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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 28, 2015 - 08:32pm PT
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These dipshits may wanna rethink the whole "leave no trace" thing a little bit. Doing this? Lame. Taking pics of it?! F*#king lame. Posting it in on the internet to advertise their business?! Felony stupid. Stay in the f*#king gym, mmkay? This is an advertisement for their "InsideOut" program, where they apparently charge $300.00 to instruct gym people how to behave outside. Nice.
These guys:
http://www.momentumclimbing.com
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chill
climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
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Feb 28, 2015 - 08:37pm PT
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Its even worse than we thought. There are no cracks in their gyms.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 28, 2015 - 08:39pm PT
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From the Moment climbing website.
**Couples Membership: You and your partner must be romantically involved and living at the same address. Proof of residence may be requested during membership enrollment. One of the spouses/partners must be the buyer. Roommates who live together do not qualify.
What am I missing? Does this not mean the romantic relationship has to be consummated with a momentum employee in attendance???????
Climbing has gotten way rad strange.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 28, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
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Using a Subaru with a rocket of as a cheater some at Ibex.. For shame!!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
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A Subaru plastered with their logo and web address and sponsors, pulled right up to the base of the Red Monster, one of the best single boulders in America and a place where impact issues have been snowballing for years. Shrewd.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Feb 28, 2015 - 09:03pm PT
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Way Homo!
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David D.
Trad climber
California
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Feb 28, 2015 - 11:54pm PT
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That's a bummer. Their gyms are actually really nice and have great cracks. Maybe they got infected with the conservative craziness of UT.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2015 - 01:30am PT
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Their gyms are actually really nice and have great cracks
Damn son those photos make that gym look like a purgatory. Post-apocalyptic wasteland of malignant factory replicants. Good god man.
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Dickly
Social climber
KY
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BITD or 10 years ago or so the old rusty car that was sitting around at boulder #1 had "GYM CLIMBERS SUK BIG DIK" scratched into the rust.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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HEY, we should get a vehicle with a SUPERTOPO brand wrap!
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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old climbers think that thier sh#t stinks even less than old surfers.
i saw a bunch of old tadsters burning pallets in hidden valley campground. better start a thread...
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2015 - 09:48am PT
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Burning pallets in HVC has was standard issue long, long before you were born, kid. If you don't get why this is odious you're part of the problem pal.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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It's all good if there just happens to be a fire road at the base of the crag, right BVB?
;)
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Burning pallets in HVC has was standard issue long, long before you were born, kid. If you don't get why this is odious you're part of the problem pal.
standard issue so its all good bro!!!!
thank you for making my point
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2015 - 10:02am PT
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It's all good if there just happens to be a fire road at the base of the crag, right BVB?
Hell yeah Big Mike but why are you using a rope on that boulder problem?!
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Hell yeah Big Mike but why are you using a rope on that boulder problem?!
So he doesn't damage the truck if he falls?
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Cause those guys are pussies.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Big M it aint...
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WBraun
climber
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Hell yeah Big Mike but why are you using a rope on that boulder problem?!
So he doesn't damage the truck if he falls?
Hahaha ..... too funny
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jeremy did fall! Lol. Almost took out the back window of the canopy.. Lol Justin said it shielded him from some kitty litter too..
Admittedly not the smartest setup, but a sweet photo none the less. ;)
The full scene
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Belaying out of the truck, crag dog, bright colored shirts, radio blazing some techno beat, sport climbing. F*#king gym climbers!
Will say that the tailgate was the best spot for a belay beer ever.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Let's be realistic......gym climbers who start venturing outdoors aren't going to try to leap over the intimidating "approach" hurdle on their first forays. Gradually, one hopes, they will try climbs further and further from the car. Some, but not many, will eventually do climbs NOT EVEN VISIBLE from their car.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Is that what running it out means?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Will say that the tailgate was the best spot for a belay beer ever.
Hell yes.
Let's be realistic......gym climbers who start venturing outdoors aren't going to try to leap over the intimidating "approach" hurdle on their first forays.
Can you tell I started out as a gym climber Jim? ;)
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Burning pallets in HVC has was standard issue long, long before you were born, kid. If you don't get why this is odious you're part of the problem pal."
Yep, that's about right.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Momentum owns and operates next generation climbing gyms in the Salt Lake area along the majestic Wasatch
Good luck with this type of business.
Maybe those people will get a taste of what should be done by reading this thread..
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2015 - 12:06pm PT
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And now our gymtards are doubling down on their stupidity. They've tried to scrub the internet of every photo, and this non-apology on twitter is classic. It's amateur hour at the damage control center.
They actually expect us to believe that these guys carefully considered the impact of the car driving hundreds of feet off-road and sidling right up the the red monster like it's a f*#king parking garage? Jesus what a bunch of offensive f*#king as#@&%es.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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they don't give a sh#t
same thing at Stoney point with all the meet up.coms
there..out for the $$$$$
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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They actually expect us to believe that these guys carefully considered the impact of the car driving hundreds of feet off-road and sidling right up the the red monster like it's a f*#king parking garage? Jesus what a bunch of offensive f*#king as#@&%es.
Uh......yea. They sound like they have absolutely no idea what the difference is between the impact of walking up to the rock, and driving their car up to it. Plants or no, the vehicle has a much greater chance of busting through the hardpack surface. They acknowledge that just going the spot has an impact, yet cannot see that driving is far worse. On top of that it sends the message that it is ok to do what they did (to others that don't see the difference). IT would be far better to admit that they fu#ked up and said that the whole deal was a bad idea. That would show some integrity and the ability to learn from one's mistake; A plus in my book.
LNT is hard enough as it is without backing a vehicle over it.
Chris
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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I don't think you did, I thought Mike almost hit it on TR.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Haha! Jeremy! Sorry to ruin your good reputation. My bad. It was indeed i who almost broke the truck.
That's why you guys are here... Lol
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Yes this is clueless but where is it on the cluelessness scale compared with those guys who cut down the tree at the base of their route in Tahoe, the guy who rapped El Cap with GooglyMoogly and had to get rescued, and people whose dogs lie on your rope when you are climbing? I think a bit of quantitation would be useful.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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bvb...... face it.
the times are a changing, gyms are popular... just yesterday I went to the OC mega gym... Sender one... Yapher and I stood out.... Tan, Fit, and enjoying the EZ ratings and styling on 5.10... the place was packed with maybe 100+ climbers, boulderers and MILFs .
there are millions of climbers in training, in the gyms.. right now
What WE do will be important.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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In the interest of full disclosure...I'm a member at Momentum, largely because the Millcreek gym is 5 minutes from my house and I got a good deal. As gyms go, it's pretty stellar, though frequently very crowded.
And having been to Ibex many times over many years...the area around the Red Monster is hardly pristine wilderness. It's already highly impacted, and more than one ladder has been leaned up against that side to clean holds and check out topouts. I doubt the Subie actually did(or could do) much damage in that area.
That said, I'd agree it was an irresponsible act, and particularly as a promo photo. If they are trying to show gym climbers the right way to treat the outdoors, that's pretty much 100% the wrong message to send to a crowd that won't know any better. And contrary to that message exchange above, I'm kind of doubting they thought it through very well.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2015 - 02:35pm PT
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Of course gyms are popular, they were popular 15 years ago when I lived in SLC. Gosh, I even had a gym membership at Rockreation. The problem here is not the popularity of gyms; it's that these maynards thought it would be OK to do this in the first place. Adding insult to injury these are product placement shots. Any idiot who has ever been there can tell you this is bad form. Of course, irresponsible product placement at Ibex is nothing new. I, too, am guilty.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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I visited their gym once, in Sandy. Nice place. I think that they had a wall of cracks, but I cannot see it in their web photos. If my memory is right about this, no one was any where near the cracks.
What's that big boulder doing in their parking lot?
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Pushing for the Marlboro or Carhartt sponsorship there Bob?
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2015 - 02:55pm PT
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Men I'd Like to F*#k.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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bubbles... care to elaborate?
you know the place??
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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this place will accept those climbers who want that car next to em!
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chill
climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
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the deeply underground Utah gay scene
Not that underground. Remember Sen. Larry Craig? He had to hold a press conference to assert that he was, in fact, a manly hetero.
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c wilmot
climber
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Larry Craig just has a "wide stance" while sitting on the john...and a spastic leg issue...
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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the deeply underground Utah gay scene
Not that underground. Remember Sen. Larry Craig? He had to hold a press conference to assert that he was, in fact, a manly hetero.
Hey, don't burden us Utards with Larry Craig. He was from Idaho.
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crankster
Trad climber
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You don't really start producing immense quantities of testosterone until you climb outdoors.
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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I agree that climbers need to be more sensitive to environmental issues, and even how it appears whether or not there is actually impact. It was a poor decision.
However, the labeling and homophobia are uncalled for. Jeff Pedersen has done a lot for climbing in Utah. In addition to establishing hard routes (both sport and trad) he really extended himself to find financing and build quality gyms. He's created a nice, family-friendly environment and simply the best training facility around. He conducts himself with the utmost integrity and is always friendly and encouraging. I'm lucky to be able to climb there with people like Jonny Woodward, Steve Petro, John Bald, Merrill Bitter, Gordon Douglass, Doug Heinrich -- hardly climbers that need to "go outside to find their testosterone."
Unlike California, we have winter. We enjoy climbing and the gym give us a good opportunity for climbing, camaraderie, training, and just good fun. Why all the hate?
I wish the moderators of this site had less tolerance for bigotry. The comments about "gay" are completely inappropriate. Scrubbing Bubbles what are you -- 12? Comments about race, ethnicity, sex, or sexual orientation are not funny, and could be hurtful. If we could rid Supertopo of those who insist on making these comments it would be a much more enjoyable place.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I find the word "gym" in the thread superfluous, but "some" essential. Some climbers act as if they're irredeemable. As someone very old in the tooth as a trad climber, who happens to enjoy gym climbing, too, I've seen enough boorish behavior outdoors long before gyms hit the scene.
I just hope that calling attention to inappropriate behavior (and avoiding our tendency to paint with a mile-wide brush), we can create sufficient moral suasion to cause those who use the outdoors to act with care for the rock resource and the others who desire to use it.
John
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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I've seen enough boorish behavior outdoors long before gyms hit the scene.
second that!
Unlike California, we have winter
we get a little winter!
However, the labeling and homophobia are uncalled for. Jeff Pedersen has done a lot for climbing in Utah
did you forget what forum your at? Supertopo old grumpy people post here so much Chris Mac has big problem with it..
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Paul Martzen
Trad climber
Fresno
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I am still trying to figure out what the OP outrage was about. Is it the car parked next to the boulder or the person climbing on the boulder or that the boulder is blocking the view, or that boulderers are using crash pads, or????
Outrage tells us that you think something is important, but it does not specify what you think is important. I would appreciate an attempt at a clear explanation in the OP. BVB, would you please edit the OP and better explain what you find offensive about these photos.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Who you callin old and grumpy, you young whippersnapper? lol!
I am still trying to figure out what the OP outrage was about. Is it the car parked next to the boulder or the person climbing on the boulder or that the boulder is blocking the view, or that boulderers are using crash pads, or????
it has to do with leave no trace some ancient desert stuff.
yes crash pads are just as destructive...
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Paul, I think he's mad that the car drove from the dirt road across different dirt to the dirt by the rock.
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Vagicil on aisle four. Everybody could do a little better with minimizing traces in the wilderness
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2015 - 03:39pm PT
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Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words. See that "loop road" that goes around the Red Monster? And all the blown-out denuded land around it? Right. It was not there the last time I climbed at Ibex. It's recent. So this is the problem. Climbers did it. With cars. So, you know, there's that.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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way lame...
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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bvb... I get what your saying...right now there is a big field of fresh Boulders up in the desert.... a few of us know about it. We get together and talk about "when will we let the world know." Many of US say "no way", at first I was one of the "spread the word opinion" but now i'm all for keeping mum.
The place is so pristine with no LEO presence at all. Im afraid that lazy climbers would not walk the 1/8 mile to get to them and instant roads would get laid down all over the place, crushing the landscape.
Its the first time I have wished for some ranger control.
First time for everything.
The title of this should be "More Proof That Some Climbers Are Beyond Salvaging" .... no need to spear Gym climbers, lots of CLIMBERS are clueless.
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