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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 7, 2015 - 09:55am PT
There was another post on this subject (RIP Net Neutrality), but this is a new ballgame.

"The most important FCC vote of our lifetime is about to happen."

Check out this page to learn more:

Team Internet
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 7, 2015 - 10:29am PT
In short: Let the FCC do its job. Right now the agency has no authority over the most important communications medium ever created.

And this is a bad thing?

You want every website to have to go through the licencing requirements and censorship that FCC imposes on everything else under their central control? They aren't selling this that way, but they'll have the authority. Since when has a Fed. Govt. agency underused it's authority?

FWIW The most important communication medium is speech - freedom of speech - however it gets around.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 7, 2015 - 10:30am PT
This is huge.

John Oliver nails it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbOEoRrHyU

KSolem - I really doubt that is what he wants. We want the net to be left alone. Leave it as it is. They shouldn't even be voting.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 7, 2015 - 11:05am PT
Oops. I meant to say "And this is a good thing?"

Damn bad idea. Sorry. Misspoke.

My helo got shot down too.
MisterE

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Feb 7, 2015 - 12:06pm PT
It's all Al Gore's fault.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2015 - 04:31pm PT
Since when has a Fed. Govt. agency underused it's authority?


Oh yeah, let's let large cable companies determine the laws of the internet.
Great idea (not).



And OMG, as nature points out, Oliver hilariously nails it:


[Click to View YouTube Video]
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 7, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
What's wrong with the internet?

Why does this need government attention?

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 7, 2015 - 08:01pm PT
Yeah right Chaz...Those internet monopolies wouldn't take advantage of its' subscribers and i think they shouldn't have competition...that goes against all the principals of a free market system...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 7, 2015 - 08:41pm PT

a free market system...

WTFIT?????

NO SUCH THING
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 7, 2015 - 08:55pm PT
Don't worry, the FCC isn't going to take your porn away.

Uncalled for but typical from a certain type. Someone disagrees with y'all and the first thing is to sling mud. Am I a racist too? I don't know, that one just always seems to come up.

Go ahead, trust the FCC to solve your issues.

I used to work on air crash investigations. Specifically forensic audio from black boxes back when they were analog. The FAA and the NTSB have serious issues. I won't get into it here, not wise on my part. At a campfire someday? You bet.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 7, 2015 - 09:02pm PT

What does it mean to "underuse" authority? Why is that a requirement?

well, the seatbelt law started out as a 50 dollar fine. now it's a felony.

see any algorithm there?

what'ya work for the gov?

Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 7, 2015 - 09:16pm PT
Sure thing - lets continue to let HughesNet, Wildblue and Exceed Satellite ISPs restrict monthly bandwidth to a few Amazon searches and a couple of emails while throttling any "high bandwidth" usage like Netflix or Youtube.

Verizon DSL - the Greyhound Bus of the Internet offering screaming downloads of a little as 200 K while charging you for a supposed 5 Meg. Waiting for their FIOS Fiber to the Home project - keep waiting - funding was killed in 2010 for that project. ATT - no difference - either you have pokey DSL or if you are lucky you have Uverse on fiber - but you pay out the azz for the privilege.

Cable Internet has the speeds - but also has the tendency to choke traffic to "competitors". Have Comcast, Charter or Cox for your ISP and then dare to use Directv for your TV and double dare to use Directv On Demand - count how many times you get "please wait while your video buffers". Hint - it ain't coming from the DTV servers in Phoenix bro.

What we have here is not a failure to communicate but rather a failure by the incumbent ISPs to build out either their last mile networks or their backhaul networks. If a couple of OC48s was good enough in 1999 - it should be good enough in 2015.

So hell yes - let the FCC light a fire under these cash cow as#@&%es and get them to either build up their Networks to the level of South Korea or f'ing Denmark - or get the f out of the way and let other enterprises take the helm.

NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 26, 2015 - 10:42am PT
This is what I thought was the right thing to do about 10 years ago when I was presenting business strategies to telcos. I couldn't advocate that position as part of my job, but it's what I thought was the right thing to do. I'm pleasantly surprised that it's coming to fruition. And I hope it's not something that can withstand the inexorable encroachment of corporate political influence.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/26/net-neutrality-fcc-vote_n_6761702.html

WASHINGTON -- The Federal Communications Commission voted Thursday to approve strong net neutrality rules in a stunning decision that defies vocal, months-long opposition by telecom and cable companies and Republicans on Capitol Hill.

Democratic Commissioners Jessica Rosenworcel and Mignon Clyburn joined Chairman Tom Wheeler to approve a rule that reclassifies consumer broadband as a utility under Title II of the Communications Act.

The FCC intends to use this new authority to ban "paid prioritization," a practice whereby Internet service providers can charge content producers a premium for giving users more reliable access to that content. The FCC also intends to ban blocking and throttling of lawful content and services. These regulations also apply to mobile access. More details about the plan are expected after vote.

"The Internet is simply too important to allow broadband providers to be the ones making the rules," Wheeler said prior to the vote.

At the vote, Clyburn pointed out that "absent the rules we adopt today," ISPs would be "free to block, throttle, favor or discriminate ... for any user, for any reason, or for no reason at all."
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Feb 26, 2015 - 10:49am PT
If those few monopolistic service providers can throttle (require customers to pay extra for higher speeds) - they control most of the information we consume and use, by definition. That includes news, search results, online education, personal communication, and business transactions. Essentially, it allows a few companies to manipulate the entire agenda, including the political one.

Leveling the speed playing field for everyone means those who want to catch up have a shot. The opposite means the poor will get poorer due to reduced access to the web where damn near everything happens these days.

The misinformation campaign about net neutrality - which is a VERY GOOD THING for free, socially responsible society - has apparently been successful. It's incredible to me that anyone is actually arguing against net neutrality.

Website licensing bottlenecks? Really? Do people these days actually know that little about how the internet works?



climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 26, 2015 - 10:52am PT
Net neutrality is one of the most important issues of our generation. The providers of the infrastructure must be required to give equal access to all users and content providers within non artificial hardware limitations.

Millions of dollars are being spent by the providers to promote lies about the concept. You can see many of their successful paid for propaganda points right here on this thread
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Feb 26, 2015 - 10:56am PT
Net neutrality is one shining example of government taking on business for the public good. It should receive nothing but resounding applause.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 26, 2015 - 10:59am PT
FWIW The most important communication medium is speech - freedom of speech - however it gets around.

Thank you, Kris, for being one of the few here that understand what's really at stake here.

Taking on the internet providers for the public good, Tvash? Really? What's going on is that the companies most politically and financially connected with this corrupt administration are getting what they paid for, at the expense of the public good. For shame!

John

Edit:
Net neutrality is one of the most important issues of our generation. The providers of the infrastructure must be required to give equal access to all users and content providers within non artificial hardware limitations.

Why is that? Until today, it's been a free country. You don't like what the internet provider is doing, get a different one.


Iincidentally, if this rule is so wonderful, why hasn't the majority made it public before its vote and adoption? This is corrupt to the core.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Feb 26, 2015 - 11:00am PT
You'll probably need to walk us through that one, John.

Cuz it makes zero sense whatsoever at this point.

Cuz the FCC just voted to protect net neutrality.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 26, 2015 - 11:01am PT
JL I already use access to 3 different ISPs because there are big differences in their service depending on what I wish to do and at what time. SOme of this is simply hardware related and unavoidable. Other is due to artificial restrictions and in my mind unacceptable and requiring of strict regulation to avoid.

We must force a level playing field for independent websites as much as reasonably possible

Are you against this JL?

JL DO you not see the threat to freedom of speech if corporations are able to reduce access to any website they wish?

The internet is the greatest bastion of free speech in the history of... History. Certainly since printing was invented.

It must be protected and all sites should be allowed unfettered fair access to the full power of the internet.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Feb 26, 2015 - 11:06am PT
I really think JLz got this one bass ackwards. Please to google net neutrality now.

Or not, if its just another 'Obama is Bad' thing.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 26, 2015 - 11:10am PT
I have a good feel for JE and I suspect he is very misinformed as to what this is about. Or I am completely misunderstanding his position.

While I understand misgivings about government regulation I am well aware there are very powerful entities that are even less trustworthy than government regarding operating in the public interest.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Feb 26, 2015 - 11:18am PT
I'm always surprised at how effective misinformation campaigns are, but i guess I shouldn't be at this point. After Iraq, anything's possible.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Feb 26, 2015 - 11:23am PT
I remember those heady days when the government was in the hot seat for, oh, invading a non-hostile country for pretty much no reason, spying on all of us in secret, torturing people, giving the largest tax break in history to its rich friends even as it went on a cocaine spending spree which destroyed the surplus, and being on watch during the largest economic collapse since the Depression.

It's a weird world when the same vitriol is dished out for actually doing something absolutely vital for the public good.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 26, 2015 - 11:27am PT
This is merely a commercial battle between competing commercial interests. An article years ago in the Washington Post describes it well:

"Put another way, if net neutrality passes, the AT&Ts of the world will be forced to pay for all of their equipment upgrades themselves and could not subsidize that effort by imposing premium fees for premium services. If net neutrality fails, they will be able to recoup more of those costs than they can now from the likes of Google Inc., Microsoft Corp. and other major users of the World Wide Web.

At its heart, then, the battle is commercial -- over who pays how much for improvements to the Internet that we all use and sometimes love."

from:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/25/AR2006062500735.html

The parties that benefit from net neutrality have been, by and large, significant contributors to this administration's election efforts, but we all know that only the Koch Brothers' cash corrupts the system.

John
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Feb 26, 2015 - 11:31am PT
ATT will have to pay more?

I am crying a RIVER over here!

It's called a business environment, and regulation is part of it.

Adapt or die.

I think ATT will be just fine.

The free speech/equal opportunity implications of net neutrality, particularly given that all eyes are on America on this issue, far outweigh ATT's slightly higher annual maintenance bill.

Sorry to be so callous on that.

The unfortunate but almost required 'Koch' reference unveils the knee jerk partisan thinking behind it - but lo siento senior, this isn't a partisan issue. At all.

Kudos to the Koch brothers for ponying up real money to end mass incarceration in America, BTW. An enemy on one issue can be a friend on another.

That net neutrality financially benefits some corporations over others a) is bidness as usual and b) does not constitute a counter argument for such a huge and far reaching public benefit in terms of free speech and social justice (oh, sorry, that liberal crap just leaked out all of a sudden. MAKE MONEY!!!!!)

The campaign contribution thing is silly data fudging for that conspiratorial messaging so popular among a predictable segment of the population, of course. There has been robust public advocacy for net neutrality for years.

bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Feb 26, 2015 - 11:34am PT
Private utilities that sell us things like electricity and natural gas are already regulated (at the state level, admittedly) so that they don't charge us an arm and a leg for things we (now) consider essential. (Too bad we haven't gotten that far with health care. Go figure.)

Why should things be done differently in this case? And why not by the feds, since the net does indeed go across state lines?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 26, 2015 - 11:44am PT
I consider the net a fundamental basic necessity of modern society. Like Roads and phones and electricity.

The content of the internet is what makes it important. Access to providing content and consuming it is the key importance.

Allowing infrastructure providers to determine levels of access to information is the bigger threat to freedom of speech than the feared opportunity loss in the rate of improved infrastructure.

So far the system of net neutrality has changed the world for the better. I suggest we keep it.

The quote by JE is a bit misleading.. It should read companies like At&T will continue to have to do business as they are currently doing it. They will not be allowed to artificially bottleneck access to those who do not wish to pay extra for full access.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Feb 26, 2015 - 11:48am PT
To the FCC:

THANK YOU.

Tough issue.

Powerful players.

Great job.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 26, 2015 - 12:00pm PT
Dave, I would appreciation your correction, beyond saying that I misunderstand. What is the correct understanding?

Thanks.

John
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 26, 2015 - 12:03pm PT
JL- You are partially right. There is a corporate battle over how to split internet-related revenue between infrastructure providers and content providers. The infrastructure providers are the ones who made the big risks, invested lots of money in sticking wires in the ground, and on some level it sucks that late-comers with a few servers can collect premium revenues while the ones who did the heavy lifting are regulated to make a small profit. On the face of it, that sucks.

But.

The problem is the high financial and logistical barrier to entry for providing the last mile connections. We don't want an unregulated monopoly in that space, but it doesn't make sense for 20 companies to lay wires/fibers to everyone's house. For the sake of basic efficiency, conservative use of resources, and minimal construction disruption to streets and neighborhoods, this infrastructure should be shared to the extent reasonable based on available technology. But then who gets stuck with the bill for doing all that work? Who is stuck with a regulated commodity business while those riding over it get the high-margin high profit business?

A good analogy would be like if a delivery company paved roads to everyone's house, in anticipation of making more profitable deliveries to those houses. Then the government steps in and says "hey these roads are too important for basic life, we can't let any company limit their use." I think this argument is basically right. At the start people didn't recognize the value of this thing a company created, but at some point there is a bigger common value that should not be limited to control by a company. The problem then, is how to compensate the business that made the investment that the government or others were unwilling to make. Aside from that, there is no question that the government should take action to protect "the way of life" of humans when that interest is in conflict with corporate profits. But it needs to be done in a way that does not send a signal to the world that America is too dangerous to invest your money for business. There needs to be reasonable rules and processes.

In an ethical world, this could be agreed upon up front, and the expenses reasonably shared for the common infrastructure. It could be a government expense and we all pay taxes for it. Or given that it has already been built/invested by a few companies as part of an expectation of future profit, perhaps the owners of the last mile infrastructure should be compensated (as for a road right-of-way) and the equipment "nationalized" and maintained going forward by tax revenues or outsourced to a business that manages it on contract for the government like a public utility. Or just maintained as private ownership but heavily regulated so as to keep it as a commodity cheap infrastructure that facilitates other innovative businesses that use the infrastructure. And this last option appears to be what is happening.


I have no idea what sort of compensation if any is happening for those who have invested in the last mile infrastructure. Perhaps none, and that's just a business risk that they understood from the beginning, and why they invested so heavily in lobbyists to reduce their business risk.


But separate from all of this business consideration is the social/political implications of access to voicing one's ideas and to create virtual public assemblies. Public assemblies now happen on vast virtual scales and manipulating who has access to reaching the audience to form those virtual assemblies is tantamount to blocking public assembly, violating the first amendment.

Protecting access to this medium is a huge win for the democratic process. But there is another part of this same issue in which we are still in trouble. The Citizens United case of the Supreme Court a few years back effectively equated money with free speech. So we have a mixed bag now- anyone's access to the Internet as a public distribution medium is now protected, but unfortunately there is now nothing to stop richer rivals from flooding that medium and drowning your message.

In other words, those who are looking for your message can still search and find it if they know where to look, but unless you have enough money to overcome your rivals, your message will be a needle in the haystack and lost to the public. The idea of access to information and ideas to be debated on their merits as a basis for evolving our government- this ideal behind the access to information was perverted in the Citizens United case, and remains as a major danger to a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 26, 2015 - 12:13pm PT
Thanks, NutAgain! The premise, then, is that "last mile conductivity" is a natural monopoly, and should therefore be regulated like a public utility.

Forgive me, though, if I don't accept that premise at face value. The nature of a natural monopoly is one of continuously falling marginal costs. It's not clear to me that broadband service has that characteristic. More importantly, I see no physical barrier to having multiple broadband providers, in contrast to, say, having multiple roads in your example.

In fact, most broadband monopolies that I've observed came about because operators like Comcast (who I despise, but I try not to let personal animus cloud policy decisions) colluded with local governments to create - and share the misbegotten fruit of - a monopoly.

If you really want to "free" the internet from monopolization, pass a national law preempting and prohibiting local restriction on competition in broadband connectivity.

John
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 26, 2015 - 12:28pm PT
I think the last mile is not a natural monopoly as a road would be, but is a natural oligopoly. There a few potential media over which the last mile can be managed:
1) Smoke signals
2) Pigeons
3) Physical media like copper cabling, fiber optics, etc...
4) Radio transmissions (divided by different frequency bands or time division or encoding mechanisms)- in different flavors from neighborhood transceivers to direct satellite distribution

So yes it is possible for a new infrastructure to be deployed in parallel to existing ones, and this is a natural way to handle technology advancements. But from a societal perspective it doesn't make sense for multiple providers to lay in parallel the same expensive technology. There is a natural monopoly for a given last-mile technology, while a few technologies in parallel may competitively coexist and have different advantages in different environments.

A deeper question might be: how to decide who gets the monopoly for a given technology? In the business world it is easy- whoever can convince investors, organize and deploy it first, and buy up competitors to aggregate the biggest business. And along the way they are bribing/convincing local communities or whatever they have to do to get their permits and rights of way through more quickly. Here, it really is a wild jungle and whichever company survives has proven itself to be the best competitor- maybe not for technology alone, but when the full mix of what it takes to survive is considered.

This process would certainly be less efficient, and lead to crappier companies running the show, if a government pre-picks a company to own the monopoly and develop it. The sense of entitlement would not be consistent with good customer service or cost efficiencies, etc. So maybe the way it happens today is not great, but I can't think of anything better. We need to let new technologies run wild for a while, let the strongest competitors emerge and let technology and business processes mature, and then at a critical inflection point, the government steps in to regulate the space to facilitate consumer interest after the winning formula monopolies/oligopolies have emerged. In other words, use laissez-faire business practices to quickly discover the winning formulas, but then impose government regulation when competitive pressures can no longer assure protection of the consumer interest.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Feb 26, 2015 - 12:39pm PT
One big question is who gets stuck with the expensive rural buildouts? If a primary goal is to provide connectivity for everyone (it is), how is the busy divvied up in a given region to make spread service faster? Temporary monopolistic practices can be offered up to pay for more expensive branches.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 26, 2015 - 12:45pm PT
One other subtle point: there can be a distinction between who owns and maintains the physical assets for distributing signals to the last mile (e.g. the wires, and boxes within neighborhoods that facilitate fanning out to all the separate houses), and who owns and maintains the equipment in the "central offices". The COs are the basic distribution points where big equipment lives, that connects tens of thousands of houses to the network between the COs.

The assets from the COs to the houses I think should definitely be regulated, perhaps on the same basis that we consider a free public education (at least through 12th grade) a birthright of our citizens. Access to the internet is clear socio-economic divider. In our society, depriving a household of (or making the household pay a premium for) internet access is akin to giving an economic death sentence to the children raised there. That is why we have various taxes on our phone and internet services that take money out to fund the development of the internet in underdeveloped areas, to level this playing field across the country.

The issue of regulating ISPs to stop them from using their gatekeeper position as a profit source, which would come at the expense of equal access to content distribution, well this issue is more about what happens within the COs and datacenters of the ISPs and is technically not as much about the last mile.

The reason the "last mile" issue and the "content filtering" issues are entwined, is that historically the same company owns both pieces. Your local phone company. But in reality, there is typically a monopoly at the level of the physical assets going to each house and business, but there is a notion of competition within the COs. You may have heard these terms before:

RBOC - regional Bell operating company (the smaller regional companies that resulted when the national AT&T monopoly was dismantled by our government in the interest of consumers)
ILEC - incumbent local exchange carrier (typically the RBOC)
CLEC - competitive local exchange carrier

One of the mechanisms to break up the phone system monopolies was that the incumbent providers had to provide access to their competitors. So there are CLECs- competing companies that can lease space in the central offices of the incumbent carriers, and get their services connected to customers over the wires that are owned by the incumbent carriers. But as the internet has expanded, this has shifted even more. Now there are ISPs that manage their own datacenters in their own facilities, and they just lease the physical cross-connects from your house or business to their own datacenter.


Back to the issue of net neutrality- this is really an issue that lives at the level of the Internet Service Provider, the entity that deals with IP packets and filtering content based on TCP/UDP port or IP addresses or looking deeper into packets to determine what applications are being used. The company doing this is an important gateway that can hinder the distribution of information, and it may or may not be the same as the company that controls the transmission of information across wires or airwaves in the last mile to your house. For the majority of residential Internet users, it is the same company.
Jorroh

climber
Feb 26, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
"The parties that benefit from net neutrality have been, by and large, significant contributors to this administration's election efforts, but we all know that only the Koch Brothers' cash corrupts the system."

No JE post is complete without the "look Ma...they're doing it too!"

Like a broken record.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 26, 2015 - 01:07pm PT
"The parties that benefit from net neutrality have been, by and large, significant contributors to this administration's election efforts, but we all know that only the Koch Brothers' cash corrupts the system."


Let's not forget about people like me, who would have my small ventures devastated within days of being unable to ransom fees to free my websites from being held hostage.

I may be just one person, but there are millions of others in the same boat. We may not have an audible voice alone, but if one cleans the wax from their ears, stops for a few seconds and listens....you can hear us roar. I think we are still all pretty much in shock that net neutrality didn't get the knife.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 26, 2015 - 01:09pm PT
Presidential legacy building... this is something that he must have had a lot of influence over, and is something that should stand as a pinnacle achievement during his presidency:

A note from the President on net neutrality:

The FCC just voted in favor of a strong net neutrality rule to keep the Internet open and free.

That happened, in part, because millions of Americans across the country didn't just care about this issue: You stood up and made your voices heard, whether by adding your names to petitions, submitting public comments, or talking with the people you know about why this matters.

Read a special thank-you message from the President, then learn more about how we got to where we are today:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/net-neutrality
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 26, 2015 - 01:09pm PT
HappieG. writes"

"Let's not forget about people like me, who would have my small ventures devastated within days of being unable to ransom fees to free my websites from being held hostage."



What kinds of problems have you been experiencing?
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Feb 26, 2015 - 01:29pm PT
Chaz..... That is not the question to be asked, and I think you are well aware of that fact. I do not like sneaky, obfuscating tactics like the one you were attempting to employ.


The question would be "What problems would you almost without a doubt experience should the net neutrality bill fail?"

If you actually could stand to have an answer that contradicts your position, that is.

But what do I know.... I'm just a woman trying to survive and build something. Maybe if you would listen to a man who runs a very substantial corporation, about to launch its IPO, on which I rely.

Chad Dickerson, CEO Etsy: http://www.whatthefolly.com/2015/02/26/transcript-etsy-ceo-chad-dickersons-remarks-at-the-fcc-net-neutrality-hearing/
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 26, 2015 - 01:37pm PT
Once again, the conservatives got their facts ass backwards, and are promoting a Corporate take over of the internet

100% wrong as always.
arguing against a free internet using lies providing to them

Net Neutrality keeps the Internet Free for all
why would you want it to be controlled by the pipelines?
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 26, 2015 - 02:50pm PT

According to FCC Comissioner Ajit Pai:

First, President Obama’s plan marks a monumental shift toward government control of the Internet. It gives the FCC the power to micromanage virtually every aspect of how the Internet works. It’s an overreach that will let a Washington bureaucracy, and not the American people, decide the future of the online world. It’s no wonder that net neutrality proponents are already bragging that it will turn the FCC into the “Department of the Internet.” For that reason, if you like dealing with the IRS, you are going to love the President’s plan.

Second, President Obama’s plan to regulate the Internet will increase consumers’ monthly broadband bills. The plan explicitly opens the door to billions of dollars in new taxes on broadband. Indeed, states have already begun discussions on how they will spend the extra money. These new taxes will mean higher prices for consumers and more hidden fees that they have to pay.

Third, President Obama’s plan to regulate the Internet will mean slower broadband for American consumers. The plan contains a host of new regulations that will reduce investment in broadband networks. That means slower Internet speeds. It also means that many rural Americans will have to wait longer for access to quality broadband.

Fourth, President Obama’s plan to regulate the Internet will hurt competition and innovation and move us toward a broadband monopoly. The plan saddles small, independent businesses and entrepreneurs with heavy-handed regulations that will push them out of the market. As a result, Americans will have fewer broadband choices. This is no accident. Title II was designed to regulate a monopoly. If we impose that model on a vibrant broadband marketplace, a highly regulated monopoly is what we’ll get. We shouldn’t bring Ma Bell back to life in this dynamic, digital age.

Fifth, President Obama’s plan to regulate the Internet is an unlawful power grab. Courts have twice thrown out the FCC’s attempts at Internet regulation. There’s no reason to think that the third time will be the charm. Even a cursory look at the plan reveals glaring legal flaws that are sure to mire the agency in the muck of litigation for a long, long time.
And sixth, the American people are being misled about what is in President Obama’s plan to regulate the Internet. The rollout earlier in the week was obviously intended to downplay the plan’s massive intrusion into the Internet economy. Beginning next week, I look forward to sharing with the public key aspects of what this plan will actually do.

He is just an FCC commissioner, WTF would he know? Bottom line is if this was any other president that was a Democrat and especially not black you would be raising hell. You just let this fooker take control of what will be and not be available on the internet. There is not one thing you people have gone against "El Pendejo" for, he really can do no wrong.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 26, 2015 - 02:54pm PT
Disclaimer for above statements should be added.

Ajit Varadaraj Pai (born January 10, 1973) is a Commissioner at the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC). He was nominated for a Republican Party position on the commission by President Barack Obama at the recommendation of Mitch McConnell. He was confirmed unanimously by the United States Senate on May 7, 2012 and was sworn in on May 14, 2012 for a term that concludes on June 30, 2016. Pai previously worked as a lawyer for Verizon Communications.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 26, 2015 - 03:02pm PT
If you own the railroads, your steel business will always beat the competition.

Maybe true, but not necessarily, Dave. If you have a monopoly on the railroads, you cannot earn more monopoly profit by acquiring a monopoly on steel as well. The only reason for the monopolist (whether steel or railroad) to acquire the other business is for efficiency of integration (which, by the way, can result from getting rid of a monopolistic service provider). This is basic industrial organizational theory, that, sad to say, few non-economists consider.

In all of the comments, I find happie's particularly insightful because they touch on what appears to be the real issue: do you trust a private company more than a regulator?

I do not trust regulators, and I do not trust monopolists, but I find very few true monopolies that do not have the muscle of the government keeping that monopoly. History, perhaps too ancient for many on this board to have experienced, guides me. I give you the following three examples of why I mistrust regulation:

1. The California Public Utilities Commission has regulated rates that have no particular relationship to marginal cost. Moreover, they have a history of regulation that has no basis in economic theory or evidence, such as the disastrous "deregulation" of retail electricity rates, but continued regulation of wholesale rates, including a regulated mandate that wholesale electricity could only be purchased on the spot market;

2. The Interstate Commerce Commission ("ICC") regulation of the railroads. Before the ICC, railroads that had the "last mile monopoly" equivalent of 100 years ago gouged shippers with monopoly rates. This caused competitors to spent large amounts of money entering markets and lowering costs. With the competition, some roads failed. Congress created the ICC to regulate the railroads to end monopolistic practices and avoid "ruinous competition." The idea was somewhat similar to what NutAgain! describes - avoid wasteful use of resources but keep things competitive.

Unfortunately, the first effect was to stop railroads from building new, competitive lines. With only bureaucratic restraints, the regulated price of freight dropped, but a new technology, namely trucks with internal combustion engines on paved roads, appeared. The ossified ICC didn't change railroad freight rates quick enough to prevent the new truckers from undercutting railroad rates. The ICC's solution was to regulate the truckers. Guess in which direction trucking freight rates moved!

Trucking was in no way a monopoly, and it also had a cost disadvantage over the railroads in moving freight long distances, but the ICC justified its regulatory imperialism. It wasn't until trucking was deregulated under the Carter administration that overland freight rates rationalized. All commerce benefited.

3. The Civil Aeronautics Board ("CAB") regulated air passenger and freight rates on all interstate flights. Federal regulation of civilian air activities started with safety regulation during the Coolidge administration, and expanded to rates and services regulation under the FDR administration. By the 1950's CAB regulation affected virtually every air market except a few solely within one state, and particularly the San Francisco - Los Angeles city pair. Enter PSA, whose rates were much lower, and service much more frequent, than those of any comparable CAB-regulated carrier.

The CAB justified its rates by saying they needed to charge higher than market rates on popular city pairs to insure the airlines had enough revenue to make up for the low-traffic routes the CAB also forced the airlines to fly. This amount to, as one commentator put it, "[h]aving impoverished grandmothers traveling between Los Angeles and New York subsidizing well to do businessmen traveling between small towns."

CAB fare regulation finally ended for the same reasons ICC regulation of truckers did, and the rates and services rationalized. Yes, air service in many small towns got more expensive and less frequent, but the overall drop in rates, and the consideration expressed above, that the subsidies implicit in the CAB fare and service schedules had no particular claim to fairness, led most everyone to prefer today's competitive madhouse to yesteryear's regulated but abusively high fees.

OK. I've merely shown that regulation is imperfect. But I've really shown more, because both the CAB and the ICC experience show that consumers got a better deal when the regulators got out of the picture.

Again, I find most monopolies on broadband come from deals between municipalities and would-be monopolistic ISP's. Instead of regulating how the ISP prices and services, why not bring in more ISP's and let the market do its thing. The experience with transportation of tangible goods strongly suggests the market will do a better job than the regulators.

John
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 26, 2015 - 03:19pm PT
Net Neutrality Means NO Commi Muslim Obama Regulations!!!!

You are way off, neutrality means it's free of the regulations you talk about.
Please let us know when you get it, and then you can apologize publically for your posts.

I don't expect JE to apologize, he still supports Citizen's United, he can just deny the ramifications, and then blame the Dems for spending the same as the Big Buck Republicans.

Like they have a choice, if the opposition is going to spend 1 billion dollars, what choice do you have?
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 27, 2015 - 01:27pm PT
The vote was 3 Dems outvoting the 2 Repubs.
Repubs were in favor of letting corporate interests screw the citizens.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 27, 2015 - 01:33pm PT
They voted. It's done. It's over. No much more to say.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Feb 27, 2015 - 01:57pm PT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality

USA Today article
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/02/24/net-neutrality-what-is-it-guide/23237737/
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 27, 2015 - 02:03pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Feb 27, 2015 - 02:51pm PT
Haro!

So, let me get this straight. Government is evil and incompetent - unless it's packin', in which case...Support the Troops!

Saku!
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Feb 27, 2015 - 03:02pm PT
Haro!

So let me get this straight - corporate monkeys are perfectly competent, even the ones at Comcast customer service, who make Seal Team Six look like the Tely Tubbies.

Saku!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 27, 2015 - 04:31pm PT
@ Dave Koz upthread.

Your right I had a bug up my **z that day. Oh well, that's the way it goes sometimes. Sorry.

I guess at this point we'll have to see how it works out in 5, 10 years. I really hope the supporters of this regulation are right. Last thing I want is to say "I told you so." Really.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 27, 2015 - 04:40pm PT
Lawless: Having Been Shot Down by Federal Courts Twice In Attempting to Vote Themselves Powers Not Granted Them By Congress, Obama's FCC Violates the Law a Third Time and Once Again Pronounces Themselves Lords of the Internet
—Ace

The left has been agitating for this endlessly, and twice before -- in 2010, I think, and then again in 2014 -- the FCC acted unconstitutionally to assert power over the Internet, bequeathing upon themselves a jurisdiction never delegated to them by Congress.

In 2014, the last time a Federal Court told the FCC it was acting unconstitutionally, there were suggestions that it would try again a third time, this time by using a different tactic.

It has now in fact used that tactic. The internet is an "information service" over which the FCC has no power. So the FCC has decided, on its own authority, to declare the Internet a "telecomunications service," over which it does have authority.

Note that Congress did not make this important change in definition. An agency charged with executing the law as Congress passes it has decided that it itself would change the law.

We are no longer a democracy, and as there is no longer even a fictive consent of the governed in our laws, there no longer exists any philosophical basis for obeying the government. Now obedience is simply required by practical considerations: because they will kill or imprison you if you don't obey.

Whether this move is good or bad is besides the point. But it is, you know, as bad as you would guess.


Peter Suderman considers the possibility that this Will To Power Grab will itself be struck down in court; I suppose the odds of that are good, but I do wonder at what point people stop resisting fascist tyranny, and simply give in to it, when the out of control and frankly terrifying government demonstrates that it simply will not stop until it collects all political power into its hands.

In the meantime, though, it means that the FCC has taken an unprecedented and fear-reaching step in order to make good on one of the Obama administration's long-running political priorities--a step that solves no significant existing problem, but is instead designed largely to fend off hypothetical harms, and give the agency far more power over the Internet in the process.

As Commissioner Pai told ReasonTV, the move is a "solution that won't work to a problem that doesn't exist." It is a solution, however, that is now in place, and is sure to create some problems of its own.


What is truly shocking is the complete disdain this Administration has for the rule of law and for our constitutional processes. They understand that these are the moves of a fascist tyranny, and they're okay with that.

We no longer live in a democratic republic, in which the ordinary citizen can be said, at least constructively, to have consented to the laws which bind him; we now simply live under whatever laws the gangsters occupying our government have decided to inflict upon us.

Beginning in 2009, the American Government went to war with the people it supposedly "served;" in 2015, it won that war.
Posted by Ace at 03:11 PM Comments
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Feb 28, 2015 - 06:35am PT
Dave Kos wrote:
Here are some people - people that I'm sure none of you have ever seen before on the internet - that can help explain:
LOL, that was great. Also thanks for your insightful graph of the Comcast scandalous behavior.

JEleazarian wrote:
OK. I've merely shown that regulation is imperfect. But I've really shown more, because both the CAB and the ICC experience show that consumers got a better deal when the regulators got out of the picture.

John,
Like you, I have a natural skepticism toward regulators, understanding that regulation is necessary in many things but that regulation can also be very counter-productive in many different ways. I believe that capitalism does not eliminate corporate greed, but it does render it relatively harmless when applied without government special favors, and has brought more people in the world out of poverty than any other economic system.

However:

The first time this internet regulation was struck down by the courts was because it was classified as an information service.
This time the case for net neutrality is based on the internet being a public utility. There are some merits to this side of the debate.

In rural Alaska, some users of skype have seen their bandwidth restricted by the ISP because the ISP's toll charges for their phone service was impacted by the use of Skype. Of course this was possible because of the monopolistic nature of phone and internet service in rural Alaska. Not sure how you fix this, because service in these areas is not very profitable, yet people need the internet for many essentials of life today, so rural service in Alaska is subsidized by government.

Dave Kos's graph on the Comcast squeeze of Netflix is another example of an ISP unethically looking to be the gatekeeper of what they see as a money spicket.

In addition, many of these ISP providers have been given tens of millions of dollars in tax breaks (subsidies) to improve their infrastructure. Their track record in carrying this out is abysmal.

In today's world, the internet truly is a utility. While I agree with many of your points, the nature of internet infrastructure does not lend itself to the same competition as most other industries. I am afraid that these big corporations overplayed their hand as if they were a Clinton Foundation on this one.

We'll see how the courts proceed.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 2, 2015 - 05:00pm PT
Net Neutrality backgrounder:

http://www.cnet.com/news/net-neutrality-a-reality-fcc-votes-to-bring-internet-under-utility-style-rules/?ftag=CAD9f89b0c&bhid=26225615069149790544657689695128
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Mar 2, 2015 - 05:29pm PT
I don't get the debate here. Only one of two things were going to happen: 1) Telecom giants become the sole overlords of what is, deny it or not, a vital public utility, or 2) the Federal government steps up and say "no" using their only available option. What's the kerfuffle?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 2, 2015 - 05:45pm PT
Ted Cruz calls it the 'Obamacare' of the Internet. Does that explain it?

It's politics, clear & simple...anything that the Republicans can spin against Obama, and they're gonna use it.

There's no room for rational thought here.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Mar 2, 2015 - 05:51pm PT
No Apogee, it doesn't! Are we discussing the fact that the Fed stepped in to stop the republicans and the telecoms from screwing us? Cause that parts over. It's been stopped. So, is the debate here centered around the way Fox and friends tries to spin it? Because that's not really a debate at all.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Mar 2, 2015 - 05:53pm PT
Actually, Dingus, I'm taking the time to try to figure out what you guys are trying to accomplish with all this. So show some respect, pal.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 2, 2015 - 06:01pm PT
"So, is the debate here centered around the way Fox and friends tries to spin it? "

Yes. Exactly.

Pretty much any Republican would bitch and moan about how fecked up their internet had become if that ruling hadn't occurred the way it did, and the private corporate interests were allowed to privatize yet another public utility to their own profit-oriented advantage.

But because Hannity & Co told them that this is just another socialist Obama plot, they fall in line with it....hook, line, and sinker. No room for rational thought here...just partisanship for the sake of partisanship.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Mar 2, 2015 - 06:22pm PT
Wow. If we're going to discuss our satisfaction, or lack of satisfaction, with how fox news and the conservative media present current events, we're going to need a lot more threads. A way, way way lot more threads. So many, in fact, that it probably deserves it's own forum.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Mar 12, 2015 - 10:56am PT
http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-open-internet-order-separating-fact-fiction

Full order:
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf

excerpt:
The benefits of rules and policies protecting an open Internet date back over a decade and must continue. Just over a year ago, the D.C. Circuit in Verizon v. FCC struck down the Commission’s 2010 conduct rules against blocking and unreasonable discrimination. But the Verizon court upheld the Commission’s finding that Internet openness drives a “virtuous cycle” in which innovations at the edges of the network enhance consumer demand, leading to expanded investments in broadband infrastructure that, in turn, spark new innovations at the edge. The Verizon court further affirmed the Commission’s conclusion that “broadband providers represent a threat to Internet openness and could act in ways that would ultimately inhibit the speed and extent of future broadband deployment.”

Threats to Internet openness remain today. The record reflects that broadband providers hold all the tools necessary to deceive consumers, degrade content, or disfavor the content that they don’t like. The 2010 rules helped to deter such conduct while they were in effect. But, as Verizon frankly told the court at oral argument, but for the 2010 rules, it would be exploring agreements to charge certain content providers for priority service. Indeed, the wireless industry had a well-established record of trying to keep applications within a carrier-controlled “walled garden” in the early days of mobile applications. That specific practice ended when Internet Protocol (IP) created the opportunity to leap the wall. But the Commission has continued to hear concerns about other broadband provider practices involving blocking or degrading third-party applications.

Congress could not have imagined when it enacted the APA almost seventy years ago that the day would come when nearly 4 million Americans would exercise their right to comment on a proposed rulemaking. But that is what has happened in this proceeding and it is a good thing. The Commission has listened and it has learned. Its expertise has been strengthened. Public input has “improve[d] the quality of agency rulemaking by ensuring that agency regulations will be ‘tested by exposure to diverse public comment.’” There is general consensus in the record on the need for the Commission to provide certainty with clear, enforceable rules. There is also general consensus on the need to have such rules. Today the Commission, informed by all of those views, makes a decision grounded in the record. The Commission has considered the arguments, data, and input provided by the commenters, even if not in agreement with the particulars of this Order; that public input has created a robust record, enabling the Commission to adopt new rules that are clear and sustainable.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Oct 24, 2016 - 01:28pm PT
The Industry Strikes Back!
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/02/zero-rating-what-it-is-why-you-should-care

(FYI: The Electronic Frontier Foundation is a very reputable and honorable group that I have respected since I came to know about them when I started working in the Internet technology industry in the mid 1990s).

So network infrastructure providers can't legally use their network transport service to act as a gate that blocks traffic from others or prefer their own. Thanks to the FCC (and lots of private citizen's comments) for that!

But, what they can do (because regulations haven't caught up yet) is to charge an arm and a leg for data plans (not singling out any content) and then say their own content streams don't count against the cap. That is not technically prioritizing their own packets. And it is not explicitly charging more for packets from other content providers. It's just an end-around to do the same thing they've always wanted: to be robbers on the information super-highway, to collect tolls from other content vendors and make them pay the extortion so they can be bundled into the "zero charge" content offered by the providers.

What makes this even more troubling is the recent news (which is what set off my alarm bells and look into the Zero Rating thing), that AT&T is trying to merge with Time Warner (the content part, not the cable provider- but still, it's a massive library of content and digital properties that will be available for this Zero Rating game). F that! Smart engineers created these wonderful Internet protocols designed to route around single points of failure and work in a very decentralized way, but the politics and business world have managed to Fvck it up beyond belief into consolidated single points of control.

We are living in the golden age of access to information, and I predict our children will have less access to information than we do because of the stifling role of business Balkanization and paywalling content. It is even more troubling when considering the financial influence of businesses into our political process, and how much our political process relies on people's access to information to make informed decisions. It's a dangerous 2-way street.

What would this election cycle look like if we didn't have all the video streamed everywhere of Trump making an ass of himself?


On topic: I still stand by the conclusions I came to in 2004, that "last-mile" (update now to include wireless) network transport providers should be run as strictly regulated monopolies like electricity, gas, water. I couldn't say that in my job role at the time, but that was my informed position. It's not cost efficient to double-up with competing physical cable plants or wireless towers (except for technology diversity and resiliency), and they should be either explicitly run by a government agency or as a private business with dirt-low margins and closely regulated by government agencies. There should be every precaution taken to prevent the folks who control this access from having a business interest in what content goes over the network. That is a hideous conflict of interest from which nothing good can come.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Oct 25, 2016 - 08:58pm PT
Sanders: ‘We must do everything possible’ to press Clinton on AT&T-Time Warner - The Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/10/25/sanders-we-must-do-everything-possible-to-press-clinton-on-att-time-warner/

He's keeping his eye on the ball ;)
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jan 23, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
One more dimension of the "nuclear option" of our national elections... say goodbye to Net Neutrality. Now folks who sell you the Internet access will legally be allowed to have a stranglehold on what you can access.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/01/23/meet-donald-trumps-official-new-fcc-chairman-ajit-pai


Don't like it? Sure, just get another Internet provider... Let's see, I've got 30-100Mbps from Spectrum (formerly Time Warner Cable) and they call me several times a week trying to get me to buy phone and TV from them which I keep refusing.... Or I can go for less than 10Mbps from AT&T who will also block my access to content they don't profit off of... or I can have 100kbps satellite or something stupid like that with huge latency.

WTF? Not only are we bombarded with "alternate facts" but very soon we will lose our access to our own honest search for rational facts, lose our right to virtual on-line assembly, when AT&T and Spectrum decide it's not politically expedient to allow its customers to view Elizabeth Warren chewing out potential cabinet appointees. The days of the low cost wild west Internet are drawing to a close.

It's almost surreal how quickly our society can potentially unravel with all of the sh!t coming together at once. I don't want to be all whiner and dramatic about it, but it's hard to overstate what this means for our future. Our access to information will be back to the tightly controlled fist of a few companies, and the folks trying to spread rational facts will be blasted back to printing presses and disseminating paper hand-outs.

How many years- months?- will it take until we have "state of emergency Internet black-outs" for our safety, to protect us from evil rioters, to stop people from organizing protests?
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Jan 23, 2017 - 09:53pm PT
The noose tightens...
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Mar 23, 2017 - 02:11pm PT
Another front of the battle that really calls for its own thread, but I'll lump it here because it all ties together:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/23/521253258/u-s-senate-votes-to-repeal-obama-era-internet-privacy-rules

Not only are we losing access to information with the loss of net neutrality, but also losing our power to stop very wealthy people and corporations from spying on every one of us who use the Internet. The people we get our Internet access from, aside from giving every single bit (literally) of data we send or receive to government agencies, are now going to be allowed to sell the data to anyone who wants to buy it.

"I don't have anything to hide" you might say. Invasion of privacy is not the worst of it. Would you go into a bar or a sporting event or a car dealership or a place where you are negotiating the purchase for something, and start talking about the things in your life that make you feel the most vulnerable, your family problems or marital issues or unruly kids or debt you are struggling to repay or addictions you are trying to beat... would you share all of your weakest points and all the things that make you react in ways you are not proud of? Is that the stuff that you would offer to strangers who are trying to take advantage of you in a business transaction? Does this seem like I am being paranoid and reaching too far?

I was recently was reading an article (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency); that discusses a bit about Cambridge Analytica, a company that Steve Bannon convinced Robert Mercer to invest in and to help Breitbart News better target its audience and prepare for presidential campaigning. Robert Mercer made his money by writing software that gamed the stock market and found loopholes to beat (cheat?) the system, to operate faster and with more cunning than the human traders, to analyze huge sets of data to find patterns (sort of an early version of machine learning and artificial intelligence). Now he is supporting companies to do that with our political system. What they did was take all the data from people viewing Breitbart news, identify which keywords and which issues related to Hillary-bashing etc. that most pissed people off, and figured out how to better push the emotional buttons of as many people as possible to improve campaign strategy and election outcome for Trump.

From the front page of Cambridge Analytica:
Communication has changed. Blanket advertising no longer provides viable ROI for every campaign. Big data revolutionized the way organizations identify and locate their best prospects. But data alone isn’t enough. Cambridge Analytica is building a future where every individual can have a truly personal relationship with their favorite brands and causes by showing organizations not just where people are, but what they really care about and what drives their behavior.

"There are no longer any experts except Cambridge Analytica. They were Trump's digital team who figured out how to win."

Imagine now a company like Cambridge Analytica having access to every bit of data of every household in a America to micro-target and manipulate EVERYONE. That horse has just about left the stable already with Facebook and other social platforms that make customized manipulation easier. Cambridge Analytica claims to have unique profiles on 240 million Americans (according to the New Yorker article). But now the very act of seeking information from impartial sources, even if you opt out of all the Facebook crap and try to resist theft of your personal information, can and will be used against you and all of us to arm anyone with enough money that wants to manipulate us.

What are we now, ~2 months into Trump presidency? I'm aging quickly here. Every week seems like a year.

Apple, Google, Microsoft, and others are all heavily invested in analyzing big data and profiling everyone... and they have a lot more computing resources. And this is saying nothing of our government agencies that will combine this all with image recognition and location tracking via cell phones, and cameras at each intersection.... all this stuff makes me feel as small and insignificant as sitting on the edge of Death Valley. Maybe more so.

NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
May 8, 2017 - 09:07am PT
The inventor of the web Tim Berners-Lee on the future of the internet, 'fake news,' and why net neutrality is so important - Business Insider
https://apple.news/AkqnIgXkiQNuLbpxkV8cZhQ

For clarity, this guy didn't "invent the World Wide Web" exactly... He created the first Mosaic web browser (which morphed into Netscape and then Firefox) as a way to combine hyperlink file format technology with accessing remote resources. Before that, universities and businesses used command line (like a DOS or a UNIX prompt) to interact with remote devices, and to a limited extent with other people.

NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
May 8, 2017 - 04:37pm PT
Ok gang, this guy does a great job of explaining why we should give a sh!t about Net Neutrality and what is going on right now... and he does it for a wide audience that needs jokes every few seconds so their heads don't explode or go into a coma:

[Click to View YouTube Video]

HOW TO GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK TO FCC

http://gofccyourself.com
--> express
--> comment

In your response, mention that you support Net Neutrality, and that ISPs need to be accountable under the rules of Title II from the Communications Act of 1934.


More background on Title II verses what alternatives might creep up:
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/what-is-title-ii-net-neutrality-fcc/

NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
May 18, 2017 - 12:48pm PT
http://www.pcmag.com/news/353753/fcc-officially-votes-to-gut-net-neutrality-rules
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jul 12, 2017 - 08:31am PT
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/12/15715030/what-is-net-neutrality-fcc-ajit-pai-bill-rules-repealed

Nice article summarizing issues and highlighting how little competition there is in the Internet Service Provider space. Rather than looking at how to use the anti-trust laws to protect citizens, the present administration put in place a former Verizon lawyer to head the regulatory body. Fox guarding the hen house. Pai was clear in his policy position before coming into this role of more power, and as expected is moving to ensure that the monopolies can do whatever the heck they want to maximize profit, completely to the detriment of customer experience and equal access to information.

#MAGA
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jul 12, 2017 - 04:38pm PT
https://www.battleforthenet.com/july12/
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