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Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 20, 2014 - 10:57am PT
Yep, hurts like Hell, was with this guy for over 6 yrs and he just walked away. Even taught him to climb, we did so much together, skied, hiked, backpacked and I took him to places he'd never been in the Sierra.

His excuse for breaking up; never wants to get married nor even live together. Told me he was broken from the ex-wife (this was obvious due to his not getting ride of all her sh*t in his house~weird).

Must think positive, however, not easy when you've loved someone.

Words of wisdom would be very much appreciated from you guys:)

Karen
Chippychopperone

Social climber
SLC, UT
Nov 20, 2014 - 11:00am PT
You are now free to plan a solo trip anywhere you want, anytime you want, and do anything you want. This is a plus to being single.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 20, 2014 - 11:01am PT
Generally, I try to look at these kinds of experiences in life(painful) as opportunities for growth. After I get over the blame part.
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Nov 20, 2014 - 11:05am PT
I'm with Dingus, he was bad news. Better to deal with it now than waste any more of your time. I hear Locker is available!
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 20, 2014 - 11:05am PT

His loss.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Nov 20, 2014 - 11:06am PT
Yeah, like Wayno says, such occurrences, after you turn them around, often turn out to be opportunities for growth, renewal and new power.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 20, 2014 - 11:08am PT
Hang in there Karen!!!
Edge

Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
Nov 20, 2014 - 11:11am PT
You deserve someone who loves you in return unequivocally.

Honor your feelings now, but also use this time to picture a better relationship and a brighter future; you can dream your own new reality into being.

(And some lucky guy out there has no idea what opportunity just opened up for him.)
Captain...or Skully

climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
Nov 20, 2014 - 11:17am PT
Edge is wise.
Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2014 - 11:27am PT
One thing for sure I'll be able to climb more! Jeff, thanks, what a sweet comment:)
ground_up

Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
Nov 20, 2014 - 11:32am PT
Every time I got dumped , and one was a marriage the next
relationship was so much better that getting "dumped" turned
out to be a blessing.

If someone can just walk away it wasn't meant to be , that
wasn't the right person . Now you can meet the one who is.
Get out there and be good to yourself , that is attractive.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Nov 20, 2014 - 11:34am PT
All the old tired cliches are true.

Time heals all wounds. In the meantime take a hot bath and eat some chocolate.

There's plenty more fish in the sea. The key to fishing is patience.

Enjoy your freedom and time while you have it and let the universe bring the right person to you when the time is right.
Seamstress

Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
Nov 20, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
Sorry that you start the winter feeling blue. There is still so much of life ahead of you, and you will find good times ahead. Be your own best friend today. Make some plans or set some goals to give you some positive movement in life every day. While you can honor your feelings, limit that to a finite period so you don't wallow.

There are many people you will love. Many people will love you. Creating a permanent loving relationship with shared goals with someone you can live with - that is more rare.

You have been loved and will be loved.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Nov 20, 2014 - 12:05pm PT
That sucks.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 20, 2014 - 12:10pm PT
Sorry, Karen, but rest assured it will be OK.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 20, 2014 - 12:12pm PT
Karen, I only know you from your ST posts, but those tell of a wonderful person. And if Jeff says you're exceptional, that's enough (for me) to confirm that the person I discern from your posts is, indeed, special.

I've never been the dumpee (or, for that matter, the dumpor) and not had the break hurt. I think I was an expert from personal experience on all the stages of grief (all the way to acceptance) well before I ever knew they were identified and catalogued. Knowing that, you have my profound sympathy. If it takes grieving to reach acceptance, nothing wrong with a few tears. The sooner you let it out, the sooner you advance.

And advance you will. From your post, I, too, think you had less than that to which you are entitled. It took me a long while to realize that for myself (I didn't marry until I was in my 30's, but we celebrated our 31st anniversary yesterday). Knowing the ending, I'm grateful, even for the pain of separation, because it ultimately led me to the love of my life.

One thing I know for sure: You have may friends and admirers here.

John
kev

climber
A pile of dirt.
Nov 20, 2014 - 12:55pm PT
Guess you're gonna plan a kick ass climbing road trip with only YOUR itinerary to worry about over the holidays! Not a bad problem to have...
thebravecowboy

climber
walking, resin-stained, towards the goal
Nov 20, 2014 - 12:55pm PT
So you're telling me that you just bought a lotto ticket....Congrats on reentering the game & happy hunting. Time will heal.
j-tree

Big Wall climber
Typewriters and Ledges
Nov 20, 2014 - 01:17pm PT
Had my gf that I es head-over-heels in love with and planning to marry walk out on me out of the blue (and not the "we never talk I ignored her" out of the blue but the "we talk about everything and share our dreams and fears and support each other" out of the blue). She just packed her sh#t and drove away, no discussion or explanation.

Turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me. Mucci asked me to climb a wall with him to get my mind off things and I made one if the best friends I've ever had, and then had the best coule of years of wall climbing and personal growth I've had. Add to that the fact that not a single one of my friends expressed sadness that she was no longer part of my life and I realize I dodged a bullet.

Freedom is painful loneliness at first but oft gives a good foundation for growth and adventure.
couchmaster

climber
Nov 20, 2014 - 01:23pm PT


Sorry to hear such things. Wishing you well Karen, I know it may not seem so, but this might be better for your long term happiness. Best to you, and may happiness and good health soon follow you the rest of your days.

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 20, 2014 - 02:45pm PT
Well, he may have been great in many ways, and it sounds like you guys built some history, but I'd say he definitely never managed to part with all his baggage from the previous marriage. Being with him is one thing, being with his previous marriage is another. Hurts I'm sure, but it sounds like you'll be better off in the long run.

The only thing that really stands out is the six years. If someone can't or won't close the deal in a year or two (i.e. commit and live together [marriage is irrelevant]), then they probably aren't in a place where you want to keep on keeping on.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 20, 2014 - 02:53pm PT
Karen - I don't know you so my advise/words should all be disregarded.


Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 20, 2014 - 10:57am PT
Yep, hurts like Hell

 I'm sorry to hear about your getting dumped. At the same time I'm happy for you... Please, let me explain.

was with this guy for over 6 yrs and he just walked away.

 There must have been more to it than he one day just decided to walk away. There may have been indicators of his intent if you think back (but don't waste your time on that). We all do it to one extent or another. Some of the best are the criminals and the psychopaths and the lawyers.

Even taught him to climb, we did so much together, skied, hiked, backpacked and I took him to places he'd never been in the Sierra.

 Just knowing that you have enriched someones life just a little bit is the big picture thing I tend to hold up and less about the individual achievements.

His excuse for breaking up; never wants to get married nor even live together. Told me he was broken from the ex-wife (this was obvious due to his not getting ride of all her sh*t in his house~weird).

 Hate to say it but this guy sounds as messed up as me... maybe less... but yes, that seems weird to me too.

Must think positive, however, not easy when you've loved someone.

 Oh, Karen. If only you knew the person I read when I read what you wrote. Ultimately she is better for having lost the limb and would have led to a much larger amputation if not excised.

Words of wisdom would be very much appreciated from you guys:)

Karen

 I don't think I have words of wisdom available. I just know enough to know that there were two people in that relationship and this is no reason to ever question your ability to commit. Best taken in stride. I wish I was a better motivational speaker because I know that you are better now. As much as I'd like to say all that stuff that everyone would want to be the one to say in the hopes of helping you, I can't think of anything better than all that.

How about this?
Would it be better if he came back today and said just kidding?
But you've already spent time outside that bubble of comfort.

cheers
Barbarian

climber
Nov 20, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
You deserve someone who loves you in return unequivocally.

Honor your feelings now, but also use this time to picture a better relationship and a brighter future; you can dream your own new reality into being.

(And some lucky guy out there has no idea what opportunity just opened up for him.)

Edge for the win!
That is truly sound advice. Karen, keep on looking for the lucky guy...you'll know him when you meet him (and his house won't be full of his ex's junk).

Peace!
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Nov 20, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
Try a little Mary Wells to sooth your soul:


This is a great 60's breakup song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCUXSdg6PCc
pc

climber
Nov 20, 2014 - 03:27pm PT
My go to advice is...

Sweat. Run Foresta run....

Add with all the above advice , then, shake don't stir.

Cheers,
pc

SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
Nov 20, 2014 - 03:31pm PT
Sorry to hear about your breakup. No wise words...just another shoulder!

Susan
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Nov 20, 2014 - 03:39pm PT
Time for teleskigirl to move back to Mammoth??? ;-)
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 20, 2014 - 05:04pm PT
Karen-

Been there. I have no words of consolation other than to say life goes on. It is not easy when you have given your all.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 20, 2014 - 05:14pm PT
with no pontificating, there's more to life than a relationship

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM LIFE?

johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 20, 2014 - 05:23pm PT
Just got back from Texas and picked up some chewie pralines. PM me if it woold help. Hell. PM me anyways. I have pralines with your addy on them; just need the addy.

edit: I'm a dork; take the pralines!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 20, 2014 - 05:27pm PT
For this situation I recommend the Oban.


Tami, I have a super good friend who lives in Oban!! Maybe Karen should fly to Scotland and meet him, and be closer to the source.

Either that or take a winter climbing trip to Cochise Stronghold!




























phylp

Trad climber
Upland, CA
Nov 20, 2014 - 05:28pm PT
Sorry to hear that you are hurting, Karen.

Sounds like he was damaged and can't let that go.
Probably better for you in the long run to be rid of that energy.

Stay strong!
Phyl
Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
Thanks for all of your replies, it does help.

Hey capt. I'd love to move back up to Mammoth but with no jobs kinda rules that out.

I'll be in Mammoth quite a bit this winter since I have a ski pass but you'll find me at June Mt., once there is enough snow! and yeah, Tele is the only way to go along with back country skiing!

locker, you and I will go climbing, soon as this damn heel of mine heals.
John M

climber
Nov 20, 2014 - 05:53pm PT
locker, you and I will go climbing, soon as this damn heel of mine heals.

I thought the heel left


sorry.. :-) I've had nothing but bad jokes going through my head all day..
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Nov 20, 2014 - 06:03pm PT
Sorry Karen. I have no advice but to try to be good to yourself and stay active. I will be in JT in about a week, staying through winter - if you want to come out and climb, just let me know!
MisterE

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Nov 20, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
I got dumped over the phone about 6 years ago. I was 46, and pretty sure at that point I was going to be single for the rest of my life.

3 months later (after completely giving up on meeting anyone), I met my wife Justthemaid at a Todd Gordon slideshow during a climbing trip from Flagstaff to JTree.

I look back now and just shake my head at the fickle finger of fate.

The one who dumped me on the phone was completely wrong for me, then I met the completely right one.

Giving up was the best thing I have ever done. People have told me that before, but it never really sank in.

My wish is this slamming door is just an opportunity for another one to open up for you, Karen.

Namaste, Erik

Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Nov 20, 2014 - 07:33pm PT
Perfect way to start a new ski season!

Fresh tracks...
Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Nov 20, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
It's going to really really suck for a while.

Give yourself permission to grieve the dreams you had. New ones will arise from the ashes.

What have you learned from this relationship?

Forgive yourself (only do this if you are judging yourself, otherwise never mind this.)

I'm so glad you reached out to your community. Times like this, we need to know we are not alone. You are not alone.

PM me anytime. I've been where you are. (Now, I am so darn grateful that he dumped me.)

Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Nov 20, 2014 - 10:00pm PT
Yes to Edge and Mr. E.

Karen, I wrote you on FB. Hope you got it. But, dang girl, bottom line is our worth is not determined by another human being. They are flawed. You and I, each person here, need be who we are, be joyful with who we are and if another is not there for us like the guy you were with, it is a great adios.

You were obviously giving in your relationship much more than you were receiving.

I read recently that if you pursue what you love you will meet the people that love what you do. Then you need to use your heart and gut to weed them out.

A 35 year old friend of mine just got dumped by her boyfriend. A beautiful young woman physically and personality wise. But like you, she didn't get dumped, the God (s) were looking out for you both. Her guy was like yours.

Alone is alone, but it is OK and a time to grow and learn and be strong. Gal, you can do what ever you what right now!!!! How many people can? If you come south call and let's have fun. Cheers and Hugs, lynnie

Plus tears cause I've lost too.
Crazy Bat

Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
Nov 21, 2014 - 01:25am PT
Plenty of fish in the sea. My momma used to tell me that when some boy broke my heart.....then I discovered sport fishing. Every heard of trophy fish. I've mounted a couple......on my wall you dirtbags, get your heads out of the gutter. LOL
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Nov 21, 2014 - 10:37am PT
empathy, karen.

my spirit is currently so deflated
that i'm not able to imagine.

in your case the guy sounds quite weak.

in my case i destroyed the relationship
between myself and the right girl.

accountability is a bitch.
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Nov 21, 2014 - 10:53am PT
i've always admired your stride, Dingus.

do you to dream in burning butterflies?
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Nov 21, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
WBraun

climber
Nov 21, 2014 - 04:48pm PT
Such bullsh!t ^^^^^
MtnDeb

Mountain climber
Bishop, CA
Nov 21, 2014 - 05:27pm PT
I was with the love of my life....or so I thought....for several years and although our marriage wasn't perfect, I was floored when he just packed up and left while I was at work. Coward. Turns out he was f'ing another woman. As life would have it, best thing that could have happened to me, he took the "trash" when he walked out. I never knew how unhappy he made me until he left. I was blinded by the fantasy of what could have been with him and never opened my eyes to what a horrible person he was in many regards until I was free of him. I am now having the time of my life and could NOT be much happier.
Hang in there!
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 21, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
Karen- looking back on my earlier post it was obviously weird. I was tired after a long day of travel. Apologies. I feel your pain and you have my best thoughts. Life goes on. You are strong and will get through this.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Nov 21, 2014 - 06:03pm PT
Wonder if there are any statistics on who breaks more hearts and screws up more lives, men or women?

Another wondering thought, It appears to me that men of any age, even totally out of shape old crass males can always get a women, especially if they have the coin.

Question: Do women "settle" just to have someone in their life to take care of things?

Jess watchin' lives play out and wondering. L.
Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2014 - 06:18pm PT
Lynne, good question and curious myself what others opinions are.

Today sucked!!!!! No matter how much Cognitive Behavioral Therapy I used on myself, didn't help. Yes, I know it is going to take time....

Forgot about the stages of grief and the validity of them. This year has been one of loss, first my Mother, then Pat Nay and now this....and truthfully, still grieving the loss of Woody Stark.

Well, the rock ain't going anywhere and I am just counting down the days to get back on it!!!
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Nov 21, 2014 - 07:11pm PT
breakups go so much better with music.[Click to View YouTube Video]
buzallen

Trad climber
Palm Desert
Nov 21, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
I'm a year and a couple month out from being dumped (technically a divorce) via email after a 7+ year relationship. I kept hearing people tell me to look at it as an opportunity and for a while it pissed me off but it's ended up being the truth. I've learned a ton about myself, met new people, gone on dates, been accepted, been rejected, felt like hell as well as felt on top of the world.

It may sound funny but I think later in life I'll look back at this time as a great time as I was really experiencing life and really feeling in ways I hadn't in a while. My only regret in the process was not eliminating contact with my ex sooner after she left. I clung on and kept the door open for a few months too many and that prolonged the pain.

Dating has ended up being fun and I've met some great woman but I'm also totally fine on my own also. That's been one of the great gifts was really getting to know myself again and having my life to myself. It has been nice to take off for a few days without having to check in or tell someone what I'm doing. Also, in my case, my ex was not a climber so I've been able to climb more than I had before.

Anyway, never posted here but saw this thread and it's a topic that's been in my head a lot today.

Just put one foot in front of the other when it hurts and don't stop moving. Best of luck to you.

Brian

i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 21, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
Get hammered.
Take a few days off work, bring home some crates of vodka and citrus additives...and start some serious drinking....don't kill yourself, one strong drink per hour, for 72 hours straight, supplemented with calisthenics and music
The inebriated brain will guide you and put this catastrophe into complete perspective and quiet remission
Technically, alcohol is a solution.
When I got dumped I threw myself into climbing, which was a new sport for me. When I had noone to go with I went alone. This was probably stupid (given my lack of experience) but also let me test and push myself as far as I was willing to go. Anyway it was really anything to keep my head occupied, and being scared shitless definitely kept it occupied.
If I had two pennies they would be this
1. The pain sucks, but it means you're alive.
2. Dogs are awesome.

This probably depends upon your situation, but I was never over her until I slept with someone else.
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Nov 21, 2014 - 09:13pm PT
Sorry about your situation . . . unrequited love is the worst . . . almost, that 300 lb. boss banging the dude's girl sounds like the worst. Anyway, where were we Karen? Oh yes, best of the best to you . . . you didn't need that particular guy anyway . . . you don't need anybody or anything to define you and your personal happiness.
martygarrison

Trad climber
Washington DC
Nov 21, 2014 - 10:33pm PT
Karen, I've been dumped. Long term girlfriend from twenty to thirty. Hurt like heck. Best thing ever to happen to both of us. This is such a cliche but my father told me me this during that time, "time heals all wounds". It holds true. I don't need to wish you luck, you are going to motor pass this dude. Marty
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Nov 21, 2014 - 11:01pm PT
Positive vibe post here.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Nov 21, 2014 - 11:22pm PT
She had an app on her phone called "Where's my Droid" since she was always losing her phone. I invoked it and went and found her...through the window I could see her f**king her 300 pound boss! Ouch!

TMI, but at 300lbs I have to ask what position?
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Nov 21, 2014 - 11:28pm PT
Lots of kindness being shown here as well as some funnies.
Hang in there girl, you'll survive.

And welcome Brian!
Solid first post.

cheers
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 21, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
Dump him back!
Dingus McGee

Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
Nov 22, 2014 - 04:25am PT
Karen,

therapy for some is along Rgold's line of listening to music but choose Country Music over Rock & Roll as rock may be too upbeat for the situation. e.g Cecilia by Simon & Garfunkle.

When the tune is playing empathize with the protagonist and you may soon feel you are nohow in as bad a shape as this poor lonesome & lost soul you hear song of.

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 22, 2014 - 04:54am PT
hey there, say, karen...

oh my, i had not seen this yet... but, say, i DID see your post of this, at facebook, and put my heartfelt words, there...

trying to get over, being dumped... or, being without a loved one, that you cared for, for whatever reason... well, it really seems impossible and haunting, to ones spirit and there to drag hopes of any 'happy joined future', down... but:

one must hold on to this... YOU will not dump yourself... you have the ability to support and honor and love yourself, as a human, and as a good loyal friend, to those that you love... this makes you a treasure...


treasure is hard to find... (i think my post, to you, on all this, WAS about treasure, now that i post this)...

learn who you are and and how special your life can be, as you build it in a way, so that none will tarnish your heart and spirit...


like what was said in this quote:

The fact that you loved (and were loved by) our dear friend Pat Nay is clear indication you are very special. So hugs.


the one that dumped you, did not see the value in real treasure... he saw the value of his own self... so it is best that he not be in your life...
selfishness does not 'give and take' and work relationships into rich 'treasure fields' of:
two lives that become one, though one with multi faucets of uniqueness,
joined...


be so very glad, that you have a chance to get over this, now, while you are young... it would have been so worse, later, down the road...

hugs and prayers, to you... take a new step each day, to learn who you
are, and what your life can do now... :)
takes a long time, to redo the 'field and crops' but good fruit will come, after some time...
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 22, 2014 - 07:14am PT
Alcohol is not the answer, it's a depressant. Climbing and other exercise is the way to go. Sounds trite, but time does heal all wounds.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 22, 2014 - 09:48am PT
"Alcohol is not the answer, it's a depressant"

This is true. And when I said it technically was a solution, that was a joke. While ethanol is not a solution, all hard spirits (vodka, etc.) are.

And in regards to sleeping with someone else, that only works if you're interested in the new person. Otherwise it can just make you aware that you're not ready to move on.
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Nov 22, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
It may take a little time, but there are few things more liberating than falling out of love.
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Nov 22, 2014 - 07:33pm PT
yea even though love is shite
we still want it.

that 'ol comfort in suffering jive.
Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Nov 22, 2014 - 07:40pm PT
During my last break up i found great solace in "i will survive", the extended version, especially when sung at full volume in my car on the freeway.

The complete cut off, aka the no contact rule, is also very important.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Nov 23, 2014 - 06:25pm PT
I believe in evolution, the beautiful creation of earth, humans, animals and all other living beings, as well as the universe.

But how do you explain the pain, hurt and heartache of life on this planet?

Double Dog Dare you to answer.......
Leggs

Sport climber
Made in California
Nov 23, 2014 - 06:30pm PT
Hi Karen... I am so sorry for the current emotional position you find yourself in with this recent breakup.

I don't suggest you get drunk and laid, I simply suggest you be true to you, your values, your desires, passions, and most important, listen to your heart and trust your instincts.

May your healing be at a pace you are comfortable with.


~Peace and Hugs, Leggs
stunewberry

Trad climber
Spokane, WA
Nov 23, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
Brian up thread said it. To reiterate, I think it was Winston Churchill who first said, "When you are going through hell, keep going."
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Nov 23, 2014 - 08:46pm PT
Right on, Leggs!
Leggs

Sport climber
Made in California
Nov 23, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
Right on, Leggs!

Thanks, Lynne!
You go, Karen... you GO, GIRL!!! You GOT THIS, step by step. And not alone, either.


~High to the f*#king Five, Ladies!!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 24, 2014 - 03:39pm PT
Getting drunk and laid, truth be told, only works for men....

Don't know if it really "works" for us either. But it's what we do.

Be free Karen.. go get your dream adventures on! You will find the right person to share with.. or at least you will have some great adventures.. can't lose.
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