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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Oct 29, 2014 - 08:33am PT
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An alternative? Have you tried masturbation?
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:02am PT
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Theres another forum out there too, its called r-e-a-l l-i-f-e, its hip, its breaking, its clutch, its the new retro social media for the ultra hip.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:03am PT
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Listen to the kids over at the kids table, hatching plans to take of the family dinner and declare Desert For All for the remainder of the evening.
How cute...
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:04am PT
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Facebook? :)
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:06am PT
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real life is definitely hip breaking.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:06am PT
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i'm not terribly optimistic about climbing forums. as best i can tell, the actual genre is in decline, and not only in climbing. virtually none of the good, younger climbers in my heavily-populated region even have an account on ST or any of the others, so far as i know.
blogging has gone much the same way-- the most durable have been those that serve as a platform for material that either attracts deep-pocket sponsors or serves (as htis forum does) as an advertising platform for its owner.
lot of working building and then managing a forum. the anonymity guarantees that the drama level alone is beyond what you get in typical work-site politics.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:10am PT
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It would be such a shame to lose Randisi's incredible work on the Paul Preuss thread.
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John M
climber
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:22am PT
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Having site management we can trust is.
how do you find this? I trust Chris well enough to not be that concerned as I don't think that there is anyone out there who could do it better. Could you? I would like to find a way to make more women comfortable.
I don't believe having a forum is that easy. And as Bruce said, it requires a critical mass to really get going and be sustained. We have seen heavily moderated forums. And we even had a spin off from this forum. It was a free for all and no longer exists.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:27am PT
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Having site management we can trust is.
 Honestly, at this point... The love is lost. I feel I've been betrayed...
and like those kids at the kids table... I feel telling those who run this site has the same effect as telling it to the universe...
Useless
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:36am PT
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It's going to be a long winter for some. The squirrels on here all have real bushy tails.
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John M
climber
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:38am PT
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and like those kids at the kids table.
the kids at the kids table some times have a good reason to be upset, but other times its just a limited perspective. The parents don't have an easy job.
The climbing world attracts a lot of strong willed people. It could get old very quickly trying to settle everyone's issues. Would you want to do it?
who here would volunteer to be a moderator? And how would you deal with the various situations that we have seen? Speak up if you think that you can do it better and tell us what you think could be done better and how you would accomplish that goal. Its nice to say we need this or that, but it becomes a lot trickier to figure out how to accomplish it. So speak up. What would you have done differently with this forum? Are there people you would not have banned? What do you do about some of their behaviors? What if they don't respect your decisions and willfully challenge you?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:40am PT
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would like to find a way to make more women comfortable.
I don't believe having a forum is that easy. And as Bruce said, it requires a critical mass to really get going and be sustained.
i can't imagine many things worse than having to serve as a moderator over ST or a similarly organized site. Brutal and thankless.
I think the basic disfunction comes from the forum and from a lot of the regular posters. Certainly the acceptance of a lot of really nasty misogynistic stuff-- and the abuse and ridicule heaped on the women posters who point it out --was part and parcel of the culture for our generations. it just gets reproduced here.
i do share the frustration of those posters, like jan and michelle, who continue to point out that a lot of really nasty behavior is tolerated on this forum, and the policing that does happen seems to follow along personal lines.
this is a privately owned site, it exists largely as a platform for supertopo products, and i can't imagine it's much more than a headache for cmac. and i have no expectation that anything on here is going to get archived (setting aside the question of how much here even deserves that kind of effort).
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:43am PT
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Wow, another martyr. Good luck with that.
Sometimes the kids at the table are just being petulant and need some adult guidence.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:48am PT
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Has anyone ever been banned for climbing content ?
The alternative would be a political or off topic forum.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 29, 2014 - 09:56am PT
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the kids at the kids table some times have a good reason to be upset,
And much like the analogy... nobody cares... it's not part of the grown up tables lexicon.. thus, has no consequence or bearing on anything at all.
Maybe the next batch of climbers could make this place a more perfect website..
The climbing world attracts a lot of strong willed people. It could get old very quickly trying to settle everyone's issues. Would you want to do it?
Oh, no.... lets change the subject to how really, really difficult things are at the grown-up table....
Either way, none of it of any consequence...
EDIT: And after all, it's mostly the posters that are the problem...
We need to get rid of the problem....
looking more and more like a community all the time
What would you have done differently with this forum? (I WOULD HAVE GIVEN A SH#T ABOUT THE CONTENT AND THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTED EDIT)
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Oct 29, 2014 - 10:07am PT
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Seriously, this thread? Taking ourselves a little to seriously are we? This is a climbing website, privately owned. Chris can put th boot to the ass of anyone he feels like, and for whatever reason he feels like. It's a free country, or it used to be.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 29, 2014 - 10:11am PT
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"Especially if they aren't grubbing after sheckels."
Ummm...you thought this site & Forum were some kind of volunteer public service, perhaps?
Well, that would certainly explain your dissatisfaction, then.
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John M
climber
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Oct 29, 2014 - 10:14am PT
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It's a free country, or it used to be.
And people are free to complain. right??? So I don't get why you would make this statement. Of course Chris can do what he wants. So can those who create the content on this forum. If they aren't happy, then what should they do?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Oct 29, 2014 - 10:16am PT
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Locker... +1
ST is the best, go hunt around if you wish- it is a free world after all.
just ask Squishy about the "VIRTUAL CAMPFIRE"....
I think some of the complainers need to go do FB... that way you can insulate yourself from mean and nasty people who disagree with you.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 29, 2014 - 10:17am PT
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New site, this site, another site... meh.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
This is a private site that apparently reads PM at random for... whatever reason they want to. I think that behavior sucks, and indicative of a larger issue regarding privacy rights in america. However, few people seem to share my concern. That's fine. In the end, other than the tenuous similarity to a larger privacy issue, to me this is a lot of drama for drama's sake.
Oh yeah, FWIW, RC.com is under new management (not a corporation, but a guy and his wife) and the forum is basically a blank slate.
Cheers.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 29, 2014 - 10:20am PT
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Seeing as I'm not paying to use this site, I don't feel like I have much grounds to complain.
I don't really use the PMs other than to hit on guys, so I don't have much to worry about if they are actually being intercepted.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 29, 2014 - 10:25am PT
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"I don't really use the PMs other than to hit on guys, "
Up until now, I really didn't care whether I received ST PM's or not. I've changed my mind.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Oct 29, 2014 - 10:30am PT
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What the fuk is the matter with you whiners???.
seriously? you think jan and michelle are whiners?
dude
i personally expect basically nothing out of ST and my life would carry on if the entire site spontaneously combusted taking all of our posts with it. I hardly ever post anymore. But I also understand and sympathize with Randy's frustration that there seems not to be an effective platform for folks able and willing to make the kind of contributions that Randy has made-- he's done a lot of public access work including translating a lot of stuff relevant to many of us-- if not to you--and done it for free. even if you don't want to read Preuss, you ought to at least recognize the gesture.
I understand that you are happy with an online forum that serves mainly as a place to bs and gossip with friends. nothing wrong with that. it's part of the attraction of the site for many of us.
but it'd also be great if there were a functional online platform for the kind of work that randy's tried to do here or over at susu.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 29, 2014 - 10:42am PT
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This is all, like, you know....white people and their problems
racist
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neversummer
climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
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Oct 29, 2014 - 11:12am PT
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rincon
Trad climber
Coarsegold
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Oct 29, 2014 - 11:23am PT
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Facebook? :)
As someone who has yet to get on the facebook bandwagon, I curiously clicked the ST facebook link, and guess who's there...LOL!
"Jeff Elfont SuperTopo SUCKS
October 27 at 2:33pm ·"
Then I followed the link to fatty's FB page, and all he and his "friends" are taliking about is supertopo, weird.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 29, 2014 - 11:34am PT
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archived for posterity
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Oct 29, 2014 - 11:46am PT
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That's pretty liberal use of the words "We" and "need" in the title.
"we" "need" to stop acting like Supertopo is our own personal break room and accept it's a climbing message board.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 29, 2014 - 12:00pm PT
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GD nails it....but I'm not holding my breath.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 29, 2014 - 12:09pm PT
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As someone who has yet to get on the facebook bandwagon, I curiously clicked the ST facebook link, and guess who's there...LOL!
"Jeff Elfont SuperTopo SUCKS
October 27 at 2:33pm ·"
Then I followed the link to fatty's FB page, and all he and his "friends" are taliking about is supertopo, weird.
lol
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Oct 29, 2014 - 12:17pm PT
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You may need an alternative. We in the happy chorus are just fine.
Climbing content:
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Oct 29, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
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Lol.. Ya fatty's always talking st on facebook and burch is over on mp talking about st...
Lol
Too funny
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Oct 29, 2014 - 12:25pm PT
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The search for a better forum mirrors the search for a better civilization.
How do we protective ourselves from ourselves?
And then how do we protect ourselves from our protections?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 29, 2014 - 12:39pm PT
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^^^^
Heh!
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 29, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
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... and Princess Leia too.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Oct 29, 2014 - 12:49pm PT
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For folks who don't listen to old people music:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Updating for supertopo:
Just slip out the back, Bldrjack
Make a new plan, JStan
No need to be coy Roy
Just climb the route free
Touch a real rock, Jock,
no need to discuss wolves,
Drop knee's the key, Pete
To climb the route free
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gunsmoke
Mountain climber
Clackamas, Oregon
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Oct 29, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
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Some years ago I was a high school administrator tasked with dealing with a group of kids who made some bad choices. On the day I received a call from an irate parent berating the school for the severity of the punishments, I was collared by a parent incensed at how the school wasn't taking a stand. Same data, different perspectives.
Regarding banned posters, there is no response that's the right response, nothing ST admin can do that at the end of the day will leave them thinking, "Dude, we called that one right!"
ST admin needs to maintain their purpose for the forum, as the alternative is undesirable. This is a climbers' site with a set of stated standards. If that doesn't work for someone, nothing making them stick around.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 29, 2014 - 01:17pm PT
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How come we haven't heard from Moundhouse, NV on this scintillating topic?
You'd think there'd be lots to be heard from there...
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The Call Of K2 Lou
Mountain climber
North Shore, BC
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Oct 29, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
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^^^^^+2 gunsmoke.
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steveA
Trad climber
Wolfeboro, NH
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Oct 29, 2014 - 01:21pm PT
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I like it the way it is.
I don't do Facebook, and this place has variety, with an occasional climbing related post. There are many gems here hidden among the junk, plus much historical content, if you want to search for it.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 29, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
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Jebus and Apogee, fuk off!
Now, now Moose, you only have to worry about Jebus cuz apogee hasn't posted any pics!
ST is fun. Steve is right, there is a variety of topics going on, even if some are tiresome. I can think of 1 forum where it's just a dozen or so people arguing politics non-stop, bickering, trolling, etc. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
At least stuff goes on here, people get together, climb together. For the most part, people are not anonymous cowards hiding and spending their time being as#@&%es. For the most part.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 29, 2014 - 02:03pm PT
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Although I prefer a relatively lower profile, my pics are out there, Anita...you just have to look harder for 'em. Of course, you might get some help from a pathetic jerkwad ST regular who stalks my personal stuff elsewhere on the interwebz, and posts it up here as some kind of 'public service'.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 29, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
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I'm a coward, just not an anonymous one.
The only problem I have with ST, other than the occasional pretend death threat, is the continual stalking by young hotties for my aeryoodite opining.
I'm tired of telling my GF "I swear I do not know these people, honey."
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 29, 2014 - 02:24pm PT
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Wow, not bad for a Polish, Moosescort!!
Man whoooore!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 29, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
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Facebook replace ST, I don't think so. I still love my campfire right here. :)
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 29, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
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Moose is always pimpin'
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 29, 2014 - 03:10pm PT
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It's so hard to be seen as just a huge kielbasa with a life support system attached.
Hopes? Dreams? Feelings?
They Just Don't Care.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 29, 2014 - 03:18pm PT
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Thank Jebus I'm vegetarian and cannot eat Polish sausage.
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SicMic
climber
across the street from Marshall
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Oct 29, 2014 - 04:19pm PT
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Hmmm.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Oct 29, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
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I'd hit that. so hot right now.
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
Technically...the spawning grounds of Yosemite
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Oct 29, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
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There must be 50 ways
to leave your forum
HA! Belly laugh!!!
I would think folks would be more up at arms over PRISM...but what do I know?
CMac asks politely: "Please help us keep the climber's forum a friendly and informative resource."
What have YOU done to help your forum today?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 29, 2014 - 08:01pm PT
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Please be specific.....why do we need an alternative to Supertopo AND what would this alternative look like? How would it function differently than what we have here. Again, please be specific. Is this a case of the "Meadow being greener on the other side of the fence."? lynne
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 30, 2014 - 07:18am PT
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How about ST just providing stats on traffic!
Hahahajahahaha :$)
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Oct 30, 2014 - 07:50am PT
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Blessed Dingus. Thou shalt not rot.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:05am PT
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Nice work Randisi. RJ re-instated Khanom today!
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:27am PT
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ST is such a beautiful mess!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:33am PT
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It's the nature of the beast. Any forum on the internet, regardlees the prescribed content, will disintigrate into mindless arguments about religion, politics and relationships and gatekeepers will be flushed down the drain.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:36am PT
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Hence no need to mess around with another forum...
This forum is only as good as we are...which is pretty damn splendid IMO so don't take Cmac and RJ's excellent adventure for granted when you are looking to homestead on Mars.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:43am PT
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Something I learned today: LEB has a Facebook page
No mistaking that writing style
she's either real or the most dedicated troll in history
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:45am PT
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yes but half the forum was convinced she was 5 or 6 different guys
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:47am PT
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And the other half are dolts.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 30, 2014 - 11:04am PT
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id·i·ot noun \ˈi-dē-ət\
: a very stupid or foolish person
1 usually offensive : a person affected with extreme mental retardation
2 a foolish or stupid person
dolt noun \ˈdōlt\
: a stupid person
seems legit
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Oct 30, 2014 - 11:11am PT
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It's the nature of the beast. Any forum on the internet, regardlees the prescribed content, will disintigrate into mindless arguments about religion, politics
Roger that!
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 30, 2014 - 11:16am PT
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Half the forum are idiots.
jebus hidiot Bonehead IS half the forum .......
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 30, 2014 - 11:41am PT
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Really, randisi......? I think I can battle my way through your very profound statements and get to the bottom line. Tho in some places the fog is pretty thick. :)
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Oct 30, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
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The world is full of alternatives to Supertopo. The world is first and foremost not Supertopo. Even to actively climb is not Supertopo. Supertopo is for dreamers. Supertopo is a dream and an exception you have to chose...
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Oct 30, 2014 - 02:52pm PT
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Q
Oct 29, 2014 - 09:02am PT
Theres another forum out there too, its called r-e-a-l l-i-f-e, its hip, its breaking, its clutch, its the new retro social media for the ultra hip.
Way too scary.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Oct 30, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:45am PT
yes but half the forum was convinced she was 5 or 6 different guys
Jebus H Bomz
climber
Old West
Oct 30, 2014 - 10:45am PT
Half the forum are idiots.]
There is a third category. Nearly everyone here is a misfit. Self included!
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 30, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
Technically...the spawning grounds of Yosemite
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:02pm PT
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dolt noun \ˈdōlt\
: a stupid person
Them's fightin' words!!!
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
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Supertopo is for climbers who are long past their "best before" date
There's gotta be some place for us castaways . . .
;>\
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:46pm PT
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Nicely said, jgill. :)
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