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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 22, 2015 - 02:32pm PT
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__**THIS THREAD IS ABOUT CRITIQUE OF PHOTOGRAPHY (and videos, tho maybe we need a separate thread) AND SHARING INFORMATION AND LEARNING ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHY-
IF YOU POST AN IMAGE HERE PLEASE BE PREPARED FOR MORE THAN JUST "I LIKE THAT IMAGE" Though that is good too.**__
Hi all,
I've recently turned the corner, for me personally, on trying to make better pictures. It's a pain in the ass, but is really rewarding when an image comes out right, surprisingly unique, or really matches what your eye sees.
To that end, I did a search for threads on photo/graphy critiques and I don't think we really have a thread that is centered around critique and improving our collective photographic experience. We have incredible climbing photographer talent on the forum. Hopefully we'll get to see more of it. Plus its another climbing content thread!
Mostly just try and post up your very best work. If you like something, reference the ST username and which image. Try to be positive in any critiques or suggestions.
Exif data is helpful, but not necessary.
I'll go first, and offer my own critique (as ill informed as it may be).
Shot from downtown Lone Pine looking West.
Aperture Priority mode
f/4.5
1/80sec
ISO-125
Focal length 55mm
Max Aperture 4.3
Post Prod - saturation to bring out the blue in the high part of the sky.
Critique - seems like the ridge line could be in better focus/more crisp. But I like the colors. The sky was really nice that night, but it could have been the beers. :)
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josam
Trad climber
canada
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Feb 22, 2015 - 02:35pm PT
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Looks like a beut man
Point and shoot camera ^
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2015 - 02:49pm PT
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josam,
good deal. thx for trying to keep the thread going!
like the action scene. Trying to capture the action of climbing seems to be the hardest part.
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10b4me
Social climber
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Feb 22, 2015 - 02:54pm PT
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I've recently turned the corner, for me personally, on trying to make better pictures. It's a pain in the ass, but is really rewarding when an image comes out right, surprisingly unique, or really matches what your eye sees.
agreed
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2015 - 03:21pm PT
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Like the end of day light. Lot of orange in there. I'm partial to that kind of shot, i.e. Minarets as a silhouetted sunset shot.
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10b4me
Social climber
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Feb 22, 2015 - 03:23pm PT
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thanks, a little to warm for me.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2015 - 03:42pm PT
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eKat, I do, but generally I try to avoid Post Prod. That is changing for me, especially if shoot a bunch and I want to post about a trip where most pics aren't that good. I'm leaning toward heavy cropping, etc.
I'll try that and see what it does to the rest of the image a little later...
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Feb 22, 2015 - 04:15pm PT
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We all know the golden hour to be awesome for getting the best light and night to be the time for cool night shots. But how about twilight...isn't it also a great time?! :)
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Myles Moser
climber
Lone Pine, Ca
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Feb 22, 2015 - 04:50pm PT
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Nice sends down there V!
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Feb 22, 2015 - 05:23pm PT
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Great idea for a thread munge.
There are some pros here that we can learn from, especially with the technical stuff.
I don't have many climbing shots with my new camera-
This is probably my favorite.
No specs on this but I think it was shot in intelligent auto(sorry) (-:
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Feb 22, 2015 - 05:24pm PT
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Critique #1 - Don't shoot sunsets!!! :)
Tip - while not always convenient, use a tripod (or a rock, stump etc) to support the camera. You will see an immediate increase in the sharpness of your images. Digital cameras (without a viewfinder) force you to hold the camera in a very unstable position, so you can see the screen.
Myles- the contrast is pretty high. I'd back it off and open up the mid tones. The image won't feel so heavy and you will have better detail in the cliffs.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Feb 22, 2015 - 05:35pm PT
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phone photo but it nicely conveyed The feel of being there
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NA_Kid
Big Wall climber
The Bear State
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Feb 22, 2015 - 06:01pm PT
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Good thread!
I was just thinking about the same thing and need to take better climbing photos.
Whats in your kit?
and what would be a good starting lens set-up for someone.
post up!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Feb 22, 2015 - 06:13pm PT
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Critique - seems like the ridge line could be in better focus/more crisp. But I like the colors. The sky was really nice that night, but it could have been the beers. :)
Donc was right. If you want those mountains to pop, stop down to f8 or f11. You'll need a tripod so you can shoot it on a longer exposure and keep the iso down so it doesn't get all grainy. It's also a little "cold" or blue. I would crank the hue a little so it's warmer and reduce the tint a bit so it's not quite so purple. Just a tiny bit on both settings, get that snow to look a little whiter.
Otherwise, fantastic shot. I really like the framing. You could crop the branches and it would be a little cleaner.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Feb 22, 2015 - 06:19pm PT
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thanks, a little to warm for me.
Yeah Steve, but you can make it a little cooler real easy in post and add a little contrast so it's not so faded. The mountains are nice and sharp at f14!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Feb 22, 2015 - 06:26pm PT
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V- your shot is cold. Make it a little hotter by adjusting the hue a little more yellow and it looks like the tint is a little purple. The goal is always to make your whites as white as possible .
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2015 - 06:29pm PT
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Thx Donc and Big Mike! That's the kind of feedback I'd like keep seeing on a per shot basis in this thread.
I'm partial to the purple and blue in the pic, but lots of commentary for me to take back and adjust with.
Interesting on the branches comments. I like the framing of an image, usually just one branch is what I'll play with. Not sure why. Feels less ethereal when its showing that I was on the ground when I took the shot, but perhaps that's a bias I have as remembering where I took the shot (i.e. in the middle of the street in the downtown).
Mike M, is that snow coming down by any chance? Recent?
Shooting in raw: I'm not in raw. Good call. Force of habit of P&S shooting.
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DonC
climber
CA
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Feb 22, 2015 - 06:57pm PT
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if this thread is about really taking a leap, and not just taking better snapshots, shoot in raw
There have been a few comments about sharpening the first image. Its hard to tell, but it could already be over sharpened - look at the right side of the skyline and you see halo's - a common artifact of over sharpening. And we can't talk about sharpening without being specific - is the comment about capture, creative, or output sharpening - those are the three typical steps in a sharpening workflow.
The difference between focus and sharpening is an entire topic, as all of these issues are. Let's keep it going. Great thread!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Feb 22, 2015 - 07:12pm PT
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I like this shot for texture... pretty heavy-handed editing with Google Plus tools to increase the shadows and bring out the detail in the ice and snow. It makes the patch of blue sky look worse though.
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Avery
climber
NZ
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Feb 22, 2015 - 07:16pm PT
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On this pic, the climbers windblown facial expression was paramount. Then it was just a matter of point and click (The pic was taken in 1986)
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Avery
climber
NZ
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Feb 22, 2015 - 07:18pm PT
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Great idea for a thread, Munge!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Feb 22, 2015 - 07:23pm PT
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Avery, an idea for photo-shopping that last cool pic: make separate layers of the part inside the cave and the part outside; keep the brightness on the inside part to show the cave detail, but leave the outside part less exposed/less enhanced to keep the detail in the face.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Feb 22, 2015 - 07:44pm PT
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Nutagain- if you don't force those shadows so much, the blue should come back. Use the incredible light/shadow contrast you have going on. I would bring the shadows down and make them a little darker than normal, to accentuate them. Then bring the highlights down a tiny bit and get rid of some of that glare.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2015 - 09:01pm PT
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Unsharpened
Sharpened
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Friend
climber
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Feb 22, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
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Super cool thread. Great tips. Thanks!
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Feb 22, 2015 - 10:32pm PT
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Can't decide how to or if I should crop this one.
Edit: every time I put a picture online the color looks funny and nothing like it does in Adobe Bridge. I don't know if my browser jacks it up or if Bridge is showing it incorrectly?
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Feb 22, 2015 - 11:17pm PT
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Can't decide how to or if I should crop this one. I would completely delete it (cuz it make anything I ever shot look so bad).
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Feb 22, 2015 - 11:34pm PT
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Anyone here into astro? milky way? mono?
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Feb 22, 2015 - 11:40pm PT
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Munge, I like the sky better in the unsharpened one. The silhouette of the mountains might be a bit better with the sharpened, but the sky change catches my eye more.
Limpingcrab, I wouldn't change a thing in the cropping. I though about bringing in the right side, but the asymmetry of the trees is nice for me, and seeing the notch in the ridgeline adds to it. Can't bring any lower or it would be weird to crop the top of the trees on the right. The foreground composition is nice too, wouldn't want to trim out any of that stuff. Good as it is! Maybe could crop a tiny bit from the bottom, to eliminate the little triangle-ish shadow/texture in the bottom right corner, but then it might look a bit boring with the lost of contrast and interesting shapes along the bottom. That's my completely uneducated/untrained perspective, just going on instinct.
Snowhazed, that detail in the milky way is exceptionally good! Tripod plus external trigger? Any fancy big lens? Whenever I try to get star detail, the pictures always get washed out with a lot of background light (purple sky between the stars). So do you need a filter of some sort plus a long exposure time? Or is a short exposure time with a big lens more important? Or being able to calculate a precise exposure time? I've only hacked it with point-and-shoots where I can choose a 15 or 30 second exposure time, and do a 2 second delay so I can balance it on a rock, give time for the vibrations of pressing the shutter to shake out, and get as clear as I can. An example of those efforts:
Balancing on the roof of my car on a drive into Yosemite a few years back (I love the pic, but too much moon to see any star detail):
Here's my original snow pic from earlier in this thread with zero edits. It seems that the "shadows" nerd-knob in Google Plus just lightens up the shadows, rather than accentuating existing shadows. I tried to increase the contrast, and didn't really like the effect. In the end the plain old picture is the most clear it seems. I would like to see more depth/contrast in the snow texture without making it look washed out, but don't know how to do that...
I definitely found a consistent pattern in the old Picasa editing tools, that for my rock climbing pictures, they seemed more 3D and popping out when I tuned up the shadows and brightness just a bit. There is usually a "sweet spot" where the texture in the rock suddently comes alive as I'm sliding the shadow parameter, and then I would adjust brightness to compensate. Sometimes add a little saturation to bring out the trees in the climbing photos, but not too much.
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brodracula
Trad climber
hawaii
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Feb 23, 2015 - 12:46am PT
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here's few shots I like
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:01am PT
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Hey Nutsomemore, I took that weird pic you like and I'm using for my desktop for a couple of days until my wife puts up more fecking puppy pics. I think it is really cool. thanks.
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Avery
climber
NZ
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Feb 23, 2015 - 03:01am PT
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Castle Hill, NZ. 1991.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 23, 2015 - 03:36am PT
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Way cropped. Some added contrast and a bit of brightening. Low resolution image.
I was more interested in the swifts darting around.
Knowing what I know now as opposed to eight months ago, I would have used a much higher speed and gone closer in to begin with
and had I the program to work with I'd have used the highest resolution format.
Learning curves vary with the amount of shots somewhat, but practical sharining like this thread promises is a huge promoter of better work.
It helps to have good equipment, like a solid tripod...this 300mm lens has since stopped working on autofocus,
and without the pod, I'd have little chance to get focused properly.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 23, 2015 - 06:36am PT
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The view from Suicide is pretty nice!
Cross town traffic just kind of happened. But I think is is my best climbing shot (phone camera).
One guy on Open Book, and one on the Horn.
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pb
Sport climber
Sonora Ca
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Feb 23, 2015 - 06:49am PT
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DonC
climber
CA
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Feb 23, 2015 - 08:34am PT
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Ed - color management, now there is an advanced and confusing topic for most. I thought I'd let this thread go a while before bringing that up, but you threw it out there! If you want your prints to match your screen you need a calibrated monitor and need to understand color management with profiles that match the ink and paper you are printing to.
Snowhazed - you asked if anyone does astro photography. I don't do deep sky stuff, but I do a lot of night and lightpainting work and teach a class for the Joshua Tree National Park Association Desert Institute. Did you have some questions?
The May class is full but we may do another during the summer when the Milky Way rises earlier.
http://www.joshuatree.org/keys-ranch-night-sky-photography-workshop/
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 23, 2015 - 08:39am PT
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I'll play too! I have a point and shoot, I know nothing about photography, but I have a good eye for composition. (usually)
I do use post picture fiddling, with Irfanview, because I can't stand washed out desert "high light" photos.
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10b4me
Social climber
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Feb 23, 2015 - 08:54am PT
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Shoot RAW!! The difference in post is amazing!! Get Lightroom. It is your friend.
Good advice.
Limpingcrab, that is a really nice picture. I would leave it as is, but(lol) if I were to crop anything, I would crop the tree on the left.
Nut again, I like that night time photo.
A word on memory cards, it's just not about space, it's about speed also as eKat said.
90mbs is pretty good.
I have started playing with timelapse(thanks to Yosemite Steve, and Shawn Reeder.) Anyone else do timelapse?
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Feb 23, 2015 - 09:14am PT
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Wayno, glad you like it! And a bump for Ed's advice, pointing to yet another thing I knew absolutely nothing about and didn't even know that I didn't know about it. Now I understand why fancy cameras can save pictures as RAW format.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Feb 23, 2015 - 09:29am PT
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Both these, and the next are before any post work
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Feb 23, 2015 - 09:34am PT
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above well you see then I as a complete n00b got to the one below ? How did I do?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Feb 23, 2015 - 10:24am PT
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Kath- Why the focus on write speed? Have you had choppy video or missed the last shot in a sequence because of a slow card?
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 23, 2015 - 10:41am PT
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Gnome of the diabase. That last shot looks similar to my NH shot. Taken in New Hampshire?
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 23, 2015 - 10:45am PT
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This shot is very cool!
What is that dune complex?
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2015 - 10:56am PT
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x15x15,
On that Tahquitz shot, have you thought about orienting it in portrait rather than landscape?
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2015 - 10:59am PT
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PB, dig the composition on the TM shot. I know that shot. It has a lonely quality to it.
skcreidc, nice perspective on the Traitor Horn. I've not seen it from there before.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 23, 2015 - 11:13am PT
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skcreidc, that shot is in the Last Chance Mountains, Eureka Dunes, Death Valley in the background.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 23, 2015 - 11:13am PT
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Thanks munge. It would not have occured to me, except that I was eyeballing Open Book and saw the guy straddle the horn. Photo op! Could have been framed better though.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 23, 2015 - 11:18am PT
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Cool Survivlal! My first thought was Eureka Dunes, but I've never seen them from that angle.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Feb 23, 2015 - 11:55am PT
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Thanks Ed, I learned a lot about color profiles in there. To DonC's point, I calibrate my monitor regularly but it looks correct when I open it on photoshop and preview but on supertopo it looks funny. On facebook they look accurate too. Just some random sites it looks off, maybe it's just those websites I guess.
Thanks for the tips everyone else! I'll try to contribute feedback when I get a minute after work.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Feb 23, 2015 - 12:23pm PT
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skcreidc
Hats off for the Climbing shot! The picture 's are so similar! mine is an older shot that I had saved and then resurrected. It is from the northeast, southern Mass or central Conn.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2015 - 02:57pm PT
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brodracula, that one on top of half dome is a time and place specialty.
Usually on something like that it is just 'shoot it and get out'
Was that on a cell phone?
Which model?
P&S? Which model?
Autofocus mode?
Shooting under storm clouds looking out to sun is a hard shot. White balance changes possible?
Snowhazed, too advance for me at this time. :)
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Feb 23, 2015 - 03:07pm PT
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Munge! Baby steps :)
NutAlloverAgain- The shot is on a Nikon D810 15 second exposure at ISO 2500. Aperture wide open for all astro. Lens is 24-70 Nikkor, no filter. This is actually one image from 600 image timelapse. They key is darkness, know your moonrise times and get away from the city. Motion control is helpful- moving the camera in the camera opposite the earths rotation gets rid of blur from long exposure. Also there is some very specific post production done in Lightroom to bring out the milkyway and reduce noise.
HDR anyone?
3 images, +/- 2 stops processed in sns-hdr and lightroom
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alleyehave
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 23, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
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Did someone say photos? :D
Just about everyone should recognize this:
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Feb 23, 2015 - 08:18pm PT
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TY
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Feb 25, 2015 - 07:40am PT
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There's a good question, what sites are best for cloud storage of images? I think different sites treat the files differently. I know I used to think Flickr was more accurate than Photobucket, but likely I'm just talking through my hat. I know John Scurlock, who does amazing aerial mountain photography, uses Pbase.com, which seems to have a more pro orientation. Here's a link to John's galleries in case anyone wants to check it out: http://www.pbase.com/nolock Any opinions from you knowledgeable folks?
Oh, and good job Munge, I love this thread.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Feb 25, 2015 - 07:50am PT
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Three of favorites of mine that I have posted before. I hope it's ok to repost here. First is the Alabama Hills from the NW ridge of Lone Pine Peak. Second is Old Big Oak Flat Road returning from Fireplace Bluff and lastly Mt. Shasta on a very windy April day.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Feb 25, 2015 - 08:11am PT
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Shot on film, almost certainly Kodak Tri-X, in 1978. Camera was an Olympus OM-1, and I think I had the 75-150mm zoom, as my other option would have been the 28mm wide angle. I never kept track of exposure details though. Negative was scanned using a Nikon Coolscan slide/negative scanner, and extensive photoshop darkroom stuff was done circa 2008 to get rid of dust and scratches and play with contrast and such. I recall spending a bit of time getting the feet right, so the toes stood out and the sole of the right foot was burned in, probably some other burning to make sure the incised graffiti was distinct.
I printed it out with a good large format printer at the Evergreen State College media lab and it made a good 11x14 print, part of a small show I did that year.
Image stored on Flickr
edit: holy photobomb! Actual size was huge, this is the reduced version
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10b4me
Social climber
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Feb 25, 2015 - 08:25am PT
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Snowhaazed, that HDR shot of Half Dome is fantastic.
Alleyehave, that first pic looks like Sail Away.
Banquo, I like the lines in your Big Oak Flat shot.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Feb 25, 2015 - 08:46am PT
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2015 - 10:12am PT
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Offwhite, thx. Glad everyone's digging it.
As for photo storage, I have no idea on quality. Flickr is nice, at 1TB of storage for no cost other than some ads that only you see if all your images are set to private and you only share the underlying path (which is against their tou, I think). I don't like how I have to pull the img path out of their custom embed links. But for on-the-fly quick saturation editing in Aviary on their system is easy.
In fact, if I had my druthers, everyone would embed their images and not upload to Cmac's storage. One, you don't have direct control over that image. Two, I have no idea how much of the image is modified versus others. Three, I have to click to get the full size image, rather than scrolling thru the thread. The reduced image that is in the post does not show off our best efforts. So I think we lose something.
one question is, how big are everyone's monitors/resolutions? I like big images and I cannot lie. With that in mind, what is an optimal resizeing for embedded images?
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10b4me
Social climber
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Feb 25, 2015 - 11:30am PT
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Feb 25, 2015 - 12:09pm PT
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MikeM, I like that shot a lot, the way it plays with perspective is great. I'm pretty sure there is a way you could play with layers in Photoshop to get the sky strip to be more reasonable looking, with out that halo, but still get detail in the dark chasm.
Looks like that big old rock is going to squish that person way out on the end of your line.
Munge, I'm really happy with 1024x768 on my monitor. I think I can go larger without problems, but beyond that it seems like more folks have sizing issues. The first time I put that bouldering shot up it was at 3700xsomething or other, a real thread killer.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2015 - 01:54pm PT
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copy that. 1024x768 seems fine for me on a 20 to 22" monitor.
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Feb 25, 2015 - 10:54pm PT
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Why not take advantage of whatever your monitor's native resolution is? If you bought it in the last 5 years its certainly at least 1920x1080, likely more like 2500x1600. Your images are way more pixels than that, appreciate them in as much glory as you can. This will help your post as well. The human eye won't see a difference between 720P and 1080P VIDEO at smaller screen sizes (sub 20 inches) but still images are a different story.
I'm about to drop coin on a 4096x2160 DCI color monitor- but this is for pro work.
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Feb 25, 2015 - 10:59pm PT
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Alao, TYeary's 3rd to last shot makes my toes tingle
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
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Ok, new meat, coming out...
Juiced this one up quite a bit. At first I didn't like the yellow in the far right skyline. But on the untouched original there is a fair bit of yellow, so I'm partial to it now.
In any event, I cropped this from the larger image because I liked how the foreground was really dark as a skyline against the rest of the background lines.
Throw down some feedback and I'll load the juiced up uncropped.
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alleyehave
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 28, 2015 - 09:34pm PT
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Bingo 10b4me
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2015 - 08:19am PT
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Shot 119 images yesterday and I didn't like any of them to bother posting here.
Some in Apriority mode, some in full auto, and some using scene settings.
Feh
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Ed Hartouni
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Livermore, CA
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maybe you should post up a few examples of the images, Munge.
Caption each example with what your visualization was, and why the image failed. Building up experience is in large part shooting with intention, then evaluating the product against that intention.
A photog friend of mine makes the distinction between "shooting a picture" and "making an image." Ansel Adams wrote a series of books addressing the later, a summary of that process is simply that it starts with the camera and ends with the print (in this case the video display) and involves all aspects of processing the image. While specific to film and printing, the series of books can be generalized to our "modern" digital media.
Anyway, once you have some idea of the images you're interested in making, you have to be ready to start the process when the time arrives, or courageous to begin when you are uncertain. But what ever you do, do it with intent.
Here are some images that worked out...
...I was walking from Yellow Pines CG to a FaceLift event in the Village, hurrying because I could see a storm blowing in... it was late September around 6pm, the sun was setting and the light was under the clouds, which were providing a very dark sky background. I saw Half Dome through the trees and decided to make an image. I'm shooting with my LX-5, I have it set up for spot-focus and exposure so I set those on the brightest part of the scene knowing it would underexpose the foreground trees. I also set the format up to be square, it seemed the best choice for the scene, and I balanced the diagonal shadow line with the opposite tree to make a strong diagonal composition. The light had a wonderful quality that I sensed, but didn't absolutely know would provide.
f4 1/640 ISO 80 106mm
My lens choices are set by the zoom on the camera, maybe I could have done better to get more of Half Dome, the image is dark. I could work some more on it but I thought it had limited possibilities.
The next day I was walking the same path, the weather was very much the same, but the clouds were in the west and the Sun was spot lighting the Valley scene, very dynamic though. Once again I exposed for the highlights framing the scene in 1-to-1 format. This is what came out of the camera (these are the .jpg's, I also have the raw images).
North Dome and the Royal Arches
f4 1/800 ISO 80 59mm
Yosemite Point Buttress
f4 1/500 ISO 80 51mm
Both of these images are really good starting points for printing (which I did for New Year cards, a lot more work, and starting from .tif files developed from the .raw images). But the backlit screen of a monitor is kind.
In both of these images I was paying attention to the cliff details and probably slightly over exposed the meadow light.
I also didn't realize the dramatic affect of the wind, which turned the leaves on some of the trees over and revealed a highly reflective surface.
In the North Dome image I lucked out and the foreground pine tree needles are in focus, had they not been it would have resulted in a blurry blob that would have ruined the image... easy to have eliminated at the time by just taking a few steps towards the scene, which would also have required lowering a bit to get the near bank of the river in... who knows.
These were two images that I really liked, there is a third that was more difficult to use in print:
f4 1/800 ISO 80 106mm
which was the first scene that alerted me to the spot light quality...
Anyway, I've been shooting the Valley for a number of years, so familiarity is a big help, knowing how the storms move through and where the light might fall, so anticipating the lighting. But those are the only three images I took, it all happened really quickly, and I was lucky to capture some workable images.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2015 - 09:21am PT
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will do more later Ed. Good distinctions, thx!
Nice shots in the meadows. Analysis sounds spot on. Working with the limitations of the light and shadow.
I'm intentional with composition of the objects in the frame.
Leveraging in part:
rule of thirds (but not strictly)
fill the frame (based on the subject of the image)
compose with a person's face where possible
looking for colors (as a focal point)
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this just in
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Justin Ross from North Fork
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Cool thread Munge, some great pics here.
I am by no means a professional photog, but I do have an art degree in drawing and painting. We did critiques all the time and at first I hated them. You're putting your work on display to be ripped apart and at first my ego was defensive. Later I learned to let that go and listen to different views to see the work in a different way.
Now critiques are supposed to be critical, saying "I like it" does nothing, but explaining what you like about it or what doesn't work is the only way to give a good critique.
Munge, your above pic of flowers is a little hard to tell what the focal point is. I go between the out of focused oak and the flowers. Because the pic is divided in half diagonally, I think you should have got as close as possible to the flowers. It would make that oak even more blurred (more interesting to me) and the focal points would be the flowers and color.
This is what I mean and has a similar skyline and ground diagonal division.
I hope this is helpful.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2015 - 11:36am PT
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thx thisjustin. I think you're right. I was on the way down the hill and was shooting fast.
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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The sooner you veer away from aperture priority and move to manual the better, at least for landscapes, a wedding is a different story.
You will have more failures, but once you dial it in you will be better.
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10b4me
Social climber
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The sooner you veer away from aperture priority and move to manual the better
that's what I was taught. Kind of like going from Photoshop, to Lightroom.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2015 - 04:47pm PT
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I hate you guys. ;)
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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I usually just push the button a lot. Bound to get something decent every once in a while. Especially if you put yourself in some cool spots and pull the camera out when most others would not.
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alleyehave
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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I occasionally shoot HDR
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2015 - 10:44pm PT
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alleyehave,
The sky in that shot looks like it underwent some post?
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2015 - 12:39pm PT
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Greg,
The composition in the first image seems strong (the subject climber offset of center), the second image seems fairly bland in comparison. What were hoping to pull out of the second image?
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2015 - 12:45pm PT
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Btw all, in keeping with the spirit of the thread and maintaining focus, I've update the original post to clearly state that images posted here will be critiqued.
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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TY
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Original image, one of the last of the day in very low light, and it came out with poor white balance (although it may be fairly close to the way I perceived it in the dark conditions):
Using the google plus tools I brightened it up, shifted the colors in a warmer direction to more accurately reflect the colors (but not accurately reflect how they looked at dusk), lightened the shadows just a bit, and reduced the contrast to make the bright spots in the water less harsh after the overall picture brightening.
Better or worse? I think it looks better, perhaps a little too much like a fantasy (what it could have looked like in ideal lighting conditions), but the original probably does a better job of capturing the mood at the moment the pic was taken.
My intention was to get the blurry water and sharp glistening rocks and foliage. I was using a point-and-shoot camera in P mode, but maybe in A mode, probably with a mini tripod and long shutter speed (and probably 2 seconds shutter delay to let the vibrations of clicking the button settle down). Left side moss is blurrier than I like, but overall I'm happy with this given the equipment and my rudimentary knowledge. Any suggestions for tuning it, or different ideas on how to capture these scenes?
Normally I use the cloudy mode for white balance to make everything look warmer, sometimes but rarely use the shadow mode, but in this case there was probably just too little light.
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10b4me
Social climber
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Nutagain.
It's really hard for me to decide, but I think I like the original.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2015 - 10:10am PT
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Tyeary, it looks like there was some saturation added in post. My question is: in the first image compared to the rainy juniper image, did you use the same amount of saturation, if you did?
Nutagain, I prefer the water in the first image. Can you do the lightening up mostly in the upper right part of the image?
I just recently watched Joshua Cripps quick vid on processing landscape shots. It's a quick watch and now I realize how limited my software is.
https://www.joshuacripps.com/2015/03/post-process-landscape-photos-in-5-minutes-photoshop-tutorial-and-workflow/
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Munge, First image indeed has some added saturation. As well as some shading and lightening.It was a very difficult lighting situation and I was trying to recreate what I saw. Controls on camera were limited as it was taken with a Nikon p/s. The second image you mention was taken with d-600. Nothing added except boost the contrast and a backlight function.
TY
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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4 photo stitch shot from 150'
12 photo stitch shot from about 125'
Hero4 black for both
Need to figure out the Lightroom trick to reduce just the sun
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nut- still looks too green to me. Can you crank the tone a little bit so it's more purple? I would back off the exposure just a tiny bit, so it looks just a cvnt hair darker..
Doug- just throw a radial filter on the sun. Then you can adjust the exposure and highlights.
If it looks funny you can try a gradient filter on the whole sky, bring down the exposure a bit and then crank down the highlights.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2015 - 09:05pm PT
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That's a lot of dark space Jim. Dramatic tho.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2015 - 09:07pm PT
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bravecowboy, is that a Point and Shoot camera? Little out of focus for me. But composition of the coyote centered in the white rock and the boulders around the white rock is cool!
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thebravecowboy
climber
banana-jammin' in tennis shoes
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yep, the focus is all f*#ky. I was in a rush and the animal just did not stop but for this one image, and I missed it. Still love this photo though, the different hues in the rock.
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thebravecowboy
climber
banana-jammin' in tennis shoes
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that monochromatic one grabs me the most, man, but I can see why you did what you did in the first case.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jim- I like the first image. It could be a bit brighter so you can see the cliffs, but they still look dark and the peak is a little brighter too. Expose the cliffs the way you want them and then use the highlights to adjust the peak.
The white balance is spot on, and the framing is awesome.
A gradient filter in lightroom would help you accomplish this task very easily.
The mono one is awesome. I would bring down the highlights a bit to combat the glare of the peak.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2015 - 09:35pm PT
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I was all excited to say I was using Manual mode, then I just double checked the exposure mode and.. wah wah wah
some exif fwiw...
f/5.6
220.0 mm
1/500
200
btw, shooting in raw is a pain in the ass. Everything renders slower. Imports and Exports take forever, even less than 80 pics.
Recommendation on how to prevent the color wash out on the top of the flower?
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Awesome shot Munge. Like the foxtails on the right side to keep my eye moving.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2015 - 10:45pm PT
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Thx, the foxtail was a bonus plant. lol
Jim, I haven't done any post on it. Will try that.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2015 - 10:50pm PT
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doesn't make much difference until it starts to darken the image up too much.
Feels like it was right on the edge of the multipoint focus in AF. The Foxtail got part and the bottom edge of the poppy got part, but the petal in back got hosed. lol
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Munge- I love the depth of field you accomplished with the zoom.
the focus is on the foxtails on the right of the image and the flower is slightly out of focus. Was that your intention?
To achieve optimum sharpness at 220mm and f5.6 you would have to be 3798 feet away from the flower. How far away were you from it?
Remember the smaller the aperture the closer the focus, but smaller apertures are more prone to diffraction which causes noise in digital images. (F4=big f32= small)
The key is finding the balance point, and the easiest way to do that is shoot the same shot at many different apertures.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/focus.htm
Maybe try a sharpen filter to bring out that back petal a little more.
Yes, raw can be a pain to import. If you're not using the raw functionality in lightroom, it may not be worth it. But you did say you want to up your game? ;) you could shoot raw+jpg and just save the raw images straight to hard drive for later when you are going to use them.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2015 - 09:02pm PT
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Was that your intention?
How far away were you from it?
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/focus.htm
Yes, raw can be a pain to import. If you're not using the raw functionality in lightroom, it may not be worth it. But you did say you want to up your game? ;) you could shoot raw+jpg and just save the raw images straight to hard drive for later when you are going to use them.
Nope. :) Mostly too lazy to put the other lens on. I started with some shots 30 feet back, then kept moving around depending on where my shadow would sit as the sun was going down.
I think in that shot, maybe 8' or so away.
Will check the link, thx Big Mike!
I just switched to 'raw+jpeg fine' tonight. That's the plan now. At least until I run out of space.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Mostly too lazy to put the other lens on.
what lens was that?
my zoom pretty much sits at home, I don't even bring it... instead I use primes, and especially for flowers.
taken with my FujiFilm S-5Pro DX
55 mm Nikon macro
f8 1/80s ISO 100
shot on a tripod, using a remote trigger and the "mirror up" mode
some mild photoshop to bring up the dark areas and lower the highlights
this is a .jpg made from a .tif developed from the .raw file, apparently the color profile on STForum doesn't match my monitor, etc...
this was gardening blog pornography for Debbie...
I was hoping to get a slightly better image in the drops... here's a 100% crop of the lower drop
I might have had to use a smaller aperture though
I use the on board focus indicator (this is a manual focus lens)
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2015 - 09:18am PT
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Curious, Ed. I use the 55-300 the most. I could have used the 18-55.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2015 - 01:10pm PT
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Going thru some older photos I found some Point and Shoots I liked. All AF mode, but composition seemed worthwhile to me.
The grass and brown leaves shot seems pretty good. No saturation that I recall.
The second pic is good, but I had to crop it pretty hard, so it looses something in terms of getting more field of view.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2015 - 11:22pm PT
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Tonight I used AF, but was playing with where I was putting the focal point of the AF's focus.
While I intentionally got what I want focused on, the composition seems muddled. Partly the subject matter? Maybe I could crop it, but then the light coming through from a horizontal access might be lost?
Where would you crop it?
Different lens?
ƒ/6.3
142.5 mm
1/640
200
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Mar 18, 2015 - 11:47pm PT
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you might think through what you were trying to capture...
here's a flower shot that worked out (almost, the upper right corner has a distraction), late morning light with a dark background
I've been trying to shoot the riot of blossoms on our plum tree for years and haven't gotten the sense of what I'm seeing in a good image yet...
lots of blossoms... a wider lens perhaps, where you have a close in blossom in focus and also capture the other blossoms too
not quite close enough here
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2015 - 06:53pm PT
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wider lens perhaps, where you have a close in blossom in focus and also capture the other blossoms too
Ed, yeah, in my image, I'm shooting up into the trees for the white blossoms shots.
I wonder if it might be one of those impossible shots.
Impossible shots are real! I.e. a particular subject matter, that just doesn't get the light in the way that you want it. And never will because the sun doesn't rotate the earth (KIDDING!) in the right orbit.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Mar 23, 2015 - 10:10pm PT
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the upper right corner has a distraction Plenty of room to crop that.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2015 - 10:57am PT
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New thought on photography, it is all about
Places
People
Patterns
Composition
the first three being categories of subject matter, the last being placement of the first three in the frame view.
Call it a philosophy.
In other news, doing some limited course work in photography over the next couple weeks. Shot a really nice overhanging colorful crack system. Hoping to make it more visible soon. Shot some waterfall shots, loaded those to the waterfall thread. Very excited.
Thimble Berry
CR Mungie (
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 5, 2015 - 08:19pm PT
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Used the long exposure noise reduction setting, manual focus to infinity.
Made the mistake of shooting most with aperture priority mode.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2015 - 02:34pm PT
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Been leveraging manual focus way more, but still not dialing in fstop, etc. So still learning, but creeping along.
Had a tremendously great opportunity to chat with Jerry Dodrill recently and it got me stoked to keep at it. So much to learn, so little time.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Oct 30, 2015 - 08:53pm PT
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Oct 30, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
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Hey Mungeclimber, where is that perfect chalked up splitter at in your photo? Looks classic.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 30, 2015 - 09:04pm PT
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I entered the Monterey Bay Shootout as a beginner (qualified with less than 50 dives with my camera - probably around 10). I really did not have many expectations other than I'd have fun. Spent almost all of my time at Breakwater with the sea lions.
Well at the end of the weekend the strangest thing happened - my name appeared at the top of the winners board. I placed first.
During the awards ceremony where they showed the images that placed and the judges pointed out one of the things they were looking for - do the images show the mood. Here I felt like my images were dark and not crisp clean water. Even as they kept asking me to stand up (5 of 6 of my images placed) to be acknowledged it still didn't occur to me that I'd be walking away with much more than an underwater pencil set.
Here's my favorite image.
The one thing that is absolutely true of this image is it obeys the rule of thirds.
I didn't "win" the event (the intermediate and advanced photog's had better images in my opinion - their problem was they had competition and thus placed less images individually) I just racked up the most points and placed 1st.
My prize I selected - a $3650 all expense paid trip aboard an 8-day live aboard in Papua New Guinea. I've got to cover air fare but for a $25 entry fee I never imagined I walk away with that.
http://www.montereyshootout.com/event-results/2015.php
So have it with the critical critique. Having sat in a stool that Ansel Adams once sat in (the hot seat) I can take it.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Oct 30, 2015 - 09:08pm PT
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 30, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
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Studly - what I like about that image is the sharper reds and yellow in the middle. the back ground goes a bit faded and keeps from being a distraction. The background fading makes those colors pop more.
To be really picky that stick that touches his head is a slight distraction.
You could also do a little brightness adjustment to the sky as it blows out. the information might not be there, however.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Oct 30, 2015 - 09:11pm PT
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 30, 2015 - 09:12pm PT
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Vitaly - f stop and shutter speed?
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 30, 2015 - 09:15pm PT
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Bumping saturation and luminance can be your friend our your foe.
I bumped yellow pretty good on this, just a touch of orange, and gave it some more green.
Maybe too much? Thoughts?
the HDR composition of half dome from snowhazed is stunning
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2015 - 10:12pm PT
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Nature, from what my eye saw, yeah, just a touch over. Try pulling it back a little. Everyone likes a little something different on the saturation/color enhancements. I'm partial to tuning it up, but not over the top.
Studly, it's at the Grotto near Jamestown, CA. Nice cracks, but a bit short.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2015 - 10:25pm PT
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Maybe some brightness to bring this up some.
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Avery
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Oct 30, 2015 - 10:30pm PT
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Nov 23, 2015 - 01:22am PT
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hour long technical description of a camera in development that really is "something else"
"gathering light" http://vimeo.com/143690545
if that's not teaser enough, here's the ad:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
and website: http://light.co
~~~~
if you like the "how things work" genre, the vimeo dealio above is the rubik's cube version ...
drop in at 40min:55sec to see the rez demonstrated by crop/zoom of the eave's corrugated drip edge
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Nov 23, 2015 - 08:35am PT
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Photos taken with Canon EOS Digital Rebel XS. Some are raw images with post processing to enhance color saturation.
Pumori (lucky to be at the right place at the right time; hard to take a bad shot from here) ƒ/8.0 75.0 mm 1/60 100
Sunset from Gorak Shep (Raw image with some post processing to enhance sunset colors) ƒ/8.0 55.0 mm 1/99 400
Mt Everest from Renjo La Pass (Pano of 3 images stitched together in Photoshop; hard to take a bad shot from here) ƒ/8.0 18.0 mm 1/1600 400
Junfraujoch Railway Station and Sphinx Observatory (taken on the descent from the Moench; just lucky to be at the right place at the right time) ƒ/3.5 11.8 mm 1/200 80
Grosser Aletschgletscher (Pano of 3 images stitched together in Photoshop. One of the photo joins is visible by the offset in the shadow just left of center)
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Nov 23, 2015 - 09:07am PT
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Samsung Galaxy- Whodunnit top-out yesterday:
I'm torn on free climbing long difficult routes with a good camera. I always bring my Galaxy so I can record "Tracks" for my son to follow some day- and take a few shots.
Do I give up quality and focus on maximizing my skills with my phone or bring my compact that shoots in RAW as well?
Water, rack of doubles, phone, camera- I get depressed when I pick up my pack.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Nov 23, 2015 - 02:25pm PT
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I only use my compact Fuji (with auto HDR) on climbs. The big camera (& lenses) w/RAW for hikes.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 05:29pm PT
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Posing a climber. We all know the photogs in the mags pose their climbers. Not always, but a lot.
I've found it very difficult to have someone pose for a shot and not change their body posture in a way that makes them seem authentic and or unprompted.
I have a theory that people's awareness of the camera makes them change their muscles in micro ways (assuming sobriety and not crazy).
Aware or unaware?
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2016 - 10:04pm PT
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poliszbob, is that your content/vid?
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Delhi Dog
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Good Question...
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May 25, 2016 - 06:32am PT
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^^
^^
Wow!!
"...redefining our sport..."
ya think?
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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May 25, 2016 - 06:41am PT
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Just a gopro shot.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2016 - 08:07am PT
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Color is so critical for a person/subject. I used to laugh at Tom for people wearing earth tones, but it's true. The pictures look washed out.
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Mungeclimber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2019 - 07:52pm PT
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I seem to have let this thread go dormant.
Alas, I'm hesitant to start adding more pics that aren't quasi-transient.
Flickr backpedaled on their offer of 1TB of free image store for as long as you have an active account. Instead forcing users to pay for more than 1000 images.
The incremental costs of 1TB per user seems nominal after a certain amount. So now users are just creating multiple separate accounts to compensate. Why alienate your user base when you can sell into them with other offers of service that generate higher margins?
Meh, someone will come along at scale, but who?
So my images may fall off the site unfortunately. And others probably too.
Bummer because I want to start shooting in snow.
Anyone have some snow pics?
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Caples Creek near Carson Pass..
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Heres a thing ~ to spur that person posting above this post
purporting to be the master of the "Gems",(Friend)to post up too
He's the real deal a real climber climbing
something Woodson or Bishop?
you sure have one or two
I disabled the comments!
I have to explain; I have an un-fused bad right ankle; So you'll see me struggle to get that 1st foot at the 1st step up[Click to View YouTube Video]this is as it looks On site, ground up cleaning as I go, (ants were a thing) 5.3+? having fun though!
(I have the same with just wind & road noise, Friend, post your "Road Side Arte & Crimp Ladder?)
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Snowpictures. Igotta couple. I wish I was better as knowing how to expose snow shots well. If you underexpose the snow comes out nice but the other subjects get dark. ANd vice versa for overexposing and washing it out.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Scanned slide from the pre-digital archive taken with telephoto and polarizing filter of Eric Collins on Mt Shasta
Scanned slide from the pre-digital archive, Eric Collins below the bergschrund on U-notch
Piz Palu from the klettersteig on Piz Trovat Switzerland taken with my Fuji
Telephoto of the Cathedral Range from Gaylor Lake June 2018
Budd Lake and Cathedral Peak July 2006
Middle Cathedral Rock, December 2015
Pano of 3 photos stitched together in PhotoShop Ouray, Colorado
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