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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Sheesh, Richard Dawkins is exactly what the world needs today, Paul! The Humanities is a concept started in the early Renaissance and is really about "reviving" the "pagan" writings of pre-Christian Roman and Grecian authors as an alternative to the humanistic-stifling ideas of Christianity. The writings of the Romans Cicero and Virgil and Lucretius, who adopted positions expressed earlier by the likes of Plato and Aristotle and Epicurus, are the basis for the humanities. Personally, I think Aristotle is way overrated. If you read Epicurus and Lucretius, both of whom who lived over 2,000 years ago (but not together), they sound like well-informed, science-minded individuals today (say, Ed Hartouni-like). It took religion to stifle their ideas for centuries.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Fourth secularist blogger to have been killed this year by suspected Islamist militants in Bangladesh.
"He was the voice against fundamentalism and extremism and was even a voice for minority rights - especially women's rights and the rights of indigenous people"
Bangladesh blogger Niloy Neel - known for his atheist views - hacked to death in Dhaka.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33819032
Yep, much space remains for further civilizing.
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Norton
Social climber
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I pray that Jesus will start posting on this thread, so many questions she could answer.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Aug 20, 2015 - 03:50pm PT
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Astrologanomaly;
The rare occurance in which the practice of believing that dumb luck, fate, and the position of the stars denotes the mental capacity for humans to govern themselves and the requisite belief whereby the illusion myth that science and religion must be married to the unified theory of monumental ignorance towards logic combined with the suicidal compulsion to practice intolerance and hate towards others actually works (sarcasm).
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Norton
Social climber
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Aug 20, 2015 - 04:14pm PT
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Hi Mr. Norton -
Pops digs science, big time. He has fun making things. Some of them are pretty clever. You got lots of good puzzles to work out.
Religion - that's up to you guys. We got nothing to do with that.
Hope that helps!
-Jesus
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 20, 2015 - 05:38pm PT
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It’s like waves near the beach. Now and then, one of great emotion comes through. A guy like me might want to surf them.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 20, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
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"The idea that science undergoes a complete turnover is not true, of course: the formula for water, the fact of evolution, and the observation that DNA is a double helix are “truths” that, while provisional in a technical sense, are likely to remain true for the forseeable future. -Jerry Coyne
re: Elegance in Science and the New Yorker's Take...
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2015/08/20/elegance-in-science-and-the-new-yorkers-take-on-the-field/
"My worry is that the magazine, which wields enormous influence among intellectuals, is wedded to a covert form of postmodernism—one that sees scientific truths as always dubious and liable to revision, and sees the humanities as just as much a source of objective truth as is science, if no more so." -JC
William Newsome, the co-chair of President Obama’s recent BRAIN Initiative, defined elegance by its inverse: “Baroque.”
Right on, William!!
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 20, 2015 - 10:25pm PT
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HFCS: . . . the formula for water . . . ,
We have a formula for water? How cool. Man, do we need that!
William Newsome, the co-chair of President Obama’s recent BRAIN Initiative, defined elegance by its inverse: “Baroque.”
You cheer this because it adheres to the so-called law of simplicity guiding science. So tell me why THAT should be a universal law of the universe (as you know it)?
Simplicity, parsimony, Occam's razor, deductive logic makes things more tractable for human beings--so people can make more claims that they can get away with.
You’re like a roadie for, or a cult follower of, a rock and roll band. (You’d follow them anywhere.)
And, just why would you make the assumption that reality is something that is, at the end of the day, simple??? is there a logic that you've already discovered about reality that requires that it has certain particular attributes??
Where is your unbounded creative intellect? Where is your imagination? Where is your appreciation of the baroque.
Ever look into a kaleidoscope? Ever look closely at noise? Ever drop a hallucinogen and watch the after-hours snow on the TV? Was the pattern inherent, or did you see something real? How would you test your hypothesis scientifically?
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Aug 21, 2015 - 12:46pm PT
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It's unfortunate that Art tied itself, in part out of a sense of inferiority, to the reductive approach in science. From the Bauhaus to our house reductive abstraction in architecture and design in general is the norm. Problem is it lacks real charm. Modernist, Post Modernist, Neo modernist design is charming only in its "newness," It ages poorly. Whereas those forms originating in antiquity tend to age with grace and beauty. Efficiency and simplicity might enrich us momentarily but fail in the long run. I see a parallel here...
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 21, 2015 - 01:35pm PT
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house reductive abstraction in architecture
Efficiency and simplicity might enrich us momentarily but fail in the long run.
One wonders where one learns such stuff. And how one's prone to learn it, fall for it, etc.. Pure gobbledy gobbledy gook, imo. I'm just super glad I managed to avoid it in my formative years or whenever.
-Just a mere design engineer at base here who's been into art and Art and creative works all his life is all.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Aug 21, 2015 - 01:41pm PT
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One wonders where one learns such stuff. And how one's prone to learn it, fall for it, etc.. Pure gobbledegook, imo. I'm just super glad I managed to avoid it in my formative years or whenever.
A statement of disbelief is no argument, the 'gobbledegook" is, unfortunately, yours. I appreciate you "super gladness" but please state why you would disagree.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 21, 2015 - 01:45pm PT
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It's nonsense. It's gobbledygook.
It's not an argument. It is a conclusion.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Aug 21, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
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Okay, then from what do you draw your conclusion? Seems your conclusion lacks any merit as you cannot or will not defend it.
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