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CF
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 29, 2015 - 01:46pm PT
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seems the original thread was closed? wouldnt let me post
the rock stacking and unstacking has been going on for years, funny to watch. last time some one destroyed the stacked rocks they threw a bunch in mirror lake, real smart.
here is how it looked today
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Mar 29, 2015 - 02:17pm PT
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Huh? I liked the topic, and the first thread grew like a stack !
I have for the last thirty years left stacked rocks where ever I go.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Mar 29, 2015 - 02:43pm PT
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That chick is always deleting posts she starts. Annoying.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Mar 29, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
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Sorry...Deleting entire threads is incredibly lame. It was a good subject matter for discussion. I regret putting any effort into threads around here because people keep freaking out and deleting 1000's of responses with a click of a button the second they don't agree with something.
I'm gonna go kick over some cairns now.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Mar 29, 2015 - 06:29pm PT
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!!!!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 29, 2015 - 06:58pm PT
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????
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Mar 29, 2015 - 07:42pm PT
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666111!!!
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Mar 29, 2015 - 07:46pm PT
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This is not Mirror Lake . . . what is the problem with some stacking? The trail to get to this site is an old mining road . . . talk about unsightly.
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thebravecowboy
climber
Greyrock, CO
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Mar 29, 2015 - 08:26pm PT
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!!!!ErrmMFG!1.6667!!
Wait a minute...So some people drove across the country, LEFT THEIR F*#KING COUCHES/STEEL AUTOMOTIVE CAGES and piled some stupid river rocks in a well-trafficked place? F*#K THOSE PEOPLE FOR GETTING OUTSIDE and touching the nature!!!!
not.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Mar 29, 2015 - 08:32pm PT
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This is serious busineth
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thebravecowboy
climber
Greyrock, CO
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Mar 29, 2015 - 08:34pm PT
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I AM FIGGIN PITHED HERE! THITH ITH NOTH FUNNY!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Mar 29, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
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I'm thertainly not going to let you back on my ledge if you keep thaying things that way.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Mar 29, 2015 - 10:03pm PT
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The first I ever saw this was on GIGAPAN ...
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 29, 2015 - 10:12pm PT
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My wife Merry will sometimes balance one rock somewhere in an impossible looking way.
One time she balance one rock down by the river.
It took her about an hour to get it to balance.
The next day the copy cats and imitators who can't balance a rock on a point put up several stacks in the surrounding area.
Monkey see monkey try to copy but fails .......
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 30, 2015 - 07:56am PT
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rock stack thread is a kool idea!
I didn't wanna post on the other thread anyway!!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 30, 2015 - 08:02am PT
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If there ain't any water around to knock that sh#t down w/in ~24 hours, knock that sh#t down.
And knock it off. It's not just your experience, and not everybody enjoys your 'art'.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Mar 30, 2015 - 09:09am PT
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Sometimes I do the ranger led hike called The Firery Furnace in Arches. It's an incredible maze of fins and unless you watch a video and sign all kinds of crapola you aren't permitted to do it without a ranger. They make a point that you are NOT to make any trail markers/cairns if you go in there on your own.
When doing the hike with rangers they gleefully knock down and scatter any cairns they come across. I've never been in there that there haven't been cairns to topple.
Susan
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Mar 30, 2015 - 10:16am PT
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oh man....this topic...is soooooooo last week!
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Mar 30, 2015 - 11:06am PT
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Who else just realized there are a lot more of these criminal piles of rock
littering the landscape. A blight on the land ruining the vistor experience.
Whats good for Mirror Lake should be a thousand times better
for Monument Valley.
Just anothern example of what happens when public servants get comfortable
surfing porn on their swivel chairs inside air conditioned visitor centers
with automatic coffee makers and boxes of donuts.
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c wilmot
climber
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Mar 30, 2015 - 11:13am PT
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Just anothern example of what happens when public servants get comfortable
surfing porn on their swivel chairs inside air conditioned visitor centers
with automatic coffee makers and boxes of donuts.
they have been removed by the trail crew in the past. The whole point of taking them down is that if you give tourists an inch they will take it a mile. Mainly- if you dont like the NPS waste of dealing with them- then dont build them and force the NPS to do something about it.
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CCT
Trad climber
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Mar 30, 2015 - 11:30am PT
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Are we arguing that Mirror Lake is a pristine wilderness destination, and putting rocks in a pile somehow mars the experience? If this were happening 8 miles from the trailhead, at a pretty little glacial tarn, I might agree.
But c'mon! Do we want to take all the fun out of faux-wilderness? Throwing the rocks in the lake seems a bit much.
I recall that there are some fixed ropes on the death slabs above that don't just change the look of the place, they change the fundamental nature of the experience. And NPS didn't authorize those either.
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c wilmot
climber
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Mar 30, 2015 - 11:36am PT
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Tourists have endless excuses for their actions. You would not believe how many people I had to tell to stop trundling rocks down the 4 mile/falls trail while working trails. And every time I told them to stop- I was met with dismissive indignation and an attitude that they had the "right" to act that way.
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CCT
Trad climber
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Mar 30, 2015 - 11:37am PT
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Agreed. I would much rather that folks pile rocks in place, than trundle them. Heck, I don't like it when climbers trundle rocks either, though I do appreciate a safe(r) route.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 30, 2015 - 11:43am PT
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"Do we want to take all the fun out of faux-wilderness?"
My fun in the wilderness (faux or not) involves seeing as little sign of other people as possible. YMMV, and therein lies the rub.
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CCT
Trad climber
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Mar 30, 2015 - 01:10pm PT
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Agreed, Apogee. I like my wilderness to look like wilderness too (though I don't mind that it doesn't act like wilderness. I'm happy with the SAR helicopters, cell phone reception, and lack of local grizzly bears). But anything on the floor of Yosemite Valley is far, far, far from wilderness. If folks want to stack some rocks, and other folks want to knock them down, it's all fun and games between consenting adults.
But permanently altering the game by throwing the rocks in the lake though. That's just not playing fair.
Look, from a land management perspective it's better to concentrate human uses in a single place, then to spread them thin throughout a region. Even occasional use on a climber's trail has wildlife impacts that are not always obvious. I'd rather that Yosemite Valley be managed as a giant wilderness-esque playground, than that people feel compelled to go somewhere obscure and hidden to do something benign like stack rocks. Most importantly, visitors should enjoy their experience, including that magic moment when they balance the top rock, so they go home and vote "Yes!" on whatever conservation bill crosses their local ballot.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 30, 2015 - 01:15pm PT
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I find it ironic that the rangers could be knocking down cairns to the haunting
background strains of rumbling Harleys - so quaint and wildernessy.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Mar 30, 2015 - 01:19pm PT
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My fun in the wilderness (faux or not) involves seeing as little sign of other people as possible.
then you should never, ever be in the vicinity of mirror lake.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Mar 30, 2015 - 01:47pm PT
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 30, 2015 - 02:22pm PT
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couchmaster
climber
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Mar 30, 2015 - 03:06pm PT
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Sierra Ledge Rat spake thusly: "On another note, I can say that back in the 1990s I was almost shot by National Park Services rangers for knocking over a cairn. Seems that they were quite enraged by my housekeeping activities. They pulled out their guns, had me on my knees and were threatening to execute me out there in the wilderness.
It wasn't a pleasant experience. "
This must be what is known as the full employment act? They get pissed if you get caught stacking them and they get piss if you steal their job of later knocking them over themselves. If something needs to have something done to it, just leave it alone and let the government do it.
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couchmaster
climber
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Dec 12, 2017 - 03:08pm PT
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C Wilmot said: "they have been removed by the trail crew in the past. The whole point of taking them down is that if you give tourists an inch they will take it a mile. Mainly- if you dont like the NPS waste of dealing with them- then dont build them and force the NPS to do something about it."
Job security C. The Mirror Lake stones are @ 15 feet from the road. I like the feel of the place. I notice that folks get read quiet when they walk amongst the stones.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 12, 2017 - 08:11pm PT
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How dey do dat? Anybody knock 'em down?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Dec 13, 2017 - 12:42am PT
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One of the few times I've balanced rocks. At balancing rock at Arches NP. Pretty fun spot where all us tourons can set them up. And I'm sure they all get knocked down regularly for reuse.
Actually that's probably the cycle in many places like mirror lake. Someone has fun stacking them and this allows someone else to righteously knock them down. And the cycle repeats.
This one really looks like a duck!
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