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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 27, 2015 - 05:01am PT
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It was certainly a beautiful day up at Lovers Leap yesterday but hey being able to climb there in February is just plain crazy.....damn this drought.
At the end of the day we walked up to Surrealistic Pillar to do one last pitch to be greeted by this just off the deck:
Further up the trail at the base of the Groove another tall tale sign of sh*theads:
The planet is sick and so are some people......damn those bastards, what a shame.
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norm larson
climber
wilson, wyoming
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Feb 27, 2015 - 05:13am PT
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That sucks. Too many rats in the cage.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Feb 27, 2015 - 05:38am PT
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I'll be damned. The only good argument for rockfall that I've ever seen.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Feb 27, 2015 - 05:56am PT
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I was saying this was coming , so sad !
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Feb 27, 2015 - 06:08am PT
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i've been scraping together
episodes of mental anguish, lately.
i need depression
in order to properly entertain potential prose.
i've tried voluntary addiction;
and reckless pursuit of irresponsible means.
i've stared at the dry sky
for hours and yelled obscenities at the planet.
i've cheated friends,
and i've beaten innocent little ol' me.
insomnia is always good for a few illogical understandings.
but i ran dry
and i started to get happy.
then my expressions dry up and
my scars heal when all is f*#king well.
thank you charles for serving me
up a new reason to hate this aweful world.
now sit back and watch and read norwegian
unravel across your scream.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2015 - 06:18am PT
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Stay raveled Chuck, I'm an old man and would need your strength, will and focused determination to loosen teeth if we ever caught those bastard youths in their sick act.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Feb 27, 2015 - 06:19am PT
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Meh. I HATE taggers. Lowest denomination of stupid humans on the planet.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Feb 27, 2015 - 06:26am PT
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Tweakers.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Feb 27, 2015 - 07:12am PT
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Mighty Hiker I believe had a thread on how to clean it off. Disturbing that they used ropes. A climber? Hopefully that is the last of it.
So it's a romantic way to someone's heart? I have a feeling it'll come forth who did it.
I see balls heart something, and will you marry me 9/6. Did you get what it said Charlie?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Feb 27, 2015 - 07:18am PT
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They tag it because it was there. I am constantly seeing tags appear even in remote areas and a huge increase in litter.
If only we could get taggers to promote an anti-litter campaign.
Yo dawg, put yo sh#t in the can.
Seriously though, a litter guilt message has to get through. Crying shame.
Bruce and Clint have been picking up a load like this recent one, each outing to Pinns. It's great that city people are making it to the great outdoors, but come on, all this trash, really?
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clarkolator
climber
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Feb 27, 2015 - 07:48am PT
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That's rough. My ire is only matched by my impotence. If anyone decides to get rid of it, be careful. The third flatiron still has the "CU" tag even after it was "fixed" in the 80s.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2015 - 08:44am PT
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Did you get what it said Charlie?
Your guess is as good as mine, do you have the link to MH recommendations on removal?
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Feb 27, 2015 - 08:56am PT
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I searched and couldn't find it. Hopefully he will see this and post the formula.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Feb 27, 2015 - 09:10am PT
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It was on the Squamish thread.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1618401&msg=1806549#msg1806549
No, but I did some research on what was available and works, and both BC Parks and the Little Smoke Bluffs committee are OK with it. I've tried several things, including some spray-on stuff called Goof Off, essentially a solvent. The stuff I use now is called Removall - "Industrial Paint Stripper for Concrete and Masonry". In the fine print it says "biodegradable", but I'm not sure that I believe it. Anyway, it's a paste that you goop on. Let it sit for a while, then scrub and rinse, scrub and rinse, then re-apply. Usually I use a soft brush, sometimes with a bit of help from a wire brush. For areas that were lichen and moss free, the result isn't very visible. Otherwise, the graffiti is gone, but you end up with a visible cleaned area, which may take several years to fade and grow over. As you can see from the following, from the Apron three years ago.
more here on Tahquitz graffiti
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1253436&msg=1509003#msg1509003
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 09:17am PT
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Anyone who is angry at the taggers, to the point of wanting to hurt them, is showing that they would probably do the same or worse than the taggers if they had been raised in the taggers' shoes.
The problem is a lack of training in how to understand and channel their feelings and create a sense of identity for themselves that is respectful toward themselves and toward others. Those abilities rest on a foundation of self love and awareness of one's value, apart from external affirmation.
Many of us lack this basic foundation, and our behaviors and values are then largely sculpted by the environment that enables us to pursue the love and acceptance and sense of belonging that was insufficient at home. This is a big reason why parents should care what kind of kids their kids hang out with. Even if home is fine, at some point it would be time to differentiate and the most available people with whom to do so were dealing with their own serious deficits and had their own previous bad examples, and so this negative behavior carries on like a disease.
Maybe a good place to focus resources to bring about change is elementary and junior high school programs, as part of the standard curriculum and bolstered with extra-curricular programs. These things cost money, and you see them in rich neighborhoods with aggressive PTA organizations collecting money. The places where they are most needed- poor neighborhoods where (often single) parents are busy working and can't afford to keep their kids involved in after school activities- don't have the money to do it. So the money can't just come from PTA and property taxes if we want to systematically improve the quality of experiences and training for youth across our country. The money must come from state/federal levels to provide a common baseline of resources to care for our youth. If we take the attitude of saying "not my kids I don't want to pay for it" then we pay later with more prisons and an uglier world.
People who say "I don't want big government meddling in my family" then have to contend with big government arresting them or their friends later on.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Feb 27, 2015 - 09:34am PT
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Another post by Anders on the subject.
Sep 3, 2012 - 01:37am PT
The magic stuff is called Removall. It was originally made in Vancouver, but maybe is now made elsewhere? There may be two or three varieties. It comes in a plastic bucket, much like an ice cream tub - four litres for about $45, which is enough to do a lot. (It's allegedly biodegradable, too.)
Anyway, you need Removall, a good stiff scrub brush, lots of water, and incidental things such as work clothes, something to protect your eyes, lunch, something to read, etc. Removall is a cheerful orange paste. The system:
1. Daub it on the painted area. (It sticks quite well, and I just use the scrub brush.)
2. Wait patiently at least 30 minutes, better still more. Until it seems to have entirely dried up and disappeared.
3. Rinse and scrub like mad, rinse some more. Lots of water needed - I carried 15 litres to the top of the Chief today, to get the one that was up high, unusually so. Plus serious elbow grease.
4. Reapply, and repeat steps 2 and 3.
Two to three applications usually do it. Each pass takes 80 - 90% of what's there, so at the end there's 1 - 2%, usually in crevices and niches. That's a realistic goal.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1618401&msg=1918061#msg1918061
Also known as Taginator
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 09:42am PT
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Yeah, criminals. Well, criminal behavior certainly- but does it help or hurt to call them criminals? Is that the identity we would want to cement for the future, as it relates to the people who have done things like this? Is that not teaching them "we expect more of the same or worse from you in the future"?
But for sociopaths, is this line of thinking just a weakness to be exploited? How to winnow out the sociopaths from those with bad programming?
In parenting situations, I often repeat to myself the mantra "teach not punish". Where does the line get crossed, when a person is too far gone to be teachable?
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Trad
Trad climber
northern CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 09:47am PT
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Very sad to see this.
Just a quick comment about whether or not ropes might've been used: It looks like the Surrealistic Pillar tag is just left of the first big stance on the route (route base can be seen in extreme lower right of the photo). Some of those dikes are pretty huge, so it's possible the person just dike-hiked the start and traversed a few feet left.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 09:49am PT
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Anything that will remove a solvent-based paint cannot be 'bio-degradable'
any more than crude oil is although crude is bio-degradable eventually. I
used to have a nice little portable sand-blaster. It did require a compressor
but it only leaves a little pile of sand.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 10:21am PT
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BTW, Isn't crude oil the outcome of bio degradation?
With ST's mean demographic that would be a little too long of a time frame.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 27, 2015 - 12:09pm PT
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I wish I had a good strategy for catching these f*#kwads in the act.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Feb 27, 2015 - 12:16pm PT
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A tagger was once caught at Stoney, in the act.
His can of paint was sprayed on to his face and arms in-till the can ran out of paint..... never saw that gentleman around again, but a whole bunch of his relatives keep showing up to continue the tradition.
I hope you locals figure out who did this and bring em to justice.
meth
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 27, 2015 - 12:25pm PT
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This happened up at Tahquitz a few years ago. I was amazed that the taggers made the hike up there, with all those boulders in Humber Park.
I think some folks went up there and cleaned it up. Perhaps they're on here and can inform as to what they used. Whatever, that boulder there is gonna be quite a project.
Sick mofo's.
Edit: I see where this was covered in another thread linked above by Apogee.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 27, 2015 - 12:36pm PT
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Tagging appears to have been big a thousand years or so ago in the Indian Creek region.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Feb 27, 2015 - 12:38pm PT
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Ghostbusters?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Feb 27, 2015 - 01:17pm PT
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I experimented with a number of removal techniques at Stoney. It's a pretty frustrating go-around once it begins. You'll get a lot of "opinions" about removal techniques.
Some notes on Removall: Although Removall is somewhat less toxic than your standard paint remover and may break down faster, it's still a chemical stripper. It's burns if you get it on your skin. You need to haul in a lot of water to clean it off, and I personally didn't use it anywhere where people or ropes touch the rocks, in spite of their non-toxicity claims. It works best on fresh tags. If the tag is very recent, unfortunately, sometimes removing it just encourages the as#@&%es to re-tag larger over the same spot.
Dirtineye had a thread on graffiti removal here. I'll see if I can track it down. Edit: here's the link: http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/203410/Graffiti-painted-removal-this-works
Other Edit @ Ron, I'm more in favor of surgically removing the middle three fingers on both hands.
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Sheets
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 01:17pm PT
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Is there an uptick in taggers hitting natural areas? I've been seeing more reports of it in the last year. Hope it isn't becoming a trend.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2015 - 07:31pm PT
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Anyone who is angry at the taggers, to the point of wanting to hurt them, is showing that they would probably do the same or worse than the taggers if they had been raised in the taggers' shoes.
I would assume NutAgain you are opposed to spanking as well :^) and yes I want to hurt them, it was the way I was raised.
Thanks all for the beta on the clean up. I'll get something organized for a work party and post up, it would be nice to meet some of you folks. Tomorrow however I hope to be skiing, the way things should be this time of year in the Tahoe Sierra.
Charlie D.
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 07:46pm PT
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Charlie D,
Super sad.
I would like to be of help in the clean up in some way. Please let me know if you need help. Buy materials or elbow grease. My work schedule is not the best but I'm not too far away.
Erik
olhoffec@yahoo.com
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 08:25pm PT
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First offense = loss of finger or two
Second = hand
Third = blinding
I would vote for it.....
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Feb 27, 2015 - 08:28pm PT
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It's not so much that they do it that bothers me, it's that they do it in my backyard.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 27, 2015 - 08:35pm PT
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On the positive side:
The outreach efforts intended to encourage inner-city youth to go visit the wilderness appear to be working.
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Rudder
Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 10:29pm PT
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It's really upsetting. :/
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 27, 2015 - 10:39pm PT
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Chaz, that's a remarkably cynical comment.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 11:06pm PT
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Would people still vandalize beautiful things if they didn't feel invisible and powerless, if they didn't feel they were unable to create something of value?
I think the best consequence for people caught tagging is to make them clean it up, for a fixed number of hours of community service, or until the damage they caused is repaired, whichever is greater. If it is irreparable, then they have to work as long as it takes to make it as good as it can be, then have some other offsetting project to clean up something else where the perpetrator is unknown. Only by putting in the effort to repair what they have broken or damaged will they begin to appreciate what they have done and see what it costs.
And they should also have to pay the full salary for whatever people are required to supervise them while they do the clean-up, and have mandatory counseling. This debt should not be eraseable via bankruptcy. If consistent payments are not made, then they should be held in a work detention program of some sort, with continued counseling.
To me, the focus of that is not a punishment or revenge, but an act of learning the value of things that for whatever reason they did not learn when they were growing up. And in the process, in between whatever anger and resentment, it might form the kernel of accomplishment upon which they can build authentic self esteem.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Feb 27, 2015 - 11:16pm PT
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This is the height of hypocrisy - climbers, who actually drill holes, install all kinds of permanent crap, and beat the f*#k outta the rock are worried about a little paint that'll wash away by itself in a few years.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2015 - 04:28am PT
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worried about a little paint that'll wash away by itself in a few years.
Really?
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Feb 28, 2015 - 07:04am PT
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I like the stuff on trains, cement walls,roads, bank buildings, cars and snow sheds. But, not on rocks.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Feb 28, 2015 - 07:17am PT
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whoa.
how'd i become the phantom soloist?
sucrose are you suggesting
that i am the graffiti?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Feb 28, 2015 - 08:01am PT
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Informative, progressive thinking outside the nutshell. Nice.
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Feb 28, 2015 - 09:21am PT
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Supersucks...both the act itself...and all the punative fuks chiming in. Chopping off fingers, poking out eyes, burning their car, wow! Maybe you all could even learn from your ISIS buddies & make a slickly produced video, after all that giddy spring in your step & the glee in your eyes as you deal out retribution could be a warning to other would be offenders. We could be like Afghanistan, yipee!! Don't like any of all this one bit...my hats off to those who clean up thiks mess (the paint, not the blood or amputated didgets).
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Petch
Gym climber
knapsack crack
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Feb 28, 2015 - 11:16am PT
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Haven't been on the taco in a while and I see this. Heart is racing and saddened. Also heard the boulders and possibly the Hog also got hit.
Just ordered graffiti remover and now have a new Leap project to work on this week.
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the czar
climber
meyers, ca.
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Feb 28, 2015 - 11:34am PT
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saw this yesterday while messing around surrealistic. damn kids.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2015 - 04:39am PT
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Just wanted to let ST know I got this message "We found that some folks had already worked on the graffiti and did a really good job, but we added a little more time in scrubbing effort to the project. I'm sure it will look better once it weathers a bit."
Many thanks to Petch and crew along with the mystery graffiti busters, really appreciate having these stewards getting after it.
Berg Heil,
Charlie D.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Taggers are already in hell. Imagine a life so shitty that spray-painting a beautiful place either gives you pleasure or relieves your pain? One might say they are ambivalent about doing it, but this wouldn't be consistent with the effort required to haul their bodies and the paint up there.
If a person defaces beauty, perhaps it is because they feel ugly inside, and witnessing beauty is a painful reminder of what they lack. Defacing external beauty can also be symbolic of self-destruction, or at least bringing the world down to their self-perceived level of ugliness. I think there's a similar dynamic for vandals- folks who don't feel worthy or valuable or who lack the confidence that they can create something of value, so they destroy value. There are different forms of hell, and these are among them.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Taggers should have their thumbs cut off. It's hard to hold a spray can without a thumb.
WTF, my man, I disagree heartily.
I have experience here.
Duct tape.
Put a strip over their noses and then plaster it over with e-Poxy.
Spray a shot of paint down their mouth.
Make them walk home by throwing their car keys in the creek.
This way they can at least hitch a ride and have to explain why they are in such a fix.
That is, if anyone cares to stop for a guy with duct tape over their nose.
MFM, counting to nine to control my ire.
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KabalaArch
Trad climber
Starlite, California
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These were created by a then-young graphic artist, who'd moved out here from his Cincinatti home turf. The buildings involved were “designated tag zones.” RR boxcars are, well, fair game first come first serve, I guess.
Waay BITD, I successfully talked some dude out of tagging a small bluff up above the Stinson Beach parking lot. I guess his intent was to immortalize that day on the Beach with his g|f. So I took the initiative to huff it up the steep hillside, upslope a hundred feet or so, and basically reasoned with him – successfully.
To a point, anyway. Later, we headed home on Hwy 1 – and the guy had tagged a small drainage drop inlet concrete headwall alongside the road. “Okay...if not in the dumpster, a storm drain is a compromise...”
One urban myth suggests that tagging originated in one of the Mexican states, Sinaloa??? IDK.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Mar 11, 2015 - 10:07am PT
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Don't bring in solvents to remove the tags (all those removers are typically solvents)it pollutes the environment. The portable sand blaster sounds like the least polluting idea. I guess you could also use sand paper.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 11, 2015 - 10:24am PT
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I can't imagine why anyone would tag Lynne Leichtfuss. She seems like a very nice person...and besides...she wouldn't hold still for such things.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Mar 11, 2015 - 10:52am PT
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BANSKY-EEZ=art or ART! Do we need anti paint climbing signs?`
As to Chaze's comment;
I was always supportive of the climber generated
Public Service outreach for women's support program
A Quasi Quid pro quo, professional curtsey arrangement
between Guides and Dancers,
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cornel
climber
Lake Tahoe, Nevada
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Mar 11, 2015 - 11:19am PT
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Some really hilarious and some thoughtful comments on, this ever increasing problem. There was a time when I would I have been very violent about someone tagging something as sacred as one of my climbing areas. Now perhaps I am somewhat less violent. Nuts again makes some valid points. Teaching is of course preferred. Though It is especially challenging when someone is pissing on your Buddha, but that is the acid test as to whether one is serious about the actuality of non violence or just playing with some mental concept. If one is lucky enough to catch someone in the act then one has a wonderful opportunity. What will it culminate in an assault or a changed being maybe?..This issue is not going away if anything it's going to get more prevelent. Just too many people sharing Mother Earth...Huge opportunities ahead...first ascents of freedom from violence moment by moment..or more tired repeats of violent behavior?
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eagle
Trad climber
new paltz, ny
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Mar 11, 2015 - 11:30am PT
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TRASH SUCKS NO DOUBT
I WOULD SUGGEST A FEW GALLONS OF GOOF OFF FROM LOWES OR HOME DEPOT..IT'S A PAINT REMOVER..IT'S VERY STRONG, WORKS AND PACKS A WHOPPING HEAD RUSH. USE IT FULL STRENGTH, WIRE BRUSHES DIP SCRUB AND REPEAT. BUT,IF THAT DOESN'T WORK HECK SPRAY THE STONE THE SAME COLOR AS THE ROCK...THAT'S WHAT THEY DO WITH RAT ROCK IN CENTRAL PARK...MAYBE THAT'S WHY THE PROBLEMS ARE SO SLICK AND V69
AS FOR THE BOTTLES AND CANS ONE CAN RETURN THEM FOR A 5 CENT REFUND
HERE IN THE GUNKS NOT TO BAD. THERE IS AN ORGANIZED CLEAN UP EVERY SPRING
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Mary Moser
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Mar 11, 2015 - 04:00pm PT
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This makes me so angry. We have had taggers here in Joshua Tree as well and it's just so annoying that people have so little regard for nature.
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Mar 11, 2015 - 04:04pm PT
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"Many thanks to Petch and crew along with the mystery graffiti busters, really appreciate having these stewards getting after it."
Many thanks x2!!!!
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Larry
Trad climber
Bisbee
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Mar 11, 2015 - 04:12pm PT
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Can you show us some before & after photos, Petch?
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dwell
climber
Pollock Pines
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Mar 11, 2015 - 07:13pm PT
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Petch, you are a good man. David from Pollock here, and always willing to join in the dirty job cleaning this off next time. Light to Darkness, or ignorance, take your pick.
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skeena
Trad climber
smithers
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Mar 11, 2015 - 08:03pm PT
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ya it is disturbing but it doesn't do anything to the climb!
let's just climb and not worry
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 11, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
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"let's just climb and not worry"
Ignoring = acceptance
Can't do that...nosirree...
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Mar 11, 2015 - 09:02pm PT
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"If a person defaces beauty, perhaps it is because they feel ugly inside, and witnessing beauty is a painful reminder of what they lack. Defacing external beauty can also be symbolic of self-destruction, or at least bringing the world down to their self-perceived level of ugliness. I think there's a similar dynamic for vandals- folks who don't feel worthy or valuable or who lack the confidence that they can create something of value, so they destroy value. There are different forms of hell, and these are among them."
Or maybe it's just fun to get high and paint some sh#t on some rock.
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okie
Trad climber
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Mar 11, 2015 - 09:18pm PT
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I blame society. It all started with Frank Endo and that magic white powder quarried from the cliffs of Dover. Now it's plastered on every hold from kloberdanse to psycho roof. That shite doesn't wash off
in the rain either...
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Mar 11, 2015 - 11:21pm PT
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^^ talk about lover's leaps (jumping to conclusions), dragging John Gill into a topic about spray painting rock.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Mar 12, 2015 - 09:45am PT
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Apogee, LoL....a tat maybe but not a tag :)
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Mar 12, 2015 - 10:25am PT
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ya it is disturbing but it doesn't do anything to the climb!
let's just climb and not worry
WTF?
Clearly you've never tried to smear on a tagged spot before...also clearly a troll.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 12, 2015 - 01:20pm PT
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Apparently, an Ohio man thinks pooping on cars is art too..
I saw that last night too. I bet he's a PETA member whose cat got run over.
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Tripod? Swellguy? Halfwit? Smegma?
Trad climber
Wanker Stately Mansion, Placerville
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Mar 20, 2015 - 01:04pm PT
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I bet if a $100 reward to ID the taggers went up in Squirrel's Strawberry Station Store it would not be long before we figured out who did it. It's most likely local bored teenagers. Often time calling them out on it or talking to their parents would get it taken care of.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mar 20, 2015 - 01:33pm PT
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Apparently, an Ohio man thinks pooping on cars is art too.. Fine, a long as it's his car on his own property.
reward poster in Strawberry Station Store. Not a bad idea. And at the Leap parking area.
Let's make it a SuperTopo award and a much bigger amount. I'm in for $20 for arrest and conviction.
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ECF
Big Wall climber
Ouray, CO.
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Mar 21, 2015 - 04:48am PT
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So much fail here.
In the act, in the responses, in philosophy...
I get your point, Mr. Touchy-Feely, but OMG you are so what is wrong with modern society!
Cutting fingers off is way too extreme, but I think a friendly manual behavior modification is more than warranted in this situation.
That's done on scene, and not discussed, M'kay...
I grew up just like you are describing, and I was in a situation with spray paint one time. It felt wrong and I didn't want to do it, but I didn't want to get beat up either, so I went along with it.
It's one thing to not feel well represented, it's another to spurt your ugliness onto the world and force everyone else to deal with it.
Guess what, you are not going to like how some people deal with it.
The only sane response is to impose many hours of community service, preferably graffiti removal. I don't care if it stings their hands, we are going to use a methylene Chloride/ toluene/ xylene combo my grandfather whipped up. I sh#t you not, it will take the white off of rice. You have to use it all, because it explodes if you put the lid back on once it oxidizes.
Ah, chemistry... Basis of everything, ya know.
If anybody really cared about justice, they'd have suggested tagging the perps car and his Mom's house, where he undoubtably lives. Ya know, because it's kind of her fault anyway, right?
"How are we gonna catch em?"
Seriously? Have you never heard of game cameras?
Good on ya, Petch and crew! The rocklizzerd says hello.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Mar 21, 2015 - 06:55am PT
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ohh wait a bit
Not that I am not all in, on getting the spurt of lowlifes who do this stuff arrested but any Violence begets more violence to property & what ever the retaliation is it will be an escalation. and a climbers life Is often held by a thread, and around some 'hoods climbing gear has been sabotaged.Sliced rope anchors and smashed anchors ect.
jstans Links Linked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r92xizl30wk
Recycled glass etches masonry less than does sand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-53GGpgtK0s
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jstan
climber
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Mar 21, 2015 - 07:40am PT
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The second video noted that coal slag "embeds the surface". It might be worth investigating to see if a surface thus embedded less readily accepts graffiti. That is what we need.
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Petch
Gym climber
knapsack crack
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Mar 22, 2015 - 08:45am PT
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Here's a couple "after" photos. These pics were taken right after we finished, so they have a wet look still.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Oakland, CA
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Mar 22, 2015 - 10:35am PT
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Thanks for the cleanup. Hopefully it doesn't reappear.
There's always bored teenagers hanging out up there. I yelled at a couple who were throwing Gatorade bottles off the top of the hogsback, I think it spoiled their fun.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Mar 22, 2015 - 11:24am PT
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petch,
i'll be in hayberry
on Tuesday.
after that hit up
squirrel for a 12 pack
of his finest,
on me.
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Bad Climber
climber
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Mar 22, 2015 - 01:02pm PT
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Huge, HUGE thank you, guys! The Leap is kind of a sacred place for me, and I've been climbing there for almost 40 years. Seeing in tagged was more than nauseating.
BAd
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mar 22, 2015 - 01:30pm PT
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Well done Petch!
So how to sufficiently discourage the next yayhoo miscreants?
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Petch
Gym climber
knapsack crack
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Mar 22, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
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Thanks weedge for the offer on the beer. It should go to the unknown person(s) who did the initial scrub. Our crew, George, Josh and Cathy from the fs, and OG, just added to the job.
Let's hope it doesn't happen again!
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Mar 22, 2015 - 09:13pm PT
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Great job, Gentlemen - hopefully the covert cover will discourage the "new canvas" mentality.
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