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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 11, 2014 - 12:07pm PT
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Hey, Ron, I have it on gud authority that the USFS paid a pro hunter to shoot
a Puma and her kitten because she was preying on Mt Sheep. That kinda
pisses me off.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 11, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
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Ron, if you are defending shooting dog treed mountain lions you are way off base. Any so called "sportsman" who does so is a ball less piece of shite in my book.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Sep 11, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
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California law guarantees mismangement of California mountain lions and all wildlife connected with them. But go ahead, criticize those who point out the law's stupidity.
John
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 11, 2014 - 12:18pm PT
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"STFU, idiot."
+1!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 11, 2014 - 12:28pm PT
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 11, 2014 - 02:49pm PT
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Ron, please cite the actual laws broken and include details on why the law applies to state agencies
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Sep 11, 2014 - 03:11pm PT
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Oh look, it's a Ron "read about something that doesn't jive with his interpretation of how things outta be and it matters especially more because it happened in California" threads.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Sep 11, 2014 - 03:16pm PT
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Christ, just stay out in the sticks and go stuff something.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Sep 11, 2014 - 03:18pm PT
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Ron,
Are you arguing that LEO's should be required to follow ALL of the laws us peons have to follow? Maybe not allow LEO's to type on their computers while driving?
I figured a former LEO would understand the difference between hunting, and performing an official duty. Maybe y'all really are as slow witted as I I thought...
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Sep 11, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
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Ron,
Ever read the Fish & Game Regulations for hunting with dogs in California? I didn't think so. Maybe sober up, read the definition of irony and the regulations, and get back to us, m'kay?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 11, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
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"Then i just sit back and watch panties go straight up buttcracks with all manner of interpretations. "
Boy, if that ain't about as close to admission that you are a troll, I don't know what is.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Sep 11, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
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It was a California Fish and Game official who shot the lion. Under Fish and Game Regulation 265(b)(3), they are allowed to do that, even though dogs have been outlawed for as#@&%es like you and your idiot hunting friends.
265(b)(3) Take of Depredating Mammals. The use of dogs is permitted for pursuing/taking depredating mammals by federal and county animal damage control officers or by permittees authorized under a depredation permit issued by the department.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 11, 2014 - 03:55pm PT
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Holy sh#t...
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/lion/lion_faq.html
My questions were answered here...
1. Are mountain lions protected or endangered in California?
Answer: Mountain lions are not threatened nor endangered in California. In fact, the lion population is relatively high in California and their numbers appear to be stable. Mountain lions are legally classified as "specially protected species". This has nothing to do with their relative abundance and does not imply that they are rare.
2. When might a forest worker need to shoot a mountain lion?
Answer: Under the CDFW's Public Safety Wildlife Guidelines, an animal is deemed to be a public safety threat if there is “a likelihood of human injury based on the totality of the circumstances.” Factors that are considered include the lion's behavior and its proximity to schools, playgrounds and other public gathering places. The determination of whether an animal is a public safety threat is made by the CDFW or local law enforcement personnel on the scene.
Oh.... so...
3. what is ron blathering on about?
//Answer: I personally think this is the reason, here...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mountain-lion-suspected-of-attacking-boy-killed-in-california/
CUPERTINO, Calif. -- Wildlife officials in Northern California shot and killed a mountain lion Wednesday and say they are virtually certain it is the one that attacked a 6-year-old boy along a hiking trail three days earlier.
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ok....
4. Then what do "they" do when they find a mountain lion to be a public safety threat?
The CDFW or law enforcement personnel on scene will secure the area, then locate and kill the offending animal as soon as possible. The CDFW does not relocate mountain lions that are a threat to public safety.
ok ron....
Where is your question coming from again?
Are you upset that an innocent mountain lion has been dispatched?
Are you upset that a rule has been broken in your eye's and you really only want justice? ... and for what purpose?
Hope this clears up why I think this post/thread should be on the first world issues thread...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 11, 2014 - 03:57pm PT
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CA Irony
Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
"Then i just sit back and watch panties go straight up buttcracks with all manner of interpretations."
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crankster
Trad climber
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Sep 11, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
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^^^^
+1
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Sep 11, 2014 - 04:01pm PT
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Apparently, in California, it's not against the law to feed the trolls.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 11, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
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What is ironic is "I-Ron-A" set out BAIT and caught something--he wasn't really trolling his bait, either. It was just sitting there!
"So, Mister Woods Pig, you placed these baits yourself, with no help. Why did you choose to do so with no permit from the Federal Government, or even a current NV sucker-fishing license?," asked Judge Wapner.
"And will you kindly explain why you used a bag of mountain lion jerky for bait. Everyone knows that's the worst crap imaginable next to eating your own sh!t."
"Well, your honor..."
"Enough of this! I'm taking all your plusses and dumping them in the Taco Toilet and you'll have to start fresh. If you ever get caught actually trolling, the sh!t's really gonna hit the ban. Next case, bailiff."
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Sep 11, 2014 - 04:33pm PT
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//Boy, if that ain't about as close to admission that you are a troll, I don't know what is.
+1
Second look edit.
You mention how there was only one who you think took the the question seriously..... Who happened to agree with you...... right?
California law guarantees mismangement of California mountain lions and all wildlife connected with them. But go ahead, criticize those who point out the law's stupidity.
John //
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 11, 2014 - 04:38pm PT
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Trolling's too much like aid climbing to be really fun.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 11, 2014 - 04:44pm PT
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Folks on the right tend to equate rational thought with belief. Then again most on the right have faith based beliefs that they hold sacrosanct regardless of the fact that a belief based on faith is not a belief based on rational thought.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 11, 2014 - 05:04pm PT
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And the blame goes to:
Decoying California Infrastructure!
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Typewriters and Ledges
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Sep 11, 2014 - 05:05pm PT
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without canine assistance, there would harldly be ANY, repeat ANY mt lions killed. And those populations would be so enormous that all other wildlife including hikers would be decimated.
Just felt this needed to be quoted for posterity.
The best way to be a troll is to do the following:
1. Be authentic and real in your posts
2. People point out that you're so completely clueless and inflammatory that you must be a troll.
3. Accept that your persona is perceived as a troll and separate yourself from that persona in your mind.
4. All posts against your authentic and real perceptions are reflected off the persona
5. ???
6. Profit.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 11, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
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CA Irony
Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
"Then i just sit back and watch panties go straight up buttcracks with all manner of interpretations."
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 11, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
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Ron - Given your inability to grasp the most basic legal principles, I have a hard time believing that you were actually in law enforcement. Please post up a picture of your badge and a uniform jacket with your name embroidered on it.
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Typewriters and Ledges
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Sep 11, 2014 - 06:08pm PT
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You actually think Ron would have actually been able to get a newfangled gadget like a camera to work back then?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 11, 2014 - 07:09pm PT
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"Its just trolling, no big....."
Nice to see that you Rong's threads as exactly what they are intended to be.
Attention getting trolls.
I'm not sure everyone agrees they are no big deal...many probably see them as space-wasting POS.
Carry on, ST.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 11, 2014 - 07:20pm PT
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I don't care if you like Rong or not, DMT. I like you.
If you can point me towards a similar history of my own trolling threads (or anyone else at a similar scale), I'd be much obliged.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Sep 11, 2014 - 07:30pm PT
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http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2372810/An-apology-to-ST-Forum-Members
Here you go
Yeah...you're right about that, Ryan. I'd like to apologize to all other users of this Forum who have been impacted by my role in this shitshow. Ron's posting behavior may be over the line, but it was my choice to respond to it the way that I have, and for all other users, it has only doubled the negativity that Ron projects.
I’ve got lots of other views on what constitutes ‘harassment’, ‘stalking’, making physical threats towards others, seeking & posting of personal information for vindictive purposes, personal privacy & avatar names…but they are separate issues from the simple fact that my response to Ron since last Fall has negatively & selfishly impacted others here. I will save those views for other threads, and allow this one to focus on the regret I have for my role in increasing the negative experience for others.
Any criticism that has been leveled regarding this kind of sh#t getting waaaay out of perspective, is well-deserved. I appreciate this Forum, and almost all of the people who contribute to it, even the harshest detractors have something to teach me about interacting with others in this world. Most reasonable persons would say it’s pretty silly to hold an internet forum in such regard, but it’s just plain true.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 11, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
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That's a 'trolling' thread, huh?
M'kay....
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Sep 11, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
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Folks on the right tend to equate rational thought with belief. Then again most on the right have faith based beliefs that they hold sacrosanct regardless of the fact that a belief based on faith is not a belief based on rational thought.
you know, there's this guy -- call him "kraagster" -- who posts on this board -- call it "Burrito Supremo", who surely will be keenly interested to read this opinion
but he's a a bit of a sycophant, so my guess is he'll bite his tongue
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 11, 2014 - 08:49pm PT
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jonny, you're a good guy.
I'm backing off of this one. For now.
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grover
climber
Northern Mexico
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Sep 11, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
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Once a tool
Always a ..........
locker style
tool
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 12, 2014 - 05:34am PT
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My son Scott and his wife Jenny just joined the Merced Breakfast Lions chapter...
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Sep 12, 2014 - 06:28am PT
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Hey Ron they have had a mt lion hunting season in the black hills for about 8 tears now and dogs are not allowed and the limit is reached almost every year, and I believe at least 35 was the limit some years. So your statement that almost no mt lions would be killed is obviously not true.
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frank wyman
Mountain climber
montana
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Sep 12, 2014 - 08:05am PT
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Our city kills domestic, urbanized deer by the dozens. But they give the meat to the various shelters and food programs so it is not wasted. Otherwise the town would be overran with deer. Alot of car crashes and dammage/ winter starvation is avoided...
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Sep 12, 2014 - 11:44am PT
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Ron the rule that allows dogs may have just changed, but I don't believe that's the case in the Black Hills where the majority of the mountain lions are and have been hunted. I would agree with you that it's amazing how many there are and there still seems to be lots around still after the hunting of at least a couple of hundred in the the South Dakota Black Hills over the last decade. One was just shot one in lead that was eating a raccoon in somebody's backyard where there were young kids living. Mt. Lions must multiply like rabbits when there's not much competition. I believe they uped the quota this year but I think last year was the first year they never met the quota.
I can guarantee you though that most of the lions that have been taken over the last decade was done without dogs at least by hunters. I would guess the law-enforcement isn't quite so skilled.
I have seen more in the last 5 years than I have over the previous 15 years which was zero. i have seen them about 5 or 6 times in the last several years.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Sep 12, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
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You can totally eat big cat.
http://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/prevguid/m0040621/m0040621.asp
Watch for the trichinosis though.
// On March 3, 1995, the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare received a report from the North Central District Health Department (NCDHD) of trichinellosis in a man residing in Idaho County, Idaho (1994 population: 14,938). This report summarizes the epidemiologic and laboratory investigations of this index case and the related outbreak by NCDHD, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), and CDC.
During the second week of January, the index patient shot and killed a cougar (Felis concolor) near Elk City, Idaho. During January 15-18, he prepared jerky from the cougar meat by first soaking the meat in a brine solution made from table salt, then smoking the meat; however, he later reported the smoker never became more than warm. During the next 4 weeks, he distributed the meat to 14 other persons, all of whom ate the meat within days to 1 month after receipt. //
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Sep 12, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
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DMT when did you get stalked? I would imagine that had to be fairly scary. I have always maintained that it is not the one that you see that will get you. I am not a hunter, but i am not totally opposed. Seems like a lot of people want them other peoples back yards, but not necessarily theirs. Lets have a little reintroduction program on Manhatten as I am sure that was part of their natural range, and wolves too. Also part of the problem is that they were hunted to zero population in many areas and now the population has rebounded so greatly that everything is now out of wack.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 12, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
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California wildlife officials confirmed Friday that a mountain lion they shot and killed is the same one that attacked a 6-year-old boy on a hiking trail.
DNA testing on the slain mountain lion was completed late Thursday as results also determined the big cat didn't have rabies or any other diseases, said Lt. Patrick Foy, a California Fish and Wildlife spokesman.
"Yes, indeed it was the cat. We are 100 percent certain," Foy said. "Our primary concern was that it may have rabies, but it did not. It was pretty healthy."
After four days of scouring rugged terrain, searchers and dogs surrounded the 74-pound, 2-year-old mountain lion in a 70-foot tree Wednesday before killing it about 130 yards from the attack site on a trail near the Silicon Valley city of Cupertino. Officials defended the decision to kill the juvenile cat instead of trying to bring it in alive because it was deemed a threat to public safety, said state wildlife spokeswoman Janice Mackey. It was a juvenile male.
The Bay Area Puma Project, through GPS collars, has proven that young males are driven out of the territories of adult males. This attack was right on the edge of the open space preserve. He was likely very hungry.
Although certainly a very nasty incident for the boy and fellow hikers, this is in fact very rare in California.
Whatever "irony" Ron sees in this story is in his own head.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 12, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
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it is not the one that you see that will get you. I've seen two in the past two years. One a big male at 11:00 at night at 30 yards and one a young cat about 60-70 lbs midday. Neither attacked me. They avoided me.
I continue to walk in the woods at all hours without fear.
I fear the heavy caliber weapons shooters down the canyon more. I've got more chance of being hit by one of their stray rounds.
Like the ones that likely fired off a propane tank on Tuesday and burned down a house and garage. One ridge and a little over a mile from my place.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Sep 12, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
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^^^agreed. I don't worry about myself, But used to worry about my kids a lot going out in the woods when they were small. I also think the Black Hills where I live is a lot different environment than the bigger mountains out west and there are more houses out in the woods around here and we need to learn to coexist a little better.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 12, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
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As usual, anti-Americans like Rong and John E deliberately misquote the law.
The law says:
The bill would exempt from that prohibition the use of dogs by federal, state, or local law enforcement officers, or their agents or employees, when carrying out official duties as required by law.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201120120SB1221
Of course, they may not know that, because they are used to the sloppy lawmaking (when it happens) that we get from Repugs.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Sep 12, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
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He's not interested in facts, only content-less sensationalism.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Sep 12, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
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Aggressive cat attacks kid in front of family. Family defends attack. Kid hurt but will recover.
F & W tracks cat, cat bad, gotta go, shot.
If attackers increase in frequency, things will happen.
Otherwise, since they are extremely rare, life goes on.
No irony, nothing.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Sep 12, 2014 - 07:33pm PT
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Coulda been Alaska. Aggressive Mama Bear goes haywire looking for recognition.
Who let the dawgs out?
The Palin family was asked to leave the party after Track Palin, 21, attacked another party guest who had previously dated his younger sister, Willow Palin, Thompson said.
“I heard Sarah Palin yell do you know who I am? All of us could not believe it. We thought we were watching an episode of Jerry Springer,” he added.
Anyway, fukkin'A right. All hunters, whether professional or amateur, should be able to waterboard, without regard to race, religion, or governmental affiliation.
Can I sic my Yorkie on a rat underneath the house? Ratdawg on, MF.
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thebravecowboy
climber
strugglin' to make time to climb
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Sep 12, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
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hikers would be decimated
pure comedy
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crankster
Trad climber
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Sep 12, 2014 - 07:41pm PT
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Oh man, a drunk Palin family. Now that"s a dangerous situation.
"They should have" is easy to say. The cat was up 70' in a tree. They're not going to send someone up or wait around long, aware it could escape. I love the beasts, never want to have a run in with one, but feel this was justified upder the circumstance.
You can try to make it some bigger statement about "Big Govenment Run Amuk", that's what right-wingers do, but you're wrong, as usual.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Sep 12, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
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So why oh why did they choose to hunt him down with dogs, tree him and then shoot his arse.
Admittedly I haven't read the thread, but was it a Negro?
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Sredni Vashtar
Social climber
out in front
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Sep 12, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
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HT, what gun range allows high power rifle shooting near you? Los Altos certainly doesnt.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Sep 12, 2014 - 11:17pm PT
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Well mike, according to South Dakota regs, dogs may be used in most areas of the state for the hunting of Mtn lions.. and the quota listed is 75 lions per season..I believe that was changed in 2012 or 13.
The quota applies only within the Black Hills National Forest
There are no limits outside of the hills for residents only and is year round.
The use of hunting mountain lions with dogs within the Black Hills Nation Forest is illegal.
Dogs are allowed within Custer State Park where almost 8% are harvested.
The overwhelming amout of cats harvested (near 90%) in SD are taken within the national forest without the use of dogs.
Dogs may be used outside of these two places with a special permit.
i hope you realize that without canine assistance, there would harldly be ANY, repeat ANY mt lions killed. And those populations would be so enormous that all other wildlife including hikers would be decimated
Wrong, as usual.
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Sep 13, 2014 - 12:06am PT
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2 wrongs don't make a right.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Sep 13, 2014 - 10:32am PT
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You had the link earlier when you told Mike about our regs here in SD.
You aren't interested in digging into the link you had earlier since it will just show your wrong, same with your sweeping statement of lions in your state being different.
Grasping at straws as usual.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Sep 13, 2014 - 11:30am PT
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Well Johnboy im glad you have a crystal ball. as i do not.
But ill tell you this,, that there must have been a reason why your governor apporved the use of dogs in hunting lions in your state. And im 100% sure those reasons came from your wildlife mngmt of the state.
But as far as MY state goes, and i have 46 years of being involved in the wildlife mngmt goings on, and know and have known just about every game warden in the state, ill just laugh at your all encompassing comments
You have the crystal ball, you made the sweeping statement.
Does the Governor tell the GF&P how to hunt lions?
Still to lazy to only bring partial supporting facts to light and not look up the whole picture?
Since your going to play LEB here, I'll replay it for you ma'am.
Dogs are only allowed outside of the national forest with special permits, if you want to dig into to it, you won't since you don't want to hear it, those permits are almost exclusively used for lions that are problematic.
You can dance all day if you wish, the facts are that 90% of the lions taken in SD are done without dogs.
Change what ever you need to to make your outrageous claims fit into your ears LEB, change whatever meanings you want so you can laugh, by yourself.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 15, 2014 - 03:28pm PT
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what gun range allows high power rifle shooting near you? Los Altos certainly doesnt You're correct.
It's private landowners/squatters down in Deliverance country about a mile below my house.
yeah, Deliverance country right here in good ole Santa Cruz county.
CalFire won't go in those private roads without a Sheriff escort.
And the Sheriff generally won't go in unless there's a fire.
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