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skitch
climber
East of Heaven
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Mar 24, 2015 - 07:38pm PT
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Don't know, but I've enjoyed his books in the past.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Mar 24, 2015 - 07:40pm PT
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I love his work, but really Mirror Lake? Much of his work is ephemeral....pictures please.
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skitch
climber
East of Heaven
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Mar 24, 2015 - 07:41pm PT
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I kinda don't give a sh#t about such things, but I know someone that will spend all day knocking cairns over. Whatever makes you feel superior I guess.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Mar 24, 2015 - 07:56pm PT
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I dare say this is not his work:
He is a master (much thanks to photography):
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 24, 2015 - 08:00pm PT
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I'm not a fan. Not as destructive as tagging, obviously, but it is still someone leaving their personal mark on a natural landscape.
Been seeing similar stuff in my local 'hood lately- it's becoming 'trendy'. I knock 'em down...which sometimes takes a little while, because there's lots of 'em.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Mar 24, 2015 - 08:02pm PT
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^The old return to nature movement, eh? Got any photos of your aftermath that can be Goggled?
As Rodney Ninow, U.S. Citizen and National Park preservationist always said.
Rock stacking is most definitely vandalism. Our national parks have been set aside by Congress to preserve the landscape as it was, is and (hopefully) always will be… natural. Rock stacks are anything but natural. They are a blight on the landscape and do not belong on our national parks.
As John Muir said: “As long as I live, I’ll hear waterfalls and birds and winds sing. I’ll interpret the rocks, learn the language of flood, storm, and the avalanche. I’ll acquaint myself with the glaciers and wild gardens, and get as near the heart of the world as I can.”
I see nothing in there about stacking rocks.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Mar 24, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2015 - 07:57pm PT
Like I said, above, this is obviously NOT Goldsworthy's work, it was just a turn of phrase.
My guess is he'd object to the phrase :^)
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skitch
climber
East of Heaven
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Mar 24, 2015 - 08:16pm PT
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 24, 2015 - 08:20pm PT
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I merely grovel in his great shadow......
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james Colborn
Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
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Mar 24, 2015 - 08:27pm PT
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Easily spent an hour making our own imaginative stacks that day. Fun stuff. Then off to the meadow!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 24, 2015 - 08:31pm PT
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eKatStackMama!!!
I miss you girlfriend!!
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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Mar 24, 2015 - 08:34pm PT
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James are you in the Valley ?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 24, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
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Anything to bump an eKatStackMama thread. My favorite gal on supertopo, ever.
Is it bitchin' that I made those gawdamn stones look like they're glued up there or what??!!
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Mar 24, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
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include Chris Drury
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james Colborn
Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
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Mar 24, 2015 - 08:49pm PT
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I wish I were in the Valley. photos are from last october. Best Week Ever!
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Mar 24, 2015 - 09:17pm PT
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Rock Stacking along West Cliff in Santa Cruz
I have such mixed feelings about it when I see it out in the wilderness.
Susan
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Petch
Gym climber
knapsack crack
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Mar 24, 2015 - 09:38pm PT
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The Rocks in question!
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Mar 24, 2015 - 10:04pm PT
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My position on the balanced rocks at Mirror Lake is "evolving." Since we adorn the Ahwahnee Hotel, Pohono Bridge and other human creations in the Sacred Valley, why not finally these minor and more temporary creations of art of our time? It's an old parking lot, right? I'm all for restoring Yosemite's natural ecosystems. Letting an old Mirror Lake parking lot become a special place for a very benign but beautiful form of human art at this special, sacred place seems very appropriate and acceptable. Balance on!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Mar 24, 2015 - 10:04pm PT
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I saw a sign at the Mist Trail trailhead about "Eco-Graffiti". Apparently it is the latest form of "natural narcissism". Unacceptable
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-Moss-Graffiti-1/
Along the lines of rock stacking is spelling out ones name in hillsides or other prominent location. Went into the Amboy Crater in December and found some obnoxious graffiti on the bottom (you can see the heart in the white area). Seeing more of this lately in the Grand Canyon
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Mar 24, 2015 - 10:14pm PT
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I suspect Yosemite Institute was the original culprit.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 24, 2015 - 10:28pm PT
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TMJesse nails it.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mar 24, 2015 - 10:36pm PT
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In Yosemite or real wllderness it's like a dog pissing on a tree. "I was here and I'm hot sh**t"
Really more like a dog shitt*ng in the trail as no one can help but step in it.
Like a Mandala, do the right thing and destroy it when you leave. Your karma will be at peace.
Letting an old Mirror Lake parking lot become a special place for a very benign but beautiful form of human art at this special, It's in the now dry Tenaya creek bed.
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Brian
climber
California
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Mar 24, 2015 - 11:11pm PT
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I wouldn't spend a whole day at it or anything, but when I see those I knock 'em down: Mirror Lake, the trail to Yosemite Falls, the entrance to the Narrows in Zion, and so on and so on. Don't like 'em. Really dislike them when the proliferate to such an extent, so I'll generally spend a bit of time knocking some over. Happy to chat, very reasonably and respectfully, to folks who ask why I'm knocking rocks down and spreading them around rather than piling them up. And, no, I'm not enough of a jerk to knock down towers in front of the people making them; but when there are so many it's easy to be taking down a few while others are piling up a few. Again, I never waste too much time at it, but I'm happy to detour to pull a few down. I'm even happier to be places where this sort of nonsense has not caught on.
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 12:07am PT
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In your own backyard, knock yourself out. In a public or ostensibly "wild" place, I knock 'em down. I definitely go out of my way to knock 'em down. Gotta nip that sh#t in the bud. Apparently it's highly contagious.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:12am PT
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knocking them over, particularly dispersing the rubble, strikes me as something sisyphus might find engaging. that or throwing sticks for a pack of retrievers
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 25, 2015 - 09:17am PT
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Yosemite was raped long ago, by things much worse than a few stacked rocks.
Why don't we tip over and disperse the hotels, roads, stores, restaurants, gift shops and the like?
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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Mar 25, 2015 - 09:26am PT
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zbrown, that looks like lower yose falls area. not a big fan at all when i see them in yosemite, especially since they are now all over half dome.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mar 25, 2015 - 09:29am PT
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Stacking rocks in a river is slightly different. Next time the water gets high they are gone. IF the water ever gets that high again.
I was up at Mirror Lake 18 months ago, 2014 Facelift trail cleaning. I went around the lake from the Death Slabs to the Werner's Crack slide.Those stacks weren't there at the time. All of those have been put up sometime since then.
A new Facelift job? Why not since we're getting less trash every year?
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Mar 25, 2015 - 12:23pm PT
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When I come across stacked rocks I usually take it as a sign that I am not far enough off the trail.
But sometimes I'm wrong.
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c wilmot
climber
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Mar 25, 2015 - 01:38pm PT
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A waste of taxpayer money and NPS time.
In 2012 the NPS trail crew in the valley spent a few days removing all of those stone statues near mirror lake- literally spending thousands of dollars to do so. Apparently they have cropped up again. Please do not make silly statues in our National Parks that the NPS has to remove at cost
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 01:39pm PT
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How does that Gravity Glue or Keystone Balance even work?! I look at that and it's remarkable. I can't imagine what sleight of hand or witchcraft is required to do such things.
Personally, I don't find the occasional balance stacks objectionable. They're interesting, non permanent and will topple soon enough. I liked the photo of a ratty rap anchors as a contrast.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 25, 2015 - 02:48pm PT
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MH2, that's an awesome column!!
Yo eKatNonCommitalMomma, you haven't said where you stand?
Maybe some of these hippy artists would like some rocks stacked into their keesters???
Maybe some concession folks would like some cash registers stacked into their keesters?
Maybe some climbers would like some bolts stacked into their keesters?
Maybe some Rangers would like some squad cars or loudspeakers stacked into their keesters?
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 03:47pm PT
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You wouldn't have liked being on Kauai last week....
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 03:49pm PT
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How do you feel about this??
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 25, 2015 - 03:52pm PT
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 03:54pm PT
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Stacking doesn't bother me - it's usually done where tons of people gather so if I have to "enjoy" the moment starring at a hundred tourists, then I welcome a diversion of cairns.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 03:59pm PT
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Which is worse to you; stairs or stacks?
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 04:05pm PT
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get a broom....?
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c wilmot
climber
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Mar 25, 2015 - 04:06pm PT
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Which is worse to you; stairs or stacks?
Those rock stairs have a functionality- they keep the erosion level down from the tourists constant use and keep the trail stable and free from mud. They also are not washed out by heavy rains and keep the tourists from short cutting the trail which causes damage. And sometimes they cover up slick slabs of rock that cause people to slip- or shore up the rock walls above them.
Those silly cairns on the other hand have no purpose. They cause the NPS to spend money to remove them. Create a hazard by being on the trail both as a means of stepping on and if they trundle down the hill as most trails in YOS switchback. Mainly they are pointless. If you want to build em- then knock em back down- leave no trace.
Sorry for the rant- but after years of trailwork in Yos for the NPS I had to comment
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Mar 25, 2015 - 04:12pm PT
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One of the absolute mellowest guys I know goes off like a Roman Candle when he sees cairns. It's like all his frustrations are bottled up then released when he see cairns.
I just knew we have met before!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 04:12pm PT
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I used to stack rocks just enough to make a toilet seat after digging a hole. At some point I learned to just squat over the hole to save the effort. So I'm done with stacking.
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Mar 25, 2015 - 04:38pm PT
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Cairn Kicking Climbing Club - Gilroy, Chairman
At some point they become monuments and I give up picking away at them. So build them high, wide and Goldsworthy.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 05:15pm PT
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Despite my earlier post about liking the artful rock balancing (provided it's not everywhere), I don't like cairns adn I don't like the randomly stacked rocks, like the ones around Mirror Lake. Occasionally cairns have their place, but more times than not I spend a lot of time just kicking them over because they're everywhere, next to a really obvious trail, or simply mark the poor path some other person took. On a rest day, a buddy and I climbed Mt. Hoffman and we spent probably as much time knocking over cairns (all next to an obvious, well trodden use trail) as we did hiking.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Mar 25, 2015 - 05:35pm PT
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I like to balance them on my head, ala Eliza Doolittle.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Mar 25, 2015 - 05:40pm PT
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but I know someone that will spend all day knocking cairns over.
Ahem.
That would be me.
On another note, I can say that back in the 1990s I was almost shot by National Park Services rangers for knocking over a cairn. Seems that they were quite enraged by my housekeeping activities. They pulled out their guns, had me on my knees and were threatening to execute me out there in the wilderness.
It wasn't a pleasant experience.
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Gene
climber
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Mar 25, 2015 - 05:56pm PT
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I hope this fad quickly passes. Just another form of tagging as far as I'm concerned. Tread lightly out there my friends.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Mar 25, 2015 - 06:00pm PT
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Stackers . . . not slackers.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Mar 25, 2015 - 06:16pm PT
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Cairns don't bug me.
They make great subjects. If i saw a pile of them like that, i would probably have fun throwing rocks at them to knock em over.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Mar 25, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
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Are these rock statues bolted into the surfaces they're on??
From the Yosemite National Park archive. (Ranked #33 of 71 Attractions)
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
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Thou shalt not pile rocks without adult supervision
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Mar 25, 2015 - 06:51pm PT
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The amazing Chris Booth, stone artist from Kerikeri New Zealand. Met him in a remote anchorage on New Years Eve 2007 and became an instant fan.
http://www.chrisbooth.co.nz/
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 25, 2015 - 06:57pm PT
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Leave no trace.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Mar 25, 2015 - 07:03pm PT
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Indeed Bruce...
Not exactly wilderness is it?
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Mar 25, 2015 - 07:13pm PT
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These stackers were not hackers.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 07:16pm PT
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Trails & roads - part of the normal NPS Preserve & Enjoy conflict / compromise.
Trail cairns - they are nice when it's dark and I'm not sure which way to go.
Artistic cairns - they seem out of place in the "wilderness", but it's not really a wilderness. Bolts seem out of place sometimes, too.... Campfires sometimes, too.
All are ways to "enjoy" the public land; they have some impact, but maybe not too bad.
How about littering? I have a semi-crackpot theory that some people may do it, because they like the idea that "public servants" will be serving them for a change? Bruce and I have found several stashes of empty beer bottles / cans near Pinnacles trails. The people were able to pack the full bottles in, but they didn't pack the lighter empties out? Another factor could be the old teenage attitude that they can break the rules and get away with it.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Mar 25, 2015 - 07:17pm PT
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Stackers . . . not whackers.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Mar 25, 2015 - 07:28pm PT
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John Muir, beginning rock stack or masquerading as Sisyphus?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Mar 25, 2015 - 07:29pm PT
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Ain't no mooseturd pie here, just LIFE. Founder of the Yosemite National Park. Dissing nature? As American as Apple pie.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:05pm PT
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Kalimon that scene would make me crazy.
I would happily spend my whole day knocking over every one of those god damn rock piles.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:19pm PT
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Good catch Clint! You're an observant fellow.
Wonder what the rat will be doing on the other six days.
I read the news today oh boy
Four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire
And though the holes were rather small
They had to count them all
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:27pm PT
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zBrown - I have a childhood background in this! :-)
At the old family beach cabin, this fake postcard was on the wall for decades:
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:31pm PT
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A conspiracy, eh? Teddy snookered Groucho into the act.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:42pm PT
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Any "cairns" set out in the backcountry of Yosemite should be knocked down; old Mirror Lake Parking - who cares! If that gives people a connection to protecting the Park and other areas, that is good and worth the impact, perhaps.
And, for those that believe the Yosemite Wilderness is trammeled, I do not believe such will be true in my lifetime, if ever; and, I'm not old yet.....Tell where and how you disagree, and I'll tell you where you need to check out to dispel the myth.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:53pm PT
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Urban wilderness...I much prefer being in places untouched by humankind.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 08:54pm PT
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for those that believe the Yosemite Wilderness is trammeled I don't believe the wilderness is gone in Yosemite.
But I don't consider areas next to a developed trail or road to be wilderness.
To me, wilderness is where you don't see any (NPS sanctioned) human constructions.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 25, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
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Clint, why is Half Dome considered wilderness when the cables (which would be tacky in Disneyland) are still firmly attached? Half Dome (like Cerro Torre) is a singular expression of natural granite architecture and deserves much more than having pitiful human architecture affixed to their flanks.
Yosemite, unfortunately, is the paradigm example of noxious human intrusion into a natural cathedral of profound importance.....Japan could do no worse if it existed there.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 09:13pm PT
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I agree - Half Dome cables are not wilderness.
Somebody is using too simple a definition (like "200' above the valley floor").
Any human construction negates the natural definition of wilderness.
The temporary, unsanctioned constructions like cairns and fire rings are actively removed by NPS and other folks.
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KeyStone Balance
climber
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Mar 25, 2015 - 10:04pm PT
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Wow this has really stirred some serious debate. While I feel there is a vast difference between "stone stacking" and "stone balancing", It's not even fair to compare the two. My balance work "Keystone Balance" was mentioned in a previous post by a supertopo member with whom I have no affiliation. I felt obligated to post my thoughts in hopes of educating both climbers and "stackers". I proudly serve as VP on the Southwesten Pennsylvania Climbers Coalition. Our mission is protecting the rights of climbers in our beautiful and mostly unknown climbing areas here in Pennsylvania. I've been climbing about 20 years and continually promote and develop climbing for all to enjoy. Leave no trace is part of the mission I've developed in climbing as well as stone balancing (barring legally placed anchors and trail building at the request of local park services). Any balance I create within State Parks are dismantled if still up when I've finished photographing at the end of the day. I believe all rules should be followed by all when on state and national park land. While all of you may not agree with my artistic practices, I challenge you to find any of my work outlasting any of your chalk use or impact produced by climbing. I'm lucky to see my balances last any longer than a few hours before being fully reclaimed by nature. I accept that chalk and bolts are part of most modern climbing, but I assure you that my balances last far less than any impact that climbers impose on the land just by being present. I support both activities and feel that most "stacking" is nothing more than a semi-permanent disruption of nature and personally dismantle it as well when not on private property. Although many climbers may not want to recognize their impact on land and believe that we truly "leave no trace", this is hardly the case since many climbing areas are popularized quickly hence creating impact at otherwise true natural areas. It's the job of any individual to make as little impact on the environment as possible regardless of activity. Please be responsible, respectful and help preserve the natural resources we share.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 10:09pm PT
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Many humans have an innate desire to create, often to create things that have no utilitarian function. This latter we often call art. The rock stackers are participating in that urge. Part of me really likes that aspect of it. It fulfills something for them and in some way connects them to their environment, but that doesn't mean it does anything for others. So it's that age old conundrum of where does your pleasure intersect my displeasure, like people who smoke in public places.
But it sure would seem a bit much to try to regulate it. I guess if you don't like them enough, you can just knock them down.
I don't particularly enjoy the examples pictured at Mirror Lake, not because they impact on "Nature", but because they are such poor "art". I've seen a fair number of Andy Goldsworthy in person and they always take my breath away. They enhance the natural environment and never feel apart from it. I like Christo too but his stuff is composed of manmade materials and exists in juxtaposition to nature, not of it, and you wouldn't want it to be there forever. Whereas with Goldsworthy, you can just see his stuff staying in place until it falls apart and returns to "natural".
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KeyStone Balance
climber
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Mar 25, 2015 - 10:21pm PT
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Scrubbing bubbles dude... What about your impact just by walking into your local crag? You're actions are no less significant than mine.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Mar 25, 2015 - 10:50pm PT
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Keystone Balance - thanks for sharing.
I didn't realize yours were temporary and removed after getting the photos.
Makes all the difference.
Other stackers/balancers like at Mirror Lake need to learn from your example.
(Although to be honest, I am not expecting wilderness trailside at Mirror Lake).
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 25, 2015 - 11:00pm PT
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Knock that sh#t down.
And knock that sh#t off.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Mar 25, 2015 - 11:08pm PT
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Hey, Jim C,....Sweet seeing a picture of your son...What a beautiful face..
Cheers..
Nita..
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Mar 26, 2015 - 06:16am PT
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gleefully erected
I know the feeling. Tax fun and regulate it.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 26, 2015 - 06:38am PT
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It's ok eKat I still luvz ya!
I don't hate the hard core trail work at all, I love the trails of Yosemite.
My point was merely to bag on the whole idea that people are spoiling pristine with some stacked rocks at Mirror Lake. They're not made out of oil, or pavement, or glass, or plastic.
Yosemite is a special place and deserves protection to be sure, but there are much uglier things happening on the valley floor, in my view.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Mar 26, 2015 - 06:39am PT
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Clint, why is Half Dome considered wilderness when the cables (which would be tacky in Disneyland) are still firmly attached? Half Dome (like Cerro Torre) is a singular expression of natural granite architecture and deserves much more than having pitiful human architecture affixed to their flanks.
Yosemite, unfortunately, is the paradigm example of noxious human intrusion into a natural cathedral of profound importance.....Japan could do no worse if it existed there.
Uh oh, the cables are going to get chopped. "Free Half Dome" bumper stickers for $5.95, T-shirts $12 each. Save the Dome!
Disneyland has got absolutely nothing on The Valley. Measles and hantavirus, waiting in line to get in the park and for your favorite rides, concessions, rescue on call if you get stuck on your ride(El Cap). Characters in costume.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Mar 26, 2015 - 07:27am PT
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Like some folks have stated, if the stacking is in a river or on a rocky shoreline, I don't really see an impact issue. Out in the forest.. not such a great idea. Goldsworthy's work is beautiful and temporary.
The official stance from the LNT folks is to actively discourage random stacking. Like graffiti, it encourages others to do the same. People start wandering farther to find new rocks, creating new access trails spidering out from the site, trampling foliage and disrupting small habitats unnecessarily.
Edit to add: Although I was initially ambivalent about stacking when I started reading this thread...upon further reflection... I'll place myself firmly in the camp of cairn-topplers (when it comes to forested areas.) It's better knock them over. Even if they get rebuild them, it diverts people from foraging for new building materials.
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c wilmot
climber
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Mar 26, 2015 - 10:28am PT
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To reiterate the park service spent several days in 2012 taking out those rock piles near mirror lake. Half of the Trail Crew I was on was assigned the task along with some volunteer group. They literally used a dump truck to haul the rock piles out of there (with the hope of making it harder for them to be re-created).
What would you rather the NPS trail crew do? Create better access to the wild for both tourist and SAR- or have them removing pointless rock stacks that are not allowed to begin with?
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Mar 26, 2015 - 10:36am PT
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For f*#ks sake. Climbers crying over stacked rocks. Why do I post here, again? Lol and lulz.
Edit: No offense Kath. Guess it's more worthy than explosive diarrhea. By all means have at it.
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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Mar 26, 2015 - 10:56am PT
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Solved it. Park Servicers can hang signs showing stick figure human
kicking over rock stacks.
Signs solve everything. Just ask the government.
Move along to next crisis.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 26, 2015 - 11:50am PT
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eKat, I think you touch greatly upon the conundrum.
What is the harm? People connecting to the natural world, in whatever bizarre way that they start doing. Maybe they get tired of stacking, and look around occasionally, as they are catching their breath?
There has been this shift, which I suspect has gone too far, of separating humans and human activity, from nature. 6 inch holes rubbed into rocks by Indians is ok, because that was the way it was, but stacking unaltered rocks is not, even though that is the way it is? I'm not sure I see the logic of the difference.
Ultimately, I think Parks are about making a connection, and allowing non-harmful things that do that, should be carefully considered.
Using a trail crew that way is shameful, in my book. If it were my crew, I'd walk off.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Mar 26, 2015 - 12:22pm PT
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The Mirror Lake road seems to be open to vehicles with handicapped plates, too.
I've seen a couple of such vehicles up there.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Mar 26, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
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There has been this shift, which I suspect has gone too far, of separating humans and human activity, from nature. 6 inch holes rubbed into rocks by Indians is ok, because that was the way it was, but stacking unaltered rocks is not, even though that is the way it is? I'm not sure I see the logic of the difference.
The difference? A handful of native Americans vs. 4 million visitors a year? I can see the difference.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Mar 26, 2015 - 02:14pm PT
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i spoze it's too late to number the rocks and assign orange suited community service perps to hand out fliers with the key to proper placement a la milton bradley puzzle box lids
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Mar 26, 2015 - 02:57pm PT
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Yea I'm with TMJesse too. The first time I saw them I was mildly annoyed but that quickly evolved to mildly charmed. If the ephemeral pleasure of stacking rocks is someone's connection to wilderness, that seems like a good spot to cultivate it.
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Rayman
Trad climber
pa
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Mar 26, 2015 - 05:16pm PT
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... someone needs to grab that Keystone Balance guy and "wack his pee pee"...!!...
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Mar 26, 2015 - 08:56pm PT
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Seriously?
You pompous azzholes are debating the relative natural purity of stacking f*#king rocks atop one another?
What - your cable is out and you can't watch SpongeBob?
I'm sorry for being a Grumpy Cat - but I've just spent three weeks dealing with a family member with a stroke and a close friend going through a job loss - and I come here for comic relief and find THIS is the HOT F*#KING TOPIC of the WEEK?
Fuk!
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