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throwpie
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 7, 2014 - 03:14pm PT
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HOLY SH#T!
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Last monday I saw a fire back there and was wondering about it.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Holy Crap! Keeping my fingers crossed...
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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OH NNNNNOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Wow. This is very bad.
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Bad Climber
climber
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Damn. Was there any lightning, or is this another moron fire?
And the West will burn.
BAd
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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adikted
Boulder climber
Tahooooeeeee
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Left tuolumne this mornin and had no idea there was this fire..we saw little fires from the top of cathedral a few days ago but nothing of this magnitude...damn
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bob
climber
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Meadow Fire Yosemite National Park
Little Yosemite Valley
A *MANAGED* natural burn in Little Yosemite Valley broke the natural barriers and has grown to 400 acres today. They are flying crews in to get around this guy. Yosemite Manages their fires, this fire started mid-August from lightning.
Normally Yosemite is a retardant exclusion zone, but they are allowing the tankers to fly on this fire.
Official Information: http://goo.gl/qvPqGj
Group photo album: http://goo.gl/8Zrfc7 *New thing, feel free to post there*
Webcams showing smoke: http://goo.gl/1AS4eU
[YubaNet] http://goo.gl/NvAytT
Yosemite Fire Update September 4, 2014 Update #17 - Yosemite National Park (U.S. National Park...
goo.gl
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Looks like right around bunnell point/ moraine dome.
Damn
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Dramatic. In a few years, this fire will also be forgotten. The new landscape (or canvas) is just getting a fresh coat.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Managed fire became an unmanaged fire; oops! didn't that happen in foresta a few years ago. Maybe managed fires during drought/dry season shouldn't happen.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Have heard that around 100 hikers have been removed by helicopter. Wow. Wonder how many copters involved?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sure hope everyone is safe up there.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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shit sh#t shit! my plans up thata ways next weekend are in jeopardy. what can i do to help put it out? i know a good rain dance ...
Nope, your plans are cancelled. Be a good citizen and stay out of the area and don't add to the firefighter problems.....
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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from Stately Pleasure Dome...
from Olmstead Point 20 minutes later
looking east
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Gearhead
Trad climber
Novato Ca
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Descended Tenaya Canyon Sat/Sun. There was a fatality on Sat on the first steep descent, then Sun was spent watching the sky above the canyon fill with smoke. For a while it was like twilight at midday. Made a tough day even more stressful.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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^^^Good shots, Ed. Thanks. I'm sittin' here all "appalled" & humbled by how fast this spread. (Thanks, Mr. Drought. I hope you enjoy your date with Ma Nature.)
Good times, bad times,
Yo-ha-mi-te's had it's share.
Smokey is a-prowlin'
And a-growlin' at the air.
It's nature's way of receiving you
It's nature's way of retrieving you
It's nature's way of telling you
Something's wrong
--Spirit, Nature's Way
Nothin's really "wrong" with fire in the backcountry.
It's a "normal" event and has been since the world began.
WHERE DO WE HUMANS, ALL OF US TOURISTS ON THIS EARTH, FIT IN?
I can't answer that in a facile manner. It's an important question, though. But this fire is a directly-caused event made possible by NPS' policy of letting burns go on, which seems an enlightened one, until we hear of this kind of thing and the thing that happened several years ago and burned from Foresta to the Tuulumne Meadows road.
HOW MUCH ARE OUR PIDDLIN' "PLANS" WORTH IN THE END?
Not a heck of a lot, it seems, when Natures 'way' goes contrary to our plans and policies.
Life and nature are like a box of chocolates, eh?
And so it goes.
I won't say "Good luck." What I do say is that I hope no one gets injured.
Are there any plans to close Glacier Point Road?
Forrest Fire Gump says,
"I'm not sorry I had to light in the middle of your Back Country party."
Aside to scrubbin' bubbles, you crack me up and I'm with you when you call 'em "ying yangs."
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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It's raining a little there now which should help things out.
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Andrew F
Trad climber
Sunnyvale, CA
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Descended Tenaya Canyon Sat/Sun. There was a fatality on Sat on the first steep descent, then Sun was spent watching the sky above the canyon fill with smoke. For a while it was like twilight at midday. Made a tough day even more stressful.
Anybody have info on the fatality? I descended Tenaya on Saturday. We met a bunch of folks on the bus who were going down it too.
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Gearhead
Trad climber
Novato Ca
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I did not recognize the persons partner from the bus. It looked like from where the CHP helicopter was hovering,that they had gone down an area near the Steep Slab descent, skiers left of where we went down.
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skitch
climber
East of Heaven
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I was climbing with a toulumne sar guy, he got the call about the hiker around 3:30 on Saturday.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Back to the fire.
I was driving down 49 yesterday through Columbia and saw a CalFire fixed wing tanker taking off and heading southeast. Wondered where he was going.
I didn't see any smoke from anywhere along Hwy 49 as far south as Coulterville.
EDIT: re-read an earlier post. Is a managed natural fire that got away. Mother Nature gets her way again.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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very windy yesterday, bailed off our climbing itinerary (such as it was) early because of the strong gusts...
the fire went from a wisp of smoke to a huge tower in a matter of hours...
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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A controlled burn/management fire in September of a really bad drought year?
YGBSM! (you gotta be sh**ing me) NOT a controlled burn. It was a naturally occurring fire (lightning) that they decided to let burn which is there policy and is a good one. Why would they decide to stop those in drought years? That's when they were most prevalent before man started interfering. The real question should be, "Why have they decided to intervene now?"
egit:khanom beat me to it
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Damn Supertopo downsampling... I'll need to just wait to upload my pics elsewhere before linking to them here.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Of course I'm an internet speculator... but it would be interesting to know the reasoning behind it. Good question. Backcountry traveler safety?
September is prime back country season and of course this is directly threatening the JMT.
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Fletcher
Gym climber
A very quiet place
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Mother Nature gets her way again.
This mom is pulling way more than her share. Where the heck is Father Nature? Never heard a peep out of the guy all these years... asleep on the couch watching some ball game? Dad needs to shape up and start pulling his weight.
;-)
Hope everyone involved stays safe. Stuff's gonna burn at some point!
Eric
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I'm not a fire guy, but my thoughts:
Managing natural fires involves some constraints in what a fire is allowed to do. It would be a large leap of thinking to believe that at this point the fire is being managed. It is out of control, and so, needs to be brought back under control.
There is also a political aspect to this: thinking back to the huge fire in Yellowstone, if this fire were to cause big-time damage (even if only to the forest) through spreading, careers would end, the Park Service would have egg on it's face.
So, full-court press.
Why do they have 9 tankers? Because they couldn't get 10.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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it was not me!
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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it's getting doused pretty good now by ma nature.
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Adamame
climber
Santa Cruz
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2700 acres now
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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I bomb the blamers and the flamers.
I'm Tanker 911.
I send them all to hell, for sure.
They'll never get to heaven.
Hooray for cloudy weather today!
But it's clearing
And it may not last...
They'd better catch up to it
And do it fast.
--Warrant Teddy
edit: Moosie, go up there and drool on the f!cker, OK? And pick me up on the way! :0)
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Eighty-five hikers and climbers were also evacuated from the summit of Half Dome by helicopters from the California Highway Patrol, US Department of Agriculture Forest Service, Sequoia & Kings Canyon National Parks, and CAL FIRE. Doggone it, I've always wanted a helicopter ride.
Just not in a sling.
Good rain map. At least it's not accompanied by any significant lightning.
And please, Mother Nature, send some of that wet stuff over this way. (not at all likely)
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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we spotted hikers on top of the Clouds Rest summit while all this was going on... I suspect the target of the fire suppression drops was to divert the fire from the hiking trail area, I have no way of knowing that...
there were two spotter aircraft and many tanker runs, one spectacular one (sorry no shot, but you'd have needed a telephoto) where two laid down their load one after the other, and then pulled out, one banking left, the other right as seen from Olmstead Pt.
wild stuff...
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john hansen
climber
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In this day and age, some one must have got some footage from the top while the evacuations were happening.
Been checking Y tube but only news clips so far.
That would be a cool ride..
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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PYRO.... it was not me!
Ha.... not this time.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Yes! Its the universal dream of climbers to have a helo
arrive to fly us down and avoid the walk back
to the vehicle.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Similar to dave729 picture....NPS photo
scary )-;
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KabalaArch
Trad climber
Starlite, California
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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
PYRO....
it was not me!
Ha.... not this time.
One of several recruited Scott Burk belay slaves for “The Fast Lane” SW Face of Half Dome...carrying water, mostly. 6 gallons up between Liberty and Broderick; the Scottie clipped on another 2 gallons he had stashed at the base of the final approach slabs. I think this was July.
The bivi ledge made it worthwhile. It extended out horizontally from the death manzanita of the shoulder; there was a cave formed by this huge flake leaning up against the wall. It was wide enough for us to build campfires from the abundant dead fall.
For grins one night Scottie kicks the still-burning logs and bonfire embers off the ledge.
Like a miniature Fire Fall, the sparks and cinders cascaded in an unbroken freefall, 400 feet.
We thought this was pretty funny, at least for the first 10 minutes or so, until it began to appear as if a fire had been started, and was beginning to spread both uphill and downhill, right along the base of the wall. We'd managed to land a firebrand in the debris of dry tinder and branches, the net accumulation of season upon season just waiting for an ignition spark.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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What the heck is gonna burn on Half Dome?
Except for some smoke now and then I'd think it would be a safe place.
Did they get up there while the fire was burning?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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I'm anxiously awaiting the sun to come up there so I can check the webcams. Anyone have an update of the smoke factor in the Valley? I'm catching a 7 am flight to Fresno on Thursday!
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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I was climbing Grand Teton one day, and there was a fire in SW Yellowstone about 20 miles north. In the early morning there wasn't much smoke. As the day warmed up, the fire really got going and a huge column of smoke was visible. Looked like a damn volcano.
Hopefully this one won't kill anybody.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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I'm literally F5ing this damn web cam all morning. Anyone on the Valley floor that can speak to how bad the smoke is?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Yeah I can see the pics. I'm just curious about how tolerable it is from someone who is actually there. Thanks though.
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WBraun
climber
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Don't over dramatize this by looking at a web cam or photo.
It's nothing.
I've been here when you couldn't see farther than a 100 yards.
But of course during that time the whole valley was closed and evacuated.
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WBraun
climber
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But Werner is a he-man and a smoker and not deterred by such things...
I don't smoke ....
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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looks like just another day of valley camp fires to me....I will personally be glad when fires in the valley are eliminated, other than controlled burns and lightning such as this.
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David D.
Trad climber
California
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I'm camped in Lower Pines, and the smoke wasn't as bad on the Valley floor as the webcams made it out to be. By around 1pm it was mainly clear. Splitter blue skies and clear air right now!
Also, the most recent update:
http://www.nps.gov/yose/blogs/Meadow-Fire-Update-and-Safety-Closures.htm
They mention Half Dome being closed and then went on to list Snake Dike and NW Face as well, to leave little doubt. The picture they post of trail/area closures also looks to include Matthes Crest and Tenaya Peak.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 10, 2014 - 01:30am PT
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The boys are back in town.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 10, 2014 - 06:45am PT
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So what's the latest status report?
What's the smoke like up in Tuolumne, specifically up around Conness?
There was one pic posted by Ed H. where the smoke column seemed to be headed directly to Conness.
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Tork
climber
Yosemite
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Sep 10, 2014 - 06:52am PT
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Yesterday the Meadows were beautiful, clear with perfect temps.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Sep 10, 2014 - 07:05am PT
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Thanks Tork.
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David D.
Trad climber
California
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Sep 10, 2014 - 03:19pm PT
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More smoke in the Valley this morning, more than yesterday. Took a little bit longer to dissipate. Word from the meadows was that it was starting to get smokey early this afternoon; don't know if it is still that way...
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msiddens
Trad climber
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Sep 10, 2014 - 07:35pm PT
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Amazing pictures but the cost!!!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Sep 10, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
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The cost????
Fire ecology is concerned with the processes linking the natural incidence of fire in an ecosystem and the ecological effects of this fire. Many ecosystems, particularly prairie, savanna, chaparral and coniferous forests, have evolved with fire as a necessary contributor to habitat vitality and renewal. Many plant species in naturally fire-affected environments require fire to germinate, establish, or to reproduce. Wildfire suppression not only eliminates these species, but also the animals that depend upon them. Finally, fire suppression can lead to the build-up of flammable debris and the creation of less frequent but much larger and more destructive wildfires.
Campaigns in the United States have historically molded public opinion to believe that wildfires are always harmful to nature. This view is based on the outdated belief that ecosystems progress toward an equilibrium and that any disturbance, such as fire, disrupts the harmony of nature. More recent ecological research has shown, however, that fire is an integral component in the function and biodiversity of many natural habitats, and that the organisms within these communities have adapted to withstand, and even to exploit, natural wildfire. More generally, fire is now regarded as a 'natural disturbance', similar to flooding, wind-storms, and landslides, that has driven the evolution of species and controls the characteristics of ecosystems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fire_ecology
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Sep 10, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
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from this AM
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Sep 10, 2014 - 10:54pm PT
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hey there say, mouse... wow, what a photo...
say, wish they were lined up for that mexican food restaurant, there, in the pic, instead for a nasty fire, :(
prayers for our firemen...
thanks for all the updates, folks...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 12, 2014 - 12:19am PT
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Tombstones of Little Yosemite.One of our finest, Chief Donny.
He's sorry about having to ban folks from the fire escapes at the Tioga, but he's just doin' his job. "Just don't get caught, Mouse, or I might have to cut yer other thumb off as punishment."
Ha Ha, Donny.
Ha the Ha Ha Ha. :0)
Notice how clean are those Cal Fire trucks. Donny said, and all firemen realize, equipment has to be cleaned right away so that they're ready for the next call-out. It's a point of pride, like takin' care of yer ride if yer a cowboy: just gotta do it, so git 'er done, then we'll all set down & feed ourselves.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 12, 2014 - 04:47am PT
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The view from Castleton yesterday was as hazy as I've ever seen, especially in yosrmites direction. Can the smoke travel that far?
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