and not hurt you, may they turn into treasure, for you...
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
May 18, 2015 - 11:26am PT
Most sad....

Sincere condolences to all

YosemiteSteve

Trad climber
CA
May 18, 2015 - 04:34pm PT
Here's an article about Graham

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-graham-hunt-yosemite-death-20150518-story.html#page=1
EP

Trad climber
Way Out There
May 18, 2015 - 06:23pm PT
I saw Dean just once, sitting outside the Yosemite Theater while the 50th celebration of The Nose was going on.

He was alone, with a faraway, blissful smile that seemed to communicate the intensity of what he had experienced that day.

My deepest feelings go out to his friends and family.

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
May 18, 2015 - 07:04pm PT
My condolences to friends & family of Dean Potter & Graham Hunt.

YosemiteSteve: Thanks for the link to the article on Graham Hunt.

Thought I would post the article you linked to.

Sean Jones met Graham Hunt in a Sacramento climbing gym about a decade ago. He quickly felt a strong rapport with Hunt, then only in his early 20s, and encouraged him to stay with him in El Portal, Calif., and climb in nearby Yosemite..

“We did everything together and I showed him every possible thing I could, which connected him to Yosemite and to the people,” said Jones, 45. “Graham just took off in climbing. At the end of the year, I couldn’t keep up with him, which was awesome. His climbing got better and better.”

Even after Jones moved from El Portal to Kansas, the two stayed in touch. Hunt, he said, became like his brother.

Jones said Hunt remained devoted to climbing, but in the last few years got into flying in wingsuits, along with others like Sean Leary, who died BASE jumping last year, and Dean Potter.


“Those guys were like the gurus, definitely the best of the best,” Jones said of Leary. “That was the one comforting thing for me. That at least Graham was in there learning from the best and that had Graham becoming the best."

Hunt died with Dean Potter on Saturday in a BASE-jumping accident at Yosemite National Park when the pair, clad in a wingsuit that allowed them to zip through the air at great speeds, failed to clear a “notch” in the mountain and slammed into rock instead. Potter and Hunt jumped around nightfall from Taft Point, an overlook about 3,000 feet above Yosemite Valley, said park spokesman Scott Gediman.

Though Jones said he had confidence in Hunt, he said he would on occasion slip him warnings during conversations, telling him to learn from those who died before.
“This sport takes even the best of them down, because those guys are pushing the limits. They’re on the edge of exploration of this sport,” Jones said. “They’re pushing it to the limit the most, seeing what they can get away with the most and that was the worry.”

Despite his words of caution, Jones said he didn’t want to discourage Hunt.

“There’s still the fine line where you never want to stop people that are so passionate,” he said. “Maybe 30 years in the life of Graham was better than 60 in the boring life of someone else.”

Hunt’s father, Cliff, said his son was “very well-liked. He was a hard worker and just a pleasure to be around.”

Hunt grew up in Shingle Springs, Calif., where he was an outdoorsman and a sports fanatic, his father said. The two would go hunting, camping and fishing together.


When Graham Hunt graduated from high school, he went to Butte College for the fire academy. Afterward, he joined a hotshot crew up in Northern California, fighting fires with them. Cliff Hunt said his son spent most of his time in Moab, Utah and Yosemite, doing rock climbing.

Although he said he never went out rock climbing with his son, he watched him scaling El Capitan through binoculars from a meadow below.

“It’s surreal in the sense that he’s accomplishing something a lot of people can’t or don’t,” Hunt said. “At the same time, being a parent, you’re always hoping nothing goes wrong there.”

Graham Hunt lived in El Portal for the last three or four years, where he was neighbors with Potter, said his father. Potter and Hunt went to Switzerland together, jumping while wearing wingsuits in the Alps a couple of years ago.

“Dean was his mentor,” Hunt’s father said, adding that he saw flying as “graduating from one step to another.”

“It’s just more extreme and more extreme,” he said. “But it’s what he enjoyed and I supported him.”

Jones said he initially couldn’t believe that his friend was dead. After Potter’s death was confirmed, he still clung to the slim hope that Hunt was alive. Then reality began to sink in.

“I’ve just been devastated,” Jones said. “The lesson you take from this and the message you give out is don’t waste time … make it count.”

Jones said he last saw Hunt about three weeks ago in Utah with Shawn Reeder, a longtime rock climber who had been friends of Hunt for nearly a dozen years. While in Utah, Reeder said he had talked to Hunt about his plans to jump with Potter.

Hunt would describe the feeling as “flying” and as a sort of “alternate freedom,” Reeder said.

“They were very well-aware of the risks but they chose to live life fully and completely … looking death straight in the eyes,” Reeder said. “I just can’t help but want to celebrate what these two men did. They lived life to the fullest and that’s inspiring.”

But when he heard about Hunt and Potter’s death, his heart just sank.

“I just thought, ‘Oh my God, no please,’” Reeder, who lives in Nevada City, said Monday. “Losing two people at the same time, it’s hard to even put words to what it feels like.”

Reeder said Hunt was a “little bit of a vagabond” but that El Portal had become his home base. He said Hunt was careful, choosing not to jump if conditions weren’t ideal.

“Graham definitely was very aware of what conditions he needed and if they weren’t right, he wouldn’t jump,” Reeder said. “He loved adventure, but he was a pretty even-keeled person. Very calculated, very methodical. He wasn’t an over-risk-taker.”

Following Hunt’s death, Reeder shared a tribute to his longtime friend on his Facebook page. He included photos of climbing in Colorado and in Yosemite, with a message about wanting to “celebrate Graham’s incredible life.”

“I knew Dean was going to get worldwide attention and there’d be no lack of images celebrating him,” Reeder said. “I also knew not as many people knew Graham and he was really special. Not only to me but to many people his life touched.”

Unlike Potter, who was a superstar in the extreme world that he inhabited, Hunt kept a low profile. He didn’t even have a Facebook account, Reeder said.

“Everything he did in life he was doing because that’s what he loved. He didn’t need any recognition," he said. “He seemed like one of those rare people that was doing a good job of walking the middle road in life. Even though from the outside it might seem like he was super-extreme. His inner psyche was very much in the middle. He was chill and mellow, but when he’d go out there he’d give it his all.”
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
May 18, 2015 - 07:12pm PT
Mr. Potter certainly climbed, flew and walked the line, like nobody else.

I've read and watched a lot of his [right] stuff and he was very careful.

Something went pretty horribly wrong.

Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
May 18, 2015 - 07:23pm PT
The world's an Inn; and I her guest.
I eat; I drink; I take my rest.
My hostess, nature, does deny me
Nothing, wherewith she can supply me;
Where, having stayed a while, I pay
Her lavish bills, and go my way.

-Francis Quarles
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 18, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
hey there say, yosemite steve... THANK you for sharing about graham... i wanted to know who he was, so as to honor him, by--learning something from him... thank you, very kindly...

many of us non climbers, had no clue, as to who he was and is...
RP3

Big Wall climber
Twain Harte
May 18, 2015 - 09:07pm PT
I will miss you always, brother!

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
Topic Author's Reply - May 18, 2015 - 09:11pm PT
I could just close this thread and post a link to it in the 'Remembering Dean Potter' thread.
Any thoughts?

I sent Chris a note suggesting as much.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
May 18, 2015 - 10:10pm PT
No.. you are the only one mentioning Graham.

It's appropriate to have several threads for this.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 18, 2015 - 10:20pm PT
hey there say, bushman... no, please KEEP the thread... you know, there are many many magazines, in the world...

housekeeping...
field and stream...
climbing...
cooking...

so MANY of them, yes, DO share the same things, but, they also HAVE different things, mixed in as well...

different ways of saying or sharing...
something needed for everyone, done in various different ways...

you see?


here, we need THIS one, too...
every way, and every share, have an importance, and SO DOES yours...

thank you for sharing this... and, it also, as one poster just said:
DOES add a chance for some folks to share about graham, as well...




*no one means to leave him out, but it is only natural, to humans, to share on what they do know... and, graham was younger, and newer, so naturally not many folks would know to think quickly, as to his name, or WHAT to share about him, yet...


this gives some folks a chance to do so, :)
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 18, 2015 - 10:23pm PT
hey there say, RP3... thank you for sharing the video...

i had seen it, on a facebook page, but was not sure if i should share it... but i see now, it is YOUTUBE... so thus, it is open for all to see...

thank you so much... he was someone, beloved son, and had things to share, that he wanted folks to hear... now, more folks can hear him...
and folks like me, can learn about how BASE jumpers, feel about what they love to do...
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
Topic Author's Reply - May 18, 2015 - 10:49pm PT
Ok, no worries all...just gonna have to 'Let it Be.'
Goodnight for now...
MisterE

Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
May 18, 2015 - 10:57pm PT
More on Graham, whom I didn't know - from a friend on FB, thanks for letting us get to know who he was:

Beautiful climbing days marred by sad news. Honoring Grambo (Graham Hunt) as Matt asked me to and I would love to. A friend and brother to Matt; one who seems to be a mystery to many and should be remembered as a talented, amazing and humble young man. Only 29. Matt wants it to be known that Graham was a "true silent warrior that will always be respected and missed". Matt frequently would share stories of their adventures together or speak enviously on how Graham was in Europe doing nothing but flying for months on end. Whether cranking on rock or perfecting technical lines, obviously Dean chose a wingman who was skilled and vice versa. Every time I'd see him when he was with Matt or at an eastside crag, he was smiling, positive and always wanted to know how you were and hear about what was going on in your life. People would always talk about when Grambo was cleaned up, he had SoCal "model" looks and the girls were crazy about him.
He used to have this Frenchie bulldog that was often with him, Ted. But poor Ted was not an outdoor dog and would injure himself, whether it was a stick in the eye, a thorn in the paw, diarrhea from eating something he found, etc. Poor Ted was a master at triple outdoor injuries. Graham took loving care of him though and decided he would have to give Ted a new, not-so-outdoorsy lifestyle home. Last I saw him was in the valley with Matt and other friends and still remember this big smile on his face as they took off for another adventure. It's a perfect lasting impression; someone very alive and happy.
I can't necessarily speak for him but I know the rangers and the park rules were a thorn in his side as they restricted his freedom to fly and to live how he wanted. One time after a jump off Half Dome, he landed and instead of immediately taking off like someone would normally do, he had the balls to actually chill out and start packing his parachute right there. Ultimately, the rangers came. He stated that they had no proof of anything but him packing his chute. It's a beautiful setting to pack a chute, right? smile emoticon
And of course, Matt wants to honor Dean; Matt respects and admires him so much and appreciates the few adventures they have had together.
Rest in peace to these fine men...and may we celebrate their lives with great memories and continue to feel their spirit as if they were tangibly with us. My heart hurts as my love feels the pain....

The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
May 19, 2015 - 07:00am PT
Thanks for posting this about Graham. So many news articles focus just on Dean Potter but both lives deserve memorial.
snakefoot

climber
Nor Cal
May 19, 2015 - 10:02am PT
I am devastated by all this and feel for all the families involved. I was introduced to graham through sean leary years back when he was learning the basics. We had a great day of getting to know each other as we hiked to our exit, the jump is another hilarious story for another time. Then another time we ran into each other after coming around the base of half dome. An incredble person with a fire in his eyes and truly kind. I barley knew dean, but know plenty of stories and the valley will be a different place without both of you. This is horrendous to say the least.

Fly free and live your dreams whatever they may be. For all those we have lost, you are in our hearts forever and we miss you beyond words.


BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 19, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
I don't know how much I should say about this, but the picture of Taft Point with a vertical line drawn on it is wrong.

Wingsuiting really has two forms.

One: You fly out from the wall into clear air, have a long flight, open away from any object, and land. Early wingsuit flights were like this, but very quickly the other type became the objective:

Two: Proxy flying, meaning proximity. Those are jumps where you fly a line that can be a mile or more long, flying as close as you can to the cliff, through notches in ridges, or even gaps in trees. Youtube is covered with videos of this, and this was what Dean and Graham were doing.

I heard last night that Dean had recently been in Europe, where he had been doing 2 flights or more per day, and did about 200 flights. He was basically at the top of the game, extremely skilled, and very current, meaning that he had been doing flights regularly. I don't know how many flights he had made, but my guess is over a thousand. He had been doing it for years. Without a go-pro or spray, I might add. He kept it pretty personal.

The proxy lines are very much like climbing routes. Most of them are known, and some of the popular ones in Europe have been done thousands of times. The flip side to this is that some of the best wingsuit flyers have been dying lately. It is the most dangerous type of BASE, and is really something new. It has little to do with jumping a 500 foot cliff in Moab where you free fall for only two seconds, toss your pilot chute, and land. With this, you have to learn to fly your body, and that requires experience. A lot of it.

Danger aside, it is probably the coolest thing that a human being can do, and you really are flying compared to old BASE. I exchanged a bunch of emails with Dean about 4 or 5 years ago, and told him to be careful out there. He responded with an email whose subject line was "Fly'n, not Die'n."

He told me that with care, he really thought that you could do this forever, and have a long life.

That is the only way I knew Dean, through emails. He was looking for info about when climbers became jumpers. Although I wasn't the first climber to BASE jump, I was the first one to almost completely quit climbing and go do BASE full time. Will Oxx was tied up in the Air Force. When he got out, he exceeded me by a lot, doing a ton of new objects.

These lines are just like climbing routes. They are usually known. You can scout them out before hand by flying higher, or further away from the cliff or ground, to see if it is possible and how dangerous it is, then you refine it into a line, and I can almost promise you that this was not his first time off of Taft point. Not even close. I wouldn't be surprised if he had done Taft Point 50 times.



neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 19, 2015 - 10:33pm PT
hey there say, ... just a bump, as there was some shares about graham here that folks might not have seen yet...
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
May 19, 2015 - 11:46pm PT
http://gigapan.com/gigapans/45634/
Argon

climber
North Bay, CA
May 20, 2015 - 01:12am PT
Base, thanks for the information. Do you have a sense as to how difficult their intended line was? Do you know if Dean had flown through this notch before? I think there is an image on another thread that suggests the notch is about 2,000 feet below their takeoff point and about 3,000 feet horizontally. So if that is correct and if you drop several hundred feet before you start flying, then you would need a glide ratio of about 2.0 to clear the notch.

Dean's accomplishments were incredible. The skill level and courage required for these flights is beyond my comprehension.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
May 20, 2015 - 02:55am PT
Base,
thank you,
as climbers we need information to process,
to fill the void of understanding with.
So that we can rationalize the mechanics,
as the metaphysics of the death of the most dedicated to an art form
by the art form is beyond understanding.

For the shares of the memories of the two hero's now gone.
Gone, And gone on to become bright lights in the gallery of past Giants,
Thank you,
realize that the dream of flight touches deep and wide
Often effecting the truly gravity challenged in profound ways-
At the non climbing gym where I and very fat old people hang out, the topic of the deaths were on the lips of men and women who individually and as a group have trouble walking due to life style choices. The overwhelming sentiment was one of gratitude for the dreams that the extreme life-style choices that some pursue, allow them to have and set goals by.

As inspiring as flying and flyres are to the cognoscenti, it is the ill formed thrusting hoard of jelly belly's who live most vicariously thru the lives and stories of extreme life style artists/Alternative livers.
John Ely

Trad climber
DC
May 22, 2015 - 08:40am PT
'If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.

Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. It is not important that he should mature as soon as an apple tree or an oak. Shall he turn his spring into summer? If the condition of things which we were made for is not yet, what were any reality which we can substitute? We will not be shipwrecked on a vain reality. Shall we with pains erect a heaven of blue glass over ourselves, though when it is done we shall be sure to gaze still at the true ethereal heaven far above, as if the former were not?' - H Thoreau, Walden


So sad to hear about Potter and Hunt. The world, north american and yosemite climbing communities have lost one of their truly original creations. Condolences to family and friends and everyone else who is also grieving this loss.

Probably this Guardian report is not news to folks in the know, but it is gratifying to see that this excellent newspaper has generated a really useful article for the general public on issues of BASE jumping in the US, while honoring these two:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/may/22/did-rules-not-risk-cause-dean-potters-base-jumping-death

vôo

climber
Denver, CO
May 22, 2015 - 05:55pm PT
Purely conjecture...

Take it for what it is worth.

If you zoom in on this view of Taft Point you can see the notch they intended to fly through.

http://gigapan.com/gigapans/45634/

It is possible that since it was evening the catabatic winds had kicked in. Combined with a west wind would have put them downwind of the other ridge.

In any other conditions they would have had enough reserve altitude to launch west, make the turn and proxy through the notch. Turbulent, descending air can eat into your performance in a big way.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 22, 2015 - 06:27pm PT
^^^ good work! Did you look up the wind patterns for that day?

I was wondering about wind. Seems to me a good line/course would have some windsocks flying throughout.

Is anyone familiar with what pilots call "ground effect"? As these squirrel suiters are coming in and out of the vicinity of a ridge or notch, I wonder if GE could be playing a role?

In the first 20hrs of my pursuit of obtaining my private pilots lic. Ground Effect played a major role in the staining of my shorts..

I think it would be hugely beneficial for the squirrel suit guys to at least obtain a Glider Pilots Lic.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
May 22, 2015 - 06:51pm PT
I am just wondering for that particular route, to what extent local air movement variations shrink an already small margin of safety, thus making an already risky route even more dangerous.


It is like a mathematical equation with a number of variables. The first is the initial dive off the rock, both speed and body orientation; even small deviations in those affect the margin of clearance with the obstacles below. If you add to that changes in air movement, there are two variables right off the bat which are difficult to control. So I can see doing this jump several times without mishap, and then one time some very slight and subtle changes in these variables make for a fatality.

I have never done wing suit jumping, but am looking at it from a mathematical standpoint.
Sula

Trad climber
Pennsylvania
May 22, 2015 - 06:55pm PT
BLUEBLOCR said:
Is anyone familiar with what pilots call "ground effect"? As these squirrel suiters are coming in and out of the vicinity of a ridge or notch, I wonder if GE could be playing a role?
Probably not. Ground effect (which has the effect of decreasing total drag and thus increasing glide ratio) is insignificant when much more than about one wingspan above the ground, and is important only when closer than approximately 20% of a wingspan. When your wingspan is 6 ft or so, you'd have to be really close to a more or less horizontal surface for this to matter.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
May 25, 2015 - 10:00pm PT

As to the wind at Taft Point, never seen anything like it - used to throw paper airplanes from there, that would lift, and enter the valley (going NE) never losing altitude. I had someone take a pic of me throwing a $5 bill off the cliff, and it blowing right back to me (during Carter administration $5 was worth a lot more lol).
jstan

climber
May 25, 2015 - 10:13pm PT
Today you have to throw a $20 bill off Taft Point.
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