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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Sep 26, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Sep 26, 2014 - 01:56pm PT
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Yea, but at least Pete could sk8te!
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Sep 26, 2014 - 02:05pm PT
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 26, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
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Nah, Deuce is actually KD Lang, can't you guys remember anything?
and led zepplin isn't fit to suck the who or stone's donkey's dick...
Plus they may also have started the whole wrong spelling in rock n roll thing! That's even worse than their lame ass watered down, white boy britt watered down fake blues thing.
They're also somewhat responsible for heavy metal, boo hiss!
Now Dread Zepplin, they rock! so those limey losers do get some points for providing some proto tunes for them to cover and perfect!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2014 - 04:05pm PT
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and led zepplin isn't fit to suck the who or stone's donkey's dick...
BWA HA HA hahahaaaa!!!! That's why the big crybabies were attacking the mighty Zeppelin.
Pete Townshend isn't fit to wash Jimmy Page's skanky jockstrap!!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 26, 2014 - 04:09pm PT
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This could get good!
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Sep 26, 2014 - 04:15pm PT
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Sep 26, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
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Jaybro, how could you, being such a smart guy, get this issue so wrong? Led Zep rules!
I will thumb wrestle you over this in three weeks. :)
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Sep 26, 2014 - 05:29pm PT
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This guy was better than Townsend or Page, well maybe not Page, but still......
Stevie rules:
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Sep 26, 2014 - 05:44pm PT
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So is this were I needed to be
clearly Floyd was In the deep end of the pool
stones and the Who, riding on Beatles coat tails
And wordwide withdrawls when yoko smacked the great man.
Led Zep was a dirty marketing secret that both worked and went global
Sneaking over here white boys on tour Bonham was so a better drummer
than all the others and when he went pop so did the zep I had tics to see them ...
Canceled the tour '79?
The other names ELP, Jethro Tull. Black Sabeth, Yes, queen, Kansas...??
helped elivate the sound that was morffing into heavy metal
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Sep 26, 2014 - 06:30pm PT
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thought experiment:
imagine your local county or state fair is having a battle of the bands, the prize is $300 and a gift certificate at Olive Garden. Each of the three bands being discussed here, at its peak, is an entrant.
I cannot even begin to imagine a scenario where Zeppelin does not win in the most convincing manner.
Can anyone imagine the Who or the Stones showing up Zep? Rocking harder or heavier? Having more charisma? It's literally fantastic to think that Zeppelin wouldn't swagger to a blow-out win.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Sep 26, 2014 - 06:46pm PT
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Haha some serious sour grapes on those videos.
There's many ways to judge artists. But you can't discount popularity, it's one of the few things that's objective.
And when you are talking about rock and rock and roll, there's
The Beatles
Elvis Presley
Led Zeppelin
(Pink Floyd and Elton John are also up there)
And then there's everyone else.
Not only are those 3 more popular they also helped create their styles of music and helped define their era. The same can't be said about the others.
There's other more subjective measurements. Led Zeppelin were all considered virtuoso's on their instruments/vocals. Their song writing was amazing. The played a variety of styles, fold, acoustic, eastern, etc. and really along with Black Sabbath created hard rock. Their body of work was large with many great songs and they grew as musicians and song writers.
Really Zep was the end of the eras of a dominant rock start band ruling the airwaves. And we likely won't see it again in this day of so many choices and varying tastes.
The Who was very influential and helped progress rock music and lead the way for progressive rock. Keith Moon was as heavy hitting as Bonham but Bonham's beats and fills were amazing. I have no doubt Bonham could play Moon, but could Moon have played Bonham? Roger Daltry's voice isn't distinctive enough for me to be considered as good a singer as Plant, never mind the range and song writing.
I give the Stones a lot of credit for lasting as long as they have and having an impressive body of work. Still getting along and making music and touring. They really came a long way since learning to write songs watching Lennon and McCartney.
Page's guitar playing and development of what can be done on the guitar blow away anything from the Who or The Stone IMO. Yes Zep lifted a lot of stuff on their early albums but they clearly developed the hell out of it. A LOT of blues is based on earlier blues songs. And I do tend to get Zepplined out. I never really liked Dazed and Confused and their more strung out stuff.
I was thoroughly impressed by Entwistle live. I never realized how good he was. They played well.
The Stones was the biggest rip off concert I ever went to. This was in the mid 90s. Everyone else was charging $25-$35 and they charged $55 for a coliseum show. They were good, but not that good. After that everyone started pumping their rates up, bastards!
SRV was awesome live. But he wasn't as versatile as Plant. Definitely Hendrix derived.
Speaking of Hendrix, he's a good example of someone extremely influential and talented who just wan't going to appeal to the masses as much as other here. Too far out there I guess.
Yes was great in concert. But progressive rock is always going to have a limited (nerdy) audience.
Pink Floyd was awesome live. The spectacle is unsurpassed! And they played well.
I just saw Paul McCartney at the farewell to Candlestick concert. He was amazing. 72 years old and just owning the place. Sounded great.
I've been lucky and have rarely seen a bad show. So many others sounded great, Van Halen were super fun great arena rock, ZZ Top, Aerosmith, Steely Dan, The Eagles, Santana, Journey.
The one classic rock band (still around) that I still need to see is AC/DC.
I'm bummed I'll never get to see Queen, Bob Marley, and Hendrix. Maybe in Heaven.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Sep 26, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
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They play nothing but these bands on the real gratest bands channel on pandora. Get your own channel or you will be dead soon.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 26, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
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Funny sh#t here! Now that I'm on a home computer I can't wait to watch those videos of the guys dishing dirt on the pathetic dirigible.
Led zeppelin is the uk version of the monkees, a totally pretend band, made up to sell 45's and tee shirts to teeny boppers! Except at their prime they were all the cute little English one... How the nostalgia for that time slipped into giving them musical prowess, is beyond me, I guess I overestimate the acumen of the human race...
As far as their contemporaries? It's all Kinks baby! Don't even mention the Liverpudlians!
Better guitarists? Well yeah! From the uk alone, jeff beck, Eric Clapton and of course JIMI, the ultimate Britt axman, even if he was American!
A note though, of the three groups mentioned Keith Richards is the Only guitarist with a distinct guitar voice, technical proficiency not withstanding. Jimmy page = walmart. Townsend? An excellent student who never found himself; the windmill guitar? All Richards' as they Both have acknowledged!
imagine the Who or the Stones showing up Zep? Rocking harder or heavier? Having more charisma? It's literally fantastic to think that Zeppelin wouldn't swagger to a blow-out win."...
Locker is that a joke? It's already happened, it's called history! The zep flat out ain't good enough! Led zep with charisma? Kieth could lasar eye stare down the lot of them, like the mashed potatoes they are!
And yeah, Dingus, my thumb is already hurting from the coming show down with Daphne's determined digits!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Sep 26, 2014 - 07:44pm PT
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I'm pretty surprised where folks are throwing down there chips in this thread. It would be terrible to lose the songs from any of these bands, even if the old curmudgeons Pete and Keith do debase themselves with their judgments. Sort of like how Ginger Baker looks like a fool in interviews, even if he was one of the most badass musicians of his day.
I tried hard to like The Who- they have a small handful of all-time classic great songs, truly on my short list of favorites, and the concept of Tommy is interesting, but by and large I find myself bored listening to most of their music. I always feel disappointed... maybe I just never tapped into the right albums or live shows?
Led Zep... they went through some stylistic changes and you can't pin them down as just a blues cover band. They started with something and took it to another level in the realm of blues and celtic acoustic stuff too and glorious mainstream rock. Nobody rocked harder at the time, and yet they weren't just hiding behind distortion and grunting/screaming like so many metal bands that came after. Sure there was plenty of heaviness, plenty of grunting/mini-O's from Plant, but look at "All of My Love" or "Kashmir" or "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You". They became an object of emulation for the next generation. Maybe its a toss-up between the Stones and Zep who has more songs that stand on their own as all-time greats. But both have quite a lot in a variety of rock flavors.
No mention yet of another guitar giant from the era who has aged with grace, has a good attitude (at least in public appearances), and is still making kick-ass new music nearly 50 years later. Like Clapton, he never strayed too far from his niche, but with such a kick-ass niche he doesn't have to stray. He's got plenty to give to the world exploring this area more deeply:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Who is still making NEW music that rocks generations 45 years apart?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Speaking of Clapton and Santana together, here's a little gem:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 26, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
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Went to an all day get down outside Seattle: Ike and Tina, Youngbloods, Spirit, Vanilla Fudge.
Then the Doors came on and it was like The Apocalypse, but in a good way. What could
possibly top them? We couldn't understand why this other band was closing. And then they
lit into 'A Whole Lotta Love' and we understood.
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goatboy smellz
climber
लघिमा
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Sep 26, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
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Jim Brennan
Rush will always be the equivalent of tooth whitening toothpaste. Technically brilliant Prog Rock but eternally stuck in the trap of your musical drain.
But, but I thought Canada was the superior culture, the last great hope for society and the rest of us were just following your lead. You guys haven't been lying to us all these years have you?
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Bob Harrington
climber
Bishop, California
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Sep 26, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
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Matter of one's taste I guess. Totally agree with Keith and Pete, but can see what people like about Led Zepplin. I just don't (didn't?) like it that much.
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Stewart Johnson
climber
lake forest
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Sep 26, 2014 - 08:07pm PT
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The Rollings Stones are actually still
Playing as a band.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2014 - 08:07pm PT
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It's the popularity that kills the two crybabies.
Zeppelin - 300 million albums sold
Who - 100 million
Stones - 200 million
Suck that Pete!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Sep 26, 2014 - 08:17pm PT
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Haha zep a monkees like band. So far off. Jimmy page put together the best musicians he could find and financed and recorded their first album on their own before they even talked to a record company. They held all the chips and demanded absolute artistic freedom from the get go. This was another huge development they ushered in. As opposed to the who who copied the kinks sound at first and the stones who covered buddy holly and were given a Beatles throwaway song as their first ''original' hit.
Have you ever learned to play Bonham or Page? .Any musician whose tried can't help but come away with massive respect.
You can trash their music all you want, it's all personal taste, but to deny their musicianship is just silly.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 26, 2014 - 08:18pm PT
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Totally with you on Santana Nut! I was thinking this was a uk show
Respectfully though, LZ was hardly, the hardest rocking group of their time! Possibly the harder rocking totally commercial sell out band. That was a time that included the Wailers, screaming Jay Hawkins, Jefferson Airplane, flying burrito brothers, quicksilver, the allman bros, Elgin bishop, Paul butterfield, the Ramones, the dead, the residents, and of course chuck berry and little Richard, all the bands that zep wanted to catch up with, and never could, except in sales.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Sep 26, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
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The only major band of their day that rocked harder than Led Zeppelin was Sabbath.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Sep 26, 2014 - 08:34pm PT
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Actually zeps sales are up there with Michael Jackson Madonna and pink Floyd. Stones are next tier down. The who is way lower.
If you combine the Beatles who are already number one with Paul McCartney the totals blow away everyone.
Hmm, Elton John. How did I miss that before. I'll have to look into tix.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 26, 2014 - 08:48pm PT
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Townshend and Richards are big babies in that they are at the point of life where they wear diapers...Nothing to be ashamed of...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 26, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
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"The best American blues cover band"?
I take it you've never heard Cream, jimi Hendrix, elvyn bishop, Darrell trucks, the jerry Garcia band, and many others...
The thing that bugs me about Zep is that they could play, and they knew the idiom and yet, they consciously chose to be the lowest common denominator, and by choice became a frat boy party band, when individually and collectivly they could each have done so much more.
That's fine, everybody has to make a living. But to compare them to real musicians is a joke.
Their best moments were aspiring to be rush, arrowsmith, journey. ( Edit, Genisis, not journey ) w/o Peter Gabriel, Styx etc. they never were Dylan, Cream, gill scott heron, Laurie Anderson, Mlles, Coltrane,Patsy Cline or any number of people who actually "Led" music into new interesting ways.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 26, 2014 - 09:07pm PT
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And, btw I finally saw those initial videos, and Pete (I'm not a who fan, walked out on them at "Who's Dead" in oakland 76) and Keith pretty much nailed my own feelings;even if they might really be, crybabies in other parts of life.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 26, 2014 - 09:11pm PT
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Sorry Jim, I maent Genisis.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Sep 26, 2014 - 09:51pm PT
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I prefer King Crimson over all three.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 26, 2014 - 10:10pm PT
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No, that is what punk rebelled against
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Sep 27, 2014 - 07:36am PT
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"Fuk off, all of ya."
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Ljohnson
Social climber
The land of ice, snow and rocks
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Sep 27, 2014 - 10:09am PT
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Gotta vote Led on this one, and not just because their music a superior.
I used to work at a hotel two blocks from a theater. Met a lot of musicians when I worked there (even got to unload Lucille from BB's bus.)
By far the nicest I ever met was Robert Plant. When people recognized him in the lobby he would invite them to a cup of coffee, pretty cool!
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Sep 27, 2014 - 10:26am PT
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You know that "Stairway" was a rip off, right?
LZ was a good band, but I think Pink Floyd blows them all away.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Sep 27, 2014 - 10:57am PT
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Methinks your "facts" are opinions, masquerading. Have a nice day.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Sep 27, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
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Zep that did not steal most everything claimed to be owned crashed and burned.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Sep 27, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
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^^ this sentence is incomprehensible to me.
I've been listening to the entire contents of my ipod on repeat this summer while doing house projects. Decades of music and nothing repeated yet. I have most Stones, all of Zep and no who whatsoever. This thread has made me realize why I'm always happy when the zep songs come on: they were the only good part of high school for me. Oh I'm a little melodramatic but i grew up in el paso tx, a wasteland. (Sorry pocoloco1).
The only song that i think of when someone mentions the who is 'teenage wasteland'. I have One indelible memory of playing that song at full volume with eight kids in a pickup going way too fast coming back from Juarez to el paso one night.
edited: I mean shuffle, I've been listening to my iPod shuffle songs, sheesh...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 27, 2014 - 05:16pm PT
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While I was being bombastic, and yeah I kinda, sorta did, play this up as a wee bit of a troll... Bob Harington pretty much nailed my own genuine feelings
Matter of one's taste I guess. Totally agree with Keith and Pete, but can see what people like about Led Zepplin. I just don't (didn't?) like it that much. Here
And yeah Daph, time and place with memories is everything. As a fourteen year old I was so taken with the Who's Tommy album, that I missed the rise and fall of Jimi Hendrix! 58 yr old me finds this perplexing, but I also bought the Jesus christ superstar album out of my paper rte money so who knows what kind of crazy sh#t I was going through back then!
There is a bunch of music I don't especially like, that I will listen towhee it comes up on the radio ( green eyed lady/sugarloaf, crocodile rock, hockey cat, midnight tower, etc) because it is evocative of my high school, questing, growing up, early sexual time.
As far as time an place goThe tom tom club will always be the back row of the lodge lot 1983...
Every big wall I've done as had its own ear worm song!
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Sep 27, 2014 - 05:29pm PT
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Zeppelin is defintely in the purple zone here. Owned every album, like everyone I knew, but anymore, meh.
Achilles' Last Stand remains awesome though.
So, I saw the Who a week after Entwistle died, and Robert Plant was the opener.
He had a new album out, but the crowd only went wild when he did Led Zep songs.
It began to visibly annoy him.
So then I went to get some beverages.
Walked out of the concession just as Pete came out on stage and said:
"Fvck off, all of ya."
It was a great show, all the great Who rage songs with no new album to promote and another bandmate to mourn.
"We decided not to dedicate songs to John anymore, because he never shows up for practice."
We ducked out near the end and watched the big Tommy finale from the parking lot.
"We are, for the time being, The Who." {puts arm around Daltry, then staggers backward, mock-clutching his chest.}
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Sep 27, 2014 - 06:28pm PT
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Yeah, I saw the same tour at the Hollywood Bowl. Definitely a great show!
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Sep 27, 2014 - 09:39pm PT
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All Good
Rolling stone Mag top 500 albums As of 2003.
7. Exile on Main Street, The Rolling Stones
28. Who's Next, The Who
29. Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin
32. Let It Bleed, The Rolling Stones
57. Beggars Banquet, The Rolling Stones
63. Sticky Fingers, The Rolling Stones
66. Led Zeppelin IV, Led Zeppelin
70. Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin
75. Led Zeppelin II, Led Zeppelin
96. Tommy, The Who
108. Aftermath, The Rolling Stones
113. The Who Sell Out, The Who
114. Out of Our Heads, The Rolling Stones
149. Houses of the Holy, Led Zeppelin
170. Live at Leeds, The Who
181. The Rolling Stones, Now!, The Rolling Stones
211. Tattoo You, The Rolling Stones
236. The Who Sings My Generation, The Who
266. Quadrophenia, The Who
269. Some Girls, The Rolling Stones
355. Between the Buttons, The Rolling Stones
383. A Quick One (Happy Jack), The Who [obscure to me]
http://www.stereogum.com/1251612/the-rolling-stones-albums-from-worst-to-best/top-stories/lead-story/attachment/exileonmainst/
Top concert attendance - most are free
includes 1.5 million at Stones at Copa beach Rio 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_concerts
little factoid I hadn't heard before from wiki, on his last night-
... Moon took 32 tablets of Heminevrin — a drug prescribed to combat his alcohol withdrawal
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Niels
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Denmark, formerly Sacramento
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Sep 30, 2014 - 12:31pm PT
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You can dance to the Stones, and some of the Who (at least the older stuff).
Kind of hard to dance to Led Zep.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2014 - 12:58pm PT
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The reasons that Led Zep was better? Reasons they were more popular?
*Consistently harder rocking.
*Better songs, regardless of thievery.
*Consistently better hooks.
*Better lead guitar.
*Better lead singer.
*Better drummer.
*Better Bass.
Other than that I can't think of many reasons. Mua ha ha ha haaaaa!!!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 30, 2014 - 01:11pm PT
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Survival, are you by any chance dyslexic? You got each of those question backwards. You wrote "best" where it should be "worst." As a special ed teacher, can I offer you a referral?
:)
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
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You wrote "best" where it should be "worst."
Yeah, uh huh. Go ahead and post me a youtube of Pete's best "lead". No, not his rhythm chops, his best lead.
Same offer for Keith the rhythm chopper part two.
Yeah, that's what I thought. MUA HA HA hahahaaaa!!!! :)
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Sep 30, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
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Well, that should settle that.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 30, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
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Yeah, uh huh. Go ahead and post me a youtube of Pete's best "lead". No, not his rhythm chops, his best lead.
A lot of the "lead" in the Who's music came from Mr. Entwistle's bass.
Did you visit Locker recently, and he accidentally locked you in his workshop with the glue cans open? That could explain your bizarre beliefs about music. Well, temporary delusions, not beliefs, because once you recover from the glue hallucinations, you'll probably become rational again.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
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Yes, I know that AuntWhistle did a lot of lead stuff, but it wasn't John badmouthing Zeppelin, therefore my disdain for Pete the baby at the moment.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Sep 30, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
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Paul McCartney is above Les Claypool and Victor Wooten is number 10? Looks like the readers don't know what they are talking about.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Sep 30, 2014 - 06:02pm PT
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I'm a little late to the party and maybe too young to know better, but what Bout the velvet underground and bob Dylan. I think they influenced more of my generations bands than all of the above. Also the dead continued on to become immensely popular and continued touring regularly to audiences young and old for many years after which the British rockers only did mega reunion tours that were basically for old rich guys at 5-10 times the ticket price. If I had to pick o e of the three to see though it would LZ.
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drljefe
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El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Sep 30, 2014 - 06:08pm PT
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Zeppelin smokes the Who and the Stones.
It's pretty f*#king simple.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
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Plus 1 for Jefe!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 30, 2014 - 07:26pm PT
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You guys are the ones who must be smoking something.... Just sayin'
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 30, 2014 - 08:12pm PT
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therefore my disdain for Pete the baby at the moment.
It's okay little brother. The effect of the glue wll wear off in a month or so, and none of us will hold anything you say in the meantime against you.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Speaking of Townsend look-alikes
I've heard that once or twice before... (:
When I had shoulder-length hair back in my Valley days I got even more comments
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Zep that did not steal most everything claimed to be owned crashed and burned.
Not incomprehensible, just incomplete. Just try typing on an iPhone, I dare ya.
The Zeppelin that did not gain it's reputation by appropriating the work of others as their own, crashed and burned. Perhaps this one should too.
I still listen to the band though.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Well, yeah.
Had a party in maybe 78 or 79, and we got the idea that it would be fun to play some Zeppelin albums really loud at the 78 rpm setting. Pretty funny, all good fun, then a friend came over and said maybe we should stop, cause it was really offending some people. Looked over through the haze and saw a couple of dudes I didn't know shooting daggers out of their eyes at us. We were profaning their holiest of holies, it seems. But it was our house, heh. Eventually they left.
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MisterE
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Great troll Bruce! ;)
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