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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jun 11, 2015 - 02:32pm PT
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I read maybe 5-10 comments quickly, got bored and moved on.
The comments are boring. People talking about things they don't understand are a bore and a general waste of time to pay any attention to.
The reason the author is interesting is that he has an understanding and unique perspective of the subject and what they were doing. He seems to have a grasp on risk. He knows who Dean is. The commenters don't.
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John Ely
Trad climber
DC
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Jun 12, 2015 - 10:00pm PT
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The New York liberal press (esp. NYT and NYRB) has always seemed to me stuck in the epoch when Ramsey Ullman & co. worried about hard climbing as a germano-fascist aesthetic along with an obsession about the stick pin in Heinrich Harrer's rucksack. But still the discussion in this well read article about the prevention of 'spectacle' on the part of the NPS powers that be in particular, and a close look at the most preferred comments on this well read piece is sobering in terms of climbers maintaining their presence in Yosemite Valley. Yosemite is not a cathedral in which everyone ought look up in silence and awe, and not have to deal with ugly bugs on the flying buttresses and stained glass windows. But not all have this view.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/sports/dean-potter-final-yosemite-jump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Those who respect and share some elements of Potter's and Hunt's vision quest should take notice...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 14, 2015 - 06:22pm PT
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DMT
that's Evel, not Evil. I found this out once.
I've heard people complain that risk-takers shouldn't take risks e.g. if they have children. I'm inclined to agree.
Is it risky to drive a car on the freeway? Why yes, it is. Complicated, no?
Can it be finessed with "unnecessary risks", maybe. Fire away.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 14, 2015 - 10:28pm PT
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Very few get to realise their 'grand plans' about how it's going to end and get to chose the time, place, and manner.
well, don't make it sound like they're happy to exit. i'm sure if they had it over to do they wouldn't jump.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 15, 2015 - 09:40am PT
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^Yep!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 15, 2015 - 02:35pm PT
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^It's a plot all right. I try to avoid the iPhone. My error was just an innocent typo of the Windows/Unoperated cararacts type, but I did get to meet the other Evel due to it. He's a good guy who I might not ever (started to say evir) have come to know.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 15, 2015 - 05:17pm PT
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What you said Lgas
Very few get to realise their 'grand plans' about how it's going to end and get to chose the time, place, and manner.
The best one can do is live out ones dreams to the best of one's ability. It seems to me these men did.
Your speculation is obviously somehow more valid than anyone else's, right?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 15, 2015 - 05:30pm PT
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Very few "grand plans," I would think, include dying at ages 29 and 43.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 15, 2015 - 05:38pm PT
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^~~Yep! (Radio Free America).
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Jun 15, 2015 - 11:06pm PT
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No disrespect, but Potter took big risks.
It catches up to you sooner or later.
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bbbeans
Trad climber
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Jun 16, 2015 - 04:49am PT
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^^^ That was a touching story. Thank you for writing and sharing it!
My thoughts go to Dean and Pete and anyone else who left this world too soon and with much more to give.
"To thine own self be true", because nothing in this world is certain.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 16, 2015 - 08:41am PT
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Lg. This isn't going to take us anywhere useful, IMO, so why not let Mr.Potter do the talking. (read the whole interview here).
Has your opinion changed since you started bringing Whisper along?
There’s been a lot of dying in BASE jumping lately. One of my best friends, Sean Leary, and three other friends were killed. It kind of caught up with me a bit after this summer. Last year close to 30 wing suiters died, and I kind of stopped. This is back in September, where I was like “Mmm, something’s not quite right. That’s like, five percent of the wing suiting population just died. And here I am doing it with my dog.” So I started questioning myself.
I really felt it was safe while I was doing it, and I still—I fly in a certain way. I’m more into big mountain flights. I don’t need to be inches away from the wall. I do carve along walls, and maybe I’m five feet from the wall, but I don’t need to be inches from the wall. Five or ten feet is plenty.
Peace and Out!
Whoops:
http://www.climbing.com/climber/interview-dean-potter-talks-base-jumping-with-his-dog-and-learning-to-dial-it-back/
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 16, 2015 - 08:57am PT
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Five or ten feet is plenty.
No fixed wing pilot would fly that close to anything and you have far more control in any
fixed wing aircraft than a wingsuit. OK, the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds do but their
safety record immeasurably exceeds wingsuiters'.
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Ogden, Utah
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Jun 16, 2015 - 12:42pm PT
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No fixed wing pilot would fly that close to anything and you have far more control in any
fixed wing aircraft than a wingsuit
And you know this because you're and expert wingsuit pilot?
Why not just let these guys rest in peace and quit picking apart their decisions in life?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 16, 2015 - 01:49pm PT
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And you know this because you're and expert wingsuit pilot?
No, because I've studied aerodynamics (courtesy of the US Navy) and hold
many fixed wing licenses and endorsements. It doesn't matter if you're
flying an F-16 or your mom's bed spread, they're both subject to the same
laws of science.
And I wasn't picking apart their life choices - I was merely pointing out
what I saw as a complacency based on faulty reasoning. We all make mistakes.
That's not a moral failure. Failing to learn from our mistakes is.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 16, 2015 - 02:58pm PT
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Why not just let these guys rest in peace and quit picking apart their decisions in life?
Yep!
Sorry Lg, we should just let it go. I admired Dean Potter and would have enjoyed sitting and chatting with I'm sure.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jun 16, 2015 - 03:20pm PT
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Because learning from history and analyzing it makes those who come after more wise, and less likely to make the same mistakes, THAT"S WHY!!!
and if you feel that is not a worthy cause, then I question your relevance and value to the earth and our species...
Our biggest failing, is refusing to learn, ignoring facts because of emotion or lack of intestinal fortitude. Dean had the balls to have this conversation, do you?
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