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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Mar 11, 2015 - 09:54am PT
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"Oh caveman :* I could never be mad at you...."
OK....take the wind out of my sails! :)
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Mar 11, 2015 - 10:08am PT
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Hey!
I was up at four am and saw this post go up.
I hesitated to say
I DJUTTS
My wife and I agree,
And I echo mouse,
SUMMER SCHOOL ! !
No pitches for you!¡ take away their shoes.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Mar 11, 2015 - 10:24am PT
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Verizon runs on cdma. Att is gsm. In some places one or the other will not work for 911.
Dingus.. Im freakin rollin. Excellent epitaph.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 11, 2015 - 10:31am PT
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'stochasticity'
You made me look, Mike.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 11, 2015 - 10:40am PT
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The folly of youth.....
I have told my friend.... "Heal Up... Stay Strong"
He said "Thanks, see you at Stoney in a couple of months"
The young lad walked out of the hospital Tuesday nite...
a much wiser man.
Quazamoto.... thanks for helping out.
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couchmaster
climber
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Mar 11, 2015 - 11:39am PT
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There once was a lad named stochasticity
Who's climbing was so fast it was pretty
He passed by some bolts
while watching birds molt
and now he languishes, sadly....a pity
Heal up !
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Mar 11, 2015 - 12:48pm PT
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If there's one thing we oldtimers all probably share, it's an appreciation that emulating our early climbing careers would be good training - if you survive.
Glad to hear this fall resulted in so little damage, compared with what could have been. I hope he heals up quickly.
John
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 11, 2015 - 12:56pm PT
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That sucks!
Ur supposed to have fun day at echo..
glad he is alive..
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Mar 11, 2015 - 12:59pm PT
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JEleazarian how true.
This kid has had good training. He's a good kid that let his ego get the better of him.
Best to you M. Heal well & fast.
Glad he's mostly OK.
Thanks Quasimodo.
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Brian
climber
California
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Mar 11, 2015 - 01:13pm PT
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I was one of the "trained" folks on scene. Just a point of clarification: neither I nor my partner are trained EMTs. I have an expired WFR and she has a very current WFR.
Glad to hear that things look OK for the victim. When he was hauled up we (my partner, I, and the SAR folks) were pretty sure he also had a pelvic fracture. We also thought there might be broken ribs. And of course, with the lacerated scalp there was lingering concern about a head injury, though the victim remained responsive and lucid throughout the ordeal. If these suspicions--other than the broken back--turned out not to be the case, so much the better.
Echo is sketchy, though I love it as a training resource near the city. Got to be careful out there. Helmets are a good idea, especially for the belayer. There are also some VERY sketchy hooks/anchors out there from people TR dogging the anchors. (I try to avoid that and TR only on my own gear; but even my partner and I did one TR lap on an anchor after I lowered without clarifying whether or not she intended to climb the route again.)
Be careful out there folks. Best wishes for a full and speedy recovery to the victim.
Brian
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jstan
climber
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Mar 11, 2015 - 02:25pm PT
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Pardon me while I take a break from my taxes.
He's a good kid that let his ego get the better of him.
Ego is not the only way to explain this behavior. As a noobe I soon recognized there are states of endorphinization allowing one to assume immortality. It was a self-apparent decision point; one to be consciously avoided.
Later observations of other people suggested many of us start with a risk budget that can be expended either on a single climb or over the course of many years. When fully expended, the climbing years are ended. Granted, alpinists may not have such a budget.
A story in this vein. In 1969 I stood alongside Lester Germer watching a young man solo Ken's Crack as his very first climb. The broken rocks at ground level would have left little of him recognizable, had he fallen. After he had just barely made it, Lester muttered "Someone has GOT to do something." That he was impelled to comment is remarkable if you know who Lester was.
Lester volunteered and flew combat missions over Europe in WWI. He survived and after getting his Doctorate in Physics he did the work demonstrating electrons are simultaneously both particles and waves. Work that Einstein relied upon to guide his own thinking on the matter. At an advanced age and after having someone's crampons implanted into his back he trekked around Everest. Every once in awhile we meet people who can be considered to be "Sources." Lester was such a source and I was struck that even sources can feel helpless, as Lester felt at that moment.
We all are helpless. As a result I resolved at that moment never to fear failure whenever the goal justified the risk. Climbing is just play so nothing in my climbing ever justified real risk. But there were other later decisions that did, and Lester had prepared me for them.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 11, 2015 - 02:29pm PT
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Attention Young People: Please stop scaring the old people!
Can't be done!
It's what young people do, and what old people do.
Remain young and you won't be scared anymore .....
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Mar 11, 2015 - 02:54pm PT
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All EMTs should be qualifies to do emergency vasectomies in cases where there is a clear need, such as this one.
Just kidding, I hope the guy recovers fully. Scary!
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perswig
climber
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Mar 11, 2015 - 03:01pm PT
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In case nobody has said it yet, props to the initial first responders and to the Ventura crew that lifted him so quickly.
Dale
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Mar 11, 2015 - 03:12pm PT
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For all you young dad's an mom's out there just wait until your kids start climbing on their own! Despite all your best instruction they will make decisions you'll hear about later that will scare the shIt out of you, leaving you wondering where did I go wrong?
Scaring old people is part of the program. Glad to hear the young man is OK.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Mar 11, 2015 - 04:33pm PT
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I have a nurse friend who worked in triage in emerg. Occasionally people like this guy would come in.
She would annotate the chart TSTL - too stupid to live.
or as my cavin' buddy Dick would say, "There ain't no accountin' for stupid."
I figure if you are going to be this stupid, it really pays to be lucky.
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Yafer
Trad climber
Chatsworth, California
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Mar 11, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
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Hey Mr. P, I never thought you were old...
Mr. M and J, let's learn from this one...see you soon at the crags.
and Mr. B or Bruce (the only one with a full name!) thank you for aiding in the rescue of my friend Mr.M.
I've been reckless, high with confidence..and I have the scars and healed fractures to prove it!
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Mar 11, 2015 - 09:08pm PT
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I have a nurse friend who worked in triage in emerg. Occasionally people like this guy would come in.
She would annotate the chart TSTL - too stupid to live.
That applies to all of us, no?
Glass houses and all that. I can't believe climbers are posting stuff like this. There but for the grace of god...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 11, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
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I'm with you in principle, Gary, but there sure seems to be a magnitude more of stoooopid out there these days.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 11, 2015 - 09:20pm PT
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Mr. M is a moron. His age is probably coincidental....he will likely be a moron at 44, 66 and 88... should he live that long.
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