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apogee
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 30, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
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Read the book years ago...still one of the most impactful documentaries I've ever read (esp. as a native So Cal'nian)
Always wanted to see the PBS series, but can't seem to figure out how to get my hands on it...it never made it to DVD, and it's not Netflix-able.
Anybody ever see the series? Got beta on how to find it?
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KabalaArch
Trad climber
Starlite, California
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Sep 30, 2014 - 10:15pm PT
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We were able to rent it on VHS - which goes to how long ago that was.
Xnlt, too! Maybe hit up a public library system?
I think the playtime was a few hours.
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2014 - 10:33pm PT
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Yeah, I found that too, ruppell...that's a 9 minute excerpt...the other 8 parts were also about 8-9 minutes. Roughly 80 minutes, total.
The original series was a 4 part series- are those excerpts the entire series? (80 minutes?)
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ruppell
climber
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Sep 30, 2014 - 10:34pm PT
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I just did a torrent search for it. It's a dead torrent. Meaning I'm out of ideas for you. Karl might be on to something with VHS and the library. Good luck.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2014 - 10:34pm PT
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Well, I appreciate the effort, anyway.
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Cancer Boy
Trad climber
Freedonia
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Sep 30, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
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Read it and wanted to see the PBS series. You Tube has it all, as far as I can tell. (I watched it and detected no gaps.) Check it out. Could not find it elsewhere.
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2014 - 11:04pm PT
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That is interesting, John...and just as frustrating as the article mentions.
Not gonna shell out $400 for the VHS...I'm not sure I can find my VCR. But I'll give the youtube version a spin. Thanks, all.
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ClimbingOn
Trad climber
NY
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Sep 30, 2014 - 11:13pm PT
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Go to worldcat.org, a full catalog off all library catalogs. With a quick search I found the VHS in many, many libraries. If there is not a library close to you that has a copy you can get it through inter-library loan.
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John M
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Sep 30, 2014 - 11:23pm PT
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Wow.. thanks Climbon. What a cool resource. I was the president for my local library board for over 10 years and didn't know about this. Too funny.. well, sort of sad.
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ClimbingOn
Trad climber
NY
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Sep 30, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
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John,
It's a sad fact that many libraries are not as technologically proficient as they could be. There was a rare book I very much wanted to read several years ago. It was $400 on Amazon and eBay. I went to my University's library, put in a request, and two months later I was told it could not be found. I did the research myself, found it on WorldCat, took the information of the exact library the book was at back to my library, and had the book shortly thereafter. Almost any book is in at least one library somewhere, and thus able to be gotten through inter-library loan. It certainly beats paying hundreds of dollars, or sometimes a few thousand dollars, for a copy online.
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John M
climber
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Sep 30, 2014 - 11:45pm PT
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To be fair to myself. I'm not a trained librarian. Just a volunteer. Our library is a small county branch library. It was built with donations. The county only funds us 12 hours a week. We fund another 12 hours in the summer. Plus we buy 90% of our books, dvds, and other various supplies.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Yeah, I found that too, ruppell...that's a 9 minute excerpt...the other 8 parts were also about 8-9 minutes. Roughly 80 minutes, total.
The original series was a 4 part series- are those excerpts the entire series? (80 minutes?)
The whole four part series is there in 27 segments. I stayed up last night until 2:00AM going through it. ( jkoojian's channel)
Hope to finish watching it today. Great find.
The pictures of the old Colorado River delta were stunning. It reminded me of the mouth of the Paraná and Uruguay Rio de la Plata delta in Argentina as it looks today.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Agree about the book. Fantastic read.
I especially like the story of trapper Jim Bridger. I thought that would make a great historic comedy starring a younger Jim Carrey. Bridger, famous beaver trapper, travels to SLC, meets Brigham Young (and wives). BY sends him to So Cal in search of beaver. When he arrives the Mexicans are outraged and chase him up the state finally capturing and jailing him. An American sea captain gets him out of jail in Monterey in the end.
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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That's been on my list of books to read for 15 years. Can't seem to remember at the right time. I wonder how things have changed with climate change, population growth, sprawl, since the book was written?
Got to get to the library.
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DesertRatExpeditions
Trad climber
Flagstaff, Arizona
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Fantastic read, although dense at points. I think it should be mandatory reading for politicians before being allowed to serve, as well as recommended for any person living west of the Mississippi.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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+1 for Chinatown. One of he best movies made and great history of LA and the Valley.
Mulray = Mulholland
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2014 - 01:07pm PT
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Another great, related read:
West of the Hundredth Meridian
Wallace Stegner
Focusses on western expansion and water policies...the section about Powell is especially intriguing, and placed him as one of my all-time heroes.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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A great read, though definitely heavy with facts, which slows the momentum a bit. Pretty prescient though on water issues. Sober then, probably more so now.
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Great piece of work. Too bad Resiner passed away. I would have loved to see his assessment of western water after 1990 in a follow up book to Cadillac Desert.
And yes as stated above, 100% of the PBS documentary is up on Youtube thanks to some kind soul.
For all of you who enjoyed Reisner's assessment of Reclamation and Dominy, check out "Encounters with the Arch Druid" by John Mcphee
"Dead Pool" by James Lawrence Powell is another fantastic read for those interested in Lake Powell.
Edit-
Apogee- Stegners book is fantastic, but unless you are a big Powell fan, it will bore most people to death!
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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If you are a Powell fan, you need to put the first compehensive biography of him written by William C. Darrah ( Powell of the Colorado 1951) who was a former prof of mine in College. It covers his dealings in government as well as his explorations of the Colorado.
He also wrote two books on the geology and ecosystem of the river long before such topics were popular with environmentalists.
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2014 - 01:50pm PT
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Yeah, that book seems to find pretty divergent opinions...personally, I found the historic details to be fascinating, and Powell's explorations were like frosting on the cake.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Read it 25 years ago....great book that is as pertinent today as it was then.
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Chief
climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
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A must read, relevant when it was written and more so today.
Ditto for McPhee's "Encounter With the Arch Druid" and "The Control of Nature".
Throw in Maude Barlow's "Blue Gold" and David Korten's "When Corporations Rule the World" and you start to get the big picture.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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I use it my history class. It's great for local kids. We get to check out places in the old photos and footage and figure out where they are. The Long Valley (future Crowley) shots are cool.
No way to get it really, it was never put on DVD because of interest vs. paying for the footage. I wonder if the Chinatown license cost too much?
Anyway, the youtube is your best bet unless you can find someone who video taped it off PBS years ago and had it transferred to DVD like me.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Mike
It's a must read, for sure.
Floyd (or was it Flood) Dominy was the Damn man, for sure!
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Another piece by Bill Darrah on the Powell expedition he wrote for the Utah Historical Quarterly ( vol 15 1947) is also a must read. It containst several of the expedition members journals of the first trip (1869) and some from the second (1871)
I got my copy from the author just before he retired from teaching, but I understand it has been reprinted and is available for sale
http://www.powells.com/biblio/62-9780874809633-1
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Bad Climber
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One of my all time favorite books. I think it reads like a novel. The PBS series is excellent. I actually own the VHS series, which was packaged with China Town. Great stuff.
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