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Scalparm
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 21, 2015 - 02:40pm PT
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Can someone please explain to me what the requirements are for claiming a free ascent of something? I am very impressed by the efforts and achievements of Caldwell and Jorgeson, but I don't understand how their objective has been accomplished since they fell several times and it took them 19 days. For example, if I fell on anything multi-pitch or other I would still consider it a project. Is it different with first ascents?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 21, 2015 - 02:55pm PT
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You must mail a 3-page inquiry and $100 US to GDavis, 4558 My House Lane, CA...
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 21, 2015 - 02:58pm PT
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I understood it to be that they each climbed every pitch without falling, as part of a single "push" leaving the ground and then reaching the top. A fall means to go to the last belay (or last no holds rest) and re-climb from that point. In this case, the definition of push is a bit extended given the extra people bringing supplies to them. But until I can climb pitch after pitch of 5.14 and do it better, I'm not going to question that approach.
GDavis, I tried to set up a Wells Fargo Bill Pay but they wouldn't process it without a zip code...
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 21, 2015 - 02:58pm PT
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FFA= they climbed every pitch free from the bottom up. That's it.
FCFA (first continuous free ascent)= each partner climbs every pitch free, no falls, no redo's. You fall you start again at the bottom.
Edited for a good point.
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Johannsolo
climber
Soul Cal
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Jan 21, 2015 - 03:01pm PT
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So a top rope is a FFA. Just hands and feet.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 21, 2015 - 03:02pm PT
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Haha they're on ellen! Lol
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LearningTrad
Trad climber
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Jan 21, 2015 - 03:18pm PT
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Johannsolo
climber
Soul Cal
Jan 21, 2015 - 03:01pm PT
So a top rope is a FFA. Just hands and feet.
Wait...
You local?
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Denver, Colorado
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Jan 21, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
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Oh well, it's too bad if they didn't get the first free ascent. They made a really great effort, though.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Jan 21, 2015 - 03:35pm PT
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Actually, yes, a toprope ascent can be a FFA. There are many climbs like that in Josh.
Come on people, this is climbing 101
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 21, 2015 - 03:44pm PT
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So on a multi pitch climb you would have to toprope every pitch in order to qualify for ffa? Tommy and Kevin had freed every pitch prior to this ascent, but not in one push..
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Jan 21, 2015 - 03:53pm PT
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I think that Mike's FCFA is what climbers consider it,
and FFA is what the general public considers it...
with just hands and feet and a baby in a back-pack...
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jan 21, 2015 - 03:58pm PT
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On this particular climb each one of them led all the crux pitches clean (no falls, no takes). When they fell, they lowered and came back to send the pitch in a few hours or on another day.
When I think of a multi pitch FFA, I believe to claim it, the team has to either swing leads with every crux pitch being led clean by someone and the whole thing being climbed without any falls/takes by at least one of the climbers. If the leader falls, he/she will pull the rope and try to send the pitch again or the other teammate is gonna give it an attempt. If he/she did they can keep going. If neither of them can send the pitch, they can't claim the FFA.
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R.B.
Big Wall climber
47N 122W
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Jan 21, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
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The moment you weight a piece of gear, such as in a piece catching a lead fall, YOU ARE AID CLIMBING! FFA ... I don't think so.
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rurprider
Trad climber
Mt. Rubidoux
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Jan 21, 2015 - 05:47pm PT
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+1....for the Bumper Stickers for the HATERS!! Two for Scalparm (front & back).
Tommy and Kevin = FFA of the Dawn Wall, but alas not FCFA. Great tenacity, perseverence, determination........simply INSPIRATIONAL!!!!
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R.B.
Big Wall climber
47N 122W
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Jan 21, 2015 - 05:56pm PT
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I long for the days of the Traditional and purist style of First Ascents:
On-sight lead, from the ground up, no previewing, no rehearsing, no sculpting, no preplaced gear, no falls, no hangs, no lowering down and trying it again. You fall or misjudge, your done. You want to claim a FFA, use a style to be proud of ... this is nothing more than "glorified flag-pole sitting."
but these boys can send some pretty sick stuff, so for that -- some style points may be warranted for the first Big-Wall Bouldering ascent)
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jan 21, 2015 - 06:33pm PT
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RB on the Salathe
What happened to the day when people only used their hands and feet to get their ass up the rock?! Jumaring up sh#t you can't climb...what a wanker.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 21, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
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I long for the days of the Traditional and purist style of First Ascents:
I long for the days when being the best in the world was only 5.12
Conform to my rules you damn 5.14 climbers! WTF 5.15?
WHAT?!! 5.12 is the new 5.10?
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RP3
Big Wall climber
Twain Harte
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Jan 21, 2015 - 08:12pm PT
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Drljefe posted this a while back. It is what all of these threads sound like to me:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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coolrockclimberguy69
climber
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Jan 21, 2015 - 09:23pm PT
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The nitpicking regarding this proud ascent is second only to the media coverage.
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R.B.
Big Wall climber
47N 122W
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Jan 21, 2015 - 11:21pm PT
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Vitaliy -- Really?? -- While I am not a troll I had to express my opinion. I typically hold to a higher standard when selecting a style by which to climb by and if I would claim something in climbing history, I would be sure that is stellar. I certainly do not claim to be able to boulder at such standards, but I stand by what I posted above as to what a “FFA” really is.
What KJ and TC both accomplished is a 19-day ascent, and they deserve credit in history and bragging rights for what they accomplished -- by piecing together (rope-bouldering) all the moves of an extremely difficult 2900-ft El Cap aid line, and free variations thereof. But it is not “Free Climbing” … it’s bouldering with a rope on a big-wall using aid. They used siege tactics, had assistance from others, previewed, rehearsed and preplaced protection and ultimately fell multiple times and weighted gear. The style they used is best described as a rehearsed, big-wall rope-bouldering ascent using aid (because they weighted their equipment/ropes – which by definition make it 6th class or “Aid.”) It’s really, as simple as that. – the ascent is not exactly the purist definition of a first free ascent (FFA) style -- such as the enviable “on-sight flash, no falls, no hangs.” And while this story is culturally significant, they are not the first in history to claim or accomplish this on El Cap.
In 1985, the Salathe Wall had not yet been “rope-bouldered” (my term). In 1988 an FFA was climbed, claimed and named “Salathe Free” by Paul Piana and Todd Skinner (R.I.P.) at about 5.13b (pitch 20 below El Cap Spire). The style they used is similar to the same as this current story.
BITD - John Bachar (R.I.P) was considered by many as the purest climber of his era (’80-‘90’s)… and not too many climbers would argue that he wasn’t pushing the free-soloing/climbing standards that many today would consider difficult to repeat. Also, today I believe Alex Honnold’s big-wall free-solo ascent style truly establishes what the purist standard of big wall climbing will ever become – great style, but too sporty for me because “I want to live.” With big-wall free-soloing style, you climb it or you die. It is so binary (true or false – zero or one). Most climbers are not solid enough to accept the grave consequences of a miscalculation.
Now regarding my 1985 photo, from a mere 30 years ago, that you posted from my collection, if you might have recognized in the photo that I was following (jumaring) as the second on the 5.10b “Block Pitch” of the Salathe’ Wall –And then, it was (and still is) common big-wall practice to “jumar” as the second while cleaning the gear as the leader hauls the bag (pig) from above. While as the follower, I could have top-rope, free climbed, or heck even just pull the rope and relead the pitch, but it really doesn’t matter if I did, because I could have, but it wasn’t my lead; it was more about the adventure.
With all said you really should better know your stuff before you spend too much time posting meaningless and inflammatory personal attacks about me or about other people you don’t even know anything about. You have no idea as to what the depth of my climbing capability is.
Read the big-wall pioneer history: Royal Robbins and Warren Harding interviews (perspectives), in the “Vertical World of Yosemite” for more insight on this very subject, it’s a good read.
P.S.- Big-wall free-soloing is potentially fatal, and I personally do not endorse nor recommend such style of climbing. Use a rope, set some gear, and push your limits, maybe take a screamer, but most importantly live to tell about it!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 21, 2015 - 11:27pm PT
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It's all good.
and...It's official! EL cap has never been free climbed.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 21, 2015 - 11:31pm PT
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word has it that Alex is planning to free-solo the Dawn Wall next spring,
self will? that is your ego telling people how to behave on the internet, in an effort to boost a depleted and bombed out self esteem,
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R.B.
Big Wall climber
47N 122W
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Jan 21, 2015 - 11:42pm PT
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Even tho I think Alex might be able to pull off such a feat ... I really would rather not have anything bad result from his efforts ... life is too good to gamble on a really crimpy overhanging painful ... etc.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
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Jan 21, 2015 - 11:43pm PT
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On this particular climb each one of them led all the crux pitches clean (no falls, no takes). When they fell, they lowered and came back to send the pitch in a few hours or on another day.
This is not true. Unless I missed something with the live feed on the last day...the leader of the last 5.13 pitch(Pitch 31) fell, but did not pull the rope. Please correct me if I am wrong, this was an incredible effort by two very good climbers, but I was watching to see what happened when the leader fell and it looked to me like he didn't pull the rope and start over at the bottom.
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R.B.
Big Wall climber
47N 122W
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Jan 21, 2015 - 11:45pm PT
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It's really easy to lose the mojo with a 2700 foot abyss gnawing at you?
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Johannsolo
climber
Soul Cal
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Jan 22, 2015 - 02:38am PT
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Yo-yo is free climbing if you lower to a no hands rest. How dare any of you to question this FFA.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jan 22, 2015 - 05:55am PT
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Actually, yes, a toprope ascent can be a FFA. There are many climbs like that in Josh.
Come on people, this is climbing 101
Baloney, this is only the FTR(first toprope). The FA has to be from the ground up, nothing connecting the climber to the top.
To be or not to be? The question is how can you chop a route that isn't there?
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jan 22, 2015 - 06:01am PT
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RB makes some good points. Worth debating, but the climb stands as one of the great achievements in the sport, whatever you call it.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 22, 2015 - 08:49am PT
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10-09-30 8b+ Tough Enough Tsaranoro Valley / Karambony FA first free ascent in one day, what extraordinary piece of rock! did it first day, all pitches onsighted/flashed (saw a video) except 7th and 9th.
L1 7b+,L2 7c+,L3 8a+,L4 7c,L5 8a+,L6 8a+,L7 8b+,L8 8b+,L9 8b+, L10 8b ***
Apparently Adam Ondra still considers it an FFA if he has to redo a pitch.....
This is not true. Unless I missed something with the live feed on the last day...the leader of the last 5.13 pitch(Pitch 31) fell, but did not pull the rope. Please correct me if I am wrong, this was an incredible effort by two very good climbers, but I was watching to see what happened when the leader fell and it looked to me like he didn't pull the rope and start over at the bottom.
Yup. KJ never pulled the rope. So it was a yo-yo ffa
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LearningTrad
Trad climber
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:07am PT
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Yep. The T is definitely NOT flowing today.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:44am PT
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I typically hold to a higher standard when selecting a style by which to climb by and if I would claim something in climbing history, I would be sure that is stellar.
Obviously you personally did not put anywhere close to a fraction of effort into rock climbing as Tommy and Kevin have. Their skills are a result of hard work and commitment. And it is not about what YOU want for them, it is about what they are ok with for themselves. If they think what they did was the absolute best they could give the wall at the moment, that should be fine with everyone. Them working for 7+ years and spending 19 days on a wall is not enough for YOU? LOL
They used siege tactics, had assistance from others, previewed, rehearsed and preplaced protection and ultimately fell multiple times and weighted gear.
I don't think anyone ever denied that. No one claimed it was some perfect pure style. They worked the moves for years and they tried to link the pitches together from bottom to the top. At times jumaring back up to "send" the next pitch in line, than rapelling down etc etc. It is what it is. It is not for me, it is not for you, it is for THEM. It is their climb. For f*#k's sake, don't we all go to the mountains to explore ourselves? Why do we feel the need to whip out our e-penis and piss on someone's campfire if it is more developed than ours? As long as they did not lie about what they did, it is fine with me. Personal journey is what matters.
but it really doesn’t matter if I did, because I could have, but it wasn’t my lead; it was more about the adventure.
Maybe Tommy KNOWS that he COULD HAVE done it in a day solo, but decided it is about having fun and instagramming his sandwiches from the wall for 19 days. Since ten million of armchair mountaineers, has beens, never will bes and morons will talk about it for years to come, why the hell not eh!?
What is more adventurous, climbing an established (in 1961) trade route big wall with a topo, or trying to free climb the blankest looking face of El Cap?
With all said you really should better know your stuff before you spend too much time posting meaningless and inflammatory personal attacks about me or about other people you don’t even know anything about. You have no idea as to what the depth of my climbing capability is.
Don't give a sh#t about the depth of your climbing capability, guys you climb with, what you have done or who f*#ked up your hair cut. I guess you must be a below average climber if you jumar 10b pitches. :) Welcome to the internet. Any insecure wanker can school you on style and about ways to be better. Isn't it awesome?!
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RP3
Big Wall climber
Twain Harte
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Jan 22, 2015 - 10:20am PT
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BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 22, 2015 - 10:23am PT
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R.B Done got had. LOL
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jan 22, 2015 - 10:26am PT
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not really
blahblahblahballcupblahblahblah
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ron ray
climber
seattle
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:04am PT
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I'm always amused by these boards but never post, as I'm only an armchair climber now and never was all that good.
But as fascinating as it is to see y'all debate whether Tommy and Kevin did an FFA, a FTRA, a Yo-Yo Ma or something else, they weren't hanging on gear and were upfront about their tactics.
So it might be best to temper your criticism until someone does it better. I'll be happy to honor the guy or gal who does the first nude barefoot free solo as well. Anything else is artificial, right?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:06am PT
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The climber would have to raise themselves and not be able to read or talk to anyone in their whole life. Also perhaps be born out of thin air.
Otherwise it's clearly an aided ascent.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:28am PT
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^^^
Lol
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Smokey
Trad climber
Colorado
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Jan 22, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
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Baseline definition: every pitch is led free in a push by either climber, whether red point, pink point or yo-yo (i.e. each pitch is free climbed on lead from belay to belay without resting on the rope). I include yo-yo as a legitimate though dated free climbing style, since so many of the 1970s/80's test pieces were done that way.
It's a "team free" ascent if one of the climbers does not free climb a pitch, but that pitch must have been led for the ascent to be called a FFA. Team free is a very minimum standard; most climbers wouldn't put their name in the "free" column if they hadn't freed the whole climb.
On the DW all pitches were led free, and both climbers free climbed every pitch. The ascent is given an FFA because every pitch was led free, and both climbers can be credited with the FFA, because both ... freed it.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 22, 2015 - 02:58pm PT
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What if Superman fought The Flash? I would think The Flash would be able to run to get to some kryptonite, but then isn't Superman just as fast??? Superman would TOTALLY kick his ass!
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jan 22, 2015 - 04:13pm PT
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So Ondra flashed or one hung all those pitches, many 5.14?! In a day??
I think he could do the Dawn wall quickly if he cared to.
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splitclimber
climber
Sonoma County
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Jan 22, 2015 - 04:21pm PT
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smokey got it right
yeah, the nitpickers love to come out of their cave to "debate" the FFA.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jan 22, 2015 - 04:24pm PT
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Exactly Jebus, exactly.
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john hansen
climber
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Jan 22, 2015 - 04:27pm PT
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I did have a question of why ,on the traverse of pitches 14 and 15, they broke it into 2 pitches of 50 and 90 feet, instead of one long pitch.
Is there a natural stance at the pitch 14 belay or is it too sustained to do in one go?
There are probably sling belays elsewhere on the route.
They did a lot of belaying from porta ledges.
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R.B.
Big Wall climber
47N 122W
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Jan 22, 2015 - 05:16pm PT
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Wow,I got tooled; I am so upset I think I am gonna cry in my beer about days long gone past. Drink the Grape-flavored Kool-Aid if you must. Hasta Superbaby!
EDIT: I Don't really care if they used a ladder to climb the thing I just don't want to have to read about it in one of those dang climbing magazines.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jan 22, 2015 - 05:20pm PT
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Sarcasm Jebus?! Well I never!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 22, 2015 - 07:03pm PT
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It's fun to break others achievements down with a microscope - not so much for our own. Trying to de-legitimize their ascent while you got pix jumaring 10B (something I've done as well)... Not a good move ;)
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jan 22, 2015 - 07:08pm PT
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All you punks got trolled by the anti troll, RB.
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LearningTrad
Trad climber
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Jan 22, 2015 - 07:41pm PT
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Superbaby!!!!11!!!
EDIT: See ya KOOK!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 22, 2015 - 07:49pm PT
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All you punks got trolled by the anti troll, RB.
You guys know I love you ;D
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R.B.
Big Wall climber
47N 122W
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Jan 22, 2015 - 07:53pm PT
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^^^ thanks Jefe ...
Some people don't understand my dry sarcastic humor and may not realize that I am OK with the criticism and all. For those who don't know me, I am a pretty straight shooter; I say it like I see it and I won't sugarcoat it either.
But I am who I am, and I didn't mean to "disrespect" the climbing effort.
The Boys pulled hard, I said that in my first post, but I also lamented on the purist side of climbing. Pulling hard on a big wall, no matter how you climb it is an accomplishment in itself.
I analyze things and break them down into basic elements ... it's the curse that I must bear.
Well, enough said ... Peace on fellow 'topians.
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clockclimb
Trad climber
Orem, Utah
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Jan 22, 2015 - 08:15pm PT
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^^^^^^Refreshing to see someone who can take some pretty sharp criticism without melting down. Take notice.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:34pm PT
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What KJ and TC both accomplished is a 19-day ascent, and they deserve credit in history and bragging rights for what they accomplished -- by piecing together (rope-bouldering) all the moves of an extremely difficult 2900-ft El Cap aid line, and free variations thereof. But it is not “Free Climbing” … it’s bouldering with a rope on a big-wall using aid. They used siege tactics, had assistance from others, previewed, rehearsed and preplaced protection and ultimately fell multiple times and weighted gear. The style they used is best described as a rehearsed, big-wall rope-bouldering ascent using aid (because they weighted their equipment/ropes – which by definition make it 6th class or “Aid.”) It’s really, as simple as that. – the ascent is not exactly the purist definition of a first free ascent (FFA) style -- such as the enviable “on-sight flash, no falls, no hangs.” And while this story is culturally significant, they are not the first in history to claim or accomplish this on El Cap.
Very eloquent . . . probably the purest description of the ascent style.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:41pm PT
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RB, we have more in common than you think. Respect your opinion, but don't totally agree. And that's ok. Unfortunately neither of us were up there climbing and the real reason many of us are on this forum is because we love climbing. I'm not here to be a dick to other guys. All the best to you and everyone else. No more about Dawn wall from me. Screw this topic.
PS: I would be the last one buying a magazine to read about it.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:42pm PT
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“on-sight flash, no falls, no hangs.”
TC and KJ worked most of the pitches on the route. No biggee since this was a very hard climb. But, having worked the pitches they don't get an "on-sight flash."
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:42pm PT
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That rig could go 5.9 A2 no problem.
Hell Grossman could do it with just micro wires all clean
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jan 22, 2015 - 10:18pm PT
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Hey my apologies Jebus,
I had something to do for a sec but Hadn't forgot about you here in fantasy land.
So for fantasy's sake let's say this all takes place 5 or so years from now.
Once he's done establishing the worlds first 15.d Ondra finally hears about the hardest record big wall free climb in the world which is still unreapeated.
He wonders how he could have missed this on 8a and checks it out only to see that the hardest pitch is more than a full number grade below his rising limit and a grade he onsights most days before lunch.
He thinks for a second about how nice it would be if America would hurry up and get around to installing some more challenging routes, it's 2020 after all, but he figures it will be a fun outing with his gf while taking a few rest days from riding roller coasters on his upcoming Disneyland vacation.
So he rolls into the valley with a 1000m rope, Mickey mouse club helmet, and 240 or so quickdraws and proceeds to slide on his sportiva futura slippers and onsight all the way to the crux traverse where he slips off the end.
The swinging pendulum fall combined with Ondras screaming and flailing limbs causes many tourists with binoculars to panic and report to the Rangers a potential mountain lion caught swinging by its tail in one of the fissures up on the mountain. Werner is sent to investigate.
He ends up jumping back on and one hanging it in a single pitch, thus proving the route stands the test of time.
Then something amazing happens! A somewhat disappointed Ondra goes back to the awanhee with sore toes and gets online, somehow he reaches the highest levels of world of war craft later the next evening in a single push, something that has never been done before! Major news outlets descend and the Valley becomes a circus like never before. Ondra is signed to a 500 million $ contract by Sony and gets his own starring role in a remake of blame it on the bellboy as the new Balky Bartholemus.
Thus finding his own dawn wall, Ondra is finally satisfied, feeling as though America gave him the opportunity to progress and the free wifi to do that which he was meant for, which is all that really matters in fantasyland as well as real life most of the time.
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Jan 23, 2015 - 07:54am PT
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What? No sex, drugs, or big ass explosions in your fantasy Ryan? Oh I see you went the World of Warcraft route, yeah guess those things wouldn't belong there.
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JohnnyG
climber
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Jan 23, 2015 - 07:59am PT
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Can we make a bumper sticker for the haters to buy and be done with it?
Something like "Dawn Wall is neither"?
hahaha that is awesome. Yes, it really should have been called the "Dusk Wall" considering when they climbed it.
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Johannsolo
climber
Soul Cal
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Jan 23, 2015 - 11:00am PT
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Is it really a single push with fixed lines to the ground and to the top?
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LearningTrad
Trad climber
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Jan 23, 2015 - 11:10am PT
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Hey...
You deflate them footballs?!?
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RP3
Big Wall climber
Twain Harte
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Jan 23, 2015 - 11:32am PT
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HAHAH! Weston for the win!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 23, 2015 - 11:46am PT
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Is it though? I rarely wipe myself, usually I have the second do that...
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jan 23, 2015 - 12:26pm PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
"This cosmic dance of bursting decadence and withheld permissions twists all our arms collectively, but if sweetness can win, and it can, then I'll still be here tomorrow to high-five you yesterday, my friend. Peace."
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jan 23, 2015 - 02:02pm PT
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Lol! Heavy sh#t jefe.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Jan 23, 2015 - 07:55pm PT
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I'm warming up to this whole Dawn Wall fiasco.
So like, how far in and out of an aid route such as WOEMEL could you wander, and then claim it, and sh#t on the grave of Harding by changing the name of his route - receive accolades, fame, bitches and money for what you done?
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gonamok
climber
dont make me come over there
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Jan 25, 2015 - 06:23pm PT
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i think you call it a redpoint?
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coolrockclimberguy69
climber
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Jan 25, 2015 - 06:29pm PT
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FACT: IF YOU DON'T CONSUME ALCOHOL ON WINO TOWER THEN THE WHOLE ASCENT IS INVALID
#5.14-A0 #NODAWNWALLFORYOU
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jan 25, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
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The NPS has released a proposed sign for installing at the soon to be designated "Dawn Wall Park."
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jan 21, 2017 - 03:43am PT
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Check Out The First Ever Fearless Free Climbers Who Conquered Yosemite’s Dawn Wall
Paid content add(and pic) for visit California(California Dream Big).
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 21, 2017 - 04:14am PT
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Always wear a helmet when free-soloing.
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