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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 17, 2014 - 08:39pm PT
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You CAN think of something better.
Even if your mind is completely testosterone poisoned into the gutter. You can look about life and find other aesthetic, symbolic and inspiring words to use.
Our sons, daughters, wives, girlfriends, etc. deserve a better world.
Thank you for being better than Beavis and Butthead.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 17, 2014 - 08:44pm PT
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Spider Savage sounds like a SNAG.
You tell them, sister.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 17, 2014 - 08:47pm PT
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Sensitive New Age Guy
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Nov 17, 2014 - 08:53pm PT
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Examples! need examples or cannot begin to
make up new names.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 17, 2014 - 08:55pm PT
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Spider's right. For those of you who just can't help yourselves, there are many other ways to show you're a no class moron than fixing a permanent name on a route.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Nov 17, 2014 - 10:10pm PT
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There is a line between SNAG and Asshole-That-Has-Sexual/Relationship-Angst-and-Names-a-Route-as-Consequence.
Carry on.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 17, 2014 - 10:12pm PT
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^^^
Thank you. There is also a difference between bawdy and sexist. One, OK; the other, not so much.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Nov 17, 2014 - 10:33pm PT
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LoL. Spider Savage, I used to think so too years ago and asked Dan what up with all the not just crass sexism but pure sex and more, names of routes.
Took a while for me to come to the realization that it's a climbers world and if they have the nads to do the first ascent they can name it what ever. :) lynnie
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Nov 17, 2014 - 10:37pm PT
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Seize control and distribute your own (cheaper/better) guide, with the offending names sanitized!
Even better, lead by example and put up your own routes with cooler names.
Beavis and Butthead give great innuendo and are low on the scale of disgusting route names.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Nov 17, 2014 - 10:47pm PT
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Seize control and distribute your own (cheaper/better) guide, with the offending names sanitized!
Was that a back-handed jab from Mr. Nice?
Things may heat up here in Properville!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Nov 17, 2014 - 10:52pm PT
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The City of Rocks guides comes to mind, but the wondrous & crass names live on in infamy.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 17, 2014 - 10:55pm PT
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I'm with ya, Spidey.
We can do better than that.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 17, 2014 - 11:16pm PT
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Guys.
GUYS.
This is a BIG deal.
guys.
Think of our children.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Nov 17, 2014 - 11:34pm PT
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I did Greg, they'll get over it. Yo, and I know you're kidddddiiiinnnnggg.
Cheers, lynnie and I miss yo!
Edit: But the gal with the big naked ass to my right advertizing on ST....that I might have a problem with Chris Mac.
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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 17, 2014 - 11:48pm PT
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'666'in Yosemite.
Save the children
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Cancer Boy
Trad climber
Freedonia
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Nov 17, 2014 - 11:49pm PT
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Down with respectability! What would our sport be without classic Vulgarian route names like MF, Fellatio, Turdland, Dicks Prick, or Interlewd? Some of these date from the 50's! Do people have no regard for tradition anymore? How about the Sheep Ranch? Would you modern day Carrie Nations want to erase the names of uber-classic and hair-raising pitches such as Liz is Tight and High Boots on a Full Moon Night from the history books? Climbing is not a sport for conformists or the politically correct. It used to be something that you were not supposed to do, and that was a large part of its appeal for many of us. Semper Farcissimus - bitches.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Nov 18, 2014 - 12:35am PT
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Anal Tongue Darts at Reed's. Still pissed I didn't think of it first.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Nov 18, 2014 - 05:01am PT
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My answer to route naming: Employ double entendre much like Rock and Roll does for saying what you want without being labeled as any of these "low life boys". Choose a figure of speech or a particular way of wording that is devised to be understood in either of two ways, having a double meaning.
Example: Rachael Lynn put up a climb called Bitch Therapy. I commented I liked the name but was a little surprised she choose that name.
On a later FA of mine with she and Zach she challenged me, "Can you think of a name better than Bitch Therapy ? I soon replied, "Bitch Muscle."
On a later date while at the base of Bitch Muscle with 2 women of totally different mind-sets I was ask the name of this line. The first women found the name quite funny and second woman called me out on this name as being very disgusting and ask me what it could mean. I replied that the name had several interpretations and that wherever she went with it, "Disgusting?? YOUR MIND TOOK YOU THERE" as I offered no interpretation as to the meaning of the name.
And so, "A Dare to Ms. Dangerpants."
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 18, 2014 - 05:28am PT
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 07:15am PT
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This is a troll right or have you been hanging at Owens?
Seriously, you were trolling, right?
If not I do not support the extension of the pussy-fying of the taco to route names.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 07:27am PT
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get a grip; if you don't like it, don't climb it
http://www.nationalreview.com/slideshows/392834
cry about route names and a nerdy scientist wearing an obnoxious shirt that was actually made by a woman and ignore female genital mutilation, honor killings, isis sex slaves, the burqa, killing girls just for attending school, etc.
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lars johansen
Trad climber
West Marin, CA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:13am PT
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What's wrong with Beavis and Butthead?
lars
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:14am PT
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Locker,
Doesn't this just make you want to go put up a route called
"Blue Butt Plug in her Botty with Diamonds"?
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:23am PT
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I'm going to put up a route called Little Dick, Hairy Moobies
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:32am PT
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Maybe it's a troll for route names?
Almost always there's a story behind a route name.
Spider - YOU ARE TROLLING RIGHT?
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:35am PT
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Edit: But the gal with the big naked ass to my right advertizing on ST....that I might have a problem with Chris Mac.
It's pretty humorous that people don't get that the ads they see are context sensitive to whatever the user has been digging around for online. Not sure what the relationship is between you and the Kardiashian-azz they're serving up for you, but it's out of ChrisMac's hands.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:37am PT
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If it is paronomasian and funny then it is OK.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:37am PT
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Please don't encourage them Cancer Boy.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:46am PT
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My last three climb names are:
Sausage Fest
No Man Hands Here!
Whiny Boys
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:51am PT
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Thank you for being better than Beavis and Butthead.
SS - I agree that we tend to think of ourselves as better than an example of teenage behavior in animation...
Unfortunately, we don't get the world we long for unless we move it that way.
The route names reflect only too clearly the mindset of the climber - then and now.
Maybe we can also move the parties you seem to want to protect into a world where they understand that a route name is nothing other than a name given by someone who is not them... Maybe they will learn to understand. Maybe they will look at a cliff and not see the graffittied names of the routes at their bases...
So I agree - The parties involved need to grow up and act responsible for themselves.
When we started climbing we did not enter charm school like some may believe. Then, I need to point out that the sport of climbing itself is only how old in American/World history?
Has it had a chance to mature? Evidence says no..........
Sorry, I'll butt out now
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:56am PT
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Warbler nails it (or is that sexist?)
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:57am PT
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Those that don't name routes or only name a few don't understand the challenges of coming up with a name.
^^^ +1
And often the juvenile sounding ones might have a story and a very non juvenile reason for choosing that name.
I think this thread should really be called "50 Shades of Gay"
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:00am PT
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Ask these guys;
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:03am PT
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The greatest example of route-naming with blatant sexual connotation/innuendo of which I can think is in my own "back yard" (WHOA, that's a good one!) or the "climbers' playpen" (there's another one!) known as "The Ditch."
The combination of The Nutcracker with CSC (I'm being polite--just because I could have written out the "proper" name does not mean I need to use it.) was a "stroke of genius." (This is like fish in the barrel.)
Here, take and use this in my name for your immortalization.
"Ditch Bitch."
Use it with my blessings, as long as the rating is "crazy hard" but enjoyable.
And where in the heck are your pictures, "horn-dogs." Oops, did it again!
There is no intended sexual connotation to Lenna's Lieback, named for my dear sister, though dirty minds have suggested this. For shame, but Shalom, anyway! :0)
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:19am PT
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Just thought of another angle...
If we are saying that there are too many sexist route names out there...
Are we only saying that the names are sexist against women? or for Men?
Or wait... there are a lot of route names... all, most (how many routes have been put up by women, and how many of them were named by women)... Were the women's route names as sexist in nature?
I'm just saying, taking into consideration of the activity...
all it's participants...
the age of the sport...
in the country where the names have come up as a topic of discussion...
it would all seem to fit that some would find the names that people said were the names of routes they had climbed to be somewhat offensive or sexist... it also stands to reason that sometimes the kids would name things as kids would name things...
Hopefully the reviewers of climbing can get past the name calling to appreciate the true beauty of climbing and all that it offers
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:22am PT
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There's an entire chapter devoted to this in "Our hearts, our bodies, our selves"
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:38am PT
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^^^ Locker's favorite! ^^^
You beg for it, man. :0)
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:38am PT
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This is a tough place to suggest such a thing, Spidey, but good on ya for trying.
"Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth."
Mahatma Gandhi
"Almost always, the creative dedicated minority has made the world better."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:54am PT
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My last three.
Moons over my hamster
Up in smoke
Cockblocker
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:55am PT
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wow, I might be the only person posting here regularly that has actually done Bitch Muscle, I must say I was puzzled by the name's origin.
Anal Tongue Darts
Are You Hard Enough?
Betty Does Yosemite
Bitch's Galore
Bitch's Terror
Blueballed
A Boy and His Knob
Breast Fest
Bunghole of the Universe
Chingando
Conquest of the Stud Monkey
Deep Throat
Deflowered
Defoliation
Dick Wrenching Classic
Dirty Dancing
Doggie Deviations
Doggie Diversions
Doggie Submission
Dome Polishers
Dynamo Hum
Feminine Protection
Fly-Girls
Foaming at the Crotch
Gang Bang
Golden Shower
Hand Job
Hershey Highway
Hooter Alert
Hung Like a Hamster
Jack the Zipper
Just Do Me
Knob Hill Rapist
Lap Lobster
Little Girl's Route
Love Missle F1-11
Moan Fest
Movin' Like a Stud
Mud Shark
Mudflaps
No Love-Chump Sucker
Olga's Trick
P.M.S.
Pimper's Paradise
Pink Banana
Pink Torpedo
Pocket Pussy
Pussy Paws (Pop Goes the Weasel)
The Premature Ejaculation
Proud Snapper
Pussy Licked
Pussy Wipped
Rectum Ranch
Sanitary Napkin
Season of the Bitch
Sex at Six (Tidbit)
Sex Drive
Sex Farm
Shaft of the Penetrator
Sherrie's Crack
Siberian Swarm Screw
Simian Sex
Slap that Bitch
Sloppy Seconds
Snatch Power
Spank Your Monkey
Squeeze-n-Tease
Stretch Mark
Stroke (My Erect Ear Tuffs)
Tongue and Groove
Too Big for Her Top
Uppity Women
Way Homo Sperm Burpers from Fresno
Winterlewd
Yeast Infection
some from Yosemite Valley... there are some newer climb names not included, yet... can't claim to have any real eye for this sort of thing though. This is out of 2200 named climbs, and most of the list doesn't really seem that bad... IMHO, YMMV
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:10am PT
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Larry,
Is Cockblocker a squeeze?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:15am PT
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Spanked. You should all be spanked, you monkeys.
Except for Jingy. :0)
*Disgusting!*
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wallyvirginia
Trad climber
Stockholm, Sweden
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:18am PT
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I'm with spider on this one. And you guys are d#@&%ebags for hating on him.
Sounds like the kind of sh#t I get for being a vegetarian on construction sites.
Everybody's shaking their heads at me, when in reality, I'm the only one who gives a sh#t and trying to make the world a better place.
And what the f*#k has sexual preference got to do with anything?
Morons!
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:21am PT
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
Nov 18, 2014 - 10:10am PT
Larry,
Is Cockblocker a squeeze?
No sqeeze. Lots of gastoning.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:31am PT
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This thread keeps getting better and better!
Monkeys spanking monkeys!
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:56am PT
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"Sounds like the kind of sh#t I get for being a vegetarian on construction sites.
Everybody's shaking their heads at me, when in reality, I'm the only one who gives a sh#t and trying to make the world a better place."
Look at the bright side:
A) They're not kicking your ass and
B) at least you're not a vegan
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:59am PT
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Ed, you forgot CS Concerto, partner route for Nutcracker Sweet as I recall the story goes. Didn't know what the CS stood for when I did the route, but found out a few years later.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 11:00am PT
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Tvash, I don't think Wally was being serious - I read it as comical sarcasm.
And who knows maybe he was serious and we'll have to fly over and kick his veggie ass...
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 11:01am PT
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Again I still think this is a SNAT (sensitive new age troll)
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Nov 18, 2014 - 11:03am PT
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Helped put up/bolt a route in the Emigrant area of the Sierra and we called it Feminine Protection - 60+ feet 5.11. It is consistent in moves for the grade, really good if my memory serves me right? We hadn't done much bolting and got carried away a bit and placed like 6 bolts or something; it ended up being basically a bolt near every hardish move. Plus, from afar the micro formation resembled a maxi-pad. Years later I see it called Mousetrap in the guide. I always figured it was the proximity to Berkeley and the hyper-PC 'tude of the early to mid-90s that changed the name? Who really cares anyway..
In MT, I combined portions of a couple routes to 'establish' a different 'line'. I called it Stroked by a Priest. The route it finished on was called Slapped by a Nun(see what I am gettin at). Funny, no problem with the slapped name but they left the stroked route outa the guide,..90's PC shitaqua!!
However, the one that did make the guide was called Redurtnilana. It is just a couple words spelled backwards. It was located next to a chossy route we named after our senator, Conrad Burns. The guidebook notes that the route Redurtnilana, when read backwards refers to the prior route. Sh#tBird Press didn't catch it and folks laughed. BFD.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 18, 2014 - 11:07am PT
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Treat me gently. I just learned last night that I'm sex positive.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 11:24am PT
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CS Concerto is a sort of inside joke, so inside that even the steelmnkey had to be clued in!
There are other double entendres that I didn't include since they only reflect on my vivid imagination... even some that I did include might not have been by others..
I'll try to remember to look at the updated route list tonight, Brian and Norm route names are distinguishable all unto themselves...
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 11:47am PT
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Again folks, since some of you are misinterpreting the gist of this thread, Spider was talking about "crass sexism", not mere sexual references. That seems obvious but clearly not to many of you. For example, all the Valley climbs someone posted up thread, not what he was talking about based on my reading of his post. Same thing with the route someone mentioned, "Feminine Protection". However, the poorly named "Black Chicks in Heat" at the ORG probably hits the nail on the head (in addition to being just downright offensive).
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
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Ah I remember the route name: "Special Sauce"
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Nov 18, 2014 - 01:56pm PT
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Lyrics to My Pink Half Of The Drainpipe
[Which route name and lyrics have nothing to do with Crass Sexism; not there is anything wrong with that]
You talking to me across the fence
Of common sense
How your tomato plant will win a prize,
won't that be nice,
And by the way, how's your wife?
Your holidays were spent in Spain
You went by plane
You'll go again
Have you seen me bullfight poster on the wall?
Do you know the happy memory it recalls?
Here's a photograph of me and my son, Ted
That's me cousin with his hanky on his head!
We booked in at our hotel just after two
And met a family from Bradford that we knew
Oooh, I love that melody-ah! Burp!
My pink half of the drainpipe
Separates next door from me
My pink half of the drainpipe
Oh, Mama!
Belongs to me
Rodney's main saxaphone solo, as promised
My pink half of the drainpipe
Semidetaches us
My pink half of the drainpipe
Oh, Mama!
Belongs to moi
I have a sister in Toronto who's a nurse
And I've had a bit of bother laying turf
It's life, not books, that taught me all I've learned
Whoops, nip in the oven my rice pudding's getting burnt!
Have you seen the new attachment on me drill?
I must have the cat put down, ‘cause he's ill
Hey, neighbour!
My pink half of the drainpipe
I may paint it blue
My pink half of the drainpipe
Keeps me safe from
you!
I'm a wobbly jelly, you're a pink blancmange
I'm a sherry trifle, you're a chocolate sponge
Your dad wears a paper hat, mine inflates balloons
Whoops! Boodly boop! Pop! Here comes a spoon!
My pink half of the drainpipe
Separates me from the incredibly fascinating story of your life and every day to day event in all it's minute and tedious attention to detail... And was it a Thursday or a Wednesday? Or, oh, no, it wasn't though. Oh, who cares anyway because I do not
So Norman, if you're normal, I intend to
be a freak for the rest of my life, and I shall baffle you with cabbages and rhinoceroses in the kitchen, incessant quotations from "Now We Are
Six" through the mouthpiece of Lord Snooty's giant, poisoned, electric head.
Of course, such a great song deserved a route named after it.
See also: Bonzo Dog Band a route at Josh.
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Nov 18, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
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Ha! I was just a wee climber back then, and it was only my second trip to the Valley (really my first as my first was a weekend two-day wall where I never even saw the Lodge, Ahwahnee, or Curry).
Guidebook said CS...whaddid we know. We pretty much did it because we were standing there and it seemed like the next best thing after eyeballing the atrocious conga line on Nutcracker. In any case, who'd have thunk it meant THAT! Only heard about the meaning and the relationship to Nutcracker by happenstance a couple years later. Took me 10 years to come back and find Nutcracker lonely enough to bother with.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Anywhere I like
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Nov 18, 2014 - 06:49pm PT
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^^^^^Tvash +++100. Hilarious.
What about 'tighter than a ten year old' in the Creek? Thats really got to offend the sensitive new age politically correct vegetarian child construction workers out there.
To the pc crowd, whatever happened to 'sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'? Get over your guilty white suburban selves.
I want to name a route 'the continued pussyfication of the american male' Carlin would have liked it
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Banks
Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
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Life's a Bitch And Then You Marry One- Joshua Tree
Good route, only wish it was taller.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 07:20pm PT
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I thought about putting this up for the Word of the Month but was upstaged by the bardic wit of MisterE himself, the OP of WOM.
"Ossification" is the process of Bone Formation.
It gets used regularly and wrongly to describe growing old. That is probably because it merely SOUNDS like "fossilification." Buncha Jerks.
[Apologies to Fossil Climber.]
What, though, is this gist of which you speak? Splain it to me, Lucy.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:02pm PT
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Check your Hueco Tanks Guide if your delicate sensibilities can handle it.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:05pm PT
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actually, still not too much to report:
69
Anal Heat
Benzoin and Edges: The Testes Squeeze
Bombay Bitch
Bring in the Fembots
Buckle Bunny
Butthole Climbers
Cherry Picker
Chester the Molester
C*#k Tarte
Crotch Cricket
Cunnilingus Corner
Fecophilia
Fellatio Flake
Fertile Attraction
Hard on the Beaver
Honk If You're Horny
Hookers and Housewives
Infectious Groove
Kat Scratch Fever
Licker Store
Morning Lumber
No Teats
Perineum
Pneumatic Butt-Ram
Porker Party
Public Enema Number One
Pygmy Sex Circus
Redheads With Jugs
Rump Ranger
Sex Drive
Short but Thick
Slut Wagon
T-Bags Hanging
Taboo Treat
Teenage Mutant Blowjobs
Thar She Blows
Tube Stake Colonic
Voyage to Uranus
Weak Stud In A Hole aka Cheap Date
Whoreny Toad
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:17pm PT
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Spidey...you still out there? Or was this simply a troll?
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 18, 2014 - 08:39pm PT
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:21pm PT
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Frankly, I'm much more offended by casual racism and other crass idiocy like the "religion" of Scientology.
Cunning Stunt is the best route name of all time.
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johnkelley
climber
Anchorage Alaska
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:31pm PT
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Do Wild Dog Vapor Lock and Boiled Goose fall into this catagory?
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2014 - 09:32pm PT
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In this world there are fine gentlemen who seek to make things better. Artists who guild the world like a fine sunset, and bring warmth to the hearts of others.
I have many fine friends like this here in this forum.
Then there are those that bung it up and can't even see that they live in their own filth.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:35pm PT
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I'm gonna have to agree with Anita on this one. ;-)
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:48pm PT
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Who is gonna get the second ascent of "Cunt-lice?"
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:53pm PT
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"I have many fine friends like this here in this forum."
Mostly lurkers, as far as this thread is concerned, apparently.
Fat Dad's distinction was an interesting one...where do you fall on that?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 18, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
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"stand and deliver"
Right next door
"bend over and receive"
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:10pm PT
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Did anyone ever climb into the Sphincter on Camp 4 Wall's base? Nearby to Henley Quits. Henley was a Fresnan (from Fresno, moron).
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cassondra long
Trad climber
las vegas
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:15pm PT
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I gave a route a very girlie name as an antidote to the hypertestosterone influence in route naming. The route name Chocolate Tranquility Fountain graces a particularly beautiful stretch of crack hidden inside a chimney. I suppose some might be put off even by that.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Nov 18, 2014 - 10:24pm PT
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I always saw that sh#t as specifically part of roped climbing.
If I ever put up something, it was either difficult or dangerous, and the route names had to be meaningful.
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Cancer Boy
Trad climber
Freedonia
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Nov 18, 2014 - 11:23pm PT
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This thread reminds me of that flick Road Warrior…
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Scott Thelen
Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
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Nov 19, 2014 - 06:05am PT
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Tuberculosis Blanket
Not sexist but crass
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 19, 2014 - 06:32am PT
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The solution.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2014 - 06:46am PT
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Fat Dad's distinction was an interesting one...where do you fall on that?
Fad Dad understands exactly what I'm talking about. And I see that you do too. Thank you for helping.
As you two know, I'm not talking about the very creative names that are "PG."
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2014 - 06:57am PT
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I don't know if you're talking to me Locker, but some routes I've named:
Eat or Be Eaten
Goldline
Skyline
Hyperion
Aenea
Endimion
Tethy's
Climbing areas/walls named:
Hyperion Slab
Pangea Wall
Trenchtown
Temple of Ishtar
Words from liturature, history, science, etc.
So many great ways to say things. If route authors stop and think a little, they'd find a better way to say it.
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kpinwalla2
Social climber
WA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:21am PT
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Here's a great one:
"My Dixie Wrecked" - looks totally harmless in a guidebook. If someone accuses you of being crass or vulgar, tell them that "Dixie" was the pet name for your favorite car and they have a dirty mind!
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 08:35am PT
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Savage, while all route names I've been involved with have a story associated with them, I think this whole idea that one should censor their route names "for the children and wives" is lame. One it's free speech, (as is your call for censorship) but more importantly it reeks of the opinion of someone that's becoming an old curmudgeon. Nothing personal meant by that actually, just pointing out what I see.
What's next no swearing at crags?
Can't drink a beer at the base?
What about girls with clothing you might find inappropriate - is that okay at the crag?
It's bad enough that people want a bolt every 2 inches now.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Nov 19, 2014 - 08:36am PT
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Here's some of my route names.
Unnamed
Unnamed
Unnamed
Partner named it something
Unnamed
Unnamed.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2014 - 08:39am PT
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Nov 18, 2014 - 11:47am PT
"Again folks, since some of you are misinterpreting the gist of this thread, Spider was talking about "crass sexism", not mere sexual references. That seems obvious but clearly not to many of you. For example, all the Valley climbs someone posted up thread, not what he was talking about based on my reading of his post. Same thing with the route someone mentioned, "Feminine Protection". However, the poorly named "Black Chicks in Heat" at the ORG probably hits the nail on the head (in addition to being just downright offensive)."
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Nov 19, 2014 - 08:43am PT
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Kev's post above is a lot better than that apogee.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2014 - 08:46am PT
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I get where kev is coming from in the first part of his post, but slippery slope arguments are lame, tji.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:02am PT
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LMAO - Apogee, not meant as a slippery slope argument. What is the difference between Savage suggesting no crass sexist names for routes and some one suggesting that a book shouldn't be in a library?
Since when is it my problem (hint: read the rest as comedic sarcasm) to worry about all the breeders children and your apparently cloistered wives?
EDIT: this has been a really great thread though.
EDIT PART DEUX: and i've got nothing against Savage. I REALLY had pegged this as a troll until he started commenting on the thread recently.
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wallyvirginia
Trad climber
Stockholm, Sweden
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:05am PT
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If you think the issue is about a few route names that are offensive, that just goes to show how ignorant you are.
I feel with spider on this because I have two beautiful children growing up and I'm seeing the world through their eyes. And it pisses me off that everywhere, in this society that us grown ups have created, there are these constant reminders that, above anything else, men are horny animals and women are sexually objectified potential conquests.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:06am PT
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Translation "if I don't do what you want or agree with you I am the enemy"
WOW HOW TOLERANT YOU ARE OF OTHERS
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wallyvirginia
Trad climber
Stockholm, Sweden
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:17am PT
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Are you familiar with looking at a problem as an iceberg? Say sexual harassment, for example.
One incident of sexual harassment is the tip of the iceberg, what's visible above the water line. The rest of the iceberg is also part of the incident, just not as obvious. It's what's leading up to the incident, like naming a route some sexist crap, for instance. Accepting attitudes plays a part..
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:23am PT
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men are horny animals and women are sexually objectified potential conquests.
Some women like to objectify men, too.
Here's some relevant 'man-candy'...
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:26am PT
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Awww group hug....Nah not drinking your koolaid wally - I support free speech.
Now I think I might have to put up a route named "Pussy Problems"
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:26am PT
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"Tip of the iceburg" is a well known northern sexual reference.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:27am PT
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Anita, If you take that to the Castro in SF the dudes there might dig him too...
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:28am PT
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"Just the Tip"
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:30am PT
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That's Sonnie Trotter dumbass
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:31am PT
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Hmmmmm. How long til Spider deletes the thread he started? Any guesses?
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:34am PT
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I get where kev is coming from in the first part of his post Glad you edited and I agree. Obviously Kev was being intentional with his slippery slope.
As far as my "beautiful children" argument, I hope you never allow them on the internet, to watch television, read a newspaper, or go out in society, cause their purity will be lost. Live and learn, don't hide and censor.
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John M
climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:36am PT
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Oh come on Kev.. aren't you doing the same thing?
You are saying… If you don't like what I am doing.. too bad. Its my right.
You expect him to be tolerant, but how tolerant are you?
I would like to see route names that aren't sexist, crass or sound like they were made up by a bunch of 3rd grade boys.
What is the difference between Savage suggesting no crass sexist names for routes and some one suggesting that a book shouldn't be in a library?
A book can be put in the adult section so as to limit childrens exposure to it. The name of a route can't be.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:53am PT
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John, we're talking about route names for christ sake not adult videos. Isn't it the parents job to deal with what EACH PARENT chooses is okay and not okay? Until a law is broken it's fine. If you don't like the names then change the laws about what we can and can't write, say, think, etc.
Also, I'm not advocating for or against any route names. People can name the sh#t they put up whatever they want. Like I said mine usually come from the story of the FA, and often much agonizing and debate occurs before a name is settled on. But really advocating censorship "for the wives and children" or claiming "sexual harassment"? I find this laughable and very weak sauce.
I hope Savage doesn't go to the eastside very often: I had a buddy that was on "Show your Tits" (at ORG I think) and these chicks were yelling up to him "What route are you on?" he replied with the route name. After a couple of iterations they took off. Imagine their laughter later when they looked in the guide book and found out the name of the route.
I'm not offended by a penis shaped rock being called "cock rock" or another one being named "The unmentionable". All the PC crap on the taco is growing very very tiresome.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:03am PT
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"Live and learn, don't hide and censor."
Did Spider suggest that a bunch of route names should be changed?
I didn't get that...more like, we can do better as a climbing community than some of the really over-the-line 'nomenclature' that is out there.
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John M
climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:13am PT
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PC crap… got it.
Kev.. is there a point where you would protest a name? Can you imagine a name where even you would go.." hey man.. you should change that name"? If so, then how is that different then what spider is doing?
Societies have censorship.. You don't have a blanket right to use obscenities everywhere that you want to. If you put up a great big sign on your property that uses obscenities, then your town or county will probably make you take it down. And I say good for them. I wouldn't want to live next to such a sign. I don't need a law to tell me if something is good or not. Nor do I want one when it comes to names of routes. I just wish that some people wouldn't equate freedom to do something as some indication of how manly they are. Thats what 3rd grade boys do. Once a route is created, it becomes public domain. Free speech is not fully protected in the public domain.
And excusing that kind of behavior simply because its too hard to protect a child from everything is weak.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:15am PT
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Apogee,
I just don't see how everyone can be happy all the time. I do find some of the crass names kinda funny, but there are some that I find offensive. But hey that was someone elses name and I don't even know why it's called that.
But no Savage never suggested changing history - just limiting our future names to his sensibilities (whether or not ones sensibilities agreed with his or not).
I challenge you to find a single route names that would be deemed inappropriate in a rated R movie.
I get that putting up a route and calling it "salad tossing bung pirates" and doing this at school rock (fictional) where all the routes are named rated G kiddy sounding things would be lame. That said I think the bung pirates name above would be perfectly fine in other areas. But wait these are MY sensibilities and not everyone will agree with me, even though they really should...really...seriously....
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:20am PT
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"liturature"?
At least the squirt namers are liturate.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:22am PT
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John,
No I wouldn't ask someone to change their route name. I might not hang out with the person who's speech I found offensive but i'm not going to ask someone to change their route name.
One name that seems offensive to me is "Black Chicks in Heat" but who knows maybe two black chicks put it up on a sweltering day at the Gorge.
I also wouldn't ask someone to remove bolts or add bolts to their route. Now if they came to me and solicited my opinion i'd give it.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:27am PT
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kev, the questions of adding bolts and route names are not equivalent, nor directly related.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:32am PT
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And excusing that kind of behavior simply because its too hard to protect a child from everything is weak
So what grade is "Catcher in the Rye" okay?
And Oh FUK we better remove "The Canterbury Tales" - that's some pervey kinky sh#t there (granted you need an old english dictionary but you'd need an urban dictionary for some of the route names).
What are you protecting your child from? Life? Reality? Words?
Again for the last time - I'm not advocating for any name just advocating for route naming freedom! Free the vowels and consonants equally. Allow PWT to be PWT!
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:43am PT
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This thread has inspired me to put up some new routes. Thinking one will be called Care Bears Care, another the Yellow Power Ranger, and maybe Barney the Purple Headed Dinosaur.
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Cancer Boy
Trad climber
Freedonia
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:53am PT
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Crass can be brilliant or moronic. It's time for the TOP TEN list. Any takers? Anal tounge darts and way homo sperm burpers from fresno surely rate the brilliant (zone 10) designation.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 10:59am PT
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Pretty much everyone I have climbed with has given at least one route a raunchy name. It is humor people. The tolerance gate should swing both ways.
Raunchy humor is not an endorsement of sexism, misogyny, homophobia, bestiality or anything else. People that truly endorse those things will eventually out themselves, and be treated by society the way they so richly deserve.
I have been climbing for 46 years and my kids have been climbing and round climbers for more than 20. I am a total mess but my kids turned out ok in spite of it. To each his own.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:09am PT
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Possible nomination for the for the top 10
In the pinnacles at the formation called "The Back Door"
"Limp at Last"
"Mr. Hugh G. Rection"
"The Gag"
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Nov 19, 2014 - 11:28am PT
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Creatively naming routes after body parts/functions and the funny words we invent for them can be hilarious. Many here:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1222822&tn=0&mr=0
My guess is that what Spider is getting at is route-names that are abusive of a certain group of people, putting them down, sending a message that they are excluded from equal participation in the climbing community.
And that's not cool whether the group of people targeted is women, blacks, asians, jews, gays, etc.
Though I'm not sure there are many really egregious examples. Black Chicks in Heat is pretty nasty. Maybe there's a context that explains and justifies that name, like "Jews on Crack" at the Creek.
Maybe a better way to think of this issue is that in the more equal, non-sexist climbing community that we are becoming, boys will still think of crassly sexist names but would consider that such names may cause offense to partners and friends they know and respect: so they would choose less sexist names.
No censorship needed, just a bit more empathy.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
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More empathy is always a good thing, but this seems to be a non-problem that no one but some old white guys are even aware of.
I reckon the 'problem' will work itself out as the new generations name their trophies. Working with teens in climbing indicates that New Age sensitivity is not experiencing a comeback, but that's just anecdotal, of course. The latest joke meme circulating among the kids involves finding oneself inadvertently trapped in a drum circle.
In any case, time heals all wounds.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:26pm PT
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"but this seems to be a non-problem that no one but some old white guys are even aware of. "
Sort of true, but the degradation process has only increased over the decades. Given this trend, and how unlikely that 'future generations' will change anything, one can only imagine how much further into the slime we are headed for. Cheers!
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TwistedCrank
climber
Released into general population, Idaho
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:26pm PT
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"The Dripping Clit"
"The Lips"
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 19, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
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That's an insult to slime mold everywhere.
A strong dose of lightening up makes the medicine of life go down. If you really want to fight a good fight - a woman's right to choose is rapidly being flushed down the toi toi. Good place to start with the whole R E S P E C T thing.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Nov 19, 2014 - 03:32pm PT
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Penis Magnet
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 19, 2014 - 04:42pm PT
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I wonder what this formation would be named if it was named today (instead of in the 1950s)?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 19, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
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Sexist can also be okay..."She's the Bosch."
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goatboy smellz
climber
लघिमा
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Nov 19, 2014 - 04:52pm PT
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Spider if you really can not appreciate low brow humor and think we all need to place route names on some white golden pillar of conformity that does not offend anyone, well man,
all I can say is, I just feel sorry for you and your inability to appreciate the rich flavor of this game.
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Nov 19, 2014 - 05:00pm PT
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Darryl Hatten had the best one of all, The Negro Lesbian, for his route next to the Black Dyke.
It's crying out for another line squeezed in there called Audre Lorde.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Nov 19, 2014 - 05:12pm PT
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There are/were some pretty bad boulder problem names in Hueco.
Beer, pizza and a 3ft Mexican *&!$%# among them.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Nov 19, 2014 - 05:29pm PT
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I climbed teenage girls don't blow gorbies yesterday... ;)
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 19, 2014 - 05:30pm PT
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That's Sonnie Trotter dumbass
Now there's a good name for a route.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
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This thread deserves to be rated as the dumbest f*#king thing I've ever read.
I guess the route that Tucker and I put up "My Pussy Hurts" is crass and insensitive.
Here's some sensitivity, go f*#k yourself.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
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^^^
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Just couldn't think of anything better? Amazing.
Plus the great friendly comment at the end.
Thank you for your example.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 08:40pm PT
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My pleasure. While you're at it, go get your nails done, your hair froofed, and your muffin buffed. Then go hang out at your local gym and climb some 5 star classics like "fluffy bunny", and "happy kitty".
The FA's on routes and areas have every right to name the routes as they see fit. If you don't like the names, shut up and don't climb the route. You come off with an air of moral superiority that stinks like a dead animal baking in the sun.
Maybe you should stay away from climbers/climbing and start knitting. I hear they are polite.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
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rlf- Go ahead, think of three nice names for that climb.
Something from a favorite book you you've read?
Passage in a favorite poem?
Quote from respected philospher?
Take some pride in making a clever name. It's fun and rewarding.
We spend time climbing in the outdoors because it feels great and the outdoors is beautiful, rocks are aesthetic. Why not make a route name that contributes to wonder?
Even a clever bitter and cynical name.
But PLEASE, respect the chicks man.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
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I don't think any of us are personally offended.
It's just sad to see the stupidity.
It's like a formula: What is the stupidest possible name I could give this new route? I know! Body Parts or Body Fluids! That's it.
"Boy am I clever! Yuk Yuk"
Stupid white men.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:10pm PT
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Well actually no. You come of as anything clever or intelligent. I guess you won't be climbing on the Wall of Disgusting Butt Sex Tucker and I put up about 8 years ago. These routes included some classic choss piles like "Pump my monkey hole", "Show Me Those Beautiful Breasts Again", and "Rub My Leaking Tree".
Very offensive. Here's a good one for you, "50,000 battered women in this country and I'm still eating them plain"
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Nov 19, 2014 - 09:11pm PT
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An observation:
The irony between this thread and some of the posters comments and of those over on the Beyer thread whining about his anti-semitic remarks on that topo and the naming of his route(s) is just weird.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Nov 20, 2014 - 02:17am PT
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"Savage a spiders anus", thats gonna be my next one....
"Cinnamon hole tongue-punch" needs a climb to call its own.
Spider savage should not visit our beloved "cum dumpster' crag.....
get bent
thank you
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Nov 20, 2014 - 02:20am PT
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I don't know what you expected, anyway. Thanks for all the comedy that your faggy little thread provided.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 20, 2014 - 03:09am PT
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Like I said earlier, the air of superiority reeks in this thread.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 20, 2014 - 05:27am PT
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"Look, Mom! I'm a sperm!" ?
Don't you mean Dad?
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 06:49am PT
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A woman could name a route absolutely any man degrading thing she wanted to, and I wouldn't be bothered in the slightest.
And if it was funny I would probably like the name.
Again Both Locker and I thought this was a troll. That's how wacky this whole touchy fuking feely thread is. I still don't (and never will so don't bother trying anymore) understand why some people have their panties in a bunch about route names. Sh#t happens - move on and get over it.
So if a girl names a route "bitchy oozing fisting" (or b.o.f. for short) that's okay but if I do it's not? Or is that bad too because we all must follow the PC police?
And more importantly - WHO THE FUK CARES?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Nov 20, 2014 - 06:52am PT
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+1 kev.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 07:48am PT
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+1 kevin
Also I think we can scratch the argument "what about the wives." Someone attempted to suggest that 'adult' route names cause sexual harassment - wow... By that logic doesn't it follow that the guy who put up "Osama Been Leading" is causing terrorism?
Wouldn't it be better if we focused our energies on access issues rather than route names...
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 07:55am PT
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DMT - i'm talking about all the complaining here about route names (those that already exist and those yet to be determined). Better to be concerned about access than route names.
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wallyvirginia
Trad climber
Stockholm, Sweden
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Nov 20, 2014 - 08:04am PT
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Spider tries a friendly "Hey guys, what's up with naming routes silly sexist bs? Come on, we can do better than that!" And he gets ravaged for it.
Some people are so threatened when someone's trying to be less of an as#@&%e than they are..
No one has even mentioned changing existing names, censorship etc. except the scared shitless haters.
I don't wanna hide the truth from my children, that's why I live in a multi cultural part of the city and not in one of the false bubbles of wealthy and educated neighborhoods. But if I did, it wouldn't be for the sake of their purity, as someone suggested, it would be for their sanity. This world is fubar.
Edit,
I did not say the naming of routes causes sexual harassment, I said accepting attitudes concerning sexism plays a part.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 20, 2014 - 08:07am PT
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"the air of superiority reeks in this thread."
Is that what this subject says to you?
I don't get that at all. Weird.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 20, 2014 - 08:30am PT
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Its just me, a father of daughters, trying to shift his perspective just a tiny bit.
Me too for sure. That may be the most insightful thing you've said here in a long time!
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 08:38am PT
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DMT,
Given my background I've tend to use "one" instead of he/she/him/her (unless it is a gender specific thing). I've never understood why "one" is used so sparingly except possibly for the slight awkwardness it can create as it forces the writing to be a tad more formal. I sense no Jihad from you on this (or most things..)
Wally,
you just said
I did not say the naming of routes causes sexual harassment, I said accepting attitudes concerning sexism plays a part.
actually that's not all that accurate - look at your words. You said a lot more than that and now your downplaying your actual words.
One incident of sexual harassment is the tip of the iceberg, what's visible above the water line. The rest of the iceberg is also part of the incident, just not as obvious. It's what's leading up to the incident, like naming a route some sexist crap, for instance.Accepting attitudes plays a part..
And as far as haters go look at your own words - not the words of tolerance.
No one has even mentioned changing existing names, censorship etc. except the scared shitless haters.
Some people are so threatened when someone's trying to be less of an as#@&%e than they are..
If you think the issue is about a few route names that are offensive, that just goes to show how ignorant you are.
Morons!
And you guys are d#@&%ebags for hating on him.
So you've called me and others d#@&%ebags, as#@&%es, scared shitless haters, ignorant, and morons.
What kinda response do you think you're going to get after your word choice? So you're either trying to troll us our well you're just and angry bitch (if you're a chic) or angry dick (with a little dick at that) if you are in fact a dude.
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Crump
Social climber
Lakewood, CO
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Nov 20, 2014 - 09:40am PT
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We went a couple of rounds with Texas Parks and Wildlife over names at Enchanted Rock back in the 80s. It was really lame. They took offense at a route called Becky's Crack which was named for Fred, and another route called Eat. We never understood what was dirty about the name Eat??? On their flyer they changed the route name from Eat to Fat.
Some of the best route names relate to an historical event like when 2 lesbians were spotted having hot girl-girl in the Lesbian Love Grotto at Hueco Tanks. Inspired names like Tongue in Groove and Thumbing the Dike...
One of the worst name all time was one done in the Barton Creek Greenbelt in Austin... Pussy Puss...
Did a route back when I was 17 and loved it so much that I named it for my two favorite things, Titties and Beer!!!
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 20, 2014 - 09:51am PT
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Offense is always in the eyes of the offended. It's a choice. This is all about the sensibilities, guilt, and shame of a few parents, really. It always is.
By the time a kid would be interested in picking up a cragging guide, none of this matters anymore. They're already well familiar with a world far more explicit than anything a climber could come up with. Welcome to the new sex positive.
The kids are alright. Protective parenting more often than not fails in its impossible objective. It also runs the risk of damaging the relationship - and thus minimizing the influence the parent is attempting to exert.
Want healthy kids? Nurture a sense of humor and an easy going nature that is not easily offended - by anything. If something comes up, encourage open discussion - of anything. They'll take the cue and, in turn, discuss things openly with their peers - and have a better chance of making healthier choices.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:10am PT
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Just purchased 50 butt splice connectors. Instructions say to insert and crimp with tool. Crass?
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:21am PT
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zzzzzzzzzzzz
(not to you, WTF)
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:25am PT
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"Unskilled Cunnilinguist", please.
Perish the thought that our delicate mothers, sisters, and daughters should have their pearly minds deflowered by such impurity.
WWTVMD?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:26am PT
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I'm calling my next route "sand in spideys gina"
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:30am PT
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Captain: hey... that's my line!
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:36am PT
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What kinda response do you think you're going to get after your word choice? So you're either trying to troll us our well you're just and angry bitch (if you're a chic) or angry dick (with a little dick at that) if you are in fact a dude.
Its a two way street Kev.. maybe you have posted respectfully, but plenty of others haven't. Try looking at Rif/Roberts posts if you missed the insults.
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Banks
Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:38am PT
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Offense is always in the eyes of the offended. It's a choice. This is all about the sensibilities, guilt, and shame of a few parents, really. It always is.
By the time a kid would be interested in picking up a cragging guide, none of this matters anymore. They're already well familiar with a world far more explicit than anything a climber could come up with. Welcome to the new sex positive.
The kids are alright. Protective parenting more often than not fails in its impossible objective. It also runs the risk of damaging the relationship - and thus minimizing the influence the parent is attempting to exert.
Want healthy kids? Nurture a sense of humor and an easy going nature that is not easily offended - by anything. If something comes up, encourage open discussion - of anything. They'll take the cue and, in turn, discuss things openly with their peers - and have a better chance of making healthier choices.
Great. Just when the thread was completely devolving into a steaming pile, you have to go and say something rational.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:42am PT
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I feel with spider on this because I have two beautiful children growing up and I'm seeing the world through their eyes. And it pisses me off that everywhere, in this society that us grown ups have created, there are these constant reminders that, above anything else, men are horny animals and women are sexually objectified potential conquests.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Hopefully your kids don't read your words on this thread. You're quite the vulgar, little, name caller. Some people might call it crass. Is this part of your solution?
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:44am PT
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The OP's tone was insulting to start with. Or maybe we'll pretend it's not if we agree with him.
Okay Jebus.. I will agree with you on this to a point. For some reason, which I haven't been able to figure out, Spider tends to come across to me as insulting to. Sort of Lofty superiority. I don't know why that is as he seems to be a nice guy. But then lots of folks online persona is different from their in person persona. I have been trying to figure that one out since I first noticed it. It makes me wonder how I come across. But thats just my own curiosity..
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:46am PT
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Hopefully your kids don't read your words on this thread. You're quite the vulgar, little, name caller. Some people might call it crass. Is this part of your solution?
I don't see how you get that from his post.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:46am PT
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there are these constant reminders that, above anything else, men are horny animals
Wow someone needs to go to sexual harassment training - I feel soooo dirty after reading what you wrote wally. I think I may need to seek out therapy...
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:47am PT
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John, read the rest of his/her posts.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:54am PT
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John,
I made those comments as (the earlier one about wally) because wallys posts tend to occur right after mine and could be viewed as a response to mine. In which case they are quite ironic.
I have tried (although I sure as hell ain't perfect) to avoid the name calling until the last little bit. My patience has growing weary.
Whats really funny though is that none of this actually matters. Peeps are still gonna name routes as they see fit (hell this may have pushed some towards crass sexist names.) Yet us tacoites continue to spew about something that is a vacuous problem.
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couchmaster
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:54am PT
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PRANCING UNICORN HAS NOT BEEN USED AS A ROUTE NAME YET. Consider that open source and have at it.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:05am PT
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FACT: Your level of caring about this penny ante bullshit is inversely proportional to your number and/or frequency of FAs and your climbing ability.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:11am PT
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I'll call the next one "incredible Jones"...:-)
Just to be fair.........
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:14am PT
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FACT: Elcapinhisazz struggles with basic mathematics concepts
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:20am PT
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^^^ Failed math tutor, struggling with writing simple english.
;^)
How's the elbow anyway Kev? (Seriously, I remember you were struggling with tendonosis a couple years ago from hand drilling)
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:35am PT
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This whole thread is a tempest in a tampon
Women hater...
EDITED:
Excuse me, Crass Women Hater...
Where are my manners?
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:35am PT
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Yet us tacoites continue to spew about something that is a vacuous problem.
There isn't any way for me to indicate the level of difficulty of the mental health issues that I deal with daily. Yet I'm a pussy if I don't like vulgar names.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:46am PT
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There isn't any way for me to indicate the level of difficulty of the mental health issues that I deal with daily. Yet I'm a pussy if I don't like vulgar names.
Nope. You're missing the point. IT'S YOUR CHOICE TO IGNORE THINGS YOU DON'T LIKE.
This doesn't make you a pussy. What makes "you" a pussy (not directly) is when you whine like a little bitch about something that has little to no value whatsoever.
You're intact.
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:54am PT
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T'S YOUR CHOICE TO IGNORE THINGS YOU DON'T LIKE.
you can't ignore a name of a route because you need the name in order to communicate with others.
Hey.. you know that route, the one named with the vulgarities. You mean.. blah blah blah.. no.. not that one. Oh.. you mean.. blah blah blah.. No not that one.. the other one.
You can't ignore it. You have to use it.
Kev complained about censorship as being a form of force, yet naming something crass forces everyone to come to the same level of crassness in order to communicate.
If thats whining, well then, f*#k you.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:57am PT
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Well, let's try this again. Not only can you ignore the name of the route, you can ignore the route all together.
Somehow I don't think that there is a limited number of routes out there with "nice" names.
Ignore the ones you don't like, and move on to something else. Somehow I don't believe you'll run out of anything to climb anytime soon.
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:59am PT
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There's lots… so you should be able to do whatever you want. Isn't that what the chippers say?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Nov 20, 2014 - 12:12pm PT
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Mormons invent morals as needed. They're expedient folk. Bastards all, they.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Nov 20, 2014 - 12:17pm PT
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I struggle every day to avoid the urge to drink too much craft beer, but the bastards just keep opening new breweries and brewing more excellent beer. Don't they understand what they are doing to me?!?!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Edit:
Just for you Toquer
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 12:18pm PT
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Spider tends to come across to me as insulting to. Sort of Lofty superiority
That ain't Spider. He's a very good dude. Go back and read what he wrote in the most positive light possible.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
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I've got an idea (okay this is only meant as a joke). If you don't like the route names that are outside why don't you just go climb at the gym!
Don't give John too much sh#t. Although some of us may disagree with him he's been totally NOT a dick in this discussion.
Wally (who = lolli?) well that's another story.
Elcapin,
Tendon was 90% torn at the attachment point - got it operated on a few years back and now it's 100% solid. That said I've probably drilled less than 50 bolts since then. I've been doing a lot of diving with sharks (corrupting nature :) Thanks for asking.
FACT: kev sucks at spelling!
EDIT FACT 2: I find the post that locker passed FAR MORE disturbing than crass route names.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
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Channeling the inner Beavis.....You ever notice that crASS has some ass in it?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 20, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
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choosing not to be offended by something is easier than it sounds, and much easier than the alternative. Dont waste energy on things you cant change.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2014 - 09:11pm PT
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This all came about as someone recently dropped a poop-bomb of a name in the middle of one of my favorite crags.
So senseless.
It's like...
Someone took a crap on the ground and didn't bury it, right in front of a route.
Spray painted graffiti on the route.
Left trash, cig butts, KFC bones and wrappers, chewing gum, etc. at the base of the route.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2014 - 09:15pm PT
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And Furthermore...
Things WILL change for the better.
Looking back over history we humans have treated each other like crap.
But we freed the slaves.
Gave women the right to vote.
And some day in the future... all this sexist bull-pucky will end.
No more cat-calls.
No more crass comments (even to each other).
Just respect for others.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 09:19pm PT
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But we freed the slaves.
You didn't free sh!t.
You're still a slave ......
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
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Trying to be brief Werner.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 09:22pm PT
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Gave women the right to vote.
For the same loon criminals men vote for.
Oh boy .....
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 20, 2014 - 09:25pm PT
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More PC route names is like emancipation and women's suffrage?
I wonder how many african americans and women would agree with that assessment?
Just how ridiculous is this going to get, anyway?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:34pm PT
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in this country, at least, there is the first amendment right to free speech, and route names would be covered there, most likely.
certainly "crass sexism" wouldn't be grounds to limit speech, traditionally the issue has been "obscenity" and "pornography" which have been notoriously tricky to define and whose definitions have changed with time...
1896
"...to deprave or corrupt those whose minds are open to such immoral influences, and into whose hands a publication of this sort may fall."
1957
"whether to the average person, applying contemporary community standards, the dominant theme of the material, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest."
1964
"I know it when I see it".
1973
(a)...‘the average person, applying contemporary community standards’ would find the work, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,...(b)...the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law, and (c)...the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
2002
First Amendment freedoms are most in danger when the government seeks to control thought or to justify its laws for that impermissible end. The right to think is the beginning of freedom, and speech must be protected from the government because speech is the beginning of thought.
so is seems that this is not going in the direction that the OP recommends.
The OP appeals for "decency" ("behavior that conforms to accepted standards of morality or respectability")
You CAN think of something better.
Even if your mind is completely testosterone poisoned into the gutter. You can look about life and find other aesthetic, symbolic and inspiring words to use.
Our sons, daughters, wives, girlfriends, etc. deserve a better world.
in an activity that has a history of not conforming to "accepted standards" of anything... the plea to protect "our sons, daughters, wives, girlfriends..." is a common one, but what is it that we are protecting them from.
It could be turned around and become a "teachable moment" for our kids if the topic comes up, and I'd like to think our "wives and girlfriends" are a bit more sophisticated and worldly, at least enough to cope with route names...
Sibylle Hetchel's article on the first all women's ascent of El Capitan was submitted with the title "Walls without Balls" but that was rejected by the same appeal made in the OP, it was presumed that the membership of the AAC might be offended.
"Untitled. The American Alpine Journal," 19(1), 62 - 66, (1974)
Perhaps the editors of AAJ were correct in their assessment, it took Jeff Lowe to publish the article with the title Rocky Mountain Octopussy a little more than 20 years later... the "racey-ist" title in the intervening period...
Couldn't Jello have come up with a better name? Apparently, by then, the editors thought it was ok to use his title...
where do you want to go with this?
it sounds awfully strange coming from climbers.
Or maybe we're not the same anymore.
Perhaps you could sue a guidebook author, and the guidebook publisher for using offensive route names, appeal to the highest court and get the opinion of the Supremes...
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:07pm PT
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where do you want to go with this?
it sounds awfully strange coming from climbers.
Or maybe we're not the same anymore.
Perhaps you could sue a guidebook author, and the guidebook publisher for using offensive route names, appeal to the highest court and get the opinion of the Supremes…
perhaps you are just joking and I am completely missing the point, but I can't for the life of me figure out where you could have gotten this from the posts on this thread. All that I wanted to do was to say that I didn't care for some of the names used and wish that people would dial it back. And I'm willing to bet that the others on this thread who don't like this feel the same way.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:24pm PT
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Good god, it just stinks like pussy in here. Not in a good way.
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matisse
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 11:54pm PT
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what a massive temper tantrum when someone dares to suggest that maybe just maybe you dial it back a bit.
Not the raunchy stuff, the misogynist stuff. WHHAAAAAA.
death by paper cuts boys.
to quote the most excellent Phil Plait:
it’s just an ad.
It’s just a saying.
It’s just a TV show.
It’s just the Internet.
Yes, but you almost make as much as a man does.
It’s just a catcall.
It’s a compliment!
It’s just that boys will be boys.
It’s just that she’s a slut.
It’s just that your dress is too short.
It’s just that we want to know what you were wearing at the time, ma’am.
It’s just it’s just it’s just.
It’s just a death by a thousand cuts. No one cut does the deed. In the end, they all do.
you can read the original here:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/11/17/casual_sexism_when_a_shirt_is_more_than_a_shirt.html
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wallyvirginia
Trad climber
Stockholm, Sweden
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Nov 21, 2014 - 12:26am PT
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Thank you Matisse!
John M - Exactly.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 04:59am PT
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It's amazing how much self importance this thread is full of from a few individuals.
Do yourself a favor, do us a favor, get out of climbing.
It's entertaining at least. I set the bait for the OP, and he took it, hook, line, and sinker. So did someone else.
Welcome to the new age climber. The softer, gentler climber.
What a crock. These pretentious better than everyone else types are becoming the norm.
I started climbing over 20 years ago. I have never felt offended by route names or have I ever met a women who was either. Hell, we even named an area the PMS wall since the woman we were climbing with was on her period and had to go back to her car to get unmentionables. I say unmentionables so I won't offend anyone (gasp). I promise you the routes names were great. Let's see, The Rag, Put a Plug in it, and let's not forget the Axe Wound. There were several more.
I can just see Silly Savage and John M, the great caretakers of morality rewriting guide books with "intelligent" and "sensitive" names.
Here's a few: The Happy Hamster, Hug My Mommy, Skip To My Lou, I Need to Stop Sleeping With My Sister.
Go back to your gyms and hug each other there.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 21, 2014 - 05:59am PT
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I have never felt offended by route names or have I ever met a women who was either.
So your friends aren't refined or sensitive, maybe comedians?
Speaking of comedians, how bout naming a route "Wholesome Raper" for Cosby or a local pastor who got away from God.
We have bigger social problems than route naming.
To control or not to control?
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 06:04am PT
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Nope, were not the exactly a sensitive crowd. Area and route names usually come up spur of the moment. All's it takes is one comment from someone and the idea is born. Are all route and area names "insensitive", nope. Just depends on the moment.
My main objection to this thread is the pretentious attitude of a few delicate flowers.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 21, 2014 - 06:15am PT
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I'm a delicate flower
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Nov 21, 2014 - 06:20am PT
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Sure you are... ;-)
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 06:23am PT
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I'm a delicate flower
Not a question there. You're just not pretentious.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 21, 2014 - 06:24am PT
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Anita?
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 06:34am PT
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I just wet my pants...
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Nov 21, 2014 - 06:35am PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
And some day in the future... all this sexist bull-pucky will end.
No more cat-calls.
No more crass comments (even to each other).
Just respect for others.
I agree it will end, but us humans will be long gone.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 07:21am PT
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We have bigger social problems than route naming.
Ain't that the truth.
So your friends aren't refined or sensitive, maybe comedians?
Refined, sensitive? Well, we can be when need be. Some of the people I climb with are some of the smartest people you'll ever meet.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 07:30am PT
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A lot more snappers around these days.
S ensitive
N ew
A ge
P lastic
P ulling
E litist
R ockclimbers
Brilliant! Spot on!
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 07:41am PT
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Well Kevin, that's a thin line. All's it takes is a climber who just got tossed out the door by his girlfriend...
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 08:14am PT
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Ass plunger V14. That should be equally offensive to all, favors no one gender.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 21, 2014 - 08:19am PT
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Up for grabs: Poop Smear Graffiti From Liturature
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 09:02am PT
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Royal Arches
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Nov 21, 2014 - 09:03am PT
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SNAGS, SNAPPERS....
Lots of DOWUBACs too.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 09:08am PT
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Bearded clam cliff? Work around the skirt?
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Nov 21, 2014 - 09:24am PT
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Warbs- I chose those letters to allow for personalization!
I had originally thought
Drunk old washed up bitter as#@&%e climber.
I'm not offended at all by crass route names. Far more offended by some of the sh¡t I've read on this thread.
I guess I'd be bitter too if someone threw scalding hot bacon grease at my face and then tenderized it with a soccer cleat.
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Banks
Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 09:51am PT
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Open my eyes for me. What is an example of a route name that conveys Hatred towards women.
Life's A Bitch and Then You Marry One- Joshua Tree
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Nov 21, 2014 - 10:31am PT
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Just like in Jr. High.
Isn't that the point of the forum?
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matisse
climber
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Nov 21, 2014 - 10:32am PT
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Apparently. Some random guy on the internet wrote 'we can do better' and a few old farts go ape sh#t (about the route names they bestowed) calling all sorts of names in response. yep.
For me it is not about the route names it is the massive tt that accompanied the suggestion that it maybe just maybe could be improved.
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matisse
climber
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Nov 21, 2014 - 10:44am PT
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I have to admit though, I tolerate the show us your tits or whatever kind of names more than I would some route derogating race.
why?
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Nov 21, 2014 - 11:15am PT
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My opinion is mine.
And it's copyrighted!
"self actualized equally paid womyn with a realistic body image currently in a mutually respectful and nurturing relationship" would be a good route name
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 12:28pm PT
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I always thought "Just do me" was a good route name.
Edit:
Tom Burke and I named a route that on Queen Mountain. It was a 5.10, grainy, dummy dome crack that petered out at the end.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Nov 21, 2014 - 12:45pm PT
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I Don't need some limp wristed new age superior acting bastard instructing me in anything. Eff him. I'm not particularly sensitive so up yours too.
Have a nice day now.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 21, 2014 - 01:56pm PT
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The data indicates that one guy was offended by a new route name at his favorite crag. Ah well, life happens.
This doesn't really seem like much of a larger issue of any importance to many other people.
Bigger fish, I reckon.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 02:28pm PT
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I propose a new age rating system, the YDS, or Yosemite Degradation System.
Crass 1 thru Crass 6.
Brilliant!
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
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The "c" word must be Crass 6, no?
:-)
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 21, 2014 - 03:31pm PT
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Maybe the Prude Police should organize and reach out to creators of route names they deem offensive. The PG name could be used in print and for church outings and such.
Kinda like adding bolts to ballsy leads, they could negotiate for official sanitized secondary nomenclature with the approval of the FA.
+1
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Nov 21, 2014 - 03:57pm PT
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Kinda like adding bolts to ballsy leads, they could negotiate for official sanitized secondary nomenclature with the approval of the FA
There would have to be a wuss detection unit installed that would snap the hangers shut when a certain level of bad-assness was detected...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 21, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
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"Spider tends to come across to me as insulting to. Sort of Lofty superiority"
More weird. Can't see where that comes from.
"Some of these seem a bit offensive. But I personally don't give a damn. "
No vagina, eh?
Best Summaries (thusfar):
"All that I wanted to do was to say that I didn't care for some of the names used and wish that people would dial it back."
"Some random guy on the internet wrote 'we can do better' and a few old farts go ape sh#t (about the route names they bestowed) calling all sorts of names in response."
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skitch
climber
East of Heaven
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I'll make it up to all of you with my new crag, the Wiener wall:
Left to right:
Short Shriveled and Stinky (short and a lil dirty at the end) 5.10D 1 star
Two Handfuls 5.9 (really long, with lots to hold onto) 3 stars
Long Thin and Beautiful (you'll be begging to give this one a go!) 5.11- 5 stars
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious (AKA Mouthful) (you'll be panting when its all over) 5.10b/c 3 stars
Size Matters (better stretch for this one!) 5.9/11- (height dependent) 4 stars
Black Monster (not a good way to warm up) 5.10d 5 stars
Morning Towel Hanger (really great diving board like feature) 5.8 3 stars
Leans to the Left (Goes straight, but halfway it starts to jog left) 5.12- 5 stars
One Pound Hog (you may need your knee pads to make this a little bit more do-able) 5.11 3 stars
Duper Scooper (kinda dirty, but good way to end the day) 5.10a 2 stars
Harder than it Looks (looks like it will be a nice easy warm-up, but you better be have them muscles ready!) 5.12c 5 stars
Ass Ripper (serious stemming) 5.10+/11- 2 stars
Ski Poling (climb the duel tufas) 5.11C 5 stars
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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It's one thing to be 16 years old in a sport only pursued by a few weirdos,
and you and your buddies almost fall over laughing at the names you pick. And then you grow up, have kids and grand kids,
and these names show up in printed books and stories,
and somewhere along the line,
you have to explain to your 8 year old daughter the meaning of Anal Tongue Darts.
It's like a fat person rueing that bloated tattoo that looked so cool when they were young and skinny.
Only much worse.
But leaving those kinds of issues aside, I've had plenty of laughter and enjoyment reading crass route names,
and would find something lost from the sport and community if we had "Route 1, El Capitan West" "Route 3c, El Capitan East".
How to reconcile it all?
For starters, I'll teach my daughter to climb routes, not to skim through guidebooks or use online forums! ;)
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