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High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 11, 2018 - 06:50pm PT
Vancouver!



https://youtu.be/t2LVjlV-cq4

Armin Navabi, way to go. In my book, you are another public service champion!

PS

Thanks for reminding us Vancouver is so very cool and enlightened, too.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlyuSwRSVHU

Success. Awesome.

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Ann Druyan, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Brannon Braga... Cosmos III
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E68FbI4Tz2I

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Vavilov

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What if...



#womensart
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 16, 2018 - 09:15am PT
Under the couple's recent blog entries, comments poured in from fellow-travellers and others simply inspired by the pair's dedication to studying humanity, and their conviction that, while "badness exists… by and large, humans are kind. Self-interested sometimes, myopic sometimes, but kind. Generous and wonderful and kind. No greater revelation has come from our journey than this."



Simply Cycling...
http://www.simplycycling.org/

So many opposing povs in today's world...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/were-the-american-cyclists-killed-in-tajikistan-naive-for-traveling-there/2018/08/14/f8212ca8-9b36-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html?utm_term=.caaa8e54ad06

Millennial Couple Bikes Near ISIS Territory to Prove ‘Humans Are Kind’ and Gets Killed

https://www.pluralist.com/posts/1824-millennial-couple-bikes-near-isis-territory-to-prove-humans-are-kind-and-gets-killed

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/07/world/asia/islamic-state-tajikistan-bike-attack.html

"Asked why they had quit their office jobs and set off on a biking journey around the world, the young American couple offered a simple explanation: They had grown tired of the meetings and teleconferences, of the time sheets and password changes."

https://www.instagram.com/p/Blp3HPLhyPa/?taken-by=simplycycling

"So many self-righteous comments along the lines of ‘Well, they should have been more careful about their choice of vacation destinations.’

People have different levels of risk tolerance, okay? This adventurous young couple took a gamble and, sadly, lost. Bad things happen sometimes.

As a woman, I’ve travelled in Europe, S. America, Asia and Egypt. Alone. Yes, I knew there was some element of risk. I’ve been followed by strange men at night. I was robbed at gunpoint in my hotel. I’ve fallen very ill and had to rely on strangers to take care of me. But when I finally do leave this life, I’ll go out with the satisfaction of knowing that I’ve seen much more of this fascinating planet than I would have if I had played it safe.

Blessed be the risk-takers."
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 23, 2018 - 03:20pm PT
re: the death positive movement

Megan Rosenbloom on death positivity,
Mindscape podcast, with Sean Carroll
20 August 2018



We're going to die. Let's accept it. Let's not feel squeamish about it, let's talk about it. And let's try to make it as meaningful as possible.

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2018/08/20/episode-10-megan-rosenbloom-on-the-death-positive-movement/

"In the United States especially, there is a tendency to not face up to the reality of death, and to assume that our goal should be to struggle at all costs to squeeze every last minute out of life."

So I visited Paris many times in my 20s and 30s. One of my biggest regrets is that I never got around to visiting the catacombs.

Order of the Good Death
http://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/

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re: the living room

Think about it. With the advent of the funeral home (funeral parlor) 19th century, the parlor in the home became the "living room" (because this room was no longer for the dead, because now it was for the living).
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Aug 23, 2018 - 06:06pm PT
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/opinion/i-stood-up-in-mass-and-confronted-my-priest-you-should-too.html
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Aug 24, 2018 - 11:19am PT


MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Aug 27, 2018 - 08:02pm PT
HFCS,

You should like this I would think. A review of two books on how higher education has missed fulfilling its objectives to support democracy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/books/review/splintering-william-egginton-coddling-greg-lukianoff-jonathan-haidt.html?
jogill

climber
Colorado
Aug 28, 2018 - 04:08pm PT
"Changeless, unborn phenomenon are not victim of this charge for obvious reasons."

This characterization speaks strongly of the religious convictions of Zen Buddhism.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 28, 2018 - 07:49pm PT
Given this week's news, this one here is certainly worth watching again...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=jIjMqG8-H8c

Classic.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 29, 2018 - 11:27am PT
Worthy of review...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCdJgqDhbS4

Exemplified here: one of the factors in the equation, imo, that led to a Trump victory.




(Alright, I'm done.)
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 30, 2018 - 05:54pm PT
China Is Treating Islam Like a Mental Illness...
28 Aug 2018

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/china-pathologizing-uighur-muslims-mental-illness/568525/

The Chinese government has declared Islam a contagious “ideological illness,” and it's quarantined one million Muslim Uighurs in reeducation or internment camps.

Religion is NOT a mental illness, and state-enforced atheism is a gross human rights violation.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Aug 30, 2018 - 06:22pm PT
Religion is NOT a mental illness

depends on the religion
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Aug 30, 2018 - 08:37pm PT
I think it was Freud who said that neurosis is individual religiosity, whereas religion is a universal neurosis.

Freud was also the guy who said that the repressed content that gives rise to neurosis is incestuous sexual desires (oedipal complex). According to him, everyone is broken.

I’d ask you about yourself, but those levels of meaning are purportedly buried in the unconsciousness.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Aug 30, 2018 - 09:39pm PT
We watched Three Billboards . . . last week on HBO. A fine movie.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2018 - 09:45pm PT
Superstition is NOT a mental illness
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 31, 2018 - 04:19pm PT
depends on the religion...

Fair enough.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 1, 2018 - 03:51pm PT
Superstition is NOT a mental illness

how about delusion?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 1, 2018 - 07:20pm PT
The world we live in...

A) Trump Cruz

Trump: "I will be doing a major rally for Senator Ted Cruz in October. I’m picking the biggest stadium in Texas we can find. As you know, Ted has my complete and total Endorsement.

Cruz: https://youtu.be/Bz44wKKQJh0?t=1m39s

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B) Harris Peterson Weinstein



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1oaSt60b0o


Signs and wonders.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 2, 2018 - 10:18am PT
Here's a taste, part II...

https://youtu.be/m0-oC_49fq4?t=1h13m1s
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Sep 2, 2018 - 10:44am PT
When speaking of "mental illness" you wade quickly into a swamp.

Most all illness has a traceable pathogen, unless it is psychosomatic.

Since maladies of the mental kind have no pathogen we have no handle on them what so ever. Some people pretend to be doctors who treat these things, which is bold, because they have no idea of the cause, or the cure, but they can cause effects on patients by drugging them, shocking them, and cutting away at their brains. Also poking wires into the brain for little zaps.

Some talk therapy seems to provide relief in the hands of competent practictions but that is counselling more than doctoring.


A superstion is a consideration that something exists in answer to a problem or phenomena. It may seem to work in the universe of the person who created the superstition. I can often be sold to others who adopt it.

Delusion is when one's own reality goes out of sync with others and everyone starts disagreing. Drugs are great for making delusions occur on a temporary basis. Thus people start beliving in the brain chemisty theory.

Religion provides solutions to things that Science cannot answer easily. Some "sciences" are totally built on belief rather than measured observation and are actually a "religion" in that case.


Some day science (measured observation) and religion (explaination for life) will meet, objectively on the same plane. It will be a good day.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Sep 2, 2018 - 12:49pm PT
Most all illness has a traceable pathogen, unless it is psychosomatic.

Hmmm, what means "psychosomatic" if all brain activity is simply the stuff of material flesh then all neuroses must by a function of fleshly pathology, don't you think? Or is there something beyond the flesh and are thoughts somewhat independent of their source?
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