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Steve Rathbun
climber
Outer Lurkistan
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 20, 2015 - 11:04pm PT
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curious...
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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Mar 20, 2015 - 11:18pm PT
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Um? The impending apocalypse of exploding population running smack into the ecological limits. Hard to dissect when the options are frack water or dying of thirst.
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ECF
Big Wall climber
Ouray, CO.
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Mar 21, 2015 - 06:10am PT
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There is only one environmental problem.
An aggressively invasive non-indigenous species has displaced many indigenous species to the detriment of the ecosystem as a whole. When it has run it's course, it will toxify the environment past the point of it's ability to adapt to it. Only when it is fully dead, can the biosphere truly start to rebuild.
Sorry if some pedophile, or incense waver told you differently.
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Floorabove
climber
The Gunks y'all
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Mar 21, 2015 - 07:34am PT
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ECF sums it up nicely.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 21, 2015 - 08:42am PT
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Bolts.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 21, 2015 - 08:45am PT
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The average person burns a lot of fossil fuel in pursuit of climbing.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Mar 21, 2015 - 08:49am PT
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ECF for the win. I have not contributed to furthering the problem.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 21, 2015 - 09:08am PT
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Water.
Water.
Water.
WAAAATTTTTTEEEEERRRRRR.
"An aggressively invasive non-indigenous species has displaced many indigenous species to the detriment of the ecosystem as a whole."
You talkin' to me?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 21, 2015 - 10:07am PT
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There’s a lot of noise pollution at the crags these daze…
“C’mon man, go for it! You’ve got it!”
“No! Left hand up first! Get the finger lock then step up the right foot. Do the spinorama, clip and yer done.”
“Hey.. Keep the rope tight, I don’t want to have to do that part again.”
“This is so rad! I can’t believe I did that!”
“Damn, I did this before no problem. These shoes suck!”
“No worries man, I’ve got you!”
“Falling!”
“Oh man, if you can hear me squeeze my finger!”
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mar 21, 2015 - 11:00am PT
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idiot politicians bought off by venal Capitalists. All of whom should Bloody Well Know Better.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 21, 2015 - 11:10am PT
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Rampant chalk use, and spewing.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 21, 2015 - 11:32am PT
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Rampant chalk use, and spewing.
Yeah, and growing up climbing-by-the-dots only to be gobsmacked by the utter unworldliness of it all their first time on a line with no chalk (or tape) - I mean, how exactly the f*#k do people even do it?
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Mar 21, 2015 - 11:48am PT
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The fact that big chem & super pharma, are guilty of gutting federal EPA standards and given time we will be bathing in Schit.
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c wilmot
climber
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Mar 21, 2015 - 11:51am PT
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Any synthetic gear is made out of oil. Ropes/harnesses for example
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 21, 2015 - 12:00pm PT
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As stated above - human population is the pretty much the only environmental problem that really matters over the long haul.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 21, 2015 - 12:02pm PT
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Re: Overpopulation.
I have been on this bandwagon for 50 years, and I think it underlies most environmental problems.
That said, I think most people do not appreciate what has happened, which is a DRAMATIC drop in fertility rates worldwide, where the average number of children/woman has dropped from about 6 to less than 3.
This translates into a plateau of the number of children at about the current number of 2 billion. The projected number in 50 years......is 2 billion.
Here is a great 10 minute TED talk on why this is, and the documentation:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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The Call Of K2 Lou
Mountain climber
North Shore, BC
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Mar 21, 2015 - 12:17pm PT
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Chalk up another vote for the planet being overpopulated.
Please remember to spay or neuter your humans.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Mar 21, 2015 - 12:23pm PT
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Anti human ist s
The facts do tend to prove we are an invasive detriment to the balance of things.
Where can we make the most beneficial changes? China limit, no more births in unsustainable regions? Who would be the arbitrator ?
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Mar 21, 2015 - 12:33pm PT
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Toilet paper.
Growing up in North Idaho I saw great forests mowed down just to wipe our asses.
We need to figure out a better way.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 21, 2015 - 12:45pm PT
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"High infant mortality= High population growth"
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SweetWilliam
Boulder climber
TheSand,Man
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Mar 21, 2015 - 01:34pm PT
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For climbing prolly the climate change. Ice and moutain stuff will be pretty dangerous and maybe not even form alot of the years.
For rock stuff, the seasons will be different, and some of the desert stuff may not see hard routes done because the temp is never low enough. Then everyboy tries to go where conditions are good, and trample all over the alpine and destroy it.
As a person though concerned about a point of no return on the warming. But maybe there is a mass die off before from disease ro crop failing or war over what is left of the food or water.
"Toilet paper.
We need to figure out a better way. "
Well, you got a beard, come on over here and I use it.
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Flip Flop
climber
salad bowl, california
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Mar 21, 2015 - 04:17pm PT
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Shitting in the Drinking Water won't last.
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Mar 21, 2015 - 04:44pm PT
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Catastrophic climate change, and the inability to do much about it, largely because of the power
that corporate interests wield over the vast majority.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Mar 21, 2015 - 04:48pm PT
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Stupidity and ballessness.
In the end we all die.. So sorta I don't worry much about it.. Only sad thing is we don't all die together so.. due to stupidity and ballessness lots more will have to cry about it than are at all necessary.
The planet itself? the environment itself?.. will carry on.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 22, 2015 - 10:01am PT
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Cow farts.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Apr 22, 2015 - 10:03am PT
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Apparently Williamson Rock is at the top of the list.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 22, 2015 - 10:06am PT
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Spider....a better way is to wipe with your left and eat with your right.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Apr 22, 2015 - 10:16am PT
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Donini: I think the "problem" would be solved quicker if everyone wiped with their right, and ate with their right!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 22, 2015 - 12:20pm PT
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"Toilet paper.
Growing up in North Idaho I saw great forests mowed down just to wipe our asses."
Well, the wankers are trying to recycle it...they wipe their arses, then leave it scattered around the wilderness...
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 22, 2015 - 12:38pm PT
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I'm relieved. When I read this thread title I thought the OP was saying that climbers are the Number One Environmental Concern, rather than asking what we saw as the biggest concern.
After reading the 39 preceding posts, I think Jean Paul Sartre got it right in Huit Clos:
L'enfer c'est les autres.
John
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 22, 2015 - 12:58pm PT
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merde
Yes, we have met the enemy and he is us.
That said, it still bugs me when otherwise ethical friends eat non-sustainable sushi only to use the excuse that because they don't have kids they are not part of the problem.
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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Apr 22, 2015 - 01:56pm PT
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They aren't making new mountains anymore. At least not fast enough.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 24, 2015 - 07:51pm PT
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My main environmental concern is for us parents' children. The hypocrisy of parents' children complaining about other parents' children - that's just part of who we human parents' children are. The rest of the environment is number two on my list.
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Poloman
Trad climber
Anna, Il
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Apr 24, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
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Human overpopulation. No one ever wants to talk about it.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 24, 2015 - 09:32pm PT
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that super awesome of you to pick up all that liberal trash TEA.
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