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Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 19, 2015 - 08:10pm PT
This is a day set aside to commemorate a man who gave his life to improve living conditions for the disadvantaged. We should all be grateful to this courageous citizen.
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Jan 19, 2015 - 08:25pm PT
An extremely intelligent man, well ahead of his time . . . his perceptions are still not realized, even to this day. Say what you will but his vision was of a still distant future in human evolution . . . extraordinary.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 19, 2015 - 10:01pm PT
What made it a certainty that Martin Luther King Jr. was going to die was the simple fact that he advocated for a society that welcomed all things gentle and decent.

For some reason, that kind of talk enrages the most odious segment of the U.S. population.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jan 19, 2015 - 10:54pm PT
An extremely intelligent man, well ahead of his time . . . his perceptions are still not realized, even to this day.
I was just watching some youtube clips of Dr. King on the ~Mike Douglas show...Powerful, and very much ahead of his time...The interview is in three parts..
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" It's shameful that he had to die to be respected"
1929-1968....
Today.. i am also honoring Rosa Parks ...RIP..Number 7053.

Edit:..Jim, I don't think he ever claimed to be a saint.... but..He did claim to be a non- violent leader.

Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jan 19, 2015 - 11:44pm PT
. . . always said that an open measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and moments of convenience, but where he stands in moments of challenge and moments of controversy, and I would take this position even if I didn't have the majority of people agreeing with me now."

Thanks Nita for the link. Who would have ever thought at the time of this interview that MLK Jr. would rise to become one of the most respected of all American leaders; certainly the greatest of the 20th century.
couchmaster

climber
Jan 20, 2015 - 06:10am PT

Nice that it's now all politically correct to jump on the "MLK was the best thing since sliced white bread to ever come along OMG" train. However, I find it interesting that almost NO ONE (singing the platitudes) GIVES A SH#T about the trial the King family won that proved in court that Kings murder was a conspiracy with our government the most likely party responsible for planning and then executing the man.

It's a horrifying tale with huge implication for each and every American citizen: and it shouldn't be swept under the f*#king rug by simply blessing the man as a saint and ignoring the fact that an innocent douchbag was set up and convicted on false evidence while Kings real killers was never found. And few seem to give 2 microgiveashits about it either. So f*#k off with the "MLK had a halo bullsh#t. Find his killer and get back to me, otherwise the "OMG MLK was the most amazing thing ever" platitudes sound like just so much meaningless hollow bullsh#t.

Read this book and then lets talk about the man: http://www.amazon.com/Act-State-Execution-Martin-Luther/dp/1844672859/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421762840&sr=8-1&keywords=an+act+of+state

Snippit below copied from the book description:
"On April 4 1968, Martin Luther King was in Memphis supporting a workers’ strike. By nightfall, army snipers were in position, military officers were on a nearby roof with cameras, and Lloyd Jowers had been paid to remove the gun after the fatal shot was fired. When the dust had settled, King had been hit and a clean-up operation was set in motion-James Earl Ray was framed, the crime scene was destroyed, and witnesses were killed. William Pepper, attorney and friend of King, has conducted a thirty-year investigation into his assassination. In 1999, Loyd Jowers and other co-conspirators were brought to trial in a civil action suit on behalf of the King family. Seventy witnesses set out the details of a conspiracy that involved J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, Richard Helms and the CIA, the military, Memphis police, and organized crime. The jury took an hour to find for the King family. In An Act of State, you finally have the truth before you-how the US government shut down a movement for social change by stopping its leader dead in his tracks."
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 20, 2015 - 09:03am PT
We climb in Josh most every MLK weekend. On the ride home we listen to KPFK as they replay his speeches and lectures. Powerful stuff.

This following bit from This American Life's Kid Logic episode is down right gut wrenching. I need a hankie when I listen to it.

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zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Jan 20, 2015 - 09:12am PT
It's impossilbe to ever get the truth of what happened, but MLK did cross LBJ (at least in LBJ's mind) on VietNam.

John M

climber
Jan 20, 2015 - 09:20am PT
your disgust is so noted couch master, but what exactly would you have us do before we are allowed to say nice things about MLK? Do we have to sweat blood or something? And why aren't you leading the way if this bothers you so much. I fully agree that something doesn't feel right about his death, but what is one supposed to do?
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2015 - 05:24pm PT
Couchmaster: Your comments are noted, and I'm with John M. You are far from the first to wonder how an inbred piece of white trash managed to pull off the assassination of such a great man and elude capture for so long.

Perhaps the answer to your tirade is reflected by the number of respondents to this post. Nowadays, few people care about the circumstances of his murder, and a dismayingly negligible percentage of citizens are interested in maintaining his legacy.

I have no idea how old you were in those days, but when news of his death came out, there were two responses from his supporters; namely incandescent rage... and heartbreak. As for the rest of "The Silent Majority" the reaction was mild surprise followed by complete indifference.

Oh, yeah - that's the first time anyone has called me politically correct. Those who know me would find this accusation to be hilarious.
LearningTrad

Trad climber
Jan 20, 2015 - 06:34pm PT
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Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Jan 29, 2015 - 02:27pm PT
political correctness? not sure that is applicable in this case.

Living in the "Deep South" I witnessed and will never forget the shock and dismay felt by black Americans after his assassination. There was just nothing but the look of hopelessness and despair. If there was local rioting, I have forgotten it; but what I won't forget is the total lack of concern or empathy for the people who he represented and gave his life for by the white folks, at least the majority, if not all that I had contact with.

The funeral procession; which involved moving Mr. King's coffin in an old mule drawn cotton wagon through the Sweet Auburn District in Atlanta had no soft overtones. It made a bold statement.


All these years later I still hear some people refer to MLK Day as James Earl Ray Day. Ignorance somehow has a strangle hold on some people for life.

The total truth of "who dunnit" will never be known. J.E. Ray could certainly have pulled it off, anyone with the will to do it could have because of the disinterest by local and federal authorities to provide adequate protection. No surprise there, at least I hope.

The same could be said for the assassination of Malcom X.

Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:32am PT
Happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day,
an American assassinated by a racist for exercising his first amendment rights;
Freedom of speech, the right to peaceably assemble, and the right to petition the government for grievances. I remember when it happened. Not one of our finest hours. Sadly, IMO, things have not changed enough to many peoples benefit since that time. Too much hatred still being bred.

Read about in my book;
'Finding IMO'
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 18, 2016 - 08:07am PT
it's not MLK day it's time to remember the Northridge earthquake day!
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jan 18, 2016 - 09:00am PT
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couchmaster

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 09:20am PT
Stewart said:
"You are far from the first to wonder how an inbred piece of white trash managed to pull off the assassination of such a great man and elude capture for so long."
You didn't read a word I said did you?


Bushman said:
"Happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day, an American assassinated by a racist"

Tim, again, the racist did not kill Martin Luther King. Were you aware that the trial brought forth sworn testimony from the Fire Captain (the firehouse had a view of the Lorraine Hotel where King was killed) that he let a US Army sniper team up on the firehouse roof? He checked their ID in fact before he let them in. One of the team members on the firehouse roof confessed that there were 2, 2 man US Army sniper teams in the area (they didn't take the shot). One was only taking photos.

It was proven at trial that the execution of King was a conspiracy involving many people (AND THE RACIST WAS NOT ONE OF THEM), some known some not, most likely elements of the US government did the deed. Re-read my post above. The .gov is trying to spin it otherwise, but the King family all agree that it wasn't a petty ass career criminal racist cracker that did the deed, he was only the fall guy who was falsely convicted of the crime. That's why the King family took it back to court after the conviction, because so many things didn't add up. They still don't.

The only eyewitness near the boardinghouse (vs those with King who didn't see much due to the distance) went to the Memphis police and told them what he saw and was abducted and tossed dead out a car later than evening. Doesn't add up.



Also see:
http://www.amazon.com/Orders-Kill-Behind-Murder-Martin/dp/1483047415

Or the other Pepper book, "An Act of State, the Execution of Martin Luther King".






And now, rude interruption of facts over, back to singing Kumbayah.






Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 01:20pm PT
Martin Luther King was a great man. I never get over how young he was.
I am not religious, but MLK delivered the true message of Christianity.

Civil Rights legislation was the most important act of the 60's and certainly the Baby Boomer's greatest legacy.
feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
Jan 18, 2016 - 01:42pm PT
Couchmaster,
Most minorities will simply nod at the truth of your words, while most of those who are complacent about our corrupt government will brush it off, for how could "their" benign government be involved in such an action, after all? To ignore evil does not banish it from existence, but perhaps such ignorance allows those who wish to exist there, floating comfortably on their clouds of illusion.

Thank you for speaking up. Hoover hated King passionately, and Hoover was a totally twisted person. Much of what you say applies to Sitting Bull and to other leaders as well. I am sorry we lost a man who shared a beautiful vision for our country when he could have brought us so much more of vision and leadership. He was a true leader, rising from the people because of his goodness. He was human: not a saint, not perfect, but a good man. May he rest in Peace.

feralfae
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2016 - 01:52pm PT
pyro: you really are a disgusting little rat.

The loss of lives during the quake was indeed a tragedy. However the horror, despair and rage that was associated with the murder of this great U.S. statesman touched the hearts of every human being on planet Earth who possessed a sense of decency.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 02:57pm PT
Today I listened to "Fresh Air" with Terry interviewing a woman whose Great Great Great Grandfather wrote the first narrative by a slave, and self-published it in 1825.

It was a heart-wrenching, joyful, and touching interview. Very interesting and poignant. Worth taking some time for:

http://www.npr.org/2016/01/18/463164866/when-ancestry-search-led-to-escaped-slave-all-i-could-do-was-weep
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 18, 2016 - 04:47pm PT
interesting...all the love and respect for the man, but nobody respects him enough to refer to him as he preferred: REVEREND Dr. Martin Luther King

notice how so many tributes never even mention his faith, his position on abortion, his feud with malcolm x (who called him "uncle tom"), and his political leaning

consider:

"Moral principles have lost their distinctiveness. For modern man, absolute right and wrong are a matter of what the majority is doing. Right and wrong are relative to likes and dislikes and the customs of a particular community. We have unconsciously applied Einstein’s theory of relativity, which properly described the physical universe, to the moral and ethical realm. . . . This mentality has brought a tragic breakdown of moral standards, and the midnight of moral degeneration deepens."

or...

"We will win our freedom because the sacred heritage of our nation and the eternal will of God are embodied in our echoing demands."

or...

"How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law."

or...

"We need all of you. And you know what’s beautiful to me is to see all of these ministers of the Gospel. It’s a marvelous picture. Who is it that is supposed to articulate the longings and aspirations of the people more than the preacher? Somehow the preacher must have a kind of fire shut up in his bones. And whenever injustice is around, he must tell it. Somehow the preacher must be an Amos, who said, “When God speaks, who can but prophesy?” Again with Amos, “Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.” Somehow the preacher must say with Jesus, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me,” and he’s anointed me to deal with the problems of the poor."


Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2016 - 04:56pm PT
...and bookworm, we all know how deeply you respect MLK and his political ideals, don't we?

It's refreshing to note that you also took the trouble to note that he was murdered while intending to lead The Poor People's March.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 18, 2016 - 04:59pm PT
Good going, Stewart.

Let's go out of our way to be divisive on the day we've set aside to celebrate the life of a man whose goal was to bring the country together.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2016 - 05:09pm PT
chaz: now tell us how much his ideals have influenced your world view.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jan 16, 2017 - 09:33am PT
Just watched the I Have A Dream speech with my kids, so they understand why they don't have school today. We talked about the social context of that period, and the courage of people to stand up against a set of powers so seemingly insurmountable, the strength of character and the discipline to keep going when initial efforts make such a small dent, the elevation of spirit and compassion required to peacefully resist violent oppressors, to rise above the suffering of the body and realize the disconnect between the minds and spirits of their oppressors, the patience to endure their abuses while being an example of the right way of being. It is humbling to think how much people have endured over time and overcome, and it makes me feel petty to struggle with such minuscule issues in my life. I have no excuse to not greet every day with deep joy and embrace the people in my life, the opportunities that are there for the taking, the happiness that is so easy for me to pursue with no barriers.

I hope that the divisiveness that characterizes our nation today, the challenging economic changes that will continue displacing many workers and flaming the fears of many, I hope these do not set back the painstakingly slow progress toward equality among the citizens of our nation. It is a great test of national character we face, and it is good for us all, regardless of political ideology, to be mindful of this at least on a day where we as a nation recognize the greatness of the vision championed by Martin Luther King.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jan 16, 2017 - 10:33am PT
There is some speculation that Dr. Kings demise was his vehement opposition to the war in Vietnam.

I am glad society gives him the credit he deserves.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jan 16, 2017 - 07:04pm PT

Free at last, (if only we were free at last). . .

Rest in Peace, Dr. King.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 16, 2017 - 07:27pm PT
A doc who works with the wife is the grandson of an Alabama sharecropper. He told my
friend that BITD there was only one white owned store in town that would sell to his people.
Two generations later my friend is working in Los Angeles and somehow discovers that one
of the nurse midwives he has been working with is the granddaughter of the man who sold
food to his grandfather! Of course, she is Jewish and her grandfather was a mensch. Had a
good time with them both yesterday.
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Jan 16, 2017 - 07:43pm PT
"We may have come on different ships...but we are all in the same boat now"

Words to live by
John M

climber
Jan 16, 2017 - 11:07pm PT
This deserves to be posted here. An inspired man. A great evil was done the day he was killed.



Letter From Birmingham Jail

King's famous letter, published in The Atlantic as "The Negro Is Your Brother" several months after its original writing, was written in response to a public statement of concern and caution issued by eight white religious leaders of the South. It stands as one of the classic documents of the civil-rights movement.

While confined here in the Birmingham city jail, I came across your recent statement calling our present activities "unwise and untimely." Seldom, if ever, do I pause to answer criticism of my work and ideas. If I sought to answer all of the criticisms that cross my desk, my secretaries would be engaged in little else in the course of the day, and I would have no time for constructive work. But since I feel that you are men of genuine good will and your criticisms are sincerely set forth, I would like to answer your statement in what I hope will be patient and reasonable terms.

I think I should give the reason for my being in Birmingham, since you have been influenced by the argument of "outsiders coming in"

I am in Birmingham because injustice is here ...I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states. I cannot sit idly by in Atlanta and not be concerned about what happens in Birmingham. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider ...


We have waited for more than three hundred and forty years for our God-given and constitutional rights. The nations of Asia and Africa are moving with jetlike speed toward the goal of political independence, and we still creep at horse-and-buggy pace toward the gaining of a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. I guess it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say "wait." But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate-filled policemen curse, kick, brutalize, and even kill your black brothers and sisters with impunity; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six-year-old daughter why she cannot go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her little eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see the depressing clouds of inferiority begin to form in her little mental sky, and see her begin to distort her little personality by unconsciously developing a bitterness toward white people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five-year-old son asking in agonizing pathos, "Daddy, why do white people treat colored people so mean?"; when you take a cross-country drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "white" and "colored"; when your first name becomes "nigger" and your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and when your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next, and plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodyness"--then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over and men are no longer willing to be plunged into an abyss of injustice where they experience the bleakness of corroding despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience ...

You express a great deal of anxiety over our willingness to break laws. This is certainly a legitimate concern. Since we so diligently urge people to obey the Supreme Court's decision of 1954 outlawing segregation in the public schools, it is rather strange and paradoxical to find us consciously breaking laws. One may well ask, "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer is found in the fact that there are two types of laws: there are just laws, and there are unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "An unjust law is no law at all."


Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine when a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law, or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas, an unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. All segregation statutes are unjust because segregation distorts the soul and damages the personality ...

There are some instances when a law is just on its face and unjust in its application. For instance, I was arrested Friday on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong with an ordinance which requires a permit for a parade, but when the ordinance is used to preserve segregation and to deny citizens the First Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and peaceful protest, then it becomes unjust.

Of course, there is nothing new about this kind of civil disobedience. It was seen sublimely in the refusal of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego to obey the laws of Nebuchadnezzar because a higher moral law was involved. It was practiced superbly by the early Christians, who were willing to face hungry lions and the excruciating pain of chopping blocks before submitting to certain unjust laws of the Roman Empire. To a degree, academic freedom is a reality today because Socrates practiced civil disobedience.


We can never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler's Germany. But I am sure that if I had lived in Germany during that time, I would have aided and comforted my Jewish brothers even though it was illegal. If I lived in a Communist country today where certain principles dear to the Christian faith are suppressed, I believe I would openly advocate disobeying these anti-religious laws ...

I have no fear about the outcome of our struggle in Birmingham, even if our motives are presently misunderstood. We will reach the goal of freedom in Birmingham and all over the nation, because the goal of America is freedom. Abused and scorned though we may be, our destiny is tied up with the destiny of America. Before the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth, we were here. Before the pen of Jefferson scratched across the pages of history the majestic word of the Declaration of Independence, we were here ...If the inexpressible cruelties of slavery could not stop us, the opposition we now face will surely fail. We will win our freedom because the sacred heritage of our nation and the eternal will of God are embodied in our echoing demands ...

Never before have I written a letter this long--or should I say a book? I'm afraid that it is much too long to take your precious time. I can assure you that it would have been much shorter if I had been writing from a comfortable desk, but what else is there to do when you are alone for days in the dull monotony of a narrow jail cell other than write long letters, think strange thoughts, and pray long prayers?

If I have said anything in this letter that is an overstatement of the truth and is indicative of an unreasonable impatience, I beg you to forgive me. If I have said anything in this letter that is an understatement of the truth and is indicative of my having a patience that makes me patient with anything less than brotherhood, I beg God to forgive me.

Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood,
MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 16, 2017 - 11:27pm PT
Whatever happened to Washington and Lincoln B-day holidays?

Now we just get a single day off with the generic name presidents day.

WTF?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jan 17, 2017 - 07:00am PT
it's not MLK day it's time to remember the Northridge earthquake day!

Wrong again, Ryan. The Northridge earthquake occurred at 4:30am on January 17, 1994.
Btw, you are a f*#king moron.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 17, 2017 - 12:31pm PT
Whatever happened to Washington and Lincoln B-day holidays?

The Republicans eliminated them in a bill sponsored by Sen. Robert McClory.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Jan 17, 2017 - 06:49pm PT

The Republicans eliminated them
... so they could go home and beat their wives more.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jan 15, 2018 - 06:08pm PT
Well, I don't know what will happen now. We've got some difficult days ahead. But it doesn't matter with me now. Because I've been to the mountaintop. And I don't mind. Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the promised land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the promised land. And I'm happy, tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.

We need more leaders like Reverend King.
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