Muslim Leaders denounce Paris massacre

How about fear the guys killing innocents and figure out... their driving ideology?

Better.

This is a really simplistic response.

Reply from some one who's "all in" re: Christian mythology as his own driving ideology. Simplistic? Appreciate the irony!

How old's the earth? Can't remember, Did Jesus ascend to heaven in a chariot of fire on a whirlwind or was it just Elijah? Where is my immaterial soul in my body located? Remind me, is it in my pineal? lol

Reply from some one who's "all in" re: Christian mythology as his own driving ideology. Simplistic? Appreciate the irony!

Haters going hate.

"This is what we call smart power," Clinton said to a small audience at Georgetown. "Using every possible tool and partner to advance peace and security. Leaving no one on the sidelines. Showing respect even for one's enemies. Trying to understand, in so far as psychologically possible, empathize with their perspective and point of view. Helping to define the problems, determine the solutions. That is what we believe in the 21st century will change -- change the prospects for peace."

Showing respect ...even for our enemies.
This is the sort of deranged,incompetent thinking in play within the French government and they share the same general unfortunate mentality and failed approach as Clinton and Obama.

That is F-d up Ward. Throughout thousands of years of history warriors have respected their enemies for their conviction, courage, strength and willingness to die for their cause.

You've never heard of this?

Three suspects arrested.

Jan 7, 2015 - 02:00pm PT
Hillary Clinton should shut her lying big hypocritical fat mouth.

She's criminal and you stoopid Americans want her as your POTUS.

She's been outed along with the other bitch Victoria Nuland as throwing the coup d’état in Ukraine killing many innocent people along with destroying that countries established govt.

You Americans and your fuked up stooopid media

Killing in response to insult, no matter how gross, must be unequivocally condemned. That is why what happened in Paris cannot be tolerated.

You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move…
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi on Jan 1 2015.

Islam today includes a substantial minority of believers who countenance, if they don’t actually carry out, a degree of violence in the application of their convictions that is currently unique.

//First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.//

9/11 changed me. I don't hire Muslims. Might be the nicest person and best fit for the position, but they probably pray at a mosque where they donate money. That mosque probably funds some charities in the middle east. Some of those charities are probably fronts for terrorist groups that want to kill me and my family. That's life in my new reality.

Someday, I hope you lose friends or god forbid family to an attack such as 9/11.

Then, you and others here that feel the same as you do might just understand Gunkie's post.






Nah... you're to self-centered and brainwashed.

9/11 changed me. I don't hire Muslims. Might be the nicest person and best fit for the position, but they probably pray at a mosque where they donate money. That mosque probably funds some charities in the middle east. Some of those charities are probably fronts for terrorist groups that want to kill me and my family. That's life in my new reality.

You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move…
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi on Jan 1 2015.

"the number of christians murdered in 2014 for practicing their faith doubled from 2013 and nearly tripled from 2012, but that wasn't worth a new thread

kill a dozen liberal journalists, however, and release a deluge of outrage"

Because tribe is more important?

Never been to the middle east or SE Asia. As a historian, I understand

Oh, I can't do that. But, I highly suggest you take a month or so, get your passport up to par, buy yourself a ticket to Istanbul, get a taxi and then head Southwest for maybe 700 miles. Open the door, then go for a walk.

That just might be good for starters....

haha ok Werner.

I am a young climber w/o your c*#k in his mouth. Why would you think your incoherent ramblings mean anything to me? You dont get Camp 4 points in this discussion friend.

It is easy to state platitudes like "war is not the answer" and "love is the answer", which on the whole I believe in. But people adapt to their environment, and in turn shape their environment. So lasting change requires some disruption- how do you make an environment amenable to developing people with a peaceful accommodating tolerant mindset? Everyone's basic needs need to be met, and fear can't be a part of daily existence.

Ah! It's our fault now. And the attack on 9/11 was an inside job (you got one of them stickers on the tailgate of your Prius?) all so we American capitalistic pigs could go over and murder em all.

Noun[edit]
sarcasm (countable and uncountable, plural sarcasms)

(uncountable) A sharp form of humor, intended to hurt, that is marked by mocking with irony, sometimes conveyed in speech with vocal over-emphasis. Insincerely saying something which is the opposite of one's intended meaning, often to emphasize how unbelievable or unlikely it sounds if taken literally, thereby illustrating the obvious nature of one's intended meaning.  [quotations ▼]
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

HANDS UP

DON'T SHOOT!

If you're not permitted to mock a religion, You have in fact been effectively coerced into offering a quasi-religious genuflection and deference to that religion.

The murders today in Paris are not a result of France’s failure to assimilate two generations of Muslim immigrants from its former colonies. They’re not about French military action against the Islamic State in the Middle East, or the American invasion of Iraq before that. They’re not part of some general wave of nihilistic violence in the economically depressed, socially atomized, morally hollow West—the Paris version of Newtown or Oslo. Least of all should they be “understood” as reactions to disrespect for religion on the part of irresponsible cartoonists.

They are only the latest blows delivered by an ideology that has sought to achieve power through terror for decades. (correction: Centuries) It’s the same ideology that sent Salman Rushdie into hiding for a decade under a death sentence for writing a novel, then killed his Japanese translator and tried to kill his Italian translator and Norwegian publisher. The ideology that murdered three thousand people in the U.S. on September 11, 2001. The one that butchered Theo van Gogh in the streets of Amsterdam, in 2004, for making a film. The one that has brought mass rape and slaughter to the cities and deserts of Syria and Iraq. That massacred a hundred and thirty-two children and thirteen adults in a school in Peshawar last month. That regularly kills so many Nigerians, especially young ones, that hardly anyone pays attention.

Because the ideology is the product of a major world religion, a lot of painstaking pretzel logic goes into trying to explain what the violence does, or doesn’t, have to do with Islam. Some well-meaning people tiptoe around the Islamic connection, claiming that the carnage has nothing to do with faith, or that Islam is a religion of peace, or that, at most, the violence represents a “distortion” of a great religion. (After suicide bombings in Baghdad, I grew used to hearing Iraqis say, “No Muslim would do this.”) Others want to lay the blame entirely on the theological content of Islam, as if other religions are more inherently peaceful—a notion belied by history as well as scripture.

A religion is not just a set of texts but the living beliefs and practices of its adherents. Islam today includes a substantial minority of believers who countenance, if they don’t actually carry out, a degree of violence in the application of their convictions that is currently unique. Charlie Hebdo had been nondenominational in its satire, sticking its finger into the sensitivities of Jews and Christians, too—but only Muslims responded with threats and acts of terrorism. For some believers, the violence serves a will to absolute power in the name of God, which is a form of totalitarianism called Islamism—politics as religion, religion as politics. “Allahu Akbar!” the killers shouted in the street outside Charlie Hebdo. They, at any rate, know what they’re about.

If I had a French car, I'd probably torch it also.

Even if the official story (which reeks of propaganda) were true, that does not justify the genocide we have directly commited in Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya/Syria over the past 12+ years.

12 people die in one day and .. lets spend 100's of billions on defense...and war!

Some groups of Muslims in France are assimilating well. A large percentage are not. Unemployment is extreme in this group. Unfortunately, this environment is fertile grounds for jihadist recruiters.

pinckbrown: I did not compose it

Seattle cartoonist still in hiding following 2010 Islamist death threat


Cartoonists around the world reacted defiantly to Wednesday's deadly Islamist terror attack at the offices of a Paris magazine, but the case of Molly Norris shows how the attack and prior threats of similar violence have already had a chilling effect on journalists who use art to convey their stories.

Norris, a Seattle-based political cartoonist, has been in hiding for more than four years after she launched "Draw Muhammad Day," a call to professional and amateur artists alike to sketch the Islamic prophet whose image is forbidden by the Koran.

Norris was an obscure cartoonist and blogger who took action after the creators of the show South Park were targeted by Muslim extremists for an upcoming episode in which Muhammad was to be depicted. The hit show's producers caved to the pressure of death threats and blurred the image of Muhammad when the show aired.

“We are no longer a free country if we journalists can’t criticize a religion that, for example, believes apostates need to be killed.”

Norris' own cartoon image of Muhammad was never published in the Seattle Weekly, which often carried her work, but it went viral on the Internet. U.S. born Muslim cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki issued a fatwa, calling for the killing of Norris.

“We are no longer a free country if we journalists can’t criticize a religion that, for example, believes apostates need to be killed,” said Norris' onetime colleague, Larry Kelley.

Even though Norris backed off the idea for a “Draw Muhammad Day,” the bounty remained. She took her concerns to the FBI, and agents in the Seattle field office told her the threats on her life were legitimate. She was encouraged to go underground.

Seattle Weekly reported that Norris moved, changed her name and is living in hiding akin to the witness protection program. Editors have not heard from Norris and they have received no more cartoons from her.

One Seattle Muslim leader who tried unsuccessfully to have Norris participate in an open forum is angry that her freedom of speech was trampled on.

“I’m very upset that there would be people who would cause her to go into hiding,” says Jeff Siddiqui of American Muslims of Puget Sound. “I am somewhat upset that she got so fearful that she can’t respond to Muslims that are reaching out to her.”

Larry Kelley has tried to raise money for Norris. He created the Molly Norris Foundation. Fundraising has been slow, mainly because her story has not received much attention.

“It was like a one-day story, then it was gone,” says Kelley. “She went underground and that was it, gone. And most people don’t even know who Molly Norris is.”

Norris did, however, outlive the man who put a price on her head. Al-Awlaki was killed in 2011 in Yemen by a U.S. drone strike.

thanks for sharing

That so called "symptom" of yours, is well versed at what it does and has been very active around this body called earth tenfold centuries longer than any of your supposed vile neocons have.

It is precisely that type naive mindset that prevailed prior to 2/26 and 9/11. And many many more incidents world wide prior to those stemming back some 1500-2000 years.

There are multiple incidents. Not even sure how many.

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