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couchmaster
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 25, 2015 - 10:41am PT
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You Californian's. Such a diverse group you are. Ballot proposal was filed, needs signatures. Here's some sample text, could you imagine being gay and reading this? HoLeeFuk. "The People of California wisely command, in the fear of God, that any person who willingly touches another person of the same gender for purposes of sexual gratification be put to death by bullets to the head or by any other convenient method." ""This law is effective immediately and shall not be rendered ineffective or invalidated by any court, state or federal, until heard by a quorum of the Supreme Court of California consisting only of judges who are neither sodomites nor subject to disqualification hereunder."
Wonder what the point of that is? Is it to put free speech as in issue up to the light, or California's ballet measure system. Couple of links:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/24/california-ballot-measure-to-kill-gay-people-exposes-bigotry-congested-channels/?intcmp=latestnews
http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/sodomite.asp
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa
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Mar 25, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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Well f***ck my ass, ain't that somethin'? Speakin' of asses, there appears to be no mention of donkeys or sheep. Breathe easy if you are one of "them".
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mar 25, 2015 - 10:49am PT
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Makes complete sense to me. All the anti-gay hysteria has made such astonishing nonsense inevitable. And this moron has a law license?
One good thing may come of it. The rabid gay bashers will have to come out of their closets to hand out flyers and stand on street corners waving signs. I plan to take lots of photos.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 10:50am PT
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You know your satire's good when it gets people this angry.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Mar 25, 2015 - 11:05am PT
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Thus why democracy is really really bad. Good thing we are not one.
We are a constitutional republic with representatives chosen by their ability to attract sponsorship. No democracy involved.
Well almost none...The California ballot initiative system being a notable exception.
Goofy
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 11:19am PT
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When trolling and the legislative process intersect...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 25, 2015 - 11:28am PT
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F*#k those as#@&%es. Wait.....BWA HA HA hahahahahaaa!!!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 25, 2015 - 11:50am PT
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"Wonder what the point of that is? "
Some jerkoff's attempt to get attention via a completely pointless but attention-grabbing effort.
It made it to ST...it musta worked!
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Mar 25, 2015 - 12:10pm PT
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Government should not allow laws that make the gays have to buy $500 bullet
proof helmets just to safely go outside. Next thing they'll be making
everyone buy healthcare. Crazy.
Perhaps this would-be law is a clever way to sell more ballistic helmets now
that the wars are over? I mean never underestimate the military industrial
complex to drum up business.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/02/20/testing-bulletproof-helmets-the-russian-way/
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John Burns
climber
Pothole, Utah
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Mar 25, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
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anything involving a quorom of insane white, elder males (eg the ST demographic) I am in favor of.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
And here's why: you want aggro-in-public homos? You want public-carry gay dudes in nut-cups at the post office? ok, sure, pass the law. I suspect that those fellows might shoot back.
EDIT: As if the pseudo-phallus .50 strapped to the leg of my fellow ice-cream buyer in AZ was not a cry for help...
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Mar 25, 2015 - 10:46pm PT
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The laws of men and their religious and corporate gods are as worthless as the paper they are written on. Homophobia exposes homophobes as being afraid of being more homosexual than any homosexual could ever imagine. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Same sex and other sex people and their farm animals just want to be left alone. Religions and governments are disorganized criminal organizations almost as powerful as organized crime syndicates. If you can't beat them, get some farm animals. Farm animal lawyers are as crooked as a dog leg but more valuable than a three legged pig.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Mar 26, 2015 - 06:42am PT
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The disadvantage of living in a free society. Even the lowest life forms are free.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Mar 26, 2015 - 06:46am PT
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I recommend a healthy dose of Raisin Bran.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa
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Mar 26, 2015 - 09:15am PT
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The dishonorable Matthew McLaughlin, Huntington Beach.
The Sodomite Suppression Act has also now drawn a response from activist Charlotte Laws, who planned to file her own ballot initiative Monday called "The Intolerant Jackass Act," according to Slate. The Intolerant Jackass Act would require anyone who proposes a ballot initiative calling for gay people to be killed to attend one year of sensitivity training and donate $5,000 to a pro-LGBT group. From Slate:
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Mar 26, 2015 - 09:48am PT
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I'll sign that one lol..Screw good governmental practices. Let's try and sentence the prick at the polls!
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 26, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
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Maybe the best response would be to ignore him?
Dude has gotten far more press over this than he deserves. The age old advice to "Ignore the trolls" applies here.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 26, 2015 - 02:24pm PT
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This is how a shithole state becomes even more of a shithole state.
Meanwhile, up here in the Happy Land of Gay Weed - Arlene's Flowers of Richland WA just lost their lawsuit to discriminate against gays in Superior Court. The court ruled that their denial to sell flowers to two long term customers for their wedding was a clear violation of Washington's anti-discrimination law. I'm really not sure what their defense was, but, needless to say, it hasn't worked for them so far.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Mar 26, 2015 - 02:47pm PT
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Wait, I'm confused. Is everyone, here and elsewhere, being extra-meta and satirically angry at the satirical law filing, or are people actually angry?
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Kelly Morgan, Whitefish MT
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Mar 26, 2015 - 02:52pm PT
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Is everyone, here and elsewhere, being extra-meta and satirically angry at the satirical law filing, or are people actually angry?
Yes.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 26, 2015 - 03:23pm PT
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Nearly half the states still have same sex marriage bans.
Indiana just passed a law legalizing discrimination based on sexual preference.
Yup. Actually angry for realz.
But hey, it's only 20 million or so people we're talking about here.
What's the problem?
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Mar 26, 2015 - 08:39pm PT
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And people here in the USA complain about Sharia law, when they're trying to pass their own version of Sharia
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John Burns
climber
Pothole, Utah
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Mar 26, 2015 - 08:54pm PT
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^ yep, this is effectively the same thing as Nigerian law...which is like waaaaay DECAF sharia.
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couchmaster
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2015 - 10:42am PT
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Looks easy said: "Wait, I'm confused. Is everyone, here and elsewhere, being extra-meta and satirically angry at the satirical law filing, or are people actually angry?"
Not angry so much, but confused, offended and disturbed. If it was satire, why pitch what sounds like an on the spot execution? Exactly what's the point of that? Cause it would be deeply disturbing if I was a target of an official sounding automatic death threat, and thus I am offended for those whom are targeted by this. Hopefully he gets no more than one mentally disturbed persons signature and not the 365,000 needed to get it on the ballot.
*HOWEVER*, given some of Mark Dice's satirical videos (see below for sampling), where what appears to be otherwise intelligent people act super dumb and sign petitions they shouldn't, I'd question the mentality of Californian voters and the outcome of this ballot measure given these supposedly satirical vids that are mostly playing for laughs.
Given this quote below, I suspect that the guy is serious.
"The Chronicle reported that he suggested adding the King James Bible as a literature textbook in California public schools in 2004 because of its "rich use of the English language."
Some more on Mark Dice and his horrific satire as it relates to California. He has a bunch, not sure these are worth watching as I didn't sort them out, but here ya go.
First up:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Then
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Finally:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mar 27, 2015 - 10:49am PT
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Maybe the best response would be to ignore him? Unfortunately there are enough armed bigoted whackos out there this could incite murder.
I did say "whackos". I'm certain most armed bigots wouldn't go so far. It only takes one.
After all this arsehole is both a legislator and an attorney licensed by the bar. He's got "bona fides"
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Mar 27, 2015 - 10:58am PT
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If it was satire, why pitch what sounds like an on the spot execution?
Because that's exactly the type of extreme absurdity that satire often uses?
Google's definition:
sat·ire
ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/
noun
the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
But I suppose bitd people thought Swift was being sincere also...
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 27, 2015 - 10:58am PT
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Same sex marriage bans and OK-to-discriminate laws ARE sharia - they are 100% religiously justified, motivated, and funded. There should be zero tolerance for any form of sharia in the United States. That's not what were about - according to the Bill of Rights.
If you think they're not serious, try imagining having the State inform you that you are banned from ever being married. Good luck visiting your SO in the hospital, working out custody of your children after separating, or passing on your estate to your surviving spouse or children without a bankrupting tax bill. Imagine the State telling you that you cannot bring your spouse into the country if they are from somewhere else.
Or, imagine if you WERE married, then moved to another State, and that State told you "No, you're not. Not anymore."
Yup, this kind of thing pisses me the fk off.
But I'm doing something substantive about it.
Are you?
The problem with this CA assclown is that the assclowns elsewhere, including right on this forum, think this is the some total of a 'non-problem - just libruls whining again 'bout nothin'' - even when half the states still ban same sex marriage today. Should he be ignored? Yup. Should we fight to eliminate the real problem? Yup.
It's really not that difficult to put yourself in someone else's shoes, even if they are...gulp...eeeewwww...gay.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 27, 2015 - 11:01am PT
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"Legislator," "attorney"......bona fides? Not really.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Mar 27, 2015 - 11:04am PT
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I agree that discrimination based on sexual orientation is wrong. Which is why I find this petition hilarious.
At least people's blind outrage appears to be sparking some dialogue (which I suppose is actually the goal of satire).
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 27, 2015 - 11:06am PT
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'Blind rage?'
Um...no. Again, it's not about this assclown. He doesn't matter.
It's about the real problem, and that problem is huge.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Mar 27, 2015 - 11:08am PT
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Are you mad at his petition, or are you mad at the laws he's attacking?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 27, 2015 - 11:31am PT
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I'm I not being clear enough here?
I don't give a rip about this petition. It's real discriminatory laws on the books that I do something about.
The 'this isn't Nigeria' comments are illustrative of the attitude that is part of the problem - that is really is no problem.
There is, it's huge, it's not what we say we're about, so let's do something about it.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 27, 2015 - 11:47am PT
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Step one might be to concentrate on making our own marriages better.
The Bible Belt gets the worst report card in the nation in marital statistics.
Preacher, heal thyself.
Anyone who's been there knows marriage can be tough.
It's a lot tougher when it's banned, though.
Perhaps we need the following Constitutional Amendment "Please keep your nose out of other people's asses"
Anti-nasal-sodomy Clause?
I'll start a petition.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Mar 27, 2015 - 01:32pm PT
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Anti-nasal-sodomy Clause?
I'll start a petition.
LMAO...I'd sign that petition.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 27, 2015 - 02:30pm PT
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WTF is nasal sodomy? Reminds me of the FMJ quote "he so tough he eat the boogers out of a dead man's nose."
Anyway, Americans have made great strides in tolerance, but we have way further to go.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 27, 2015 - 02:33pm PT
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Mar 27, 2015 - 03:07pm PT
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I thought the title said:
California Rap bolting proposal filed "sodomite Suppression Act"
Wrong thread, carry on.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 27, 2015 - 03:32pm PT
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For decades, people in California have voted to take other people's money by force. This is only a natural extension of that.
Once you start taking property from people, it's only a small step from there to take someone's life.
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John Burns
climber
Pothole, Utah
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Mar 27, 2015 - 03:35pm PT
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The 'this isn't Nigeria' comments are illustrative of the attitude that is part of the problem - that is really is no problem.
Tvash, I think you may have misinterpreted my statement. My point is that this is near-Sharia crazy, sinking us to the lows of some of the most f*#ked-up countries in the world.
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couchmaster
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2015 - 04:13pm PT
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Chaz posted -quote: "For decades, people in California have voted to take other people's money by force. This is only a natural extension of that. Once you start taking property from people, it's only a small step from there to take someone's life."
If it's true that a lot of taxes are taken by "force" (and that's not just California is it?), then shouldn't it follow that the government should already be whacking people left and right? Are you arguing that we are heading that direction.......??!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 27, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
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This thread is funny.
zBrown doesn't know that a donkey IS an ass and what he posted is a mule (and a beautiful one).
And StahlBro posted a photo of what looks more like a jenny than an ass.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Mar 27, 2015 - 06:32pm PT
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Just please don't paint "Christians" with this brush.
As a Christian, I find the proposal outrageous and embarrassing to the cause of Christ. This is NOT a theocracy, and "Christians" that want it to be should know better!
So sorry.
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couchmaster
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2015 - 05:18am PT
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There has to be a couple Billion Christians in the world madbolter1, I don't think anyone is painting all of them with the same brush that God used to create the guy who started this ballot measure.
On the other hand.....LOL (sorry, I won't go there)
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 31, 2015 - 06:44am PT
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It'll never get on the ballot.
I know a guy who circulates petitions ( for cash ), and as of yesterday, he hadn't heard of it.
Unless The Pros are gathering signatures, the chances of an initiative making the ballot are next to zero.
This is just being done to punk Kamala Harris - and it's working.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 31, 2015 - 08:26am PT
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LOL. This is what I get for speed reading.
It's true, no petition stands a chance without paid signature gatherers. In a state like WA, you can expect about 5% of your petition signatures to be gathered by volunteers. The required signature formula is a percentage of the number of peeps who voted in the prior gubernatorial election, so it increases with population and voter turn out (which is very high in WA because we have the most convenient, inclusive, and tamper proof voting system in the nation - mail in).
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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Mar 31, 2015 - 09:47am PT
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Is tossing the salad on the list?
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Mar 31, 2015 - 10:58am PT
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If we're to believe the statistics, a percentage - higher than you might think - of straight doods favor the girl's arse over the Sanctioned Port of Call. What are we to do with those sodomites? Or is a female fair game for any kind of fiddling, while the man-ass is a regular killing field, according to this proposed "legislation."
I have never made even the slightest effort to further gay rights, which is my fault, but I've followed the rhubarb in a casual way and have noticed some interesting and patiently silly myths and psychological games that keep masquerading as truth, even now.
First, normally intelligent people, who in all other things defer to the experts and to those who work in a given field to draw their conclusions - all this goes out the door with the anti-sodomite crew. The only authority is centuries-old religious texts, and all other evidence is dismissed as stuff simply made up by man. When pressed about a gay person, notice how you will NEVER find a gay basher who will admit that homosexuality simply, normally and naturally occurs in the modern world. Sure, there are people practicing homosexuality, but these people are sinners who are deluded about their true nature. True nature is straight - meaning there is no such thing as a natural born, "God-created" gay. No such animal actually exists. Just us straight folk who have been hoodwinked by screwy impulses, weed, gay porn, negro music and lack of discipline. In this way the anti-sodomites dodge any meaningful discussion about the topic by insisting that in reality, there are no legitimate gay folk to begin with. That's called denial.
The second angle is one we see trotted out by anti-free soloing groups and individuals, who tell us they cannot sanction any no-rope work lest they give the wrong impression and might, quite by accident, encourage behavior that can potentially kill an unwitting climber. Of course there is absolutely no evidence for this deadly-influence model being anything but a concept. Free-soloing is self-policing by virtue of the sh#t-producing terror of getting off the deck on hard ground.
Likewise, the notion that people straddling the fence per their sexuality are "encouraged" to get after that bung hole by dint of gay marriage and so on - well this is nothing more than scare tactics. All anti-sodomite sentiments do is keep people closeted. They don't have the power to change or otherwise "corrupt" a person's natural-born tendencies.
Lastly what makes any of it my bid-ness? Or yours? Lest you are furthering freedom and diminishing shame, you're not doing humanity proud, in my opinion.
JL
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 31, 2015 - 11:34am PT
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It's all of our bidness because, at roughly 6%+ of the population, homosexuals do not have the numbers to secure their equal rights. If you're not doing anything, at the very minimum voting, you're part of the problem. No different than standing around watching your neighbor's house burn down.
Pretty much a modern redux of the Civil Rights movement (which is far from over, of course). Same idiot rhetoric, same basic principles.
I was 8 years old when the last miscegenation law was repealed in the US.
Between 2004 and 2007, 21 states passed same sex marriage bans - many as constitutional amendments.
We can do better, but that's a lot harder if half the population won't lift a finger to help.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 31, 2015 - 11:53am PT
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"Between 2004 and 2007, 21 states passed same sex marriage bans - many as constitutional amendments."
That was consistent with President Obama's position at the time. Obama has only very recently *evolved* his own beliefs, and he's pretty damn liberal.
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
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Mar 31, 2015 - 11:55am PT
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If we're to believe the statistics, a percentage - higher than you might think - of straight doods favor the girl's arse over the Sanctioned Port of Call. What are we to do with those sodomites? Or is a female fair game for any kind of fiddling, while the man-ass is a regular killing field, according to this proposed "legislation."
I have never made even the slightest effort to further gay rights, which is my fault, but I've followed the rhubarb in a casual way and have noticed some interesting and patiently silly myths and psychological games that keep masquerading as truth, even now.
First, normally intelligent people, who in all other things defer to the experts and to those who work in a given field to draw their conclusions - all this goes out the door with the anti-sodomite crew. The only authority is centuries-old religious texts, and all other evidence is dismissed as stuff simply made up by man. When pressed about a gay person, notice how you will NEVER find a gay basher who will admit that homosexuality simply, normally and naturally occurs in the modern world. Sure, there are people practicing homosexuality, but these people are sinners who are deluded about their true nature. True nature is straight - meaning there is no such thing as a natural born, "God-created" gay. No such animal actually exists. Just us straight folk who have been hoodwinked by screwy impulses, weed, gay porn, negro music and lack of discipline. In this way the anti-sodomites dodge any meaningful discussion about the topic by insisting that in reality, there are no legitimate gay folk to begin with. That's called denial.
The second angle is one we see trotted out by anti-free soloing groups and individuals, who tell us they cannot sanction any no-rope work lest they give the wrong impression and might, quite by accident, encourage behavior that can potentially kill an unwitting climber. Of course there is absolutely no evidence for this deadly-influence model being anything but a concept. Free-soloing is self-policing by virtue of the sh#t-producing terror of getting off the deck on hard ground.
Likewise, the notion that people straddling the fence per their sexuality are "encouraged" to get after that bung hole by dint of gay marriage and so on - well this is nothing more than scare tactics. All anti-sodomite sentiments do is keep people closeted. They don't have the power to change or otherwise "corrupt" a person's natural-born tendencies.
Lastly what makes any of it my bid-ness? Or yours? Lest you are furthering freedom and diminishing shame, you're not doing humanity proud, in my opinion.
JL
This.
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