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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Feb 26, 2015 - 06:25pm PT
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Blue and Black.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
therealmccoy from Nevada City
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Feb 26, 2015 - 06:27pm PT
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I guess I would be in the "white and gold" category, however, I can see, in the "white" where they get their blues, and probably blacks from, because it really doesn't look just white to me. My only question would be, to those people, what do they see where I'm seeing the "gold"?
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Feb 26, 2015 - 06:28pm PT
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White and gold
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Feb 26, 2015 - 06:33pm PT
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Blue and black.
Y'all r blind.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
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Whoa. I see white and gold now. Trippy
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Powder
Trad climber
the Flower Box
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:06pm PT
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Nobody sees blue and gold?!
: )
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briham89
Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:19pm PT
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white and gold
everyone at work saw blue and black....not sure if I'm weird or special ;)
if I squint so that my eyes are barely open it changes to blue and black
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Powder
Trad climber
the Flower Box
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:19pm PT
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
therealmccoy from Nevada City
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:25pm PT
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Cathy, as I said I don't really see it as "white," so blue and gold would be the closest estimation to what I'm seeing. <3
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Gene
climber
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
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White and gold.
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Bill Mc Kirgan
Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
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black and gold
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
therealmccoy from Nevada City
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:29pm PT
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Perhaps, with an overexposed picture, this has more to do with the very specific monitor/graphics card settings than anything? But, TJI said half his work saw one while half saw the other, WTF OVER?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:30pm PT
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White and gold.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2015 - 07:31pm PT
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Yeah and like Mike, sometimes they saw blue and black then white and gold.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
therealmccoy from Nevada City
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:33pm PT
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I guess some people have broken eyes. Sucks for them!
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2015 - 07:37pm PT
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
therealmccoy from Nevada City
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:38pm PT
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hahaha right? Good reference... I feel like that guy a lot when looking at stuff visually... ( Stan Lee in the background there, I do believe... )
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:40pm PT
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White and gold is my natural observation, but if I want I can see black and blue.
The white is a pale blue but more white than blue even when I see the gold
This holds true even for the brighter background version.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:42pm PT
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I see two cats fighting in a fabric bag.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2015 - 07:42pm PT
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Yeah that's Stan Lee, love that movie.
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Powder
Trad climber
the Flower Box
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:43pm PT
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<3
This is what Adobe says
Similar to what I did... except that I only cared for black and white so I used black and white in the background for comparison and skipped all other colors.
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Powder
Trad climber
the Flower Box
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:51pm PT
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'd be interesting people state via what devices they're viewing the picture : )
For instance:
PC, NB, tablet, smart phone, slider....
I'm viewing the picture on my desk-top, though it looks pretty much the same on an 4s
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Feb 26, 2015 - 07:54pm PT
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I've got what you call red and green color impairment. When I take the color vision test I miss 11 out of 14 slides. Very few women have it. Guys gets the trait from their mother. Your mother's father is the carrier, and is likely to have been color impaired as well.
I see white and gold.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 26, 2015 - 08:00pm PT
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As someone who spent much of his working life dealing with the way in which the perception of color changes depending on many factors, all I can say is that debating what color the dress is, based on an image on an website, viewed on a million different computers and cell phones, is a complete waste of time.
Bring us all to a place where we can see the actual dress, in the same light, and we can start having a meaningful conversation. And then we can vary the lighting, and start arguing all over again.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 26, 2015 - 08:16pm PT
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ok holy sh#t.. it's hard blue and black now.
I cant get white gold at all anymore but earlier it was clearly gold and almost white.. very interesting.
several minutes later
And now I'm seeing blue and dark gold.
Seems to be my mind's attempt to white balance or something like that changing the color I perceive...so cool.
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Powder
Trad climber
the Flower Box
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Feb 26, 2015 - 08:27pm PT
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debating what color the dress is, based on an image on an website, viewed on a million different computers and cell phones, is a complete waste of time.
Bring us all to a place where we can see the actual dress, in the same light, and we can start having a meaningful conversation. And then we can vary the lighting, and start arguing all over again.
Pretty much my thoughts when first seeing the picture. It's useless to argue what colors there are on the dress (which I am not sure if that's the intention of OP. I think the point of this post is how different people can see colors differently from each other, due to various factors.) We will never tell the original colors of the dress unless seeing it in person (coz of the lighting... camera exposure... and so on...) , not to mention this is crappy picture of such bad exposure. Even then... each individual could see colors differently from others whether slightly or largely when in person.
For now, this picture in particular, well... what colors we see would be mainly based on the calibration of each monitor and device. Though I see hardly any difference between my desk-top and an 4s (even adjusted the brightness and it made no difference.)
What I found intriguing is two-shoes' post. For me, that explained it and matched what I had in mind initially - that each individual sometimes sees colors differently. I don't have red and green color impairment, but I've found myself seeing some "yellow/green" differently from others, while to me the color appears sort of neonish-yellow, it's green to others.. and vice versa.
Meanwhile, the two picture files I posted (one by me and one from Adobe) provide pretty fair comparison. It doesn't matter what devices used/viewed on, black is black and white is white... all is needed is to match with these two.
Edite: Moose you're funny : ]
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Feb 26, 2015 - 08:31pm PT
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I'm viewing it on my 4s and i'm still seeing white and gold but the white is more of a light blue really.
Initially i did see it as black and blue.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 26, 2015 - 08:31pm PT
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Nope has very little to do with the monitor.
The picture changed about thirty minutes later for me on the same monitor.
It is not a subtle change at all. It's pretty freaky if you have it happen to you. I will be checking it from time to time to see what mode my brain is in. Pretty wild.
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Byran
climber
San Jose, CA
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Feb 26, 2015 - 08:35pm PT
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It looks to me like the dress is white and gold, but the photo's color balance is off so the white comes across as blue (so I guess I'm seeing blue and gold). Apparently people in the same room looking at the same monitor are seeing different stuff, so I don't think it's the calibration of the monitor.
On a related note, is this dancer turning to their right or to their left?
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Powder
Trad climber
the Flower Box
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Feb 26, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
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Moose.... after another 12 you might see stars..
and 12 more you might see black only.
: p
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
therealmccoy from Nevada City
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Feb 26, 2015 - 08:43pm PT
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The Moose sees all.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
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True ghost and powder, but five of us looked at the same device/monitor and saw it differently and my girlfriend sees it one way then the other.
Our eyes trick us everyday. Is an apple really red? It's reflecting a red light back at us and absorbing the rest of the colors. So is it really every color but red? The only way I can see the dress as blue and black is if I squint. This is a trick taught in painting and drawing to see gradients better.
Barry, you're making us white and golds look bad saying you can't see colors!
Moose, sorry to disappoint you.
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Powder
Trad climber
the Flower Box
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Feb 26, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
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^^^^^
That dancer file is a gif. It's animated so it moves whichever direction as the designer creates it. So in this case, it changes direction every once in a while...cuz it was designed this way. : p
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
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Haha Bryan, I was about to write to her left and she switched on me!
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Powder
Trad climber
the Flower Box
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Feb 26, 2015 - 09:02pm PT
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: Z
: I
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: P
Moose, it doesn't matter! More beer and the dancer will do a triple Axel with a Quad... : D
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Feb 26, 2015 - 09:13pm PT
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This is simply an example of Largo's no-thing, having no physical extent nor color. If you see white and gold (I don't) you have moved to a higher (or lower) astral plane. The Caltech kids could explain this.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 26, 2015 - 09:18pm PT
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Americans tax their brains over anything.
The rest of the world happily grows nice food stuff in their gardens and live happily ever after all while poor Americans tax their brains.
And ..... jgill has found the art of trolling .....
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Feb 26, 2015 - 09:18pm PT
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I see white and gold but my wife and daughter are smoking crack and see black and gold.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Feb 26, 2015 - 09:18pm PT
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This did freak me out I saw it both ways ?? WTF??
Aye !
At first I saw mainly white with gold? Brown trim then I clickr on the linker o it is blue n' black
Iam drinking wine and not liquor !
Okay now I need drugz! The story just came on the news an old box TV Set grayish white with stripes and more goldfish brown.
What I have to suggest breaks rules of decorum!
This should be fun at Gordo's clam bake 4/11/15 ! For Tom whoz last name plays a similar trick! Three cheers to Tom the Ho from the He ?
I will now go back and see if I can see it as royal blue and the trim black!
Izit fritag yet??why wait till its night if I'm loosing my sight, sorry not meant for jingy or locker
Any one else see both?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Feb 26, 2015 - 09:29pm PT
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For me the white is a little dingy, with very very light gray undertones but it is still white and the gold is very gold.
I did indeed, along with gill think of the science vs religion thread and what Largo and MikeL have been saying all alog.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Feb 26, 2015 - 09:50pm PT
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QUestion reality
PHCK dat
Ho wait that is mind what is
That siht gives me a head ache
I have Imogeez Imogey iimogy🙈🙉🙉
I'd rather go Fishing did YA all see what idid there waz up whale what did you see 🔓✒️😸👓
What was the point of the dancing Goyl girl spirilla swrill swrell now I'm playing with my self 😽and auto correct atoo atow aeto ahtoe,👼👹
🌀⚡️
A taciturn duck comment with out a comment that's Wier Bob was a find of my sister along time ago aegoe Argo egoe three cheers 🃏
YA all broke a broke gnome
Nome knowme nhome why did auto correct want to say hugo huego huwgo hewgo
I had better not 'play' with astral....
Climbski2 Thank you in five or six posts from now all three things i see/saw when i lok and see the darkest color? yikes it makes me crazy, I 1st saw the never white and brown light , not gold yellow?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 26, 2015 - 09:53pm PT
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My son and I both see white and gold, my daughter sees Blue and black..
Shit's fukkin fukked up!
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Feb 26, 2015 - 09:59pm PT
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What you see to a large extent depends on the direction and intensity of the light source. I see Blue and gold as viewed on a cell phone, which would be interpreted by your mind as white and gold, because your brain reads the other cues.
Snow is "white", right? If you look at snow in bright sunlight it looks blinding white. But when you paint snow in a shadow you use a fairly strong blue because Blue is the color you see when you look at snow in shadow. But no one thinks the snow is actually blue.
The dress on the photo is strongly backlit so the front of the dress is in shadow. Hence we see it as white. Our minds read the cues.
By definition black is the deepest value. Black fabric might appear gold if it was in very intense front light because black fabric is almost always a very very dark color, not true black. If you look at "black" clothing it can be redblack, green black , blue black , yellow black etc. that is why it is often hard to wear two different pieces of black clothing together. But the value contrast between the two dress colors is not different enough for me to read the darker value as black.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:07pm PT
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If you see the darker bands of color in the dress as black, then what color are the dsrk splotches to the left of the dress? Blacker black? The area to the left has the same lighting and is almost in the same plane.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:26pm PT
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AWESOME its back to White and gold again. The difference is incredibly remarkable and I cannot figure out how my mind can interpret it so completely differently at different times. The minds auto white balancing must account for it and perhaps if the mind is interpreting it as backlit or not.
Here is a good photoshopped example of how different it can be. (I hope all of you see the difference) The original is in the middle
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:42pm PT
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white and gold now
oh snap, I definitely shouldn't have had that last blotter.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:44pm PT
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^ freaky
isn't it :)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:49pm PT
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hey there say, all.... wow, i see a cadet'ish blue type color, perhaps mixed with a dull sky blue, but with some lighter spots of highlights...
and i reckon the black would be that FADED blackish trim, then, right?
it is sometimes, dull goldish black, and other parts of it are dull dark grey black, like it WAS black, but faded in the wash, :)
say, what i wonder is this:
think of all the money put into the senior proms, etc, and brides' maids' dresses, and such, that are coming out IN PHOTOS , perhaps entirely
NOT what they were 'envisioned' to be, for the keepsake photos, oh my, :)
KIND OF LIKE:
"look mom, it's me!!! the one in the blue dress AND black trim..."
"no...no... THAT'S your cousin, in the blue... YOU are in the WHITE, with the gold trim... say, shouldn't you have worn PEARLS with the white?... you both should have faced the camera, you know... this is SOOOO HARD!"
"awww, MOM--don't you see the turquoise broach? THAT'S ME, i tell you.. blue dress... turquoise broach"
"hmm, are you sure that's NOT a cameo? mmy mmy , but your cousin looks so nice!".
whewwwww, they spend a LOT of money, you know, to look good for the pics, :) proper dress color, hue, and all...
say, i always liked it at night, when we went out by the street lights, and it TURNED our shirts a different color... was so fun..
hmm, turned them WHITE, i think it was...
does anyone remember that???
or, did i get this BACKWARDS???
WHATEVER, it was so fun...
i know, we all know what the black-lights, did, too, to the
clothes-color, etc...
wow, powder:
so nice to see you here, wow, you sure had a LOT of thoughtful
questions... :)
i can see moose had fun, too...
:)
WOW, say, climbski2:
okay, i am seeing a mixture of the one on the far left, and the middle one...
let me recheck which has the same faded blacks... :)
definitely i am NOT seeing the one on the far right...
okay--the part that mixed more, into a bit lighter fade of EVEN the faded black that i saw was this:
the top shooulder/neck area...
i can now understand how that black could be seen as gold, since that area was a dullish gold to me, there... though some stripes, in the lacey edged parts, were, too...
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briham89
Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
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Feb 26, 2015 - 11:26pm PT
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For my fellow gold and white seeing folks struggling.....I FINALLY figured out how to see it black and blue. Cover up the right side of the photo (the very white part) and just focus on the bottom left of the photo, where this is a dark textured garment in the background. When I do this it turns blue and black, but as soon as I move my hand and look at the full photo it turns back to white and gold!! So weird!!!! Does this work for anyone else?!?!?!
BTW test have confirmed it is black and blue!
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Feb 26, 2015 - 11:43pm PT
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This whole debate is ridiculous!
Color is not subjective or relative, it's measured by wavelength and is constant.
A picture cannot be used to measure the wavelength of light because whatever records the picture and/or projects it changes it.
But, it's pretty cool how our minds can play tricks and effect how we perceive it!
PS-totally white and gold in the picture!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 07:47am PT
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Is this a thread about crappy monitors, drug induced vision problems,
or white balance settings in a crappy camera?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 27, 2015 - 07:51am PT
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White and blue
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
therealmccoy from Nevada City
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Feb 27, 2015 - 07:56am PT
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This thread is meta Reilly, don't try to put it into a box.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 27, 2015 - 07:56am PT
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Not Meta at all.
Reilley multiple people see it completely differently on the same monitor at the same time. Many people like myself also see it completely differently at different times. It's a fantastic example of how what we see depends on how our brain processes images.
At the moment its again White and Gold.
5 minutes later and it is now black and blue... so trippy every time it switches. So completely different as to make you question your sanity.
I find that looking at it on different sites in different sizes seems to trigger the change in perception but not consistently.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 08:20am PT
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Wait, now it's about Zubin Meta? I'm so confused.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2015 - 08:23am PT
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This thread is about what color dress I should buy.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 27, 2015 - 10:28am PT
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I see a TRULY ugly white and gold dress, with a blue cast to the picture. Damned if I don;t wish I could find a way to make one of my own product images go viral like this shot is, though.
Meanwhile, this reminds me of the time I was out climbing with a group and I referred to my fleece as being blue in color. This other person, who was an artist, laughed and said "That's not blue, it's gray!"
I in turn guffawed and said "It's a heather blue. Look closely and see that there are two fiber colors, a pale blue and a very dark color which could be gray or black. The combination creates the appearance of a blue hue. Though it does have a cold tone, this fleece ain't gray."
Others chimed in, with "Gray." Men and women alike.
But I can tell you that I have a very keen sense of color(I was actually tested as a kid because I was ignoring the teacher during class and they wondered if I was simple or something. Turned out, quite the opposite).
I don't pretend to know why some people have eyes/brains which see colors differently than other people do. It would be an interesting study for someone working a PhD, if it's not been done.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Feb 27, 2015 - 10:56am PT
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How we see it doesn't change what it is, imho. It's white and gold. Praise Jesus!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 27, 2015 - 11:14am PT
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I'm seeing blue and black in my left eye, the liberal one.
I'm seeing white and gold in the other, the conservative one.
I wonder, would it make a difference if it were an eyeball gown?
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Feb 27, 2015 - 11:30am PT
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I guess this throws racial profiling all to hell.
Susan
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Feb 27, 2015 - 12:30pm PT
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powder blue and gold
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Feb 27, 2015 - 07:30pm PT
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2 gold/whites here. But more important, this is a hell of a time for the internet to meltdown what with the Dept. of Homeland (doesn't that sound kind of Nazi-like) Security shutting down?
Even more interesting, this whole thing was started by a guy/gal who goes by swiked.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 27, 2015 - 07:45pm PT
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powder blue and gold
That's right. Or powder blue and brown shades...
As any photo editor easily verifies.
Pitch black? as on the original dress? Hardly, lol!
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Powder
Trad climber
the Flower Box
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Feb 28, 2015 - 12:16am PT
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As any photo editor easily verifies.
Exactly. 10 seconds of demonstration in Photoshop can easily do that. (Actually 5 seconds would work but it takes time to explain : p )
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Feb 28, 2015 - 12:32am PT
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I interpret it as white/gold, underexposed and the white balance off a bit in the blue/cold direction. This effect happens if you take a point and shoot camera picture with the full-sun white balance mode when the subject is in the shade.
Of course if you do a pixel RGB comparison it is not 0xFFFFFF (all white) of course as few real things we perceive as white are actually observed under balanced full-spectrum illumination. Our brains learn to dynamically filter what we see based on the perception we form of the lighting conditions (which is based on all of our visual input and whatever other state information we can glean).
If the thing really is black and blue, apparently my brain is not picking up on th cues that it is a very over-exposed picture and there are reflections from the sheen of the fabric in the black part?
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Powder
Trad climber
the Flower Box
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Feb 28, 2015 - 01:32am PT
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What was the question again?
Oh what are the colors of the dress?
What are the colors of the dress you see in this picture?
What are the original colors of the actual dress?
What are the original colors of the actual dress recognized/judging from this picture?
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Feb 28, 2015 - 09:10am PT
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Ok, for those of you that see blue and black...
Step away from the screen....
Turn and look in the mirror......
Do you see the 666 tatoo'd on your forehead?
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Feb 28, 2015 - 09:14am PT
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I finally saw blue and black when it was shown on a cell phone that I saw on TV newscast. They were doing an "in the street what do you see" segment.
Otherwise every device in my home or squint of my eyes didn't produce other than white and gold.
Susan
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two-shoes
Trad climber
Auberry, CA
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Feb 28, 2015 - 10:23am PT
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Hey Powder, how can you be sure you are not color deficient? I had no earthly idea that I was, until I was tested while in the Air Force, for the electronics school. My grandmother, my mother's - mother, told me that she was sure that my grandfather had been colored blind, so to speak, as they had always argued about what color everything was, and she was sure that he was full of sh!t!
In the general male population, European- Americans are color deficient in about 7%. African- American at about 3-4%. Other ethnicities are even a little bit lower. In northern Europeans males it is about 1 in 12. Women are about 1 in 200.
I just remember what a revelation that was to me when I learned about it at 18 years of age. I think there are many things in school that make it much harder for children with color impairment to understand what is going on in the world. One of the things that we are at an advantage is the ability to have a keener vision when it comes to recognizing a camouflaged item,- such as a rattle snake in the woods. Often I have been know to cut myself and inadvertently get small amounts of blood all over before I even notice. If you think about it, little things such as this may have had some advantage in the humans evolution, even though it doesn't necessarily seem to be an advantage in todays world .
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 28, 2015 - 10:27am PT
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Locker's right, it's like asking someone "Do you prefer a blow-up doll? "
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this just in
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Justin Ross from North Fork
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2015 - 11:29am PT
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He probably should have put "what color do you see?" with three question marks.
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justthemaid
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Jim Henson's Basement
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What a dumbass do I see more like it*Eyeroll** ^^^ a tatoo? Really????
It's a shitty photo with the color balance off so the white looks blue and some monitors get darker depending on the angle you are viewing too, which might explain several people viewing the same screen and seeing different color..
I see white and gold. The white has a bluish tinge because of the exposure. I don't see black at all.
Edit to add: my color perception is very good and I spend a lot of time listing stuff on the internet, so my brain probably auto-corrects. I have one camera I avoid using for internet photos because of this problem. It casts a blue tinge on white objects if the lighting is insufficient.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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OK, now for the major league. Watch this full screen. Those of you who take drugs might want to watch this before breakfast.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Justin Ross from North Fork
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2015 - 08:00am PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
I already watched the how it works video, but this would be a fun one to stump your friends and win a couple bucks.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Justin, that only works because "white" chocolate isn't really chocolate. It's like jumbo shrimp.
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