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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 30, 2015 - 05:55pm PT
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There was an article in today's paper about science and the Catholic Church. It would appear that a more mystical approach to Christianity - the Catholic Church - is perhaps conducive to scientific exploration: discovering the intricacies of God's creations. Certainly the Protestant approach is anything but mystical, and many fundamentalists (including some academic researchers) eschew science in favor of the inerrant accuracy of the Bible. Issues like contraceptives and abortion can be seen to be more along the lines of morality and ethical behavior. Or not.
Catholic Church and Science
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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May 30, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
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The is a higher power (powers), this is what you do as a human to earn it's favors, and in the process figure out how to live a productive satisfying life and get along with other humans
I remember picking all that up, somewhere between kindergarten and second grade.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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May 30, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
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^^^if you are so smart then explain what is "good" and what is "bad", define it!
If I got discipline what I had done was "bad."
If I got rewarded it was "good."
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 30, 2015 - 07:12pm PT
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I remember picking all that up, somewhere between kindergarten and second grade
Thread spiraling down, down, down to no-thing. Actually, not nearly as interesting as no-thing. Sunday school.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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May 30, 2015 - 07:33pm PT
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No mama we will not allow the memo liaison of a good and hard worked thoughtful thread by one as you you lowly troll while I enjoy boffing with you, these threads have some parameters.
Return your gile to its holster or prepare for what you have wrought, the scum of us he have your number do not make us call it
Play nice or locker and Relax,Guy will set you on fire and the rest of this sausage fest will piss on you while you burn.
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Norton
Social climber
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May 30, 2015 - 07:41pm PT
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and Adolf Hitler was raised as a Catholic
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 30, 2015 - 08:34pm PT
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and Adolf Hitler was raised as a Catholic
I'm missing the connection with science? Or are you just bashing the religion?
I think if this continues this thread will be abandoned by those who have something substantive to say about science vs religion.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 30, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
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Thanks Norton,
To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...
Hitlers example should be manifested upon every Christians pulpit. It precisely expels THE fundamental root bywhich so-called Christians are not followers of Christ!
IF God wanted to fight for truth and justice, it would have been OVER long, long ago.
God used a "choosen people", the Jews, to set forth an example with Laws, that "Might with Right" is WRONG. This is the summation of The Old Testament.
The New Testament has The Son of God righting Might on the back of a donkey. He asks of His followers to stand and be cheated. And in front of the eyes of Judges, to turn the other cheek.
Justice and Rightousness are found in His blood..
If only the Catholics who's church is supposedly built on the rock of Peter came to this realization, they might stop denying Him, over, and over, and over.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 30, 2015 - 09:28pm PT
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Well if i were catholic, and you were in my house i'd take you over my knee and spank your bottom for that potty mouth! And what lesson would YOU learn?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 30, 2015 - 09:46pm PT
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Too bad parents can't even discipline kids anymore in this day and age.
No, it's too bad parents think "discipline" is an action that comes AFTER the fact of a child's behavior. I learned more about self discipline rowing a boat in college then I did protecting America in the Navy..
Maybe you should try hearing a posters response, instead of jus reading it?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 30, 2015 - 09:52pm PT
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Have fun!
Well it is, rather than reading cut-n-pastes that have shown up here 20 times before
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 30, 2015 - 09:58pm PT
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because that's the wittiest response you can come up with.
i haven't even started to be witty ; ) but if you must know, jus like i can spank you, someone can spank me, and i truly believe someone can spank them. You add it up.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 30, 2015 - 10:10pm PT
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Why not? Is it against your laws?
Look around, I already did!
So sue me.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 30, 2015 - 10:21pm PT
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So I shall practice what I preach and turn the other cheek...
Now that was a good one ; D
The rest : (
I knew if I kept hammering/spanking you'd come up with something pertinent.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 30, 2015 - 11:01pm PT
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all right then. Moose. Here's some cut/paste for ur scientific mind to drool over.
Please go watch KCET. org and their series on climate change deniers. KCET is known for their insightful unbiased opportunity for learning. They are using a Play starring Mike Farrell(of the M.a.s.h. fame) to portray Dr. Keelings Curve of who's causing/allowing the climate to change. There are many verifiable facts(at least for how long we've been keeping track) used throughout this portrayal.
I would love to hear a scientist view from here of the surmise of this programs view its pointing at.
This is something real and alive in our environment today. Anyone alive and awake should find this pertinent!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 30, 2015 - 11:55pm PT
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I am not trying to convert you to anything.
Really? What is conver-sation then?
I'm sincerely glad ur not upset : ) my aim is merely pointed at thinking.
If QM hasn't a justification to time, how can we tell light takes 8min to travel from the sun?
By a measurement of space?
Maybe it did take the first proton 8min to hit earth, but what about the 2nd or 3rd trillion?
There is a flaw waiting to be revealed.
Check out how pixels work in ur tv..
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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May 31, 2015 - 01:15am PT
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Here's some science of religion - where you'd least expect it.
One of the things about contemporary American culture that has puzzled me the most since my return to the motherland is the number of extreme diets being followed with absolute zeal. Thus I was very interested in the explanation that it is a form of displaced religion.
This line of reasoning says that since it is no longer acceptable to distinguish oneself through race, ethnicity, or religion, the latest attempt at exclusiveness and "truth" is to limit one's diet in the name of health.
Just as restrictive diets of the past, made for exclusive groups - Jews and Kosher and high caste Hindus and their restrictions, now we have vegan, paleo, and gluten free distinctions pursued with equal zeal for concepts of persona purity.
It seems certain themes appear over and over in history and becoming secular is likely to just bring new forms of them, rather than eliminate them with rationalism.
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/03/diet_fads_are_destroying_us_paleo_gluten_free_and_the_lies_we_tell_ourselves_partner/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA (stuck in Jersey)
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May 31, 2015 - 11:51am PT
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Also, I believe that organized religion was invented to manipulate people and has nothing to do with god(s).
I'm assuming you're a scientist? Well, if so, that appears to be as unsupported a statement as it comes. You "believe"?...based on what "repeatable, observable experimentation in the present, which includes physics, chemistry, experimental biology and geology, etc." are you basing that statement on? You obviously are shooting from the hip, for the Bible is a love letter to you, that cries out concern for your spiritual welfare. Now, compare your statement with mine, manipulation vs. the willing, sacrificial giving of oneself, for the benefit of another, with no thought of return (Love)...bro, you're lost, and that isn't being derogatory, it's the Truth.
But then again, we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which no one of this world knew: for if you knew God's wisdom , you would not be crucifying the Lord. You see, we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But since you know not the things of the Spirit of God: they are foolishness unto you: neither can you know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA (stuck in Jersey)
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May 31, 2015 - 11:58am PT
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they are foolishness unto you
Are they not?
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