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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 17, 2015 - 01:26pm PT
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I don't think I'm that old, mid 30's, but when I was kid the spoiled kids had really nice skateboards and bmx bikes, which together probably cost $300, but $2k for a mountain bike???
I've definitely seen some young kids on $2-$3k bikes, plus full DH kits. . .
I gotta go some kid's ball landed on my lawn, now I have to build a bigger fence.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Apr 17, 2015 - 01:41pm PT
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FUKN A
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jonnyrig
climber
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Apr 17, 2015 - 01:44pm PT
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How could they be? Some still live in poverty, without enough to eat.
Oh... you mean rich kids.
Yeah.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 17, 2015 - 02:07pm PT
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I was happy just to be beaten only once a day. It was good prep for alpine climbing.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2015 - 02:36pm PT
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No, I just think $2 grand is too much for a kid. . .I think a "decent" mountain bike with full suspension is around $4k. . .for an adult, or a kid that's willing to mow lawns. . .
People sure seem richer to me now-a-days. . .but my dad was in the navy so I was around different people growing up.
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SweetWilliam
Boulder climber
TheSand,Man
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Apr 17, 2015 - 02:44pm PT
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why u old guys always bustin on us?
most of us don't even have cars nd 300 in like 1975 when you were akid is worth way more now. I think u just mad bro cause ur bike sux and ur jealous of some kids that smoked you on the trail. u need a train more and wine less brosef. I worked all summer and mine was only 900 and I still smoke you cheif.
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Byran
climber
San Jose, CA
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Apr 17, 2015 - 03:01pm PT
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2015 - 03:02pm PT
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Tami, isn't your son older than me?
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Apr 17, 2015 - 03:07pm PT
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Being spoiled isn't about what you do or don't have, it's about how you were raised. I've seen spoiled kids from all social strata, and the most resectful kids at all levels.
If you think a $2k bike is bad, you'd probably have an aneurysm if you saw a kid driving a $60k car.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Apr 17, 2015 - 03:10pm PT
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Some are, some aren't.
My son paid half of his crossover bike, and my daughter paid half of her car, neither one of them real high end.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Apr 17, 2015 - 03:11pm PT
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if there is one thing that hasn't changed throughout history it's that older generations think younger generations are spoiled, lazy, and lacking manners
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Apr 17, 2015 - 03:12pm PT
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Sh*t...$2K is my 15yr old's food bill for a couple months.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Apr 17, 2015 - 03:15pm PT
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They are. Just look at the quality herb compared to our days.
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SweetWilliam
Boulder climber
TheSand,Man
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Apr 17, 2015 - 03:27pm PT
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wheres a good ride in the OC or big bear?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 17, 2015 - 05:03pm PT
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I got over thinking kids these days are somehow worse when I went to College at age 30. Yeah not much beyond a kid myself then.. but enough to have a little perspective that I decided never to forget.
I was impressed with the kids there..the majority took what they were doing seriously.. studied hard. A handful were even brilliant. They were young, listened to different music and they had fun too. But I came away from college not as worried about civilizations future.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Apr 17, 2015 - 05:30pm PT
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I saw some article the other day...which I didn't read ... that referred to kids that play outdoors and ride bikes across town and have secret dugouts in over grown vacant lots... referred to as 'Freerange kids.' I thought that was petty funny...and sad. Sad that they are considered outlayers in this day and age.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 17, 2015 - 06:25pm PT
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"why u old guys always bustin on us?"
Because in spite of the 'advancement' of educational techniques, you can't spell, you can't form cohesive sentences, your attention span is about 1.3 seconds, your idea of 'adventure' is the latest video game, and you blame your parents for all of it.
Then you steal their oxycodone and double it down with your 'medical' marijuana. You kids are alllll fecked up.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 17, 2015 - 07:08pm PT
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wheres a good ride in the OC or big bear?
BB is Awesome!
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 17, 2015 - 08:14pm PT
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Poverty rate is about the same, income inequality has gone up 50% or so. So in the big picture, our society has tended to spoil the rich folks at the expense of the poor folks in the last 25 years. In the small picture, yea those kids on my lawn piss me off too!
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Apr 17, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
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Not sure if spoiled is the right word but they certainly appear to take things for granted. I took a deposition today of someone who grew up in Soviet controlled Yugoslavia. He's in his 60s now but remembers when he was 14 getting a hand me down "good American jacket" that kept him warm in the winter. It looked like tears were going to start welling up in his eyes remembering it. Do you any kids nowadays who would get misty eyed over a jacket?
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alannamal
climber
B.C.
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Apr 17, 2015 - 09:42pm PT
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Only the ones with lazy bad parents that made them like that!
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Apr 18, 2015 - 12:59am PT
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your attention span is about 1.3 seconds
I was thinking about that the other day. I wonder if an attention span, as many of us think of it, is actually a detriment in this day and age.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Apr 18, 2015 - 04:27am PT
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The good old days. What are or were they?
I was in the National Library of Ireland researching for a screenplay (period piece Ireland 1909-1911).
I was looking at an (microfilm) edition of The Kerryman, this is when the front page of newspapers had all sorts of items… ads, editorial, what not.
A letter to the editor complaining about the "shiftless young men on the bridge drinking stout all day". Remember this is 1909.
Or the one where a guy shoots his sister in the leg and barricades himself in the cottage when the (then) Royal Irish Constabulary arrive and a stand off ensued. Again 1909.
Have times changed, anywhere?
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Apr 18, 2015 - 06:25am PT
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you know how that arrow-of-cupid's-bow pierces
your pinkest muscle when you fall into love's pit?
well that arrow ricochets around in there
for a bit and makes wee arrow offspring
and those arrowettes come shootin back out
of your heart and strike those next in line
whom gather up your love
and harness it tectonically in their own
emotional mountain building process;
and this child-rearing process
yes it is a craft.
one which i am passionate about.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Apr 18, 2015 - 11:20am PT
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Depends on the demographic and economics of the area they live in. I remember in the late 90s in Palo Alto where parents were buying their kids $11,000 dollar Pasanti titanium bikes out of the Wheelsmith shop. One night they sold three of 'em to doting dads who bought them for their teenage kids.
It's all relative to how big an IPO you have and how large your equity is I guess.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 18, 2015 - 11:31am PT
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I once had the dubious pleasure of managing a group of 20-30 somethings and ran into the "entitled" culture on a daily basis.
Call me old-fashioned, but I came from a world where winners were rewarded for their efforts and losers got constructive criticism...unless they kept screwing up...then they got canned.
It's been 10 years but I still chuckle over the 31 year old we riffed who showed up to the exit interview with his Mom. They both ranted about how all participants are winners and how I must hate diversity since I had canned little Johnny.
Took a lot of self control to keep from busting up with laughter!
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 18, 2015 - 12:00pm PT
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I remember the days when I was spoiled with no permits needed and no lines on the cables of Half Dome. My daughter is definitely spoiled though in comparison to her ancestors who were slaves. The winners used to (..) be rewarded for their efforts at being white. It's all she can do to not bust out laughing at our entitled childhoods. Depends how you look at it I guess.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Apr 18, 2015 - 12:03pm PT
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My kids are spoiled;....they don't even have to get haircuts....
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Apr 18, 2015 - 03:26pm PT
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Platon said:
"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions.
Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"
"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."
(From a sermon preached by Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274)
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC)
Nothing new under the sun, huh? Complaining about youth is as old as civilisation. Some seem to become old and grumpy in a rather young age, though.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Apr 18, 2015 - 03:34pm PT
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Mine are
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 18, 2015 - 07:30pm PT
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"It first appeared in some book from the 1950s, whose name I don't care to look up"
Well, you made me look. FWIW:
http://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/12/13/riot/
"Quote Investigator: QI has found no substantive evidence that Plato made the statement above.
The earliest instance located by QI was spoken at the Convention of the American Society of Newspaper Editors held in April 1968. A panel titled “What about the Generation Gap?” was moderated by the newspaper executive Creed C. Black of “The Chicago Daily News”. His introductory remarks employed the quotation: 1"
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 18, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
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I was thinking about that the other day. I wonder if an attention span, as many of us think of it, is actually a detriment in this day and age.
I think you meant "lack" of an attention span being a detriment......and YES, IT IS!
Being able to maintain attention on something for an extended period is a great gift, and allows one to do things that would be impossible otherwise.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 18, 2015 - 08:58pm PT
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Setting the jealousy of youth factor to the side for the moment...I'm earnestly hoping you young bucks keep at it because someone has to fund my upcoming Social Security!
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Apr 19, 2015 - 01:40am PT
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Randisi, and apogee,
I know it's questionable who said that quote, that's correct. It's been attributed to Sokrates too.
Actually I was searching for a Roman's angry tirade against the young. I thought it was Cato, but I didn't find it.
But some grumpy old man said it. :-)
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Apr 19, 2015 - 01:50am PT
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Jim,
good for you! I like them too.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:26am PT
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About 20 years ago I was dating a hottie semi-pro triathlete and MTB racer.
She dumped me because the MTB that I bought cost "only" $600.
I still have it and it's still the only MTB I've ever needed.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:07am PT
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I like the present youth. They are educated socially to a level far above the fists first, questions later generation I grew up in. (1960's - 1970's -1980's)
jim I like how you put it as fist first..
old guys and their intimidation tactic don't work no more..
young kids these days have a lot of stuff to pay for.
*baby boomers generation never had to pay for a computer, cell phone, flat screen, education, high gas price, smart cars, good weed and etc..
Baby boomers seem more spoiled!
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:23am PT
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Baby boomers seem more spoiled!
We are.
Sex that wouldn't kill you, $5 rock concerts, no "homeland security", cheap drugs, free love and a general appreciation of life.
Growing up in the 70's was prime.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:32am PT
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As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. Old people ragging on young people. Stupid.
There have been spoiled children from time immemorial.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:44am PT
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i find it impossible
to raise live souls
in a graveyard culture.
it really, really depresses
me to watch my children
conform to their
culture despite
my contrary offerings.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 19, 2015 - 08:49am PT
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I don't have children so maybe what I'm about to say is useless theory.
I wish I had been taught to be a bit more social than I was. Some Conformity and familiarity/respect for the social customs you are surrounded by is not all bad. The main thing is developing a passion for something and enough non conformity to beleive in your own path.. but you can't succeed following a passion unless you have good social skills, compassion and enough respect for rules not to screw your life up and put unnecessary obstacles in your own way.
How do you teach that balancing act?..lol
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 19, 2015 - 09:56am PT
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How do you teach that balancing act?
Do you mean how do we teach the children the balancing act, or how do we teach the parents the balancing act of teaching the children?
For me, with a child on the autism spectrum who perceives eye contact as threatening, and living in a society that perceives that unwillingness to look you in the eyes as antisociability and contributes to creating/enforcing his antisociability, and then we omniscient omnipotent altruistic humans pat ourselves on the back for how good and right and hard-working we are and it's just natural to disapprove of/ disassociate from someone who won't look you in the eyes .. I hink your question is one that we ask of humans, but that god answers ..
If you can't teach yourself to be more social, could you teach your children? That's what it's like to be a parent. :-) if you can teach yourself, then maybe it's not about your parents.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Apr 19, 2015 - 01:49pm PT
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**I think you meant "lack" of an attention span being a detriment......and YES, IT IS!
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No, that's not what I meant.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:19pm PT
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spoiled or not - who cares - I just want their plasma...
//"Young Blood May Hold Key to Reversing Aging"
"Two teams of scientists published studies on Sunday showing that blood from young mice reverses aging in old mice, rejuvenating their muscles and brains. As ghoulish as the research may sound, experts said that it could lead to treatments for disorders like Alzheimer’s disease and heart disease.
“I am extremely excited,” said Rudolph Tanzi, a professor of neurology at Harvard Medical School, who was not involved in the research. “These findings could be a game changer.”
The research builds on centuries of speculation that the blood of young people contains substances that might rejuvenate older adults."
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New York Times
MAY 4, 2014
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:23pm PT
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DanaB. . . I got it!
Grazie.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Apr 19, 2015 - 06:51pm PT
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If so, the parents are the prime factor in the equation.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Apr 19, 2015 - 09:58pm PT
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Yeah, wasn't Caligula the spoiled adopted son of Tiberius? Depraved Youth learns from depraved Old Age?
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Apr 20, 2015 - 06:24am PT
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I think the question should be aren't. Parents overindulgent, overprotective, and over everything with their kids. Kids just doing what kids do. Just this weekend I made my kid earn his turns on a tele set up that included $10 skis, $65 boots and bindings he bought for himself for $125 so he had free pivot instead of the old free pit bulls I gave him. Should have made him use the old bindings so I could keep up.
Man was he pissed.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 20, 2015 - 08:21am PT
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Last night my cuz was relating her first visit to Rome when she was 16. She and the family
were shown around the Vatican Museum by the Asst Curator. Then he took them to the
Pope's apartments and let her take a pic of St Peter's Square from the Papal Balcony.
Waaay spoiled!
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 20, 2015 - 11:54am PT
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Thank God for spoiled kids. I just bought a $1600 mountain bike, less than a year old, for $600, 19 year old kid's sister bought it for him last year. . .kid needs it because he can't hold down a job. . .at Kmart.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Apr 20, 2015 - 12:05pm PT
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A couple of years ago, my (then) 22 yr old son called me one evening from Brooklyn. He is working for a moving company and trying to make it as musician/actor/producer in the Big Apple.
He said "After paying rent at the end of the month I didn't have enough money to get something to eat. I just got back from the subway where I played my guitar and sang for about an hour and made enough money to have a nice dinner. I just wanted to call and thank you for teaching me how to do that"
Warmed my heart, he's gonna be alright.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Apr 20, 2015 - 03:48pm PT
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The ex bf had a son he spoiled rotten all due to his guilt over his divorce. He just doled out money to the kid, oh 24 yrs old ain't a kid, anyway, the dad is ruining his son. The kid was allowed to drop out of high school and had never held a job.
He drives a Mini Cooper and has every kind of boy toys,which btw, he never uses.
Sad really cause it's not the kids fault it is the crappy parenting.
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Chantal Kayem
Sport climber
Maroubra
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Apr 20, 2015 - 05:44pm PT
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Hi, my name is Chantal Kayem and I am a child psychologist and parenting expert. I have written the book "Help! I've Created a Brat!" available from Amazon.com. I have done expensive research for my book and I can tell you that children these days are way more spoiled that when were growing up. One of the big reasons for this is because of the child-centered parenting movement. About twenty years ago, child experts took a major turn on their advice regarding how to best raise children. The focus became on raising happy children with a high self-esteem rather than well-behaved children, so much so that, for many, even the words “strict” and “punishment” have become dirty words in parenting.
These experts have focused on ways to make children feel good about themselves by giving them time, attention and praise. At the risk of hurting their child’s self-esteem, parents have been wrongly led to believe that they should not act like the person in charge or as an authority figure to their children. Parents have been encouraged to reason and talk things over with their children, to negotiate their way into solutions. Parents have been told that negative consequences or punishments lead to children feeling unloved, disconnected or badly about themselves. The result unfortunately has turned out to be a loss of power of authority and respect for parents. And children have become accustomed to arguing with their parents about any limits they don’t agree with.
Also thanks to this focus on child-centered parenting, today’s parents often worry that they will make a critical mistake that will damage their child for life. As a result, parents end up being hesitant and uncertain as to how to respond to their child thereby often backing down rather than correcting their child’s inappropriate behavior from fear that it may hurt their child.
Some parents wrongly believe that the more they buy their children, the better off they are when the opposite is true. The less children have, the more they appreciate what they have. In the same way that we could not appreciate sunny days unless we experienced rainy ones, children cannot appreciate what they have unless the experience not having everything they want.
Today’s parents often not only are giving their children too much but they are also expecting too little. Unacceptable behaviors are tolerated nowadays that would never have been tolerated when we were children. Children are rude, refuse to do their chores, or fail to complete their homework and receive little or no. And despite their poor behaviors and attitudes, many parents reward their children with the toys, activities and entertainment they desire.
Does Your Child Act Spoiled?
How many of these behaviors sound typical of your child? Your child often:
• Whines, demands, complains or shouts to get her way
• Pushes or argues with you to give-in
• Is ungrateful for what you do for them and often asks for or demands for more
• Tells you how bad you are when things don’t go their way
• Ignores or fails to comply to many of your instructions
• Pushes for explanations for your limits or discipline
• Accuses you of being unfair
• Speaks to you disrespectfully
• Does not seem satisfied
If many of the above behaviors are typical of your child’s, then your child is acting spoiled. The more of these apply, the more spoiled your child is likely to be. Regardless, don’t beat yourself over it, spoiled children are a common phenomenon of today and you are far from being alone. Solutions to how to turn these behaviors and attitudes around can be found in my book Help! I’ve Created a Brat! by Chantal Kayem available at Amazon.com
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Apr 20, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
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Best reply ever.
I thought LEB was dead.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Apr 20, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
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^^^^^classic. Classic. Classic.
I loved the 2nd chapter, didn't you?
Snicker poo coming out my nose.
If you read all the parenting books but are dyslexic do you get a pass?
Susan
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 20, 2015 - 06:29pm PT
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"Spare the rod and spoil the child".
My Southern Grandmother - all 85 pounds soaking wet of her could light your fanny up with a hickory switch like there was no tomorrow if you sassed or acted up.
As a result - not a one of us four kids would ever be caught dead throwing a fit in public. We were polite and respectful and accepted compliments and gifts with dignity and thankfulness.
Self esteem never entered the picture.
Self awareness and self control was our reward.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Apr 20, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
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^^^^School of Hard Knocks - FKNA Yes!
My old man taught me how to swim in the ocean by picking my 7 year old butt up over his 6'4" frame and tossing me into the waves off Myrtle Beach.
Floundered like a panicked rat for what seem like ages - but to this day I can duck dive a roller like a native!
Nowadays - I could instead tweet CPS and have the old bastid arrested for "abuse"... and still couldn't swim.
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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Apr 20, 2015 - 10:51pm PT
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My kid doesn't have those behaviors. I don't punish him . I think it's authoritarian bullsh#t. I don't punish my dog. There are merely actions and outcomes. My dog is perfect and so is my kid because I speak dog and I speak kid. If either behaves improperly it's because we haven't done the necessary work. Conveniently, each 'issue' is a teachable moment.
As you were. Carry on. That is all.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 21, 2015 - 07:52am PT
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I've done expensive research ..
Oh well if was expensive then we'd better value it. What are trying to do by giving it away in this thread - spoil us?
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 21, 2015 - 08:28am PT
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I think that we humans develop a simplistic perspective on causality. The kid is innocent - their behaviors are not their fault - t's the parents fault because of the way that the parents behaved towards them. The parents behaviors are their fault. One step of causality is as far as we can believe.
I think that if we had all of the information then we could add 90% and 90% and 0% and get 100%. But not having the information doesn't stop us from being 100% sure that our belief is true, and then acting on it.
We're humans. We believe stuff. Then we behave based on those beliefs. That's how we work. It's the best we can do. Same for our kids.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 21, 2015 - 01:37pm PT
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I don't know if they're spoiled, or not. But I sure see a hell of a lot of FAT kids.
I just drove past the Junior High. The kids were "running" laps on the sidewalk during P.E. class. A quarter of them - at most were running. The rest were just casually walking along. The ones walking, almost all of them were great big FAT kids.
When I went to the other Junior High in town, we had one FAT kid per class. I don't mean one FAT ass in each classroom. I mean there was one FAT kid in the entire Class Of '81 - out of a thousand of us.
Spoiled? I don't know. Maybe the kids would love to run around outside from sun-up to almost midnight, like we did, and stay skinny, but aren't allowed to by their paranoid parents.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 21, 2015 - 01:56pm PT
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Are you calling poor people dumb?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Apr 21, 2015 - 04:14pm PT
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DMT: You can call the boomers all sorts of things, but they certainly weren't spoiled - they were born into a prosperous world that their parents had fought and died for in WW II and, certainly naively, boomers assumed that it would remain this way forever. That said, they were (legally) regularly spanked or worse by their parents, were similarly punished at school and could be tossed into some kind of detention facility for comparatively minor offences like "having no visible means of support" and so on. Exercise was also compulsory at school. The drinking age was 21, and minors found in possession of alcohol were prosecuted.
Again, their sin was to assume that they didn't have to fight to defend the prosperity that they enjoyed as adults from its destruction by Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr.
Scrubbing bubbles: I assume that your evil comment was intended as a joke. It was a tasteless one.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 22, 2015 - 07:08am PT
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Bah humbug! Kids today are spoiled rotten! There is simply no hope....when the present crop become adults humanity will fade and the cockroaches will assume their rightful place.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Apr 22, 2015 - 08:01am PT
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I think my kids live in a much more competitive and uncertain world than the one I grew up in. I see it in their school, sports and in the too rapidly approaching future, college selection. So my kids have nicer bikes and other stuff than I had and get to do fun stuff I worry things are harder for them.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Apr 22, 2015 - 01:50pm PT
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DMT: Actually, you're right - I'd toss Maggie Thatcher in there at the top of the heap. There is, however, considerable evidence to date the decline of the middle class and the rise of the obscenely super-rich to the politics of these three - none of whom were baby boomers, by the way.
I also admit that this probably isn't the best place to discuss this stuff, and that there is buckets of room for debate. Probably heated debate :)
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Apr 23, 2015 - 12:02pm PT
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Maybe they are. Of course not the kids who are forced to become child soldiers (that's some F'd up shit) or make dangerous desert or sea crossings to escape poverty and/or war, etc..
Perhaps the parents who have the means to spoil their kids do so because buried deep down they feel guilty about the future of this world we are leaving them and their inability to do anything about it.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Apr 23, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
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Hi DMT: Yeah... any attempt to rationally discuss those days would probably be pretty close to hopeless.
Keep the faith.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Apr 28, 2015 - 07:15am PT
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maybe, but the really scary thing is their sense of entitlement; they believe they deserve whatever they want
teaching brave new world to a bunch of 10th graders and discovered a majority believe people are LITERALLY "created equal"; they were genuinely appalled at the idea that some people might be born less intelligent (i'm not talking about a mental disability, just a particular gift or lack thereof)...in other words, we're ALL alphas
thus, it really is "unfair" that some people are successful and others are not; if everyone is equal, then only a corrupt system can explain any disparity between status, wealth, etc.
oh, brave new world, indeed
we're doomed and only the zombies can save us...i'm afraid most of my students will end up on the buffet
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 28, 2015 - 09:13am PT
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Its true, people just have such wacky ideas about intelligence and how to measure who's alpha or equal or not equal. It used to be strength and speed and daring that made you unequal but now it's more about skin color and genitalia and intelligence. What's an unequal ADHD hunter going to do in a world that values farmers? Nowadays they'll just be classified as unequal by those intellectually entitled smart folks.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Apr 28, 2015 - 10:41am PT
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baltimore police should hire her
there's your answer...take the white cops out of the black neighborhoods and let black moms patrol the streets
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 28, 2015 - 11:51am PT
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Bunch of old withered bitter men bitching about "kids these days."
Same as it ever was.
Yawn...
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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More than a million souls are suffering.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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The black mom in Baltimore needed to discipline her kid from protesting the institutional racism that killed Freddie Gray so that he wouldn't also end up dead from our Institutional racism. In the old days the kid would have just been a slave. So good example, I guess that kid is more spoiled nowadays.
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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The phrase “spare the rod, spoil the child” is a modern-day proverb
that means if a parent refuses to discipline an unruly child,
that child will grow accustomed to getting his own way.
He will become, in the common vernacular, a spoiled brat.
The saying comes from Proverbs 13:24, “He who spares the
rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.
Rodless In Baltimore.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Are kids more spoiled these days?
I am.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Translated to the racial context of the mom disciplining her son, he's become a spoiled brat by not being a slave any more and growing up subject to the racial inequalities in lead exposure and poverty and learning his self indulgence of being frustrated and pissed by the way his life is constrained by our institutional racism and our unacknowledged white privilege, so his mom needs to discipline him to put him back in his place so that he doesn't get killed by our institutional racism. But sure, we're the noble altruistic unspoiled bunch and that spoiled kid is the problem.
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dirtbag
climber
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yes, those are the actions of ignorant spoiled brats
I'm not so sure about the "spoiled" part.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Oh my god.
Civil disobedience, mass peaceful protests, shutting down the city via month-long strike, mass arrests, working thru the courts....these actions get actual RESULTS
Scrubbles are you feeling ok bro? That was downright sensible...
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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Looting and burning primarily affects insurance companies and capitalist running dogs.
It creates construction jobs and puts much needed fear in the hearts of the fascists and oligarchs.
And , hell no, kids today aren't spoiled. We were spoiled by freedom and opportunity and we squandered it on pointless activities.
Kids today are scheduled like little automatons.
Their souls are grist for the machine.
Their natures stolen.
Their fearless anima broken to pieces of meek
to inherit a soulless world.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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My kid made the traveling soccer team a competitive achievement,
then yesterday over a 'sniffle' he did not go to his game, a state cup qualifying game,
that was important to his team that he show up and be counted.
Now today for a non cup game he says he wants to go - and I say he is sick and can not,
the wife and I at Logger-heads about this ...
she is not a jock, has never been on a team,
and says what goes on around her, everything, Well yes around her but also HERE!
She says what goes when it comes to the kids my input is noted,
My advice is only taken when I am 'right' and all other choices have been explored.
so now what? do I take a snot nosed lazy spoiled kid to his fun game ?
and what should I say to his coach and the other dads?,
he is a big kid, in that he is rock hard and other teams' kids bounce off him.
But the space is for kids that want to play and try hard at practice and can be counted on to show up.
For me my athletic make up was a blessing and a curse I had to develop skills and patience.
the kids to day . . .did I really just type that wow
okay so it is a streach to say that it is better today than say the late fifties, and again in the late sixties, in-fact the ends of the decades seem frought with fun and risk.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Here's some words to all you parents out there about your kids...
A few words, then some more words, and several words after that.
Hope that's helpful.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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PS
Grandkids are way easier, except by then they require of us much more energy.
Wait until they get their hooks into you though...ha ha ha!
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