War in the homelad part 2- Cleveland

Suicide by cop?

A 12 yr old with a fake gun sounds fairly tame at first glance, until you realize that there are far younger kids now shooting up schools or other people. Once upon a time this wasn't so.

He love toy guns, it is in little boys DNA I think.

Sorry Jon,, but OBAMA IS the gun salesman of the millennium. I know,, its my job

. Our govt has slowly been turning tyrannical.

Nope, it IS true. Our govt has slowly been turning tyrannical.

CLEVELAND, Ohio – Cleveland police waited four minutes to deliver first aid to Tamir Rice after a rookie officer shot the 12-year-old boy Saturday outside a recreation center, police said.

Patrolman Timothy Loehmann shot Rice twice at point-blank range immediately after the officer sprung from the passenger seat of a moving police cruiser that skid to a stop just feet from the boy, surveillance video shows.

Rice lay on the snow-covered grass beside the cruiser's passenger side for four minutes as Loehmann, 26, took cover behind the trunk and Patrolman Frank Garmback, the driver, positioned himself opposite his partner near Rice's body.

Rice wasn't given first aid until a medically trained FBI agent on duty in the area arrived at the scene -- Cudell Recreation Center on the city's West Side.

One of the police officers then helped the agent administer first aid, Deputy Police Chief Edward Tomba said at a Wednesday press briefing. An emergency medical crew arrived three minutes later, Tomba said.

Rice was struck in the abdomen. He died while being treated at MetroHealth Medical Center.

Police were sent to the recreation center after a man called 9-1-1 to report a "guy with a pistol" who was "pointing it at everybody."

Surveillance videos shows Rice waving a gun, which turned out to be an airsoft-type gun with the orange safety tip removed, and pointing it off camera. He also took a moment to play with the snow and lob a snowball onto the sidewalk.

The man who called 9-1-1 told a dispatcher the gun may not be real and the person who carried it was "probably a juvenile."

That information was not given to the officers.

Why do you republicans deify these men???

Is there any male out there who did not play 'war' or 'cops and robbers' or 'soldiers' or whatever as a little kid???

The environment and attitudes of 1960 are vastly different than today, and to compare 1960 to 2014 is ignorant.

I am scared for my life. Wave a gun around in public? I say that, in 2014, the police should shoot first and ask questions later.

Nope, it IS true. Our govt has slowly been turning tyrannical. And when the American public senses some freedom will disappear, they WILL go in droves to see that they obtain said freedom.

shouldn't Uncle Sam step in and start regulating who can have a child???

“A California county will pay nearly $1 million to settle a lawsuit brought by the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club after police shot and killed three guard dogs during raids of the group’s headquarters and suspected members’ homes.” Santa Clara County supervisors okayed the $990,000 settlement

the San Jose police officers failed to do anything to find a non-lethal way of incapacitating the animals, the courts said

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Former New York police detective Frank Serpico – famously portrayed by Al Pacino in the 1973 movie "Serpico" – believes the use of excessive force by police officers is a growing problem.

For those who don't know, Serpico, who retired in 1972, tried to blow the whistle on corrupt NYPD cops but was shunned by his fellow officers. At the age of 78, cops and police unions continue to vilify him and he continues to speak out.

His latest observation? Serpico sees the use of excessive force as the new corruption.

"But an even more serious problem — police violence — has probably grown worse, and it's out of control for the same reason that graft once was: a lack of accountability," Serpico writes in an October essay published by Politico Magazine that has received wide attention.

In his essay, Serpico never mentions Cleveland. But he could easily be talking about our city, which is facing scrutiny from the U.S. Justice Department, the media and the public because of the police department's controversial history of using – and excusing - force on suspects.

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"Today the combination of an excess of deadly force and near-total lack of accountability is more dangerous than ever: Most cops today can pull out their weapons and fire without fear that anything will happen to them, even if they shoot someone wrongfully. All a police officer has to say is that he believes his life was in danger, and he's typically absolved. What do you think that does to their psychology as they patrol the streets—this sense of invulnerability?"

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This is the line I found most chilling: "In the NYPD, it used to be you'd fire two shots and then you would assess the situation. You didn't go off like a madman and empty your magazine and reload."

Fking NRA... it is all their fault that all them damn bastards below [Founding Fathers] were allowed all them guns.

You forgot about the part of the 911 caller saying the gun was probably a toy and the person a juvenile.

But ultimately the root cause lies with the 12 year old making the choice to point a firearm (fake or otherwise) at people and/or things in a public place.

The police were told that someone was pointing a gun at people.
The kid went for his gun when then police arrived.
BOOM!
End of story.

It is obvious that most of you have never been in a situation where lethal force was called for. Obvious youve not stared down a barrel of a gun pointed at you nor wore a uniform that literally made you a target..

His parents should be neutered.

THE ONLY mistake made was by the youngster who was pointing a weapon at people he didn't even know. He was begging for the result he got.

The man who called 9-1-1 told a dispatcher the gun may not be real and the person who carried it was "probably a juvenile."

That information was not given to the officers.

THE ONLY mistake made was by the youngster who was pointing a weapon at people he didn't even know. He was begging for the result he got.

You've got one to two seconds to react when a gun is pointed at you. One or two lousy seconds, then you had better make your play.


His parents should be neutered

THE ONLY mistake made was by the youngster who was pointing a weapon at people he didn't even know. He was begging for the result he got.
He also made the mistake of being born black, which made him over 21 times more likely to die at the hands of police.

That information was not forwarded to the police.

The police were told that someone was pointing a gun at people.
The kid went for his gun when then police arrived.
BOOM!
End of story.

Gumby, those air guns look like exact replicas of the real thing. the cops might have been too quick on the trigger but not by much. After all the school shootings juviniles don't get a free pass to wave guns arround. A huge part of the burden of this incident lies on the adults who let the kid have an air gun without teaching him not to aim it at people.

I could almost agree in that situation. my point is they put themselves in that situation. Driving up the way they did, through the grass with posts on their left preventing their exit and guns ready to blaze led to the killing. they could have simply driven up on the actual road in a normal manner and handled the situation calmly.

If its a real gun rolling in hot and takeing them down fast is possibly the best tacticle move.