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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2014 - 05:02am PT
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Randizzy,
where'd up pull this text from??
Out of your A?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 13, 2014 - 08:53am PT
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Not sure I'd want to know. There isn't much that can be done about it.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 13, 2014 - 09:28am PT
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Locker..I thought you were still in Montana...? rj
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 13, 2014 - 09:32am PT
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Well, if this test works and it isn't documented on yer chart then you could take out a long
term care policy without anybody, read the insurance company, being the wiser.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 13, 2014 - 10:03am PT
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"Locker..I thought you were still in Montana...?"
Who is Montana?
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Jul 13, 2014 - 10:04am PT
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That's interesting, because I have never been to Montana...
Maybe you've forgotten.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2014 - 10:44am PT
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Randizzie,
You failed to notice that I misspropelled you name.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jul 13, 2014 - 11:15am PT
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Huh?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 13, 2014 - 11:39am PT
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Locker...Did you ever find Prod's shoes...? rj
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 13, 2014 - 12:32pm PT
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Locker....WTF..? My thermostat has a watch...Back to work...rj
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Jul 14, 2014 - 01:41am PT
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There isn't much that can be done about it.
Drinking beer helps. (Not kidding.)
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 14, 2014 - 08:04am PT
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What? You guys never heard of the Alzheimers onsight?
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Branscomb
Trad climber
Lander, WY
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Jul 14, 2014 - 08:11am PT
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There is a short article in the recent Scientific American that researches think that Alzheimer's may be a late onset Down's Syndrome. Apparently the plaques in the brain that are diagnostic of Alzheimer's are extremely similar to those found in Down's Syndrome patients. Down's Syndrome is associated with an extra chromosome 21 and researchers speculate that some people are prone to manufacture more chromosome 21s as they age for some obscure genetic reason.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jul 14, 2014 - 08:15am PT
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A long term study with Catholic nuns found that you could predict Alzheimer's by a person's writing style in their 20's. The more complicated and convoluted the sentence structure, the less likely to get Alzheimer's.
Which would indicate a lot of people on ST are in danger and those who post one line insults are the best candidates. :)
Edit:
This could also tie in with Down's syndrome and retardation, simplistic thinking and writing.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 14, 2014 - 02:49pm PT
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How old were you when you started publishing your guidebooks Dingus? Do we have a sample of your writing in your 20's?
You've always sounded undemented ( if sometimes feisty) to me! But I'm a special Ed teacher....
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Jul 14, 2014 - 02:57pm PT
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"I'd like to sprinkle you on my bananas ..."
the last words my mother ever said to me .... she lived 6 more years.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jul 14, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
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locker wrote,
Spending time with them is very strange.....
locker, what do suppose its like for them with you?
: )
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Jul 14, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
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^^^^^ WORD!
wait......who posted that?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 14, 2014 - 06:22pm PT
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Jan...Those Catholic nuns also said if we learned to read we wouldn't have to dig ditches for a living...Lying sacks of shizz...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, ... i just heard from an old friend, that their family took this friend, to a test for alzheimer's...
the friend is not noticing any changers, but apparently the friend's one son, did notice...
i don't know if the son lives with the friend or not, or, what triggered any of this...
does anyone here, have a family or friend, that went through the test and
really did need to be concerned about this,
or--can it be a person's test-taking ability can get in the way...??
thanks for any information that you can give me...
EDIT... i just found this...
http://alzheimers.about.com/od/testsandprocedures/a/What-Is-The-Alzheimers-Disease-Assessment-Scale-Cognitive-Subscale.htm?utm_term=alzheimers%20disease%20test&utm_content=p1-main-5-title&utm_medium=sem&utm_source=msn&utm_campaign=adid-bc81a092-4232-478d-8c54-5676a4562fef-0-ab_msb_ocode-29571&ad=semD&an=msn_s&am=broad&q=alzheimers%20disease%20test&dqi=&o=29571&l=sem&qsrc=999&askid=bc81a092-4232-478d-8c54-5676a4562fef-0-ab_msb
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Gunkie
climber
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My mom had very early onset of dementia. I am now 2 years older than she was when serious symptoms began. I keep asking myself 'is this the first symptom?' I registered with
https://www.endalznow.org/
If I have Alzheimer's I'd like to at least help with research in developing a cure.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, gunkie... thank you so kindly...
this friend, is about 82 or 84? so i hope there is a few more good
years, before 90, at least...
my twin buddies, however, have said that their mom had early-on-set, alzheimer's, though, as you have talked of... and i am going to call them
tonight as, they had shared a bit a long time back...
i need to a few more things...
and, i will ask my friend one other thing that i forgot about, too...
sadly, though, there is a family member, in that family, that is in a
care-home, due to that, or, something very similar... :(
thanks so much, again, for sharing...
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WBraun
climber
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So ....
Modern science creates and causes Alzheimer's from all their stoopid synthesized chemicals and drugs.
Then they stoopidly wonder wtf causes all their problems ....
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Caught a snippet of a story about Alzheimer's on NPR. If I remember, part of the Navajo worldview is that we are born and die as children.
Again, if I remember. When SARS broke out in the four corners area, the Navajo closed their borders and refused access to the CDC. Later, the Navajo produced an old blanket. It depicted an increase in the mouse population, as well as many sick people.
Don't know where this going, but simply, I admire those who care for their own, and others.
p.s. a vet recently told me that he took a medication for memory. he said that many memories came flooding back. he said that he stopped taking it. not my scope of practice, he is under good care.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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NPR has had several good stories on dementia. The one about music was very nice.
There was another which I don't have enough information to search, but it was just how one family dealt with it. The son-in-law is a comedian, and the way he dealt with his MIL's illness was to "take it seriously." That is - since much of what the woman was talking about was a bit nonsensical, he went with it, instead of trying to remind/explain/convince her she was not thinking right.
It seemed to reduce the MIL's frustration level, and during some of the exchanges you could see she was starting to see her SIL was pulling her leg, but she seemed to enjoy it.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Hey Locker,
When I come over and "do the sign" for your business?? Miss yer company Brother, was out there a couple weeks back with Bridwell.....we went on a wild goose chase....we got lost, in the desert looking for some of his OLD routes! Hung at Tuckers
Peace
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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HA! Locker I'd love to listen in on that one!! He and I reduce to shouting n name calling, break up for about 3 minutes, then we're back to loving.
Peace
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Modern science creates and causes Alzheimer's from all their stoopid synthesized chemicals and drugs.
Two thoughts here:
Did it happen by chance? If so, what is the chance modern science will equally randomly stumble on a cure?
If not by chance, well then we need to examine who is providing their funding. Libtards or Contards?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, locker... thank you for sharing how it goes, with family, well, x family...
you know:
as sad as it is, just that fact that SOMEONE cares to be there, and sift through and walk through it all , with these folks, does more
than we may realize...
it can give some joy...
my best friend in childhood, well, her dad got a type of dementia, and his
kids did NOT want to come around, but did on rare occasions, when the mom
urged them... of course, they 'meant nothing to him' then...
but, my friend, their sibling, went there very often, which was barely what she could handle, as, she lived many miles away and is partially disabled, to drive... well:
her dad's face lit up so happy each time she showed up... he did not really always know WHO she was, though, sadly, but, he sure knew that this was a friendly face and it meant a lot to him (he was in a care home, unable to walk, due to hip gone-wrong break) ...
his wife came everyday and seemed to remember that he wanted her there, and didn't want her to leave, but they are not really sure if he actually knew who she was... he just cried everytime she left... :(
but see, just that bit that my friend could do, though he did not know who she was, sure made him so happy...
my friend, well, the one that now learned of this
on-set, well, there are two sons, but neither one lives close, and
all i can do is pray that someone will BE there to help, or to give
some kind of anchor, IF it will even be possible for THAT...
i really hope, that the test was NOT a proper 'or whatever'
picture of what is wrong, with my friend... :(
oh my...
PS:
(has anyone seen any of the clips of glen cambell and his daughter, on the alzheimer's situation, for him? she has been doing a great job, and you can tell it just breaks her heart, but she is a real trouper, for him, and sometimes you can see the bits of joy in his face... NOT sure how many years ago, those were from???)
WELL, as i wondered, if anyone else gets and has any more info to share, i will pass whatever i can, on to my friend... or the family, if they want it... in the mean time, all i can do is hope, like so many others have...
for my friend and their family...
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say, zBrown... as to the chemicals, etc... or to anyone:
i wonder how many alzheimer type situations are, in the rest of the world, where folks have not had the same chemicals, additives, etc, or diet, or whatever?? how much is genetic in a family, or how much is 'whatever' ?
as compared to modern-world environment areas...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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My old man had dementia...I was sitting next to him one day and my younger brother walked in the door...My dad informed me that my brother was this nice guy that lived down the street and always came to visit...One day my dad got lost driving home...that was when mom took the keys away...ugg..
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, rottingjohnny...
my friend was concerned, now, as the family suggested DOING this, though
only 'the family' knows if this should be...
i talked to the friend on new years, and me, i noticed nothing wrong...
but, my friend did say this:
there was a feeling of not really feeling social any more, :(
(not a good sign, some articles have said)
though, talking was up to par, it seemed to me--by way of the phone...
and, the desire to drive to places that were favorite spots,
was there... so naturally, giving up car keys, was not going to happen...
i am really wondering WHAT the family noticed from this recent holiday
visit... i may not ever know, as, 'said friend' live OUT of state, :(
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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hey there say neebee...it probably happens gradually..I wonder if the demented one knows if it's happening...Reagan knew something was up..There must be a line that's crossed when the disease gets a grip...
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couchmaster
climber
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Hopefully they figure out a cure before all of us one-line writing ST members get hit by it.
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WBraun
climber
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There's an easy cure.
Stop making the cause.
But they've got their heads so far up their asses they believe their own self made delusion that they are advancing in medicine.
But they'll never do it.
Too much money to be made.
They'll synthesize natural everything to make a huge paywall to screw the world unknown even to these big pharma fools.
The whole thing is a racket and you've been unknowingly 0wned ....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Not everything is a corporate conspiracy. My Mum was doing pretty well until she got Shingles
when she was 87, two years ago. What had been mild dementia accelerated rapidly, which is
fairly typical.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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BTW, a lot of people don't know that there is an effective and safe Shingles vaccine.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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neebee:
The incidence of Alzheimer's is way lower in India.
Some folks believe that this is highly correlated with high levels of turmeric in the Indian diet.
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Werner is on to something here, I think:
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/alzheimers-dementia/by-country/
Look at a how the higher rates are clustered in what we call "Industrialized Western Nations" by and large, although not exclusively.
I think obesity and refined carbohydrates in the diet may also play a role. There is a lot of information on ways to counter this trend through dietary changes.
feralfae
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Is it written in my genes?
It appears so but since you exercise and drink beer you're going to fend
it off much better. Sadly, exercise seems more effective than beer. ;-)
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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^^^
I'm always leery of those kind of associations in Fae's post, because third-world diagnoses and health care is a different animal than first-world western. A plausible explanation is that it just isn't diagnosed there. If the person isn't physically disabled or having acute physical symptoms they are likely to not receive medical attention/diagnoses.
Add that the multi-generational household is much more common outside western/first-world and taking care of grandpa who's losing his faculties is just considered a normal deal.
Scares the sh#t out of me too. Have it bad on one side of the family, and I don't have kids. Makes me wonder what will happen if I have it, no kids to look after me, a grim prospect.
And to add to the "exercise/diet wards it off" idea - the worst case in my family was my maternal grandmother. She walked at least 5 miles/day everyday, from about 50yo to her last days in her mid/late 80s. Ate the healthiest diet of anyone in our family. Read complicated books and did various logic puzzle and games and whatnot, daily. And she was a full blown case in her last 8 years or so. Other side of my family doesn't show it at all, despite a horrendous diet, no particularly intellectual engagement, virtually no exercise. (but hey, they've got a lot of parkinsons, and diabetes, so I got that going for me!).
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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here ya go. there have been associations with air pollution exposure... so buy a house near the freeway or a power plant, open windows wide and breath deep as much as you can.
just one example of many
http://tpx.sagepub.com/content/32/6/650.short
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Elcap,
Yes your point has some validity, and as well, genetic associations have been made concerning Alzheimers. And yet, I have seen many cases of native peoples who were on many pharmaceuticals while under the care of various Indian Health programs, who have walked away or been rescued by their families, weaned off most or all of the medications, and have lost their "alzheimers disease" as their minds and bodies cleared. They also returned to much better health when all the side-effects of the pharma cleared.
So, a lower statistical incidence, even given cultural contrasts, may be linked to over-medication by corporate for-profit entities and their students who are trained in pharma-sponsored schools.
I don't think there is one way to look at this health problem: certainly it could be over-diagnosed in a pharma-laden patient, and under-diagnosed in a traditional culture where people are simply held dear and as part of the family as long as they wish to be here.
I, for one, am counting on my grandchildren and my Tribe to take care of me if I am confused and weak. We try to take care of each other, and avoid pharmaceuticals unless we have no other viable option. There is perhaps a place for corporate medicine and also a place for traditional medicine within a healing system.
Many studies have been done and much has been written on ways to lower the risk of Alzheimers:
"The findings were published online in The Lancet Neurology, a British medical journal.
For the study, the authors examined the medical literature and identified seven lifestyle factors that may influence the risk of developing Alzheimer’s. They looked at stopping smoking, increasing physical activity and mental stimulation, controlling blood pressure and diabetes, and managing obesity and depression. Reducing all seven of these risk factors could prevent as many as 3 million cases of Alzheimer’s worldwide, they estimated.
It is uncertain whether any of these lifestyle factors actually promote the development of Alzheimer’s. Advancing age and genetics remain the most important risk factors for the disease. But numerous population studies suggest that all may play a role in Alzheimer’s onset." https://www.alzinfo.org/articles/7-ways-reduce-alzheimers-risk/
(emphasis by me)
Thank you.
ferlafae
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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"Easy cure". Such stupidity.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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Dingus may agree that posting to political threads on Supertopo, particularly right wing rants, is a pretty east test for Alzheimer's or worse.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say... more stuff to think about, that i can share with my friend...
thank you... i think too, that i will call her tomorrow night...
lots of in depth stuff, too, from feralfae...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 26, 2016 - 08:51am PT
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^^^^^^ Well that would explain me Mum's sudden decline when she got Shingles.
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Karen
Trad climber
Prescott, AZ ~
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May 26, 2016 - 09:14am PT
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My Mother died and had an awful case of Alzheimer's. Since she had great physical DNA she lived far longer than she should have. It was literally years that she didn't know me and came to the point she didn't even know herself, lost her vision, couldn't walk nor talk. The only quality of life seemed to me was she enjoyed eating and would perk up a little when you would play church hymns.
Now my sister has been diagnosed and she is well aware of the horro our Mom went through. She said one day to me that if she wasn't a Chirstian she would commit suicide.
My uncle also had a severe case of Alzheimer's, I'm so afraid I'll end up with it.
I shudder at the thought of my kids having to deal with it.
Also we don't really know what actually goes on in there minds, do know however, it the earlier stages can present a lot of fear and of course confusion.
I recently worked with a woman suffering from Alzheimer's and her mind was stuck with the loss of her son. She repeatedly would cry and grieve over her loss, I would try to redirect her but she'd soon begin talking about him, returning to her grief.
I've read there is a correlation between the taking of benzo's, you know drugs like Klonotin, can't spell it. We'll see, I just hope we find a way to cure this scourge.
Edit: damn rereading the above made mistakes with my spelling and grammer, oh well.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 26, 2016 - 09:22am PT
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Me Mum is taking a drug, the name of which escapes me (LOL!), which helps about 25% of
patients. Hard to say if it is helping her but it has minimal side effects so it is worth taking.
I looked it up - donepizel. It does have side effects but she has not had any.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 19, 2017 - 12:15pm PT
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A Case of Rapidly Progressive Dementia--and the Surprisingly Easy Fix
Basically a 56 year old woman patient. Intern did a home visit after hospital admissions.
Checked out her prescription drugs - approx thirty. After review this number was reduced to three plus insulin.
Very rapid improvement in just three weeks. Mental score improved from 6 (max 30) to 17,
Home Visits: Patient and Physician Outcomes
The cost of this? The base Medicare reimbursement for her multiple hospital admissions was more than $30,000. The cost of the home visits, including billing for the visit, gas to and from, and a couple of lattes for my mentor and me: $127. Patient-centered care? Priceless.
One has to be a subscriber to read the article.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 19, 2017 - 12:34pm PT
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Using machine learning algorithms on MRIs researchers have obtained extremely successful results in identifying Alzheimers.
The idea was to teach the algorithm to correctly classify and discriminate between diseased and healthy brains
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In contrast, the new technique can distinguish with similar accuracy between brains that are normal and the brains of people with MCI who will go on to develop Alzheimer’s disease in about a decade – but using a simpler, cheaper and non-invasive technique. More work will be needed to distinguish between people with MCI whose brains go on to age normally, or who might develop other kinds of dementia.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2147472-ai-spots-alzheimers-brain-changes-years-before-symptoms-emerge/
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Sep 19, 2017 - 01:25pm PT
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hey there say, karen... oh my... :O all of what you shared,
is a heavy burden to have on your thoughts, these day...
my mom's neighbor is now in more see'able stages and they just
let her visit and help her feel good, the best they can...
her son is checking up on all this... her sister had it, so she
after taking a TEST that her son wanted her to take,
realized it was really happening, to her, too...
:(
also, my twin buddies, their MOM had it early, and lived a long time,
'being lost' to them... it was a hard long sad time of it...
i wish and pray the best for you and your family now,
as to all of this...
:(
*i do know that sometimes, clogged arteries give the same symtoms, but,
after getting checked, and learning what it is, that is resolved...
some folks, though, were not aware of that in the old days, before modern
tests, etc... but, they were sure, that that is what was wrong, as to the way it progressed... :(
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Sep 19, 2017 - 01:28pm PT
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hey there, say, zbrown...
as to this:
Sep 19, 2017 - 12:15pm PT
A Case of Rapidly Progressive Dementia--and the Surprisingly Easy Fix
yes, that can also, be an un-thought-of cause, as well, though,
not the other alzheimers, but-- the dementia, for sure...
good share...
also, eating only sweet breads and coffe, :O
which is what happened to my ex-husbands aunt and mom!
:(
they were in their late 80's, but,
that had mainly stopped eating, and no one could
change their ways, :(
the one aunt finally had a stroke, very sadly...
and the one son of my mother law, as i heard it,
DID try to take her in, and finally had her in a
help-home, and she lived to be about 100???
where they SOMEHOW did get her to eat better...
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