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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 20, 2014 - 05:19pm PT
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How??
Thanks.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Oct 20, 2014 - 05:25pm PT
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Mocanaqua (Shickshinny) for ever!
thank you for everything you are a class act sorry to read that your throwing in the towel
Comments:
Why did the name change? when?
the old name?
the Bob D'Antonio?
I may never climb here again but when I can't count on the names
It makes me sound wrong when I'm not
I saw Ski Mini Changed to the Peterskill area
and Ice caves mnt to Sams point both before the climbing was documented
true history is rare and good the old names should /could have been kept
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Oct 20, 2014 - 05:26pm PT
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Just tell them that you're actually Burchey.
Sorry to see ya go Sir, and good luck to ya.
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ruppell
climber
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Oct 20, 2014 - 05:29pm PT
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Asking about moderation a lot seems to be one way. Porn always gets you the axe. Calling Cmac a bunch of cuss words has worked in the past. Other than that a polite email about removing your username would be the way to go.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 20, 2014 - 05:31pm PT
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Bummer to lose you, Bob...but I completely understand.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 20, 2014 - 05:34pm PT
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hey there say, bob... oh my... i always loved your bird shares, could you not just visit, etc... :(
however it goes... the 'quilt' will miss your spot... :(
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Oct 20, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
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Why?
Seems like there is a lot of butthurt around here lately.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 20, 2014 - 05:47pm PT
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I would like some one to explain to me, perhaps you can Bob, why people leave ST? Please be specific and simply list what has driven you away. And not just you, Bob, why others have left and are thinking about leaving. I'm curious.
I arrived around the campfire nearly 7 years ago. This place was a huge awakening for me ..... in many ways. But for me the people I have met, all I have learned has far outweighed the negative crap. Actually, I've developed a pretty good filter.
So why? If this white, middle aged, used to be conservative, never heard a curse word female learned to love the taco, what up? Actually, I find the campfire a bit boring now. No Blitzo, rarely hear from Russ, Craig Frye left town, Cosmic, Roxjok, Mr. Blue Plug has even tamed down. Chezzzz. lynnie
Edit: It was totally because of the Taco I got to ice climb and house sit in Ouray, CO this past year. Not only did I learn to ice climb but Angela and Jim Donini along with Ralph Tingley taught me.
I could go on and on about all the Taco Folk that have taught me so much.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Oct 20, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
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Yeah, this place is fun.
Keep your sensitive parts away from the ringer.
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John M
climber
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Oct 20, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
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The magic comes and goes, but I'm with Lynnie.. why delete your account. I've always liked your posts Bob. I hope that you stick around.
And I'm with Lynnie.. this place has gotten boring. 90 percent pissing matches and 10 percent awesome. I guess thats better then the world's 97 percent pissing matches. Whats happened to peoples good humor. Now its people laughing at each other, rather then with.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
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Not butt hurt at all, just it has run it's course for me and would like to delete my account. Best wishes to all the folks I have met here.
I tried the email to Cmac and it didn't work.
Please Cmac if you read this please delete my account and content.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:00pm PT
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Well you did the first step of announcing you are leavin . Now you have a few options, the Gilchrist method, The Burch Method, or the Rox Method. I prefer the Rox Method, cause I think, this guy can't be serious, wait I think he is, oh wait he's just trolling, oh wait he is serious about voodoo curses on Nature's male member .
In all seriousness Bob, so many people would lose out on your great bird pics, so why not stick to that thread and stay away from whatever is making you want to leave?
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:09pm PT
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Making a big deal out of leaving and deleting = butthurt. The honorable method is to simply never post again and be forgotten.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:11pm PT
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I'm so sorry to hear this. I hope you will reconsider.
Phyl
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
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Likewise.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
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"The honorable method is to simply never post again and be forgotten."
Or maybe he just doesn't want to leave his content here. It's his stuff...it's his right.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
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Easy...Just stop posting and never visit this site again.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
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Say what?
we consider ourselves to be part of civil society, and much of how we conduct our lives is governed through purely verbal contracts, just as we are typically first censured for wrongdoings through verbal attacks, rather than to be whipped or tortured on the rack for it. i'd like to think we've long gone beyond the primitive and somewhat barbaric stage of physically torturing others in order to make them fear and respect our power, and as we emphasise our shift to the verbal, there must be a decline in the act of physical torture.
Total messages posted: 2,110,258 I wonder if this includes deletes?
You could die?
Pancho was a bandit boys
His horse was fast as polished steel
Wore his gun outside his pants
For all the honest world to feel
Pancho met his match you know
On the deserts down in Mexico
Nobody heard his dying words
That's the way it goes
Present your too hip card? Lost yours, I'll lend you mine.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
Not butt hurt at all, just it has run it's course for me and would like to delete my account. Best wishes to all the folks I have met here.
I tried the email to Cmac and it didn't work.
Please Cmac if you read this please delete my account and content.
 Bob... you have been one of the people I have found to be most humane on this forum...
DON'T GO, BUT IF YOU MUST GO, PLEASE LEAVE THE F*#KING CONTENT! ITS THE WORST OF ALL CHILDISH MOVES TO REMOVE IT, IMO!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
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Let's avoid confusion, "Jolly Roger". You don't take into account all the butthurt righties who've played hard until challenged and then folded like a cheap suit.
Like who?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:39pm PT
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Like who?
Who's askin?
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
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You have shared plenty of goods here, worth it for the future to just not log in again?
You don't seem like that kind of guy?
Deleting posts/ history is a bitch move be it one or a million.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:48pm PT
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Stick to the bird thread Bob, forget the other ones.
You've added so much to that and I can feel your passion comes through there. All us birders would really miss ya....
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:50pm PT
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Why the suicide note, if you want to go just go. There's a ton of message boards out there I've left in the last 15 years, just move on. Quit with the drama.
"I'm leaving, and I want to take my toyz with me!!!"
Freaking baby boomers...
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Oct 20, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
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Stick to the bird thread Bob, forget the other ones.
You've added so much to that and I can feel your passion comes through there. All us birders would really miss ya....
+1
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 20, 2014 - 07:02pm PT
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It will be a cold day in hades when this Baby Boomer leaves whining G Davis. Miss yo Dude. Glad I accidentally hit your number and got to talk.
Maybe Bob can let us know if he will leave his bird threads for all his admirers here. That would be awesome! No need to delete Threads, especially ones as great as Bob's. Thanks, Lynne
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
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Wow....pretty easy request. There is nothing to let you delete it yourself. Nothing to do with left or right. Just a simple request to delete my account.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Oct 20, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
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....pretty easy request. There is nothing to let you delete it yourself. Nothing to do with left or right. Just a simple request to delete my account.
Why should there be that option? Like a lot of the internet, stuff is there after you post it. If you can get ahold of an admin, there might be a possibility of deleting everything... but it DOES involve someone's time (and someone else's $) to do this. I'm amazed by some expectations ST users have of a free service!
If you want off ST, just don't post anymore and save the drama of telling everyone about it.
edit - Bob D'A, I am sorry that you feel like leaving. I appreciate your presence here, and think that posts should stay on the Taco, no matter what happens afterwards.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Oct 20, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
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Post a bunch of porn.
Crap.. I hope I don't get deleted for saying that.
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couchmaster
climber
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Oct 20, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
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Why do you want to delete your ST account Bob?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 20, 2014 - 07:26pm PT
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Before Bob leaves I just want to thank him for the several years he put in on this forum keeping a memory thread of all the "fallen" including peak climbers, rock climbers and many more.
It involved a lot of work and I will never forget that Thread, Bob.
Thank You so very much! lynne
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Oct 20, 2014 - 07:34pm PT
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Wow....pretty easy request. There is nothing to let you delete it yourself. Nothing to do with left or right. Just a simple request to delete my account.
Just a simple front-page notice to everyone that you are leaving, none of which have any control in deleting you.
Bob is a bad ass, a true legend climber. I loved many of his threads. I think this is a sign of low T. Love ya bud, get yer levels check'd.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Oct 20, 2014 - 07:36pm PT
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Sorry to hear you may be leaving.
It looks like lately you have posted mostly on the birds and climate threads, so I'm hazarding a guess that one factor may be negativity due to the belligerent ignorance of the deniers.
If so, maybe there's a way you can just block that thread from your browser?
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ruppell
climber
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Oct 20, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
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Bob D'A
I made a similar request a while back and nothing came of it. Other than a few good laughs. I'm still here though. Rethink it would be my best advise. Enjoy the laughs:
how-the-f-k-do-you-delete-all-youre-posts-MODS
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Oct 20, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
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Didn't that dr F guy get his account deleted?
There is your path.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 20, 2014 - 07:48pm PT
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Is your restaraunt still serving up the best pizza in the four corners area Bob?
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Oct 20, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
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I'm a moderator on another board, some years back I had a user ask me to ban him. He wasn't a problem poster, I wouldn't have had any reason to, but he really wanted to be out, sort of a "stop me before I post again" kind of thing. Seeing as how I'm okay with assisted suicide, and the user offered me a six pack of any kind of beer I wanted, I went ahead and obliged, though I was sad to see him go. I didn't delete content though.
Well, the rat bastard still owes me a six pack. I'll show him, maybe I'll go unban that avatar tonight.
Anyway, Bob, I think you should just take a sabbatical. Step away, take some time off, see if you miss it. See if you feel happier with yourself without this place. Maybe come back and bring something wonderful, maybe just really stay gone, but the only people you'll punish by removing your posts are the folks here who really like you.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Oct 20, 2014 - 08:06pm PT
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0h this place does ebb and flow. Much ebbing of late. Too much butt hurt gets boring.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Oct 20, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
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Bob, thanks for selling me those cams. That was an honest deal and I use them often. Hate to see you go and all the material you had contributed in the past, but it is a lot of work and not a lot of good climbing material seems to be hear anymore. Easy to see why you would pack up. the thing that sucks if you have posted pictures and materials that you value and you don't have recorded or have lost through computer changes and data crashes and such it may be gone for good.
I look at ST this way: I get used to post climbing material and I use them to be sort of a huge picture album for me. I hope others value what I put out there, but I am not too worried if they don't. It seems that even the most die hard out there have started to find out that you can't be climbing 24/7 as all the stories get told and there is nothing left other than to bicker about our differences.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Oct 20, 2014 - 09:36pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 20, 2014 - 09:52pm PT
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Cute quote from old RokkyJockey today on the Evil One's FB page:
"St is dying of boredom and dumb ass posts, all kumbya and bullshit on how attractive clouds are..."
You hearing that, Blitzo?
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Oct 20, 2014 - 10:13pm PT
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Looks like he got part of his wish...
"Bob D'A: this members account has been deactivated"...
Don't believe locker :-)
As of 2 minutes ago:
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 20, 2014 - 10:28pm PT
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lynne - put your thoughts where they cannot be deleted...
I learned the lesson the hard way...
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Oct 20, 2014 - 10:43pm PT
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How??
Thanks.
Don't do it. We need you here to balance out the fukwits.
Curt
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 20, 2014 - 10:52pm PT
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Jingy, I don't have that kind of tyme or technology. Besides, sometimes even my own brain deletes my thoughts. :) Just hope something sticks to the wall here. If not, perhaps it wasn't that great a post.
So Jingy, if you have any tyme (I like this spelling)email me and catch me up on wat up wit yo. Love to hear from you. lynnie
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 21, 2014 - 08:24am PT
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Bob, don't leave.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Oct 21, 2014 - 09:03am PT
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Take 'er easy Bob, I know you will. Might be out Penitente way this summer, maybe I can bribe you into a tour.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 21, 2014 - 09:06am PT
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(Please know that this is all well intended drivel. If there any objections while reading this drivel (I often wonder why anyone would read this drivel at all) just take a step away from the situation so you can see a little bigger picture... so that reactions are not all you succumb to)
catch me up on wat up wit yo.
as much as this sounds like a great invitation for some story telling and heartfelt discussion about life's ups and downs... unfortunately there is no life to discuss... therefore I will not be emailing you to reconnect.
Lynne, I'm not the Jingy you met all those years ago... my mind and body have changed... it is all out of my control. Please do not be alarmed.
I have lived a life of what I was calling connection....
I believe, now, that there is no connection... at least none tied to me... no matter how wrong that sounds...
Blindness in old age cannot be willed away.
Blindness in old age cannot be bootstrapped to 20/20.
You cannot hunker down and rebuild from blindness.
How is my condition different? And how much do we really want to hear about the ups and downs of the blind "yeah, we know, you can't see... Heard that... you got anything new?"
What if I have nothing new to tell?
What if you could look back at the pages and posts on this website and have a full record of my "Life" and how its going...?
What if the words you posted to this forum were your only avenue for expression in any meaningful way for you? What kind of connection would you feel to the community if, on the whim of another human being, your only means of expression... or.. that which you have expressed was taken away? Removed?
What if... when you look back at your life you see example after example of life treating you in this same unquestioning indifference to your concerns... maybe unfair... as if your words don't mean a thing... as if your feelings don't mean a thing.
I have to accept this as reality. My words mean nothing. My thoughts mean nothing. They never have. They have always been under an illusion of a future and an importance when there wasn't any to begin with...
In my case... I know I am right.
On a side note, I just thought of a good reason to not post anything thoughtful to this website at all. Nothing I post on the site matters. Your/My words mean nothing and they can/will be removed. Don't ever think it's going to be different. Don't ever think that you can change any of these things.
This site is no site of record.
Edit - The more I think about it, the more everything points to my illusion that what I write/think/say is of any importance at all. Knowing is the key to the battle... Don't think for a moment that your words have any meaning to anyone other than the emptiness within and you will get along just fine in this life.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 21, 2014 - 09:20am PT
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Self indulgent clap trap
Yes... that is what my life has always been.
hahaha
(I know you didn't mean me... but that explains a little portion of my life to a 'T')
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 21, 2014 - 09:22am PT
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Thanks for the heartfelt post Jingy. You are right in how disconnected we are at times, and how insulated we are in our own little world, our own little minds. We're not as important as we think, in the big picture.
I'm sorry to hear about physical impairments of any kind. They are arriving for me, and have been creeping in the side door for a while. They are coming for us all.
But that doesn't mean that I quit reaching for the golden yummies every chance I get. What choice do I have?
If this site is important to you, (it is to me.) then keep speaking your mind and your heart. Sometimes they get through, as your post just did for me.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 21, 2014 - 09:28am PT
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Sometimes they get through, as your post just did for me.
It's too late for me. I strongly feel that this never, ever happens.
The evidence is in the fact that my words have been erased at the hands of another.
It is me who is making the connection between the futility of thinking of one's own greatness... and then mine too is the part where I think others give a sh#t shat I have to say... fact is... it never has meant a thing.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Oct 21, 2014 - 09:30am PT
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You will be back; why delete?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 21, 2014 - 09:41am PT
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Jingy, that's some kind of dark stuff. What is this about blindness? I mean, my eyes suck compared to just a few years ago, but I'm certainly not blind.
Are you speaking metaphorically, or about a bonafide condition?
Edit:
Jingy, I sent you a PM through the supertopo email link. Please check on whether you got it, ok?
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couchmaster
climber
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Oct 21, 2014 - 10:01am PT
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Jingy, "the mass of men live lives of quiet desperation" (Thoreau). Welcome to reality. Soon, "we too will be dead in quiet anonymity and our best words too will be dust" (me).
Bob, why do you want to delete your Supertopo account?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 21, 2014 - 10:16am PT
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Do we really mean that something means 'something' when we tell others of meaning? And what exactly do we mean when we say these things?
Really?
The way I see it..?
If people claim that children are important to the future of humanity.... Then we would have the results to prove it.
If people claim that people are important to the future of humanity....
Then we would have the results to prove it.
If people claim that America is the best...
Then we would have the results to prove it.
How would this apply to ST?
A great woman (Nita) once pointed me in the direction of this team of reporters... it turned out to be an interesting hour of life, for me... as a result.. I return to the sight weekly to heart what they have to say.
http://www.radiolab.org/story/dust-planet/
Whenever any human makes a claim, I always look for those results to see if the claim actually means anything at all.
Survival -
Jingy, that's some kind of dark stuff.
just a clear distanced view of my life... Stepping back, putting it in a box so as to better examine its details has lead me to these statements... along with my life's experiences.. which have been few, and therefore could not possibly be the best perspective with which to view things... but its the only perspective I've got. It's not like one just ups and changes perspectives do they?
The rich suddenly giving a sh#t about the poor finds little in the way of a real example.
The powerful giving a sh#t about the weak, the intelligent giving a sh#t about the ignorant.
No... I believe we all say these things... but we hardly back them up with focused effort at achieving the desired results.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Oct 21, 2014 - 10:36am PT
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Jingy, I always enjoy seeing your posts..thoughts, music and feisty replies..
In my world ..you count..Big time...
Wish i could bop on over with some homemade chicken soup and pumpkin pie..
saludos..my friend..
sending you much Love....Really!
Nita....(-;
edit..Just noticed you posted above me...
second edit..Ahh, we were thinking of each other and posting at the same time. .. MLS .Mona Lisa smile.
another edit...Bob D.A....I hope you just take a break, don't delete and return...
Cheers...nita...
pssss... I Miss the long shadows and the natural glowing light of the Southwest..Lucky you.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 21, 2014 - 10:51am PT
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Jingy, why do I want to hear about your ups and downs? Because I care. Lynne
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Oct 21, 2014 - 11:13am PT
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Something my fiancee sent to me last week through e-mail after I was having a bad day. These are tough to do all the time, but the more you do them the better time you may have on this physical plane. For some reason Jingys post reminded me of this.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 21, 2014 - 11:13am PT
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we can't always get what we want.
What if I am tired of repeating myself?
Not to you of course... we've not spoken in some time.
But what if telling you about my anything aggravates me more than you can even begin to realize?
If it was really really important....
WE WOULD ALL HAVE CLEARLY OBSERVABLE RESULTS TO SHOW IT
I like to think of it as a loving relationship... If it were a loving relationship.. we would have the results to prove it.. wouldn't you think?
I really care for the spotted owl kinda means that it comes with results.. otherwise its just words and feelings being through about as if they are the substance, the words are the real, when actually, you can't drink feelings, words do not sustain one's body.
Thought another way.. I say I want to save the spotted owl. You may think that it is important to me, after all.. I say it is.
I may even step up and do work to help with reclaiming their habitat and their environments.
I may be able to point to all of my great works, and all of my words as evidence of my placing importance on the spotted owl.
But, if you see me taking aim at a spotted owl with a long range, scoped rifle in some part of the woods... after hearing my heartfelt speeches, after reading my words... you would have to look at the situation with a new set of eyes... the same eye's that Dorothy had once she pulled back the curtain to reveal the truth... the reality of her situation... The reality of our situation.
At some point, when what we want to see starts to distort the world around us, we need to take a step back and ask, is our intent really the ideal? why is the ideal not a reality already?
The human mind takes long to make changes.. we may never find the results that match up with reality.
Dirt Claud - For some reason Jingys post reminded me of this.
Right. If we say one thing... then it would stand to reason that the results would follow...
I'm the one with the problem... I keep failing to see the results.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Oct 21, 2014 - 11:13am PT
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I could be wrong but I think the blindness being refered to is metaphorical. I think what is being alluded to is the sense of vulnerability and uselessness that all of the participants on the Religion vs Science thread have felt since it was deleted out of personal pique at Dr. F.
A lot of us put our heart and souls into that thread (yes atheists have souls too though not eternal, according to them). We were dealing with many of life's deepest questions and we had all gotten to know each other very well. We had a community going and we had all learned a lot from each other. Almost all of us had evolved a great deal in our thinking on the issues. In many ways to those of us who participated, it seemed like the best of the internet.
To have that all wiped out in an instant without any consultation as to our wishes, leaves a huge empty existential hole. Some people have gotten mad and left or are trying to. Some are left depressed, thinking if one can't even communicate freely on a website supposedly meant for individualists, then what's the point of anything? Some of us are busy downloading all of our favorite threads that are left in case the whole website goes down because it's deemed not profitable enough or just too much trouble.
Once again, it seems to me that it has been proven that the real religion of America is money and the real high priests of the age are those who have it. And what's depressing to me at least, is how many people think this is the just order of things. Plenty for Jingy and the rest of us to be depressed about it seems. Meanwhile, back to the downloading.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 21, 2014 - 11:19am PT
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I sent Bob a personal message, but I want to say publicly that getting to "know" him better has been one of my great joys on ST. I certainly have known of him for many years, and admired his climbing, but I've gotten to admire his person, too. I didn't see his request as any attempt at drama, but rather a simple question.
If Bob leaves, I will miss him here greatly, just as I already miss Craig (Dr. F.), Jeff (fattrad) and so many others. Regardless, I'm grateful that all of you (and, given the discussion above, particularly you, Jingy) have enlivened the discussion around our virtual campfire. Thanks to all, and particularly to CMac, for giving us this venue.
John
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Jingy
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Somewhere out there
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Oct 21, 2014 - 11:25am PT
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Once again, it seems to me that it has been proven that the real religion of America is money and the real high priests of the age are those who have it. And what's depressing to me at least, is how many people think this is the just order of things. Plenty for Jingy and the rest of us to be depressed about it seems. Meanwhile, back to the downloading.
this is the closest to understanding I've read today...
But... again... I step back and fall into the rut of the well worn path of 'the order of things'.
So, how do we change the order of things?
I'm just one man, and I'm not even that much of a man... never was... again.. looking at my results.
Thanks to all, and particularly to CMac, for giving us this venue.
your place at the table will be set just for you.... then?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
And who cares who cares about it?
The key to understanding any of my anger:
And what's depressing to me at least, is how many people think this is the just order of things.
And the more I think about it, the more upset I can get:
Of we really wanted to educate kids, we would educate kids. What do we have... Oh, but wait... you might say "Americas kids are being educated."
Really?
America's the greatest nation in the world sounds strange to someone who is paying attention to the reality on the ground.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 21, 2014 - 11:45am PT
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Good one, Jingy. Maybe the tablecloth pull represents all of our places at the table.
45 years ago at Berkeley, in Physics 4A, our prof set up - and pulled off (so to speak) the tablecloth pull to demonstrate momentum, so I know it can be done . . . but maybe not with a virtual campfire.
John
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John M
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Oct 21, 2014 - 12:08pm PT
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Once again, it seems to me that it has been proven that the real religion of America is money and the real high priests of the age are those who have it. And what's depressing to me at least, is how many people think this is the just order of things. Plenty for Jingy and the rest of us to be depressed about it seems. Meanwhile, back to the downloading.
My brain is very fuzzy today, so I hope that you will bear with me.
Jingy.. I wish that there was something that I could do about your situation. I know a bit about hard situations. I too have lost much of my health. What I hope that you will see is that you are currently dealing with some heavy depression that is keeping you from seeing the various shades of life. Life isn't all black and white, though at the moment you may feel like it is.
Jan.. I don't believe that this particular situation on the forum is driven by money. To me its more about time and freedom and not wanting to have to take responsibility for what one has created. Plus it is in part about expectations. I believe Chris hoped that we could be adults about how we communicate. Perhaps he was a bit naive. Yet what does he do if he doesn't really want to put the time into policing this place? Hand it over to someone else? Then he has to police them. I think he was hoping that he would have to do very little policing.
With Dr F. I don't believe it is a simple as he tries to paint it. I think the admin got tired of dealing with him. He has issues with obsession.
As for how they dealt with him. This is where I believe they made a mistake. Perhaps they need to fix the code so that whole threads aren't lost when someones account is removed. There should be a point after which a thread doesn't belong to a person anymore. It belongs to the whole who have helped create it. At leasts thats my opinion. Perhaps thats what we need a thread about.
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Jingy
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Somewhere out there
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Oct 21, 2014 - 12:11pm PT
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Jan
Oct 21, 2014 - 11:13am PT
I could be wrong but I think the blindness being refered to is metaphorical. I think what is being alluded to is the sense of vulnerability and uselessness that all of the participants on the Religion vs Science thread have felt since it was deleted out of personal pique at Dr. F.
Yes and no... you see... a step back from blindness... what is it then...? it's hard to explain without putting a human face to it and I can no longer stomach doing that any longer... The attention would be futile.
Vulnerability? - Yes - That is one thing.
Meaninglessness? - Yes - I have come to realize this as fact... though I still have work on accepting the full ramifications of this fact.
John M. - Jingy.. I wish that there was something that I could do about your situation. I know a bit about hard situations. I too have lost much of my health. What I hope that you will see is that you are currently dealing with some heavy depression that is keeping you from seeing the various shades of life.
Being a certified clinical psychologist I can appreciate your clinical opinion here on the ST Forum? Do you also write prescriptions with giving your opinions on the health of other supertopo members? Would you be upset if I leave it at that as what it is? I know you know loss of health... no, wait.. I say I know you know loss of health... but I'm not completely sure you understand 'my' situation of loss, so I hesitate... step back... and read this as just another human being (just like me and I'm not smart at all however well-intended I may feel at any time) posting their thoughts to a forum that I frequent... by choice... and nothing more.
The rich man cannot with any real sense of the word 'know' the ultra personal depths of poverty and the despair that comes with it until they have been without for some time.
The gifted musician will never truly understand deafness until they are deaf.
Not seeing the different shades would be the rich man emptying his wallet and claiming to know poverty... it has in no way pervaded the rich man's every moments thought... "how am I going to eat with no money? How will I pay rent/morgage/utilities with no money?"
These are not concerns for the rich man... how can they be?
All of that is based on:
Life isn't all black and white, though at the moment you may feel like it is.
What if I told you that I say you are wrong?
What is the biggest dichotomy you know of? And don't tell me you can't think of one, we live them daily: Life and death?
You are either alive or you are dead.
The only grey I can think of is the time between heart/brain seizure and resuscitation to life... and that's not always a given. Like the new definition of life is never going to include those moments we are struggling for life as or after our hearts and brains stop.
Fact is... I thought I knew a lot about the human body until I found out how little we (humanity) know about the human body, then I realized I knew very little about how little we (humanity) knows about the human body... How could I have ever thought that I knew anything about the human body in the first place?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Oct 21, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
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Agreed John.
My point about money is this. Contributor after contributor has remarked that "they" own the site and they can do whatever they wish so just get over it. And some people are mad enough about what happened that if they had the money they would start their own site. Since they don't, we're stuck, so money is part of the issue here whether that was the original intent or not.
As for Dr. F, he and I clashed on numerous occasions so I know how difficult he could be. Still, he made me think about my positions and many others, and sharpened our thinking as a result. Personally I will miss him, contrarian that he was. Then again, I miss Rokjox who also irritated a lot of people. Maybe this tolerance for extreme individualism is a hallmark of the past, a legacy of the Golden Age now far away. Who knows?
I do believe there ought to be a better way of deleting people and not whole threads. This happened in the past, why not now? Too much time and effort or a different computer program?
And finally on the subject of money, it seems to me the owners of this site will in fact notice that traffic is down with the elimination of the controversial threads and in retrospect appreciate Dr. F's contributions to the bottom line at least.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 21, 2014 - 12:27pm PT
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I appreciate your presence here, Jan.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Oct 21, 2014 - 12:28pm PT
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Please do not let this thread disappear. There are some very moving and poignant posts. I'm limited to my fingernail sized screen for a bit longer and I can't really read and process all of this.
Gosh I wish we really were sitting around a real campfire right now. Some beautiful reflections and introspections.
Susan
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John M
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Oct 21, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
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And finally on the subject of money, it seems to me the owners of this site will in fact notice that traffic is down with the elimination of the controversial threads and in retrospect appreciate Dr. F's contributions to the bottom line at least.
I think that what some people have been trying to say is that these conversations will go on because if enough people still want to talk about these subjects, then someone will start a new thread. We already have the thread started by Dirtbag on Politics. And John Long has said that he will start one on mind. so the conversation can be continued.
In my opinion what is really lost are those thoughts and links that were brought out by that conversation. Though to me the reality is that few will actually go back and look for them. I understand that you are one of those few and I don't' discount your desire. In fact I hold it above most others here, which is in part why I support changing the way the admin deletes peoples accounts. If that is possible. So that whole threads aren't lost.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 21, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
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Maybe this tolerance for extreme individualism is a hallmark of the past, a legacy of the Golden Age now far away. Who knows?
Sad to say, I suspect you're right, Jan. Those of us who grew up under the philosophy that "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" still got hurt by words, of course, but we also acquired a thick enough skin to deflect all but the sharpest darts. That probably made it tougher for others to really offend us, thus giving us greater tolerance for opinions expressed with more passion than discretion. Besides, we grew up celebrating individualism.
At least for me, I already know what I think, and would be terribly bored if all I read were posts with which I agree. It doesn't mean I don't greatly appreciate those rare posts that agree with my view; rather it means that I treasure also those posts that challenge that view. If those expressions happen to be particularly "individualistic" (I use quotes because I suspect we use that term euphemistically), it seldom bothers me.
I doubt many on this thread care, but I think Prov. 14:4 has great general application: "Where there are no oxen, the manger is clean, but great increase comes form the strength of the ox." If you want to get worthwhile results, you should expect some messes along the way. If we keep our conversations neat and clean, we may not get as much out of them.
John
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 21, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
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Don't be too hopeful about this thread sticking around if Bob gets all his stuff pulled.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 21, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
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John Long has said that he will start one on mind. so the conversation can be continued.
not that I'm being critical... but are you sure you want that? Not sure why, but the word 'bullied' comes to mind when I think on the Mind thread contributors who had previously ventured over to the Politics/Religion/Science thread...
Talk about an imposition...
The ultra-schooled, ultra-knowing, highly concentrated, thinking for thinking sake types of discussions going on there... and don't try to simplify anything you are trying to gain understanding of...
It's how things are... and there is no sense in bringing that up... ever.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Oct 21, 2014 - 01:44pm PT
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Who has the most Quality first ascents among the supertopeons??
bet this guy is near the top of the list!
I mean this in a kind way, jingy the guy in yellow belowVVV
was almost blind look closely at those coke bottle bottom lenses
Big resturant bob you know these two fo' sure
smiles for at least seeing that we luv ya
don't go!!
jumped the shark again
I can not tell you any thing except that I too am way run out, past 60 feet, on polished rock that is a constant 70 degrees and only gets steeper the farther I go above three #2 HB brass offsets in a flare.
I feel the poverty and share it .
so excuse me but we all share trials many end it some defend that choice. i do not .
That a thread about boltin' Bob the Phili flyer is thus hijacked means you do not know the Man.
He works non stop I am sure. He always has and (as I said) is working in a hot NM kitchen right now !
pick a different line, thread, site, to cry into the wind on.
Lets keep the real ones wanting to show up here.
This is not the way to go about that.
Go find C. Frye his old pals have recently died.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 21, 2014 - 01:51pm PT
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Susan, you are right. This thread has turned from a resignation into a doctorate. Hope it will last!
I'm not down loading anything tho. The reason, for me and where I'm at in life is the last 7 years have taught me nothing is lasting or permanent. You can take all the steps to safeguard your life financially and physically but at any moment the entire (every inch) rug can be pulled out from under you. You can be helpless to do anything due to the circumstances of life and the situation.
So, I'm trying to let go and simplify. This is a real challenge for me but I'm making small steps in the right direction. There are only a few really important things in life, "the clutter" can be a roadblock in achieving these.
Most important, I feel, is to wake up and live the day (I have my best friend jesus to help me) and to love and listen to those that make an appearance in the day.......and of course to follow your dreams, eat right and exercise. Love and Joy from lynnie trying hard to pursue the dream.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 21, 2014 - 02:04pm PT
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Locker, we should make an ST climbing, put up a fence party/weekend/BBQ.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 21, 2014 - 02:13pm PT
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All the old over the hill girly men are leaving.
Not tough guys like us ......
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goatboy smellz
climber
लघिमा
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Oct 21, 2014 - 02:24pm PT
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Sorry to see you go Bob, one less Gunks/Colorado climber in this mix.
Good luck wherever you end up and dont forget to keep the locals up to date on your next art show.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Oct 21, 2014 - 02:40pm PT
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Locker, we should make an ST climbing, put up a fence party/weekend/BBQ.
You should all just come to Moab within the next couple weeks and we can sort this all out with the local Moab ST crowd. Call it a retreat or something where we can sing that koom bye ya tune. Or better yet, in the true Taco spirit, just call it Halloween.
Susan
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John M
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Oct 21, 2014 - 02:47pm PT
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Hey Jingy..
This is probably a bit of a mess because my brain isn't working very well today. I hope you can forgive me if I say something insensitive or as though I know everything. I know that I don't.
I don't know exactly what you are going through. Without being you, I can't. Yet I can to some degree understand the kinds of loss and pain you are experiencing as I have also lost and am losing things I hold dear.
As for my comment on shades of gray. It appeared to me that you were saying that because certain things, like poverty, still exists, that it means that man does not care. Please forgive me if this is not what you meant. I would agree to some extent that it is an indication, yet it doesn't mean that all men don't care. I know that I did. One thing I can point to that would show that would be that I helped build an orphanage in Mexico. And I have other things I could point to. Yet the problems I was trying to address still exist. So was my act worthless? I don't believe so. However small it was, it still impacted some lives. So there is worth in what I did and proof that some do care. Thats in part what I meant by black and white. It seemed to me like you were saying that no one cared. And like you were saying that if they cared, they they would be there 100 percent for you. And what I am saying that is they could care, yet not be able to be there 100 percent for you.
Caring doesn't mean that one can necessarily fix a problem. People care very deeply for me, yet I am still dealing with some very difficult things. Things that they can't fix. For instance it is very possible that one day I will commit suicide. I struggle daily with depression, and often it gets the best of me. I say that my friends care because they show me that they care. Sometimes going very far out of their way to help me. Do all of them get it? No.. they don't. In fact I have lost friends because I couldn't fix my self the way they thought that I should be able to. And I have stopped attempting to be friends with others who have said cruel things to me because I couldn't do what they thought I should be able to do. Not everyone on this planet is good. And those who are good are not all powerful. My friends can't fix me, and yet they can still care. And So can your friends. If you let them.
I don't say that lightly because right now I am struggling with just how much help I am willing to take. Currently I am homeless and mostly living out of my vehicle. A vehicle that is falling apart. These past few days I have been staying in a hotel because I got tired of not having a shower. Plus some of my physical issues flared up which make camping very difficult. I haven't said anything to most of the people that I know because I didn't want to have to accept help. It is deeply embarrassing to me to need help. I have always been very independent. So it is painful to me to be in this condition. Plus help sometimes comes with its own set of problems. I've grown tired of seeing the disappointment in someones face when they give me some help and it doesn't fix the problem. I often can't meet their expectations, so I say nothing.
I feel like I am revealing too much. so I will close.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 21, 2014 - 03:19pm PT
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Ahhh, JohnM. Written from the heart and the word profound applies. Thank You!
There is so much pain and suffering in this world, this life. Yet, there are wonderful, small things that happen to us each day if we look carefully.
I can't solve all the problems, provide answers or alleviate pain. But someone did this for me many years ago and that's why I'm still here and not dead in a gutter from a drug overdose. It was my best friend, jesus. I know he's real, he cares more than any human and if you become close friends with him your life will be touched and changed. He has answers and provides help.
I'm not trying to evangelize or anything else. Just offering an answer that worked hugely for me. Hey, it's worth a try if all your own efforts have failed. And I'm not directing this at you Moosie. It's for people that have reached the end of the rope. Something I have experienced several times in my lifetime.
Special Hugs to you and Jingy today, as well as Scott C.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 21, 2014 - 03:40pm PT
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Yet I can to some degree understand the kinds of loss and pain you are experiencing as I have also lost and am losing things I hold dear.
John. No offense has been taken. Even if I fly off the handle and capital letter everything I write... I still am not offended.
But... this statement stands out as straight away... off the track of understanding...
Of course, I'll give you the "to some degree" understanding loss and pain... in that you have lost something in the past and you have experienced pain in the past...
Just know that knowing what I know now, through my experience, I can assure you there is no comparison between today and the life I before I knew what this feeling was.
I hesitate to get to personal again... I know all to well the hardline manly men that sit on this board who wait for personal sh#t to come out to jump on and humiliate with indifference of a hungry shark... I need that like I need a hole, you know?
I also hesitate to name the disease again... I may have mentioned it some time ago, but I fear that just having a name doesn't give this thing any legs... you cannot know what you have until it goes away from you...
I give it a name - People get the name and form a picture of the disease... That picture is the only picture they have now whenever the name of the disease comes up.
That is unfair to everyone involved...
but it is what it is....
more in a minute
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 21, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
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John M. No offense taken, ever. No matter the tone of my writing
So was my act worthless?
I don't believe so.
However small it was, it still impacted some lives.
So there is worth in what I did and proof that some do care.
That's in part what I meant by black and white.
It seemed to me like you were saying that no one cared.
And like you were saying that if they cared, they they would be there 100 percent for you.
And what I am saying that is they could care, yet not be able to be there 100 percent for you.
Wow. You are right that there may be a misunderstanding here...
I've never wanted people here for me? I'm not asking for ST to solve my problems.
I'm not even looking for a partner to run up this route with me...
It's become a completely different discussion now...
I'm tired of explaining, even when I never explain a thing.
In explaining, I will need to break things down and explain too many things to really leverage any understanding from anything I've written at this point.
sorry, I may be done for the day if I don't think of something else.
Caring doesn't mean that one can necessarily fix a problem.
If the problem was getting water into your fields after planting... it could help if the soil were also fertile and that there was ample sunlight for the entire growing season... Otherwise.... yes... it is futile.
Planting seeds on moving soil, or irradiated soil will also be useless.
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John M
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Oct 21, 2014 - 04:54pm PT
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Hey Jingy.. I never meant to imply that you were asking for help here. I was trying to get to the root of what I see that I define as black and white thinking in your writing. That is all. And I was thus giving an example from my own life that would illustrate a kind of black white thinking. But I can see that I'm not communicating very clearly. I apologize. I will probably delete my post above as it reveals a bit too much. The internet is not a good place to reveal very much about ones self.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Oct 21, 2014 - 05:04pm PT
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Wow. Jingy- keep calm and kick back. We all have bad days.
Cheers.
All the old over the hill girly men are leaving. Does that mean I have to leave?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 21, 2014 - 05:12pm PT
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The internet is not a good place to reveal very much about ones self.
True.
It seems I too suffer from the inability to effectively write what I mean.
The smart guy never knows the troubles of the dumb guy just as the dumb guy never knows the weight of multi-million dollar deals that take place everyday.
johntp -
Wow. Jingy- keep calm and kick back. We all have bad days.
Where is there any excitement in my writings?
I'm the dummy here...
My post from earlier today that kind of started this all off for me today...
Oct 21, 2014 - 09:06am PT
(Please know that this is all well intended drivel. If there any objections while reading this drivel (I often wonder why anyone would read this drivel at all) just take a step away from the situation so you can see a little bigger picture... so that reactions are not all you succumb to)
catch me up on wat up wit yo.
as much as this sounds like a great invitation for some story telling and heartfelt discussion about life's ups and downs... unfortunately there is no life to discuss... therefore I will not be emailing you to reconnect.
Lynne, I'm not the Jingy you met all those years ago... my mind and body have changed... it is all out of my control. Please do not be alarmed.
I have lived a life of what I was calling connection....
I believe, now, that there is no connection... at least none tied to me... no matter how wrong that sounds...
Blindness in old age cannot be willed away.
Blindness in old age cannot be bootstrapped to 20/20.
You cannot hunker down and rebuild from blindness.
How is my condition different? And how much do we really want to hear about the ups and downs of the blind "yeah, we know, you can't see... Heard that... you got anything new?"
What if I have nothing new to tell?
What if you could look back at the pages and posts on this website and have a full record of my "Life" and how its going...?
What if the words you posted to this forum were your only avenue for expression in any meaningful way for you? What kind of connection would you feel to the community if, on the whim of another human being, your only means of expression... or.. that which you have expressed was taken away? Removed?
What if... when you look back at your life you see example after example of life treating you in this same unquestioning indifference to your concerns... maybe unfair... as if your words don't mean a thing... as if your feelings don't mean a thing.
I have to accept this as reality. My words mean nothing. My thoughts mean nothing. They never have. They have always been under an illusion of a future and an importance when there wasn't any to begin with...
In my case... I know I am right.
On a side note, I just thought of a good reason to not post anything thoughtful to this website at all. Nothing I post on the site matters. Your/My words mean nothing and they can/will be removed. Don't ever think it's going to be different. Don't ever think that you can change any of these things.
This site is no site of record.
Edit - The more I think about it, the more everything points to my illusion that what I write/think/say is of any importance at all. Knowing is the key to the battle... Don't think for a moment that your words have any meaning to anyone other than the emptiness within and you will get along just fine in this life.
Pity Me?
Not quite... At least none intended. Maybe I'm just upset at the loss of time and energy spent posting to the indifference of the internet. And then being somewhat ashamed at the fact that I fooled myself into thinking that writing here on the topo has significance.
Maybe all this screaming in the woods is doing me some good after all, huh?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 21, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
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John and Jingy.....you are Wrong. You both write beautifully and get your ideas across Very well. I understand if you must delete your posts, but they were as clear and honest, straightforward and brave (without whining) as I have ever heard. Thank you both from the bottom of my heart. Lynne
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 21, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
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hey there say, all... so many thoughts and shares from everyone...
i don't know if i fit in here, as to my reactions, of it all...
but, i can say this, people here, make the whole place special...
like in the woods, etc...
each wooded, meadowed, rivered, etc, area, is special in its own right, by what (meaning who, in this case) is there, --sharing itself and the seeds from it-all...
as to the posts, thoughts, and hard work, etc, shared, in the past, that might get lost (whether at the taco, or other forums:
well, i have a way that works for me, as to keeping-hold of things... things that either stay, or fade away, whether physical (things that we keep, in the world), or words (that we view, that others post, or, hear, that others say)...
when i was younger, i was extra sentimental, and tried to save many things (can be extra hard on the emotions, at times)... but, when they got lost, or old, or damaged by nature, etc, (or as in south texas--by roaches or mice) there was a larger sorrow for the losses, as they were connected to those emotions--emotions that cared for either myself, my family, or my friends, or others that i connected with...
well, over time, i saw ALL THESE things that did enrich me (or that do enrich folks) as if this:
FLOWERS...
flowers are planted either by many hands, or by ourselves...
or flowers, even grow wild...
i can love and enjoy them at the moment that i SEE them, or, after i search for them... some fade and gone, even though i had loved to
continually see and smell them...
others, were taken-down too early, either by storms, mankind's damage, or eaten by critters...
yet--by keeping the experience and treasure, in my heart, they were always mine, to use, learn by, or simply enjoy, and be grateful for...
some flowers, could actually be picked, and even kept and pressed, and lasted longer, though in different ways... yet, in time, they too, could fade, or fall apart... yet, i savored them in in THOSE ways, and reflected longer, yet-again, for but a season...
all the words, shares, love, and learning, that i see and enjoy here, or from my loved ones, or that i glean elsewhere, from talk, phone messages, letters, or cards, or emails, i try to see as it they are FLOWERS...
flowers that i was blessed to draw near to me, yet:
i do not overstep as to the garden-of-life, to get them to be more than they can be--i enjoy them for what they have done...
well... it works for me, but i am not sure if it works for others, so i am not sure if i really fits in here, but:
just thought i'd share...
since so many of us are sharing, as--we DO treasure what others have posted
and present on this forum...
so, as, i have enjoyed so much from many, here...
i wanted to let you know, that in some ways, much of it is not really lost:
it is in our hearts or spirits...
AND on occasions--perhaps forgotten--but: i reckon the words of many, DO surface, when certain subjects 'trigger' them... TIME, is the teller, as to that...
and when it happens, it is meaningful, then, that they are to us...
perhaps in the same old ways, or, perhaps even in new ways, and,
the folks that shared those things, also:
are not really forgotten,
though they made FADE from our wooded area...
enjoy each flower, while you can...
HERE, there, or anywhere...
:)
*say, i think i will 'pick' this FLOWER, and reflect on it a bit, by copy and past, hee hee--and then, let it fade, a bit later... :)
edit:
oh, i have just seen that the subject, moved on into a few other faucets, from the other part of the posts, that read here...
you may have to backtrack, to see how mine fits in, here...
:)
edit:
oh, say, lynne... from your quote:
I'm not down loading anything tho. The reason, for me and where I'm at in life is the last 7 years have taught me nothing is lasting or permanent. You can take all the steps to safeguard your life financially and physically but at any moment the entire (every inch) rug can be pulled out from under you. You can be helpless to do anything due to the circumstances of life and the situation.
So, I'm trying to let go and simplify. This is a real challenge for me but I'm making small steps in the right direction. There are only a few really important things in life, "the clutter" can be a roadblock in achieving these.
Most important, I feel, is to wake up and live the day (I have my best friend jesus to help me) and to love and listen to those that make an appearance in the day.......and of course to follow your dreams, eat right and exercise. Love and Joy from lynnie trying hard to pursue the dream
say, lynne, life and situations, as you say, and changes, etc,
yes, it is important:
'take the appearance-things, of each day' ...
cherish for what they are, i can understand what you mean...
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perswig
climber
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Oct 21, 2014 - 06:26pm PT
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DMT
Life is a train wreck and a passionate blessing of the universe of nothing.
Never let a day go by.
Jim Brennan
How much more can one take ? All of it.
It's OK to be troubled and depressed about what your life has become. It's like being caught in a wave pattern sent from the ocean your brain is. Take it mathematically and physically. You are still you, even if it seems your friends have given up.
How much do friends owe you and why ? Maybe they have only so much to spend on other people and need to take care of themselves, ultimately.
How many times have you resisted the waves of guilt and anxiety, only to have these waves pass impersonally, with your life resuming again ?
Take it with a grain of salt... What your brain gives you is not going away. Your responsibility to yourself and your loved ones is to find a way to see it for what it is and construct mental tools to manage yourself.
I love this place. For many things.
Including people and thoughts like this.
Dale
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Oct 21, 2014 - 06:32pm PT
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Jingy- I just read everything you wrote, brother.
Lots of stuff caught my eye but especially this, from your last post:
I fooled myself into thinking that writing here on the topo has significance.
Hmmmm.
I consider myself more of a "sharer" and less of an "engager" on this site.
For me the really cool thing is not really knowing the significance of what I share.
It may go in one ear and out the other or it may affect someone profoundly.
A line from the Grateful Dead's "Cassidy" seems to ring true for me when I post and allows me to let go and feel no ownership or clingyness to what I write.
"Let the words be yours I am done with mine"
Be well, Jingy, and thanks for sharing. What you wrote today was significant to me.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 21, 2014 - 06:42pm PT
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If you enhance or make one human being life a little better you have achieve greatness.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 21, 2014 - 07:13pm PT
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Great post,Bob D'A
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 21, 2014 - 07:20pm PT
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drljefe -
Oct 21, 2014 - 06:32pm PT
Jingy- I just read everything you wrote, brother.
Lots of stuff caught my eye but especially this, from your last post:
I fooled myself into thinking that writing here on the topo has significance.
Hmmmm.
I consider myself more of a "sharer" and less of an "engager" on this site.
For me the really cool thing is not really knowing the significance of what I share.
It may go in one ear and out the other or it may affect someone profoundly.
A line from the Grateful Dead's "Cassidy" seems to ring true for me when I post and allows me to let go and feel no ownership or clingyness to what I write.
"Let the words be yours I am done with mine"
Be well, Jingy, and thanks for sharing. What you wrote today was significant to me.
ok... let's step this back a bit..
Say, for instance, you read my posts today and found them to be something "anything"... Important, whatever you wish to call it... Pivotal!!!
But, tomorrow what I have written is all gone... because I have started barely a single thread that garnered any interest at all by my 'peers'...
How pivotal would my words be to anyone you told to read my words after you?
And let's back that up one step and get rid of all my pivotal writing before you had the chance to read it...? How pivotal am I then?
As for the posts, I completely understand and have to live with the situation as it is... I hold no reigns here.
Great, huh?
I no longer have to worry about any new prospective employers looking into my past posts for any evidence of my hatred of corporations and how I link their pleague to the rise of the ignorance of the republican party since the 80's....
But, now... none of my curbside wisdom is available for review...
As it was before I invented it..
No matter either way... Just like the Cuban embargo, let's not question anything because nothing can be done.
Cheers and thanks everyone for your well wishes and thoughtful words and encouragements. I appreciate that you all attempt to lend eyes to the issues I bring up. That you consider them at all I guess should be the limit of my expectations when dealing with the world today.
You help a guy feel alive and welcome, thanks.
Upended Thought Edit:
I had a thought earlier at the DMV today. I wondered if there was anything written and posted by any climber that has past-away on either of the threads that I am currently bent about losing?
Do we treat any of the posts by any of the climbers that have past away in this way. Deleting threads/posts whole cloth?
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Oct 21, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
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Bob I've always enjoyed your photographs, thanks for posting them, your threads are among the first I followed here.
Jingy,
one for you
(I don't know how to do that video post dealio, dang.)
[youtube=http://youtu.be/nyj5Be5ovas]
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 21, 2014 - 10:29pm PT
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The internet is not a good place to reveal very much about ones self.
I think it depends where and to whom. I've discovered that a lot of other climbers share my battle with depression when I posted my own story.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1133733&msg=1134943#msg1134943
I doubt that I could have engaged in the real conversations about this with other climbers had I not disclosed all the ugly details of my own struggles. There are a great many extraordinarily caring people on this site who I never would have discovered but for letting my own "secrets" out.
There are many places where I wouldn't post anything like what I did above (Facebook comes to mind, although I can't tell you exactly why). And John M., I don't know what I can do since finances are a bit of struggle for us now, but if I can help in any way, please let me know. Anyone who made the effort to come to one of our concerts deserves at least that much -- and much more in your case.
John
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 22, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
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Sorry I missed it...
I saw this while searching through some of my resent posts, trying to find reason for my posting..
Jim Brennan writes:
How much more can one take ? All of it.
It's OK to be troubled and depressed about what your life has become. It's like being caught in a wave pattern sent from the ocean your brain is. Take it mathematically and physically. You are still you, even if it seems your friends have given up.
How much do friends owe you and why ? Maybe they have only so much to spend on other people and need to take care of themselves, ultimately.
How many times have you resisted the waves of guilt and anxiety, only to have these waves pass impersonally, with your life resuming again ?
Take it with a grain of salt... What your brain gives you is not going away. Your responsibility to yourself and your loved ones is to find a way to see it for what it is and construct mental tools to manage yourself.
As I read... my situation, my life and my circumstance came to mind...
ok... so... "You are still you, even if it seems your friends have given up." I say this assumes something...
"How much do friends owe you and why ? Maybe they have only so much to spend on other people and need to take care of themselves, ultimately."
What if the assumption being made here is that one feels that friends owe anything to the 'you' in this sentence... that's me.
What if the opposite were true...? What if you felt overwhelmingly that you owed your friends...? And amount that cannot be counted, nor paid back. What if one knew, without a doubt, that theirs would have been a life much less lived without the impressions of 'friends.
What if you've never felt you would be able to pay them back for what you feel you were given?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 22, 2014 - 06:45pm PT
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Jingy, and then there is Grace. Nothing about earning or deserving or paying back, just accepting the love. Hearts, lynnie
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Oct 22, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
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Hey Jingy, i send a hug, for who you are today, and in remembrance for who you were when i first met you. I think of you whenever i see your name, or hear it (remember the song?).
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Oct 22, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
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Jingy, and then there is Grace. Nothing about earning or deserving, just accepting the love.
+1....I like that Miss Lynne.....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 23, 2014 - 05:02am PT
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Delete?
Real men run it out!!
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 23, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
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If you enhance or make one human being life a little better you have achieve greatness.
i thought you were leaving
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 23, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
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Bob D'A believed he achieved greatness and can now leave.
Bob is gonna get mad at me now and come back .... :-)
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 23, 2014 - 09:07pm PT
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Please don't leave, Bob. We are having way to much friendship and fun here on this thread! Thanks to you!
Jaybro, how insensitive. It should read, " real men and women run it out."
I may have to leave this forum...bwahahahahahah :) lynnie
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Oct 23, 2014 - 10:35pm PT
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Bob D'A, upstream in this thread, I asked you to reconsider leaving. I didn't elaborate on why.
It's because you don't post super often, but when you do, it's just a good, solid, normal contribution. You are part of the fabric that makes this place worthwhile. You are not over- involved, not ego- centric, not crude, not nasty.
So it's a selfish request asking you to stay. Whatever you decide I wish you all the best.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 27, 2014 - 08:02pm PT
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Jaybro, how insensitive. It should read, " real men and women run it out."
Lynnie, you caught me! You're so right! I walk the walk of shame...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 27, 2014 - 09:37pm PT
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Oh just doing what I do best Jaybro, reading. How bout we walk the walk of shame together straight up some knobby Tuolumne granite? bwahahaha as Werner says. Cheers to you Friend!
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Could someone please delete me. I'm exhausted.
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